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Met debut/Met birth

Met Hunter Sep 09 2011 06:48 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 09 2011 08:28 AM

After yesterday's debut of Chris Schwinden and Val Pascucci, I figured the book was closed on this year's Met debuts and 50 seasons of Mets were complete. So for fun I decided to look up how many times a player made their Met debut that also became the date a future Met was born. I found 19 instances that this occured: July 6,1963 Jesse Gonder-Lance Johnson July 21,1965 Gary Kolb-Mike Bordick Jun 18,1966 Bob Friend-Sandy Alomar Jr May 12,1967 Ed Charles/Bob 'Rocky' Johnson-Kenny Greer April 8,1969 Rod Gaspar-Pete Walker September 7,1969 Jim Gosger-Darren Bragg September 15,1971 Buzz Capra/John Milner/Don Rose-Jason Hardtke April 15,1972 Rusty Staub/Jim Fregosi-Ricky Otero July 11,1972 Bill Sudakis-Mark Little April 8,1975 Gene Clines/Joe Torre/Dave Kingman/Del Unser-Timo Perez September 12,1975 Roy Staiger-Luis Castillo July 7,1977 Paul Siebert-Andy Green September 13,1977-Roy Lee Jackson-Grant Roberts September 29,1977 Doc Medich-Heath Bell May 20,1978 Dale Murray-Wilson Valdez September 5,1978 Gil Flores-Matt Watson April 20,1979 Frank Taveras-Shawn Green April 12,1980 Mark Bomback-Danny Garcia April 29,1981 Bob Bailor-Omir Santos So far, there are no instances that a Met made their debut or was born on the same date an exMet died. Nor the trifecta of a Met debut, future Met birth and an exMet death. The hat trick.

Ceetar Sep 09 2011 07:01 AM Re: Met debut/Met birth

Met Hunter wrote: So far, there are no instances that a Met made their debut or was born on the same date an exMet died. Nor the trifecta of a Met debut, future Met birth and an exMet death. The hat trick. interesting. I assume this trifeca will show up sooner or later now that the franchise itself is actually approaching age expectancy. the perfect story would be that the first Met to throw a no-hitter would be born on the day Nolan Ryan dies, but I hope we don't have to wait that long (for the no-hitter)

Met Hunter Sep 09 2011 07:09 AM Re: Met debut/Met birth

It should also be noted that the first instance this occured was the Charles/Johnson/Greer combo, when Greer made his obscure September callup appearance at the very end of '93.

TransMonk Sep 09 2011 07:24 AM Re: Met debut/Met birth

Also, happy birthday to Todd Zeile.

metirish Sep 09 2011 07:39 AM Re: Met debut/Met birth

Interesting work , now I know why you are so named Met Hunter.

Met Hunter Sep 09 2011 07:42 AM Re: Met debut/Met birth

UMBD makes these lists easy to compile.

MFS62 Sep 09 2011 07:45 AM Re: Met debut/Met birth

I knew Heath Bell and I shared a birthday. Hadn't known about Doc Medich. Thanks. Boy, there are a lot of short-Mets-careered players on that list I had liked but forgotten. (e.g. - Bill Sudakis, Roy Staiger and Buzz Capra) Later

metirish Sep 09 2011 07:46 AM Re: Met debut/Met birth

Met Hunter wrote: UMBD makes these lists easy to compile. Yes it does, aptly names all so. I am often surprised at the info that can be compiled from the UMDB.

metirish Sep 09 2011 07:50 AM Re: Met debut/Met birth

Baseball-Reference has Tejada born on October 27, 1989 http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ru01.shtml UMDB has it as September 1st 1989 http://ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=0878

Benjamin Grimm Sep 09 2011 07:51 AM Re: Met debut/Met birth

Thanks for the shout-out to the UMDB! I'm curious... which UMDB pages/features did you use to compile the list? I would have done it through SQL on the back end, but unless you hacked my database, you wouldn't have been able to do that. I'm not sure how I would have gone about it using the web pages.

Ceetar Sep 09 2011 07:52 AM Re: Met debut/Met birth

metirish wrote: Baseball-Reference has Tejada born on October 27, 1989 http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ru01.shtml UMDB has it as September 1st 1989 http://ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=0878 BR is correct. I'd like to hack your database. I always find myself wishing I'd set up some databases so I can run SQL queries against it for random crap. I even downloaded all the retrosheet.org files, but never took the next step.

metsmarathon Sep 09 2011 08:03 AM Re: Met debut/Met birth

i wish i knew how to run sql queries

Benjamin Grimm Sep 09 2011 08:13 AM Re: Met debut/Met birth

I've fixed Tejada's DOB in the UMDB. I suspect I got his data when he was a minor leaguer, perhaps from Baseball America's website. I probably should be better about double-checking the data of guys once they get promoted to the big leagues.

Ceetar Sep 09 2011 08:13 AM Re: Met debut/Met birth

[code:1dtodd16]Select * from nym.games where Vhits=0 0 rows returned. [/code:1dtodd16]

Met Hunter Sep 09 2011 08:27 AM Re: Met debut/Met birth

OK then. 19 instances. As we know dates of births can be subjective, Especially foreign born. Mr. Grimm, I just went through each season on your site starting in 1962. DOBs and debuts are listed back to back. Old school research for those not completely computer fluent.

seawolf17 Sep 09 2011 08:34 AM Re: Met debut/Met birth

MFS62 wrote: I knew Heath Bell and I shared a birthday. Hadn't known about Doc Medich. I've always been fascinated by people who share my birthday.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 09 2011 08:41 AM Re: Met debut/Met birth

Met Hunter wrote: OK then. 19 instances. As we know dates of births can be subjective, Especially foreign born. Mr. Grimm, I just went through each season on your site starting in 1962. DOBs and debuts are listed back to back. Old school research for those not completely computer fluent. Ah! Clever! I always enjoy seeing different ways that visitors use the site. Thanks!