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Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Centerfield Sep 12 2011 07:51 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Sep 12 2011 07:58 AM

You know how I feel about the city agency hats. But Torre's quotes warrant their own thread. "Certainly it's not a lack of respect." Yes it is. What else could it be? You're saying honoring these heroes is not as important as...as....what was it that was so important again? "We just felt all the major leagues are honoring the same way with the American flag on the uniform and the cap. This is a unanimity thing." Because unanimity is so important to MLB. That's why all MLB teams are limited to one official home jersey, and one official away jersey. That's why all MLB uniforms have the team name at home, and the city on the road. That's why there are no alternate jerseys, throwback uniforms, special "Los Mets" jerseys meant for use during a promotion. That's why all ballpark sizes are standardized and the DH is uniform throughout all of baseball. This unanimity is why when the terrorists truck on 9/11, they chose to hit all MLB cities in the same exact way. "They certainly understood and respected." No Joe, they did not understand. They did not respect. MLB did not understand that this meant more than baseball itself. "I certainly understood what they wanted to do in regards to wearing the hats. I used my history with the fact that we were in the World Series 10 years ago." What the fuck does the World Series have to do with this? It's not about being in the World Series. It's about having been in New York. It was about helping the injured, visiting the victims' families, it was about coping and paying tribute to people who could really be called heroes. It was about trying to help in any way you could and being incredibly frustrated, to the point of tears, that you couldn't do more. It has nothing to do with the World Fucking Series. Fuck you Joe Torre. Fuck you to fucking hell.

MFS62 Sep 12 2011 07:55 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

What he said. Later

metirish Sep 12 2011 08:00 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

You're a proper wanker Joe fucking Torre, a real bollox, fucking twat.

seawolf17 Sep 12 2011 08:05 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

See, this is why lawyers exist. I'm thinking like Irish here, but wish I could write like CF.

86-Dreamer Sep 12 2011 08:09 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Joe - I need someone to stand up and defend a ridiculous policy that I am sure you will agree is just plain stupid. What is your going rate?

batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2011 08:22 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

If it was the MFY's who had the history of wearing responder caps in tribute to 9/11, MLB would've ruled differently. Torre would've ruled differently. The MFY's are larger than the rules. The MFY's don't have to put NOB's on their road unis. The MFY's host an All-Star game in an even numbered NL year. Derek Jeter would've been permitted to wear a responder cap. Or three. Or a different one every inning. Derek Jeter located Osama bin Laden. Derek Jeter saved the world on 9/11.

G-Fafif Sep 12 2011 08:27 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

batmagadanleadoff wrote: If it was the MFY's who had the history of wearing responder caps in tribute to 9/11, MLB would've ruled differently. Torre would've ruled differently. The MFY's are larger than the rules. The MFY's don't have to put NOB's on their road unis. The MFY's host an All-Star game in an even numbered NL year. Derek Jeter would've been permitted to wear a responder cap. Or three. Or a different one every inning. Derek Jeter located Osama bin Laden. Derek Jeter saved the world on 9/11. He's got an edge, baby!

seawolf17 Sep 12 2011 08:32 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

batmagadanleadoff wrote: If it was the MFY's who had the history of wearing responder caps in tribute to 9/11, MLB would've ruled differently. Torre would've ruled differently. The MFY's are larger than the rules. The MFY's don't have to put NOB's on their road unis. The MFY's host an All-Star game in an even numbered NL year. Derek Jeter would've been permitted to wear a responder cap. Or three. Or a different one every inning. Derek Jeter located Osama bin Laden. Derek Jeter saved the world on 9/11. Absolutely.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 12 2011 08:33 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

And F Fred Wilpon for not volunteering to foot the bill.

bmfc1 Sep 12 2011 08:52 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

MLB was probably scrambling yesterday so they didn't seem as moronic as they do so some genius must have thought that a former Met would save the day. Idiots.

Centerfield Sep 12 2011 09:43 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: And F Fred Wilpon for not volunteering to foot the bill. Yup.

Frayed Knot Sep 12 2011 10:09 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

"They certainly understood and respected." -- But we decided to threaten huge fines if they didn't follow along just in case.

Edgy DC Sep 12 2011 10:11 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

batmagadanleadoff wrote: If it was the MFY's who had the history of wearing responder caps in tribute to 9/11, MLB would've ruled differently. Torre would've ruled differently. The MFY's are larger than the rules. The MFY's don't have to put NOB's on their road unis. The MFY's host an All-Star game in an even numbered NL year. Derek Jeter would've been permitted to wear a responder cap. Or three. Or a different one every inning. Derek Jeter located Osama bin Laden. Derek Jeter saved the world on 9/11. The Mets are larger than the rules, too. As is anybody larger than a rule founded on such a small idea. This version of the Mets just didn't have the chutzpah to realize it. There's the failure. It doesn't matter what Torre said, to me. He revealed himself to be the enemy but we knew that already. It's that the Mets, in the face of competition, backed the down. They lost yesterday's game the minute they took the field.

seawolf17 Sep 12 2011 10:12 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

I saw a tweet this morning about MLB possibly being in breach of contract with New Era if the Mets wore the caps. [u:3dgj4h7z]IF[/u:3dgj4h7z] that's the case, then I guess that makes sense, but it's not like this was a surprise anniversary. "Hey, New Era? Bud here. Can you guys slap together some First Responder caps for the 9/11 game in New York next month? Just like the old ones. Thanks. We'll toss you a few thousand bucks." Done. (Of course, they'd find a way to screw that up too.)

Elster88 Sep 12 2011 10:14 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 12 2011 10:18 AM

Not sure where CF's quotes come from. Rubin posted an article about half an hour before the first post in this thread, so that's probably it. [url]http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/6958670/new-york-mets-wear-nypd-fdny-hats-9-11-game. Thole was not aware of his predecessors' actions until Sunday afternoon. When he learned about the '01 Mets standing up to MLB, he discussed with deputy player rep Tim Byrdak whether to also violate the league stipulation. Current players had mixed opinions. And Thole said Mets brass instructed them not to violate the MLB policy. "Evidently it's going to come down on the club," Thole said before the Mets lost to the Cubs 10-6 in 11 innings. "I guess they cracked down on it pretty hard. So it's just something we can't do. As a group, we think it's right, and it's the least we can do. We're going to wear them for a ceremony we're having, and then we're going to have to switch hats for the game." Does anyone know what crackdown he is referring to? Mets pitcher R.A. Dickey, in a statement posted on his Twitter page, said he and his teammates had planned to wear the hats anyway, until their plans were foiled. "For all those upset that we didn't wear the hats, I understand your anger. However, they physically took them from us after the ceremony," read the entry on Dickey's page. "We had conspired to wear them but we got found out and MLB got involved."

Edgy DC Sep 12 2011 10:17 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Yeah, that could have been anticipated and negotiated. But even if it wasn't, if New Era wants to sue the Mets and MLB for breach of contract, and place themselves on the wrong side of history, as a member of the Mets or MLB's management, I would have told them to proceed as they saw fit.

Edgy DC Sep 12 2011 10:19 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Mets pitcher R.A. Dickey, in a statement posted on his Twitter page, said he and his teammates had planned to wear the hats anyway, until their plans were foiled. "For all those upset that we didn't wear the hats, I understand your anger. However, they physically took them from us after the ceremony," read the entry on Dickey's page. "We had conspired to wear them but we got found out and MLB got involved." Oh, fuck! Prior restraint? Really? Now I really do blame Torre and the Mets need to go to war with him.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 12 2011 10:20 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

They?

G-Fafif Sep 12 2011 10:26 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: They? Bud Selig's hired goons. They lend a personal touch to corporate thuggery.

Willets Point Sep 12 2011 10:30 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Joe Douchhe.

HahnSolo Sep 12 2011 10:35 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

But wasn't Wright wearing one in the dugout? I thought I read that in the IGT. Then Dickey's tweet would be inaccurate?

Edgy DC Sep 12 2011 10:44 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

HahnSolo wrote: But wasn't Wright wearing one in the dugout? I thought I read that in the IGT. Then Dickey's tweet would be inaccurate? I imagine Dudley Doo was given a waiver because he's the swellest guy in the world, and if they agreed to terms that stipulated that he wouldn't take the field in the lid, they knew they could trust him, specially since he was on his own. Makes me want to drink the liquid of feces.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 12 2011 10:47 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Really, who the F is "they"? I think maybe the ballplayers are in on this. It's not that MLB would take money if they wore the caps, but they probably paid them $$ not to.

G-Fafif Sep 12 2011 10:54 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Priorities at work, according to Buster Olney tweet: Said one team exec: "What happens if there's an earthquake, and many killed? And then a Katrina-like hurricane in an MLB city?" Unspeakable tragedy, I suppose. And then maybe some idiot team will want to wear some kind of non-regulation cap.

TransMonk Sep 12 2011 10:59 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

HahnSolo wrote: But wasn't Wright wearing one in the dugout? I thought I read that in the IGT. Then Dickey's tweet would be inaccurate? One of Dickey's Twitter followers posed this same question and Dickey responded that the cap was taken away from Wright in the 4th inning. John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I think maybe the ballplayers are in on this. It's not that MLB would take money if they wore the caps, but they probably paid them $$ not to. Whoa!

metsguyinmichigan Sep 12 2011 11:06 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

My guess is that there was a contract with New Era, and the company might put aside some of its usual business of producing fashion caps aimed at gang members to sue MLB if the Mets wore the caps. Torre can't say that, of course, so his spin sounds like he was making it up as he went along. You sign a contract, you have to live by it - unless New Era backs off. That's where I'd send the hate. And yes, the MFYs do act as if they are above the rules. Does adidas still make their ugly, ugly uniforms?

metirish Sep 12 2011 11:08 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Surely players shouldn't care about a contract between New ERA and MLB?, are the players bound to that contract as employees?, it can get confusing I think.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 12 2011 11:18 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

I'm sure MGiM is right (and I'm wrong), everyone is covering for a brand name with a contract, an ego, and a team of douche-bag lawyers.

G-Fafif Sep 12 2011 11:28 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 12 2011 11:39 AM

A couple of "The Mets wish to thank New Era for setting aside contractual obligations so our players, coaches and managers could wear the caps of the New York City service agencies we honor on this very special night" announcements, followed by some tasteful reminder that you can buy New Era caps some other time would have been a nice back-scratching way to gracefully satisfy any parties that were so craven as to demand satisfaction.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 12 2011 11:36 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Yeah, but we all know something as sensible as that is well beyond the Mets' abilities. They are stupid, clueless, cowards.

HahnSolo Sep 12 2011 12:01 PM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

why can't baseball just say it is because of a contractual obligation to New Era? If it is true, say it! Saying nothing makes them look worse, imo.

RealityChuck Sep 12 2011 12:08 PM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Because New Era probably never have backed up MLB on it. If they get blamed for this, it hurts sales. If it were up to New Era, they'd say, "Sure," and figure out how to sell NYPD caps with Mets logos.

metirish Sep 12 2011 05:18 PM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

"@AdamRubinESPN: By the way, David Wright said no one confiscated any of his Sunday hats, at least that he's aware." "@AdamRubinESPN: And my friends at MLB were adamant no one threatened heavy fines."

G-Fafif Sep 12 2011 05:22 PM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Adam Rubin has friends at MLB? Has he lobbied them for a hat-confiscating job? And while we're on the subject, "Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag" may be my favorite thread title ever.

Edgy DC Sep 12 2011 06:04 PM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

metirish wrote: "@AdamRubinESPN: By the way, David Wright said no one confiscated any of his Sunday hats, at least that he's aware." "@AdamRubinESPN: And my friends at MLB were adamant no one threatened heavy fines." Pressure sure seems to have been asserted somehow. Rubin's got to stop leaking this piece by piece and put together a full, in-depth story.

Ceetar Sep 12 2011 06:28 PM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Edgy DC wrote: "@AdamRubinESPN: By the way, David Wright said no one confiscated any of his Sunday hats, at least that he's aware." "@AdamRubinESPN: And my friends at MLB were adamant no one threatened heavy fines." Pressure sure seems to have been asserted somehow. Rubin's got to stop leaking this piece by piece and put together a full, in-depth story. Rubin's tweets today are pretty nasty allaround. I wish people would stop retweeting him so I don't have to read them.

metirish Sep 12 2011 07:11 PM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Ceetar wrote: "@AdamRubinESPN: By the way, David Wright said no one confiscated any of his Sunday hats, at least that he's aware." "@AdamRubinESPN: And my friends at MLB were adamant no one threatened heavy fines." Pressure sure seems to have been asserted somehow. Rubin's got to stop leaking this piece by piece and put together a full, in-depth story. Rubin's tweets today are pretty nasty allaround. I wish people would stop retweeting him so I don't have to read them. if I am retweeting them and it's bothering you by all means stop following me please.

seawolf17 Sep 12 2011 07:18 PM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

So now nobody took the fucking hats away? Someone, anyone, needs to stand in front of a microphone and say, "You know what? We totally fucked up the hat thing, and we're sorry."

Edgy DC Sep 12 2011 07:27 PM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Jay Horwitz on the DL has never been so apparent. I heard he was writing up some press releases in Binghamton, trying to get back in shape.

Ceetar Sep 12 2011 07:54 PM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

metirish wrote: metirish wrote: "@AdamRubinESPN: By the way, David Wright said no one confiscated any of his Sunday hats, at least that he's aware." "@AdamRubinESPN: And my friends at MLB were adamant no one threatened heavy fines." Pressure sure seems to have been asserted somehow. Rubin's got to stop leaking this piece by piece and put together a full, in-depth story. Rubin's tweets today are pretty nasty allaround. I wish people would stop retweeting him so I don't have to read them. if I am retweeting them and it's bothering you by all means stop following me please. it's not you. or at least, not regularly. It's one thing if you want to comment on something they say, but some people out there just retweet the beat guys blindly. It's not like they're secret accounts, if I wanted to hear what they had to say I'd already be following them. Although it does affirm my thoughts that I can get all the info that's important from Rubin without having to deal with as much of his negative spin.

Vic Sage Sep 12 2011 09:14 PM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

"Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag" - he should have that printed up as his business card. and it should definitely go on his HOF plaque, should he ever get one. he doesn't already have one, does he?

seawolf17 Sep 13 2011 05:40 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

I will forever think of him as "Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag" now.

metirish Sep 13 2011 07:20 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

seawolf17 wrote: I will forever think of him as "Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag" now. me too, it's an inspired thread title.

Centerfield Sep 13 2011 07:25 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Selig purportedly outraged that the Mets would throw MLB under the bus by divulging that the denial came from his office. Sources are a bit sketchy, and it's the Post, but it would not surprise me that Selig acted in a self-serving way without intending to be held accountable for it. Story here: http://newyorkpost.com/p/sports/mets/bu ... BVQwQr3G4M Some more good quotes from JTFS: "Nothing was ordered." Wait, what? What about unanimity? Are you saying MLB didn't actually deny the request? "I think they were sent a memo, but in no way was it heavy-handed." You think? Isn't that something you should, you know, know? "I don't think money was ever an issue or they were ever threatened with a heavy-fisted fine." Translation: "I don't really know if we gave an order. If we did, we certainly didn't intend to enforce it. I don't see how this is our fault." "If that's the case, I have no knowledge of it." Translation: "I'm not here to talk about the past."

Edgy DC Sep 13 2011 07:46 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

"If that's the case, I have no knowledge of it." Joe Torre for president. Really, if you came down on them, it doesn't matter that much how hard you brought it. You're on the wrong side of history.

Ceetar Sep 13 2011 07:54 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Those quotes make it seem like Joe has no idea what's going on, and was just thrown in there last minute to be the 'face' of it. The memo was supposedly sent out before the season, with some sort of followup more recently once they got wind of the Mets supposed plans. Of course, you'd think someone would've come up with this memo by now too.. These types of things are usually posted in the clubhouses all year I think, alongside the memo not to fraternize with opposing players.

Frayed Knot Sep 13 2011 08:02 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

"Nothing was ordered." Wait, what? What about unanimity? Are you saying MLB didn't actually deny the request? Major Strasser: "Mr Lazlo we should discuss your presence here in Casablanca in the office of the prefect of police, say tomorrow morning at 10 AM" Victor Lazlo: "Captain Renault, I am under your authority here in Casablanca, is it your order that I appear tomorrow?" Captain Renault: "Let's just say that it is my request, that's a much nicer way to put it" Look folks, as much fun as it is to lump this all on Torre I think it's pretty clear that he's being used here as the pr guy. Selig's office probably said to itself; "Hey, we really suck at pr, but we also got Torre here on the payroll and he's from New York and everyone there likes him, so if anyone can smooth this mess over it'll be old Joe". So then Joe gets told what to say and when the fan unexpectedly spits most of the shit back at him he's stumbling around like Ralph Kramden going; "hummina, hummina" because he was never in on the decision in the first place which involves whatever marketing deal they struck with the cap company and their third-world factory.

Centerfield Sep 13 2011 08:16 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

They're still his words. That makes him a shitbag. He doesn't need the job, he doesn't need the money. If he's being asked to endorse something his heart isn't into, he can always decline. I doubt if Selig came to him and asked him to endorse "separate but equal" locker rooms he'd be on board. Perhaps it's unfair, but I feel like Torre supports this decision. When he was asked why the Yankees didn't wear the hats after 9/11, he spouted something about the brand being too important, bla bla bla. I think he was always hoping it would go away. Now it's a bigger issue than ever.

seawolf17 Sep 13 2011 08:43 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Centerfield wrote: Now it's a bigger issue than ever. Maybe it's just among the message board/blogger/idiot radio caller community, I don't know. I mean I'm obviously angry about it, but I'm sure there are plenty of Mets fans who don't give a crap.

G-Fafif Sep 13 2011 08:50 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

seawolf17 wrote: Centerfield wrote: Now it's a bigger issue than ever. Maybe it's just among the message board/blogger/idiot radio caller community, I don't know. I mean I'm obviously angry about it, but I'm sure there are plenty of Mets fans who don't give a crap. Yeah, they're idiots -- but we're OK.

seawolf17 Sep 13 2011 08:51 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

G-Fafif wrote: seawolf17 wrote: Centerfield wrote: Now it's a bigger issue than ever. Maybe it's just among the message board/blogger/idiot radio caller community, I don't know. I mean I'm obviously angry about it, but I'm sure there are plenty of Mets fans who don't give a crap. Yeah, they're idiots -- but we're OK. Right. I put "idiot" in that spot for a reason; you and me, man, we're all good.

G-Fafif Sep 13 2011 08:52 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

seawolf17 wrote: seawolf17 wrote: Centerfield wrote: Now it's a bigger issue than ever. Maybe it's just among the message board/blogger/idiot radio caller community, I don't know. I mean I'm obviously angry about it, but I'm sure there are plenty of Mets fans who don't give a crap. Yeah, they're idiots -- but we're OK. Right. I put "idiot" in that spot for a reason; you and me, man, we're all good. Oh totally.

MFS62 Sep 13 2011 08:54 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Frayed Knot wrote: Look folks, as much fun as it is to lump this all on Torre I think it's pretty clear that he's being used here as the pr guy. Selig's office probably said to itself; "Hey, we really suck at pr, but we also got Torre here on the payroll and he's from New York and everyone there likes him, so if anyone can smooth this mess over it'll be old Joe". Probably went down that way. Its the kind of thinking that all New York baseball fans hold hands and sing Kumbaya. It is the same kind of thinking that gave us a Brooklyn rotunda in the Mets ballpark. But that doesn't mean that Torre didn't relish the chance to stick it to the Mets, who once fired him. Yankee pinstripes don't fade easily. He's still JT,FS in my book. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 13 2011 09:01 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

I think Torre is OK. He comes off as a bad guy here, but we know he's a politician and an ambassador, it;'s the kind of thing you'd expect to hear from any shill in his position. And he might not get it, but I do not believe he relishes sticking it to the Mets who gave him a start to a managing career that will get him into the HoF.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 13 2011 09:04 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

There was no way the Mets were gonna defy Selig and MLB. Only over Fred and Jeff's dead bodies. Or the dead bodies of Fred and Jeff's hat-taking-away goons. This way, the Wilpons continue to play nicey-nicey with Selig and in return, Selig might lend the team some more money.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 13 2011 09:06 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

G-Fafif wrote: Yeah, they're idiots -- but we're OK. Exactly.

G-Fafif Sep 13 2011 09:08 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I do not believe he relishes sticking it to the Mets who gave him a start to a managing career that will get him into the HoF. The Grant/DeRoulet Mets gave Joe his big break. The Wilpon/Doubleday Mets fired him. Not that it necessarily has anything to do with "uniformity," but I get the feeling he's never completely brushed that chip off his shoulder.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 13 2011 09:08 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Didn't the Braves, Cardinals, and Yankees also fire him? How many chips can he balance on his shoulder?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 13 2011 09:12 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

I just checked his 'MFY Years' book out of the library, I'll let you know in a few weeks.

G-Fafif Sep 13 2011 09:13 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Didn't the Braves, Cardinals, and Yankees also fire him? How many chips can he balance on his shoulder? Wasn't there a Pringles commercial that asked the same question? Somewhere early in Torre's MFY tenure, he said something to the effect of managing the Braves and Cardinals was special because he played for them, but playing and managing for the Mets didn't really mean much to him, despite being from New York. He established himself as an All-Star in Milwaukee/Atlanta, won an MVP in St. Louis and ringed himself with the MFYs. With the Mets he was over the hill and managed in the nether regions of the N.L. East. Doing some long-distance psychoanalyzing here, but I don't think Torre's particularly sentimentally attached to his Mets tenure.

G-Fafif Sep 13 2011 09:17 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I just checked his 'MFY Years' book out of the library, I'll let you know in a few weeks. Several years ago, when Torre was riding MFY-high, I wanted to purchase his 1967 Topps card as it was the first card I could ever recall having. I went to a card show and asked about it, yet felt compelled to tell the dealer (who couldn't have given a fig) that this wasn't about his current MFY-ness, yada, yada. And then I walked away, refusing to be thought of as somebody who would pay for a picture of the manager of the MFYs.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 13 2011 09:24 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

G-Fafif wrote: Doing some long-distance psychoanalyzing here, but I don't think Torre's particularly sentimentally attached to his Mets tenure. Prolly not but a leap then to suggest he relishes sticking it to them, which was the remark that started this tangent.

G-Fafif Sep 13 2011 10:02 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

With Torre, I always come back to one of those knowing asides Francesa shared some time ago. The subject (for probably the thousandth time) was whether Joe should just walk away from Steingrabber after losing some playoff series so he could preserve his dignity. Francesa said that would never happen: "Joe likes his money." Well, who doesn't, I thought, but it left me with the impression that rearose in the past 36 hours: Joe likes his money and will do the dirty work necessary to keep it coming. Maybe not a "stick it to the Mets" guy, but probably a "you want me to do what? Sure, whatever" operator.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 13 2011 10:21 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

metirish Sep 13 2011 10:22 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

LOL love it

G-Fafif Sep 13 2011 10:35 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'd have no compunction about walking up to any dealer at any card show and purchasing that.

Edgy DC Sep 13 2011 10:44 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Looking forward to seeing the 1973 card.

Centerfield Sep 13 2011 11:01 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Wow. I love this forum.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 13 2011 11:14 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Benjamin Grimm wrote: /Standing //Ovating

seawolf17 Sep 13 2011 11:16 AM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: /Standing //Ovating I read that as "ovulating" and spit water out my nose.

bmfc1 Sep 13 2011 12:05 PM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Way to go BG!

Frayed Knot Sep 13 2011 12:45 PM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

They're still his words. That makes him a shitbag. ... Perhaps it's unfair, but I feel like Torre supports this decision. When he was asked why the Yankees didn't wear the hats after 9/11, he spouted something about the brand being too important, bla bla bla. I think he was always hoping it would go away. I'm not suggesting you need to like what Torre said here. Sure the words came out of his mouth/pen (whether they were actually his or not) and he may very well support the whole idea. My only point is that we're in danger of shooting the messenger here on the basis of not liking from his previous job and anyone who thinks that this was all his decision or believes in the laughable idea that he's doing this strictly to screw the Mets due to some long-ago slight is missing the larger picture (and possibly a few nuts & bolts). Think of 'Deep Throat' in ATPM telling Woodward to "stop thinking that this is all the work of little Donald Fucking Segretti" (I seem to be in a classic movie quoting mood today). Torre is saying these things because he was assigned the job to do so just as he was doing ten years back when his MFY bosses decided that their precious 'brand' was too important to mar with the service hats. That doesn't make him right either time, but nor does it make him the originator of either policy. P.S. none of this keeps that card from being priceless either.

themetfairy Sep 13 2011 06:13 PM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Bravo!

Fman99 Sep 13 2011 07:34 PM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Old Dicknose never looked better.

Vic Sage Sep 14 2011 12:38 PM Re: Joe Torre, Fucking Shitbag

...That doesn't make him right either time, but nor does it make him the originator of either policy. nor does it make him any less of a fucking shitbag. I say we print up that card and start selling them online, to fill the CPF treasure chest... until we get the cease & desist order, at least.