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SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carolina

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 17 2011 08:43 PM
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"The Atlantic Coast Conference has received application letters from Pittsburgh and Syracuse to join the league, a move that would leave the Big East scrambling to replace two of its longest-tenured members".

Official: Pitt, Syracuse apply to ACC

A New York Times report surfaced late Friday that Syracuse and Pittsburgh were in talks with the ACC and then CBSSports.com reported early Saturday that the schools had sent letters of application to the league already.

Then came word that the departures were basically a done deal, which is how Louisville athletics director Tom Jurich characterized it to reporters there. Swarbrick said such a move was indeed a bit of a shock.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/co ... 8299.story

Big East Sadness: Dave Gavitt Dies As Syracuse & Pitt Look To ACC

Fman99
Sep 18 2011 06:36 AM
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Stupid.

Frayed Knot
Sep 18 2011 07:24 AM
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It was inevitable.
Not the moves of these specific teams necessarily, but the overall idea of these sports (because this is at least as much about football as it is about basketball) existing as professional leagues when it comes to everything but the players wasn't going to conflict with the fiction of them being a group of well-meaning amateurs that play for tradition and continuity and student/alumni satisfaction.

The trend seems to be moving toward four super-conferences of about 16 "schools" each that will house all the high-revenue teams for the purpose of keeping the money all to themselves by essentially running the NCAA - and that's assuming that they don't simply secede from that org altogether. With the survivors being pretty much set in the west (PAC-whatever), the south (SEC), and the mid-west (Big-1?), the ACC is showing by this moves (not the last I'm sure ... UConn?, Rutgers?) that it wants to complete the dance card by being the 800-lb gorilla in the east.

However things wind up, this certainly isn't a good sign for the future of the Big East, at least not as a major player on anyone's scene.

soupcan
Sep 18 2011 07:32 AM
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Stunned to say the least.

I hated Boston College for doing this when they did and now my school goes and defects.

I understand the why...I suppose. SU felt they had to be preemptive or they be left out in the cold once all this conference realignment really started moving. This way they were able to choose their destination rather then scramble for a league to play in when everything was said and done. They want Syracuse football to be a major player nationally and felt that competing in the ACC was one way to establish that.

As a football conference I've got to think the Big East is toast. Schools are going to start looking elsewhere quickly. WVU to the SEC? Cincinnati and Louisville to the Big 12? Notre Dame finally conference's up and joins the Big 10? Maybe the ACC isn't done and adds UConn and Rutgers?

It also really effects me personally in terms of seeing SU play in person. No MSG games against St. John's, no UConn games in Hartford, no Seton Hall games in Newark, no Providence games in Providence. All places I travelled to to see them play.

I am curious to see how the rest of this shakes out.

soupcan
Sep 18 2011 07:37 AM
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I think the Big East will come out of this a basketball conference made up of northern catholic schools. And when you look at the schools they already have, that wouldn't be such a bad lineup:

Georgetown
St.John's
Seton Hall
Villanova
Providence
DePaul
Notre Dame (if the Irish don't finally decide to join a conference)
Marquette (parochial school, right?)


Not bad at all.

HahnSolo
Sep 18 2011 09:26 AM
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I was expecting this eventually, but I thought those two were ticketed to the Big Ten.

Even with these additions, I still don't think ACC football is all that hot.

HahnSolo
Sep 18 2011 09:32 AM
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The question I have is how many mega-conferences there will be. Right now four appear secure, and the Big 12 and Big East look to be in trouble.

I would think 16-teams would be the limit for conferences, but who knows.

If I'm the ACC, I'd watch out...I think FSU and Clemson could both be candidates to jump to the SEC. And they would jump, if given the chance.

HahnSolo
Sep 18 2011 09:34 AM
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soupcan wrote:
I think the Big East will come out of this a basketball conference made up of northern catholic schools. And when you look at the schools they already have, that wouldn't be such a bad lineup:

Georgetown
St.John's
Seton Hall
Villanova
Providence
DePaul
Notre Dame (if the Irish don't finally decide to join a conference)
Marquette (parochial school, right?)


Not bad at all.


And they could conceivably bring in schools like Xavier and Dayton.

Ashie62
Sep 18 2011 11:04 AM
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Syracuse brings in the New York City market? huh?

Anybody in ACC land able to read a map?

MFS62
Sep 18 2011 11:56 AM
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Oh, good.
Now Boeheim can get any losses to Duke out of the way before the NCAA tournament.

Later

Frayed Knot
Sep 18 2011 01:25 PM
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Ashie62 wrote:
Syracuse brings in the New York City market? huh?

Anybody in ACC land able to read a map?


There are enough Syracuse alums in the NYC area to give them some presence there. NYC is never going to be a great TV college football market but even a small pct of a huge market is better than nothing as, prior to BC joining, that conference had nothing north of DC (U-Md).
ACC schools are probably also counting on getting a foot in the door at recruiting NY & NJ & Pennsylvania kids by selling the angle that their families can send their kids down south yet still be able to watch them on TV plus have them come 'home' once or twice a year.

Gwreck
Sep 18 2011 01:53 PM
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HahnSolo wrote:
I was expecting this eventually, but I thought those two were ticketed to the Big Ten.


The hot rumor these days is that the Big 10 will eventually pick up Texas and Notre Dame instead.

soupcan
Sep 19 2011 09:12 AM
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The hot rumor is Texas to the ACC...no wait - the Pac12...er 16.

Oklahoma and OSU to the SEC? Or was that the Pac Pickanumber?

UConn and Rutgers to the ACC...or the Big 10/12/14.

Lousiville and Cincy try to save the Big 12/10/14 and go there?

It's maddening exciting and sad. I'm just glad that my school was pre-emptive and they landed in what appears to be - at this point anyway - a secure conference. With the Big East either folding or becoming the Big 12 East, I'd much rather play the likes of Duke, UNC, BC, Miami, Pitt, etc. then Baylor, Rice, Cincinnati or Kansas State on a regular basis.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 19 2011 09:20 AM
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The SU brand's gonna take a hit, though. Historically, SU was a Big East top dog. Status-wise, SU'll never usurp NC and Duke in the ACC.

soupcan
Sep 19 2011 09:33 AM
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In the south I think you're right but if the ACC does add UConn and Rutgers the word is that they'll split up into two divisions - ACC North and South with Syracuse, Pitt, BC, UConn Rutgers and maybe Maryland and whoever in the northern division. SU wouldn't have to necessarily complete with Duke and UNC for status within the entire conference, just among it's northern partners, most of whom will be newcomers as well.

It's not ideal and the days of being the 'Beast of The Big East' are over, but it should be fine.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 19 2011 09:52 AM
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I wonder if this move will affect the kinds of player Boeheim will recruit in the future? Though SU has both the muscle and presence to recruit the super-elite players that are likely to be one-and dones, Boeheim has always stayed away from those types on philosophical grounds. (The recruitment of Pearl Washington, Billy Owens, and the almost-signing of Marcus Liberty occurred prior to the era of one-and dones. Wes Johnson and Carmelo Anthony were not perceived as one-and-dones when they stepped onto the SU campus: they enjoyed significant growth spurts). Boeheim might change in order to compete with Duke and NC, who make no bones about recruiting one-and-dones.

Of course, Boeheim is, likely, on his last years, in any event.

soupcan
Sep 19 2011 09:54 AM
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If SU is not playing hoops in the ACC by the '12-'13 season then I predict that Boeheim will not coach a game in the ACC.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 19 2011 09:54 AM
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soupcan wrote:
If SU is not playing hoops in the ACC by the '12-'13 season then I predict that Boeheim will not coach a game in the ACC.


See my edit (last line, above).

soupcan
Sep 19 2011 10:04 AM
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Yeah - and don't forget, Boeheim practically invented recruiting in the D.C. area.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 19 2011 10:21 AM
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soupcan wrote:
Yeah - and don't forget, Boeheim practically invented recruiting in the D.C. area.


Publicly, Boeheim was so opposed and outspoken against breaking up the Big East. I wonder what he thinks now. And if he's still against SU's ACC transfer, would he openly criticize it?

Frayed Knot
Sep 19 2011 10:23 AM
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soupcan wrote:
In the south I think you're right but if the ACC does add UConn and Rutgers the word is that they'll split up into two divisions


Yes, that's the whole idea. I know this crowd is most concerned about basketball but this is all being driven by football because that's where the money is. Yeah the year-end hoops tourney generates a fortune but that's essentially unchanged by all this upheaval so basketball considerations are a mere footnote here.

What these mega-conferences want is two seven/eight-team divisions so they can have an in-conference end-of-season playoff for the money it'll generate (some already do) and then be assured that their winners get automatic (and exclusive) invites to whatever national championship concoction is created after these behemoths tell the NCAA to either get in line behind their plan or go fuck-off. The idea of a real national title in college football is going to have the networks pitch-forking money off the back of a truck at these schools and the ability of the big boys to control the process is going to allow them to keep the lesser conferences away while they scoop up all that cash with a pay-loader.

soupcan
Sep 19 2011 10:43 AM
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Yeah - and don't forget, Boeheim practically invented recruiting in the D.C. area.


Publicly, Boeheim was so opposed and outspoken against breaking up the Big East. I wonder what he thinks now. And if he's still against SU's ACC transfer, would he openly criticize it?


Boeheim on the move:

“I spent 30 years in the Big East, so this will be hard for me. This has been hard for me, but the school has to do what’s best for the school. This is a hard pill for me because this is what I know. Dave Gavitt [the Big East's founder, who died Friday night at age 73] made us all. Without him, there would be no Hall of Fame for me, no national championship for Jim Boeheim. There’s a lot of history.’’

“We’ve played St. John’s for 100 years, and we played them when I was in school. We would want to play St. John’s definitely without question. Yes, we’d play Georgetown. No question we’d be open to playing those two schools for sure.’’

“There was uncertainty with the Big East with TCU coming in and rumors of adding Kansas or Kansas State or whatever. They could be losing West Virginia or somebody else. We needed to be in a stable league, and we had to be in a stable situation. We’re going to a very, very good basketball league, one that arguably has the best track record over the last 30 years.’’

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 20 2011 09:59 AM
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I get that football's driving these consolidations, but that can't be what supposedly made Syracuse desirable to the ACC. Overall history notwithstanding, for the past 15 years, SU football has been mostly irrelevant and in laughing stock territory. UConn football? I didn't even know they had a team. Rutgers? Who cares? Basketball, or penetrating the NY/Metropolitan Tristate Area market must matter. Because if it didn't, it would seem to me that West Virginia (top 20ish in Football, top 40 in hoops) would be the Big East team that the ACC would want to poach the most. Did I say "team"? I meant univer$ity. Or did I?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 20 2011 01:18 PM
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Here's one for the Fman, who I know is local and catches at least a few games at the Carrier Dome every year:

Did you know that the ACC is a "dry league", and that no alcoholic beverages are sold at its games?

HahnSolo
Sep 20 2011 01:25 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Here's one for the Fman, who I know is local and catches at least a few games at the Carrier Dome every year:

Did you know that the ACC is a "dry league", and that no alcoholic beverages are sold at its games?


I thought all on-campus games, no matter the conference, were dry?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 20 2011 01:38 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Here's one for the Fman, who I know is local and catches at least a few games at the Carrier Dome every year:

Did you know that the ACC is a "dry league", and that no alcoholic beverages are sold at its games?


I thought all on-campus games, no matter the conference, were dry?



I read this chat and assumed that the Big East, or at least the Carrier Dome, wasn't dry.

reeks:
I understand that the ACC is a dry conference. I also understand that the ACC forced FSU to stop selling beer at basketball games. Could this be the end of beer sales in the dome?



Mike Waters:
I'm not sure, but I've asked SU officials about this.
But if all those Clemson and Carolina and Maryland fans have found a way to enjoy sports without the pleasure of a watered-down beer, then I'm sure SU fans can do it, too.

HahnSolo
Sep 20 2011 02:19 PM
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It may just be an ACC thing, somewhere in my head I thought there was no-beer-on-campus rule.

soupcan
Sep 20 2011 02:23 PM
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Last time I saw a game in the Dome (January '10) there was plenty o' beer being sold.

If they discontinue beer sales in the Dome then I say good for them.

soupcan
Sep 21 2011 08:25 AM
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Jim Boeheim blames Syracuse's departure from Big East on Notre Dame and conference leadership
Tuesday, September 20, 2011

By Mike Waters / The Post-Standard


Syracuse University basketball coach Jim Boeheim doesn’t usually mince his words.

On Tuesday, the Hall of Fame coach talked about Syracuse’s impending departure from the Big East. He pointed a finger at Notre Dame’s president, who despite the fact that Notre Dame has its own television contract and isn’t a member of the Big East’s football conference, advocated walking away from a $1 billion deal with ESPN earlier this week.

Boeheim said he had no plans for retirement and would definitely be around long enough to guide his alma mater into the Atlantic Coast Conference.

And in his most pointed words, Boeheim chastised Big East commissioner
John Marinatto, who told the New York Times that the Big East would force Syracuse and Pittsburgh to remain in the league for 27 months, according to the league’s by-laws.

“I think that speaks to the problem in our league,’’ Boeheim said. “That’s foolish. He should be thinking about how he can save the Big East, not keep Syracuse and Pitt hostage. The best way to save the Big East is to get out and get a couple teams to come in. Because we’re gone. He needs to concentrate on getting somebody to replace us.’’

Boeheim continued to question Marinatto’s leadership. Marinatto took over as Big East commissioner in when Mike Tranghese retired in 2009.

“That’s the problem with the Big East right now,’’ Boeheim said. “Dave Gavitt and Mike Tranghese are not running the Big East right now. That comment. He should be working on strengthening the Big East. What if two or three other teams leave this week? Then what is he going to do? I think if that happens he should either get the non-football schools in a league or else he’s got to get five or six football schools in a hurry.

“It would be silly to play another year in the Big East.’’


What are you looking forward to with the move to the ACC?

“It’s a great challenge. To quote me accurately, which nobody has seemed to want to do. I’m obviously disappointed that the Big East broke up. But it’s not the Big East it used to be either. It’s 17 going to 20 teams. I never said I’m unhappy about going to the ACC. There was a headline or something. I never said I’m unhappy about going to the ACC. I’m unhappy the Big East broke up. That’s a completely different thing than saying I’m unhappy about going to the ACC. I think it’s a great league. I think we can benefit from being in the ACC. It’s a great basketball league. If anything, it helps our recruiting. With the state the Big East has been in and the fact that certain schools and Notre Dame’s one of them that voted down the football contract, we’d probably be in the Big East right now if it wasn’t for that. But now they’re crying about us leaving. They shouldn’t have even voted on the football contract because they’re not even in it.’’

To clarify, you’re talking about Notre Dame’s Father Jenkins being on the committee.

“Yeah. I don’t know why that is. Why would he have a say on the football contract when they don’t participate in it? If they really wanted to keep the Big East together they would have come in in football, then we wouldn’t be talking about this.


What can fans look forward to with the ACC?

“The thing that’s important and I read all the articles and I can’t believe nobody wrote that this was a good move in your paper. All the letters were negative. And what they’re saying is ‘Are we going to see great basketball teams’ games?’ What difference does it matter what the uniform says? If we play eight, 10, 12 great home games, what difference does it matter? If it’s great basketball, we’re playing great games. What matters if it’s Providence or it’s Wake Forest? Or Georgetown or Duke? As long as they’re going to see great basketball.
“We’re not going to a bad league. It has the best record over the last 30 years of any league in the country. Period. Now right now, I think the Big East is a little better. But over 30 years? They’ve got the most championships, the most Final Four appearances, etc., etc. So we’re going to a great league and it’s going to be great basketball. Period. It’s obviously a very stable league.’’

Have you talked with Mike Krzyzewski or any other ACC coaches about the move?

“I’ve talked to him. He thinks it’s a great move. It’s going to be a great basketball league and that’s all we care about. We want to be in a great league. I think we will be.’’

You’re not going to be Man of the Year in Greensboro.

“Greensboro’s mad at me because I said I’d rather go to New York City for a week. Why would they be mad at me? Are they that parocial. I didn’t say Greensboro wasn’t a nice place. It’s a very nice place. But if I had a choice for a week where I would go and ask somebody in North Carolina where they rather go for a week – Greensboro or New York City? I’ve got nothing against Greensboro as a city.’’

Can we hold the tournament at the Outer Banks?

“As far as me? I don’t even care where the tournament is because I’m coaching my team. It could be on the moon. I don’t go out in New York City. I go to the games and coach the team. That’s all I do. I’m talking about for a fan experience. It’d be nice. I don’t care where they play the tournament. Play in Greensboro every year.’’

You mentioned recruiting and that it might actually help.

“That’s where we recruit. Kids are interested in us and the ACC. Every kid we recruit is interested in us and the ACC. Period. Kids that we’re recruiting like us and the ACC. There aren’t many kids that don’t like to play against Duke and North Carolina and those people.’’

Does this move impact in any way your thoughts on continuing coaching or retiring?

“No way. It has not one-tenth of 1,000th of a percent on my interest in coaching.’’

Does it impact perhaps in that you want to stick around long enough to see the program through the transition?

“I would never even consider; if I was considering leaving right now, to leave right now. No.’’

I’m sure by now you’ve heard some of Mike Tranghese’s comments in the last day or so.

“I’ve heard a little bit and I know he’s upset that this broke up, but I haven’t heard them all. I think he said it’s about football and money, which it is. I don’t think there’s any question about that. That’s what it’s about. Everybody knows that.’’

It seemed like he took it a little further at times, talking about greed and hypocrisy.

“The Big East added teams, raided other conferences, when he was the commissioner. I have great respect for him, but we raided Conference-USA to get teams when we needed to. This has been going on for 100 years. We raided the Atlantic 10 to get West Virginia and Villanova, right? I don’t see that the Big East can sit back and say we’ve never done anything like this. So, I think that’s a little bit.
“I think Jake Crouthamel’s right. If the TV contract had been passed, had been signed, I don’t think we’d be in this position today.
“But the league is not the league it used to be. It’s 17 teams, 20 teams, who knows? We’re not leaving what we loved. It’s different. Completely. If they had added Kansas and Kansas State, it would be more travel by far than the ACC. Right now, we have a lot of travel.’’

Where do you see the rest of the Big East going?

“I have no idea. I think in the next few weeks, there’s either going to be a lot more changes or a little bit or maybe not. Who knows? I don’t know. I don’t think anybody knows.’’

I saw the comments you made that if somebody had asked you about this last Thursday night you would have said they were crazy.

“I really hadn’t thought about it. We talked a little bit about moving to the ACC. My comment was ‘If you have to leave, to go, it’s better there than the Big 10. The Big 10 doesn’t suit us recruit-wise for basketball. We’re very compatible recruiting (with ACC). I’m just talking recruiting now. It’s a great conference with great schools. But that’s not where we normally recruit. We recruit on the East Coast. Washington up to New England. That’s where we recruit.’’

soupcan
Sep 22 2011 09:09 AM
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HahnSolo wrote:
It may just be an ACC thing, somewhere in my head I thought there was no-beer-on-campus rule.


Beer sales at Carrier Dome appear safe as ACC leaves decision to the schools

Fman99
Sep 22 2011 10:46 AM
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Dodged a bullet there.

We deserve a beer at these games, we're freezing our asses off all winter. Throw me a frickin bone here.

soupcan
Oct 07 2011 08:31 AM
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The Big East is dying a slow, torturous death.





October 6, 2011

Loss of T.C.U. Imperils Big East’s Football Future

By PETE THAMEL

As the uncertainty of realignment continues to overshadow the college football season, Texas Christian delivered a crushing blow to the Big East Conference when news of its imminent departure to the Big 12 emerged Thursday.

Fitting for these chaotic times, T.C.U., which would have entered the Big East for the 2012 football season, left the conference before ever playing a game.

T.C.U.’s decision does not mean the death of Big East football, but there are a lot of possibilities that make its survival tenuous. The Big East is down to six football programs — Connecticut, Rutgers, Cincinnati, South Florida, Louisville and West Virginia. Louisville has recently served as the anchor in trying to keep the league together, while Rutgers and especially Connecticut flirted with other leagues. But even the outlook at Louisville is bleak.

“It’s one of the most disappointing things I’ve seen in 35 years in the game to see this thing break up like this,” Rick Pitino, the Louisville basketball coach, said. “We’ve stayed loyal to it all along. We’ve stayed loyal, and by staying loyal we’re not sure what’s going to happen to us.”

Pitino can wax nostalgic about the Big East basketball tournament, which has emerged as the nation’s best conference event, but that does not seem to matter in a market driven by football.

“We should all celebrate this last year,” Pitino said. “It could be the last year we have a chance to play and go through the Big East tournament.”

After adding T.C.U., the Big 12 will focus on keeping Missouri. The Big Ten, where Missouri wants to go, is not interested in the Tigers.

The Southeastern Conference does not like to appear as a second choice, but it may take Missouri to fix the scheduling problems inherent to having 13 teams. Although there have been conflicting reports on the SEC’s interest in the Tigers, it is unlikely that a flirtation would have reached this point if the SEC commissioner, Mike Slive, did not have the votes to get Missouri in.

Give the Big 12 credit for shedding two decades of dysfunction to try to keep the Tigers. In a 24-hour blur, it added T.C.U., agreed to a six-year minimum grant of television rights and found a truce over broadcasts on the Longhorn Network. Funny what desperation can do.

Will the agreements be enough to keep Missouri? We should know in the next 10 days. The decision appears to be in the unpredictable hands of Missouri’s board of curators.

Once Missouri decides whether to stay or go, the Big 12 has to figure out how much it wants to expand. If the Tigers stay, the league could remain at 10 teams. But that would probably be a point where it would explore potential revenue options.

Opinions are split in the Big 12 about whether Louisville or West Virginia would be a better fit for No. 10 if Missouri leaves. For now, give a slight edge to West Virginia because it is a better television draw.

How does T.C.U.’s decision affect Notre Dame? Sometimes amid the realignment frenzy, it is easy to focus on the chum instead of the fish. Notre Dame is one of the biggest fish in college sports, and a destabilized Big East may force its future toward a conference in football. The eyes of administrators around the country are on the Irish athletic director, Jack Swarbrick.

“Everyone is waiting for Jack to figure out what he’s going to do,” the Colonial Athletic Association commissioner, Tom Yeager, said.

The Irish will not be keen on staying in the Big East if the conference’s football side dissolves. Notre Dame has not entered discussions with the Atlantic Coast Conference or the Big Ten. But as the future of Big East football dims, the possibility of those conferences as landing places increases considerably.

The best possibility for Notre Dame is finding a partial landing spot in the A.C.C. That could mean Notre Dame’s basketball and non-revenue sports teams would become full-fledged A.C.C. members. In football, Notre Dame could set up a scheduling agreement with the A.C.C. in which it would play a certain number of the conference teams each season yet keep its football independence. Television executives believe that each Notre Dame game could be worth about $3 million for the league.

If Notre Dame did this, UConn, not Rutgers, would round out the A.C.C. as the 16th member.

It is likely the Irish would enter a creative scheduling agreement before entering a conference as a full member. (The Big 12 has also been amenable to such a deal, but the A.C.C. would probably be Notre Dame’s preference.)

Jim Delany, the Big Ten commissioner, has been adamant about not expanding, but it is no secret that he has always had eyes for the Irish. He would not, however, agree to a partial deal for Notre Dame football.

Will the Big East’s basketball members break from the football ones? Not yet, but this is certainly more realistic than it was 48 hours ago. The Big East still has two precious commodities: its Bowl Championship Series bid and its basketball tournament.

The Big East cannot survive many more football defections, although all it can really do is wait until the vultures pick it clean and attempt to regroup. The same names will surface — Air Force, Navy, Central Florida, Temple and East Carolina — to join the conference.

The T.C.U. decision also underscores how unstable the Big East is for attracting future members.

As for the basketball colleges, they have pledged loyalty to their football brethren. But talk has been cheap in recent weeks. Look for Xavier, Butler, Dayton and Richmond to emerge as possible basketball additions if the Big East goes back to its basketball roots.

Methead
Oct 08 2011 07:13 PM
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Watching Cuse / Tulane on SNY right now and it looks like there are less than 1000 people in the Superdome.

Methead
Oct 12 2011 11:51 AM
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Cool article about Billy Edelin and what he's been up to for the past few years.

[url]http://www.searchingforbillyedelin.com/2011/10/10/2463060/finding-billy-edelin

soupcan
Oct 18 2011 08:11 AM
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Nice pre-season write-up:



Second time around: Coming off freshman campaigns, SU's sophomores bring experience to roster

By Zach Brown
Staff Writer
Published: Monday, October 17, 2011
Updated: Monday, October 17, 2011 22:10



Baye Moussa Keita (left) and Fab
Melo (right)


Scoop Jardine can understand the expectations placed on the Syracuse basketball team heading into the new season. He gets why the experts are so high on the Orange in spite of a disappointing second-round NCAA Tournament exit last year.

And while the fifth-year senior and his fellow upperclassmen, Kris Joseph and Brandon Triche, are major factors in the preseason hype, Jardine pointed out a different group that could be the key for SU this season.

"We've only lost one guy," Jardine said at SU men's basketball media day Oct. 14. "That's why a lot of people are saying we're Final Four caliber. We've got everybody back. We've got our freshmen, now sophomores, knowing what it takes to win in the Big East and knowing what it takes to finish games. It's going to be huge for those guys."

The one player SU lost was senior big man Rick Jackson, who averaged a double-double and was arguably the best inside presence in the Big East. And the sophomore class features four players who shined at times last year, but served more as role players during their freshman seasons.

Entering the 2011-12 season, though, Syracuse will look to rely heavily on sophomore centers Fab Melo and Baye Moussa Keita to fill the void created by Jackson's graduation. Their classmates, forward C.J. Fair and guard Dion Waiters, will also look to build on solid freshman seasons and increase their roles with a year under their belts.

"I think the key with these four guys is they all got to play last year," head coach Jim Boeheim said Oct. 14. "They all contributed. Obviously, Ricky Jackson is the biggest hole we have to replace, and that's where the two big guys come in. They have to step up and do what Ricky did for us last year. C.J. and Dion played well last year, and you'd expect them to build on that."

After entering Syracuse as one of the top centers in his class and being named the Preseason Big East Rookie of the Year, Melo failed to meet expectations in his first season. He started 24 games but only scored 2.3 points and pulled in 1.9 rebounds per contest.

Keita, on the other hand, largely surpassed expectations in his freshman season, even without major contributions on the offensive end of the floor. He averaged more minutes per game than Melo, grabbed 3.7 rebounds per game and finished second on the team with 43 blocks.

The job of replacing Jackson appears likely to fall directly on the shoulders of the two sophomore centers. Rakeem Christmas, a 6-foot-9 freshman, could provide some help on the inside, but Boeheim expects his two sophomores to carry the load.

Especially considering Jackson played a lot of minutes at center last year, with Melo and Keita adjusting to play at the collegiate level.

"In my experience, centers from freshman to sophomore years take big jumps," Boeheim said. "I think our centers will take big jumps this year and be much more effective. I think last year was a good learning experience, the fact that they got to play so much as freshmen."

For the Orange, the biggest question could be whether one of those two centers develops into a low-post scoring option. Jackson was a go-to scorer down low and ranked second on the team with 13.1 points per contest. He showed a knack for being able to create his own shot with moves on the inside.

Neither Keita nor Melo showed much of an offensive skill set in the post last season. With Jardine, Joseph and Triche running the perimeter offense for Syracuse, adding a scoring option on the blocks would add another dimension for the Orange.

"I've been working on my offense and my defense," Keita said. "Everybody thinks I'm a defensive player. Yeah, I love playing defense but offense, too. Whatever coach (Boeheim) needs me to do, I will do it."

As for Fair and Waiters, their roles are expected to increase since their freshman year. Both served as a spark off the bench last year, with Fair primarily bringing a defensive presence and Waiters showing the ability to score the ball.

Fair ranked third on the team with 3.8 rebounds per game, and he averaged the most playing time aside from the Orange's top four options of Triche, Jardine, Joseph and Jackson. Fair also had a huge game with 16 points and nine rebounds against Pittsburgh, and he scored 17 points and grabbed eight rebounds in a standout performance against Rutgers.

Waiters, on the other hand, scored double figures in seven different games off the bench, including a career-best 18 points in SU's NCAA Tournament loss to Marquette. His ability to slash to the basket added an element that complemented the outside shooting of Triche and Jardine.

In all, the four sophomores must provide reliable backup to the three-headed attack of Joseph, Jardine and Triche that will lead Syracuse this season. With their support, the team could be "Final Four caliber," as Jardine said. But without them, another short postseason run is certainly possible.

But they seem confident and ready for the challenge in 2011-12. And Waiters' attitude entering this season summed up the expectations for himself and the rest of his classmates.

"I got a year under my belt," Waiters said. "I matured more. I still have maturing to do, but at the end of the day, I just feel like I could have gotten out there and done more. I feel like my opportunities were shorter than what I expected, but this year, it's a different me, it's a different team. And we're just trying to do it."



I think the author's got it right. Much (if not all) will depend on Keita, Melo and Christmas and their ability to score in the low post. There are lots of big men in the Big East and if SU becomes too reliant on perimeter scoring it's gonna be a tough season.

That being said, I think these guys are going to give us a lot of thrills this season.

Centerfield
Oct 18 2011 08:28 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

They have so many guys from 1-3. Triche, Jardine, Waiters, Carter-Williams and Cooney could all see playing time this year. Joseph, Fair, Southerland and Mookie Jones are available at the 3. The problem is I don't know if there is a real star in that group. Waiters looked great at times last year, and Carter-Williams is supposed to be great, but who knows. The 4-5 will be the big question mark. I hope that Melo improves, but he didn't look like he had any chance last year. Christmas is highly regarded but has been described as "raw".

I think it will be a fun season, but I'd have to see a lot of improvement before we start talking about Final Four caliber.

Methead
Oct 18 2011 07:08 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

I don't think they need a star if they can win with depth. On paper, it looks like SU will be constantly sending waves of people at their opponents and I can certainly dig that.

I'm with you guys, it seems as though the team's success is going to hinge on the play of the big men, much like it has in recent years. Word is, Melo lost some weight over the summer, gained some valuable experience, and is a lot more active in the middle of the zone. We'll see.

If Waiters has his head on straight, it would be a big help as well.

soupcan
Oct 20 2011 12:07 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 20 2011 01:04 PM

AP Pre-season Top 25

1. North Carolina (30)
2. Kentucky (1)
3. Ohio State
4. Connecticut
5. Syracuse
6. Duke
7. Vanderbilt
8. Louisville
9. Memphis
10. Florida
11. Pittsburgh
12. Baylor
13. Kansas
14. Wisconsin
15. Xavier
16. Arizona
17. Alabama
18. Michigan
19. Texas A&M
20. UCLA
21. Marquette
22. Cincinnati
23. Gonzaga
24. California
25. Missouri



AND....

Geno Auriemma goes off on Notre Dame...



Angry Geno Auriemma Calls Out Notre Dame Football Program

By JEFF JACOBS
jjacobs@courant.com

11:30 AM EDT, October 20, 2011


NEW YORK -- Notre Dame is picked to win the Big East women's basketball title this season. And Geno Auriemma, said, good, the Irish belong at the top.

Then UConn's Hall of Fame coach blew the doors open on Big East Media Day, leaning hard into Notre Dame for not belonging to the Big East in all sports. Namely football.

"The only thing you're sure of is they don't play in our league and never want to play in our league," Auriemma said Thursday. "For a lot of us, it's a huge problem.

"They've been in our league something like [17] years. How long are we going to date before we just decide this ain't working? I'm not happy about it. That's not the opinion of UConn, the Big East Conference, my president, my AD. That's just Geno Auriemma's opinion. I'm pissed about it."

Asked if his ire is based on the opinion that if Notre Dame football joined the Big East, the entire conference would be stabilized, Auriemma said yes.

"If Notre Dame had come in as a football and basketball school, all in, we wouldn't have a problem," the seven-time national champion coach said. "Miami wouldn't have left. Virginia Tech wouldn't have left. Boston College wouldn't have left. We probably wouldn't have any of these issues, would we?

"We have one school that holds the future of our league in the palm of their hand and they're not really that concerned about it. That's my opinion now. You asked me a question. I'm telling you an answer."

Saying he didn't blame Notre Dame for looking out for its best interest, he added, "Join us in football and then look out for your best interest.

"If you know you as a school have the ability to put a whole bunch of schools at ease and have the Catholic mentality of we're here to serve and help … I went to Catholic school all my life. I love Jesus and I'm not even a Republican."

Edgy MD
Oct 20 2011 12:19 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

I avoid this thread religiously, and I'm not even Republican. But that's some good stuff from Geno.

seawolf17
Oct 20 2011 12:27 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

I gave Stony Brook a first-place vote, but yet somehow we didn't make the Top 25.

soupcan
Oct 25 2011 12:50 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

6'10", 280 lb center, Dajuan Coleman chooses to study at Syracuse (and play a little basketball) rather than Ohio State or Kentucky next fall.



Rated as the 4th best center recruit in the country by ESPN.com

Nice frontcourt next year....

Centerfield
Oct 25 2011 12:56 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Highly rated overall as well:

The Scout.com recruiting service rates Coleman at No. 11 in the Class of 2012. He’s ranked No. 14 in the class on ESPNU’s website.

Centerfield
Oct 25 2011 01:02 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

That makes two top 50 recruits for next year. They also have Jerami Grant, a 6'7" forward, son of Harvey Grant.

Grant, a senior at DeMatha Catholic in Hyattsville, Md., is a consensus Top 50 player in the Class of 2012. He’s ranked No. 19 in his class by Rivals.com. He’s at No. 43 on ESPN’s rankings and No. 50 on Scout.com.

Methead
Oct 25 2011 01:37 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Holy shit, I didn't realize he was that big. For some reason I thought Coleman was a guard.

Building the Melo center looks like it was a nice little investment in the future of SU hoops.

Centerfield
Oct 28 2011 09:16 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol



The caption for this pic is: Syracuse assistant coach Mike Hopkins gathers the guards for a huddle in practice at the Carmelo K. Anthony Basketball Center.

I had no idea there were this many guards. I'm guessing these guys must be walk-ons. Do they carry them all year long? Do they make cuts? I see Jardine and Triche, I think that's GMac third from the left in the gray shirt. Otherwise, I have no idea who these guys are.

Look at the guy on the left. What would you do if he walked up to you and said "Hi, I play for Syracuse." Those three have to be towel boys, no?

soupcan
Oct 28 2011 10:54 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol



The caption for this pic is: Syracuse assistant coach Mike Hopkins gathers the guards for a huddle in practice at the Carmelo K. Anthony Basketball Center.

I had no idea there were this many guards. I'm guessing these guys must be walk-ons. Do they carry them all year long? Do they make cuts? I see Jardine and Triche, I think that's GMac third from the left in the gray shirt. Otherwise, I have no idea who these guys are.

Look at the guy on the left. What would you do if he walked up to you and said "Hi, I play for Syracuse." Those three have to be towel boys, no?


Roster lists 20 players, 10 of which are guards. There are 15 guys in the pic. Take away Hopkins and McNamara makes 13. I can identify 7 - I see Triche, Scoop, Waiters, McNamara, Michael Carter-Williams and Trevor Cooney (both freshman), the kid right behind Hopkins wearing the orange tank and blue t-shirt is Griffin Hoffman. I think the white guy with his hands on his hips is Nick Resavy. Of the remaining 6, I don't know which is which but the other guards listed on the roster are Nolan Hart, Brandon Reese and Russ DeRemer. I'm pretty sure that Hoffman, Hart, Reese and DeRemer are walk-ons. Don't know about Resavy. That leaves 3 unknowns.

Paging Methead....

On edit - Nick Resavy is #2 so I think I switched him and Cooney.

Centerfield
Oct 28 2011 02:49 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Cooney is not white.

He's glowing.

Methead
Oct 28 2011 09:40 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Centerfield wrote:

Those three have to be towel boys, no?


Sure. They're guarding the towels, therefore they belong in the photo.

Methead
Nov 01 2011 06:30 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Exhibition game on SNY tonight at 7. The opponent is Cal State LA, coached by Stevie Thompson.

soupcan
Nov 01 2011 10:28 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Methead wrote:
Exhibition game on SNY tonight at 7. The opponent is Cal State LA, coached by Stevie Thompson.


AWESOME - didn't know it was going to be televised!

Muchas gracias CF!

Stevie Thompson was one of my faves.



OE: Just DVR'd it from my iPhone. I love living in the 21st century...

Centerfield
Nov 01 2011 01:13 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Um, you're welcome.

soupcan
Nov 01 2011 01:38 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Yeah...I'm a little excited.

metirish
Nov 01 2011 01:55 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

soupcan wrote:
Exhibition game on SNY tonight at 7. The opponent is Cal State LA, coached by Stevie Thompson.


AWESOME - didn't know it was going to be televised!

Muchas gracias CF!

Stevie Thompson was one of my faves.



OE: Just DVR'd it from my iPhone. I love living in the 21st century...




what a difference going from BB to a real smartphone right?

soupcan
Nov 01 2011 02:20 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

metirish wrote:
what a difference going from BB to a real smartphone right?


Big time.

I loved my BB and swore by it. Was very comfortable with it but this thing? No comparison. So much easier to use and much more user friendly.

Centerfield
Nov 02 2011 09:34 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

So I missed this. How'd they look?

I see Melo had 14 points and 8 rebounds. Did he look much better? Or was he just feasting on Division II cupcakes?

soupcan
Nov 02 2011 10:12 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

The game was actually close in the first half - score was something like 27-20 at the half I think. The team looked out of sync on both ends but got it together a bit in the second half. CSULA had this big blob of a guy at center and he had a better game against them than he had any right to.

Melo looked good. He's lost a lot of weight and it shows. He actually put up a couple of mid-range jumpers(!), one of which he hit. The best thing about him was that he was running up and down the court hard all through the game. He did not seem to be getting winded at all and was really hustling on D.

Wanted to really be impressed by Carter-Williams but other than one slashing drive I didn't see much. He's taller than I thought though,

Cooney hit two threes and looked smooth.

A few times when I was sure Scoop was going to shoot, he passed, which was nice.

Mookie fouled out without even attempting a shot. THAT was crazy.

Keita looked like a beast.

Stevie Thompson looked like he could run onto the court and drive the lane if he had to.

Methead
Nov 02 2011 10:55 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Melo looked like a different guy. If he can run the floor like that all year, there will be a lot of alley-oops and shattered backboards in his future.

Carter-Williams looked pretty quick, and looked like he knew how to score. Looked decent defensively too.

Cooney looks like a big kid. Almost as big as Rautins was as a senior, no? They're already taking about him redshirting this season though. This team is freakin' DEEP. Seems like there are 4 or 5 guys on the bench that could be starting.

Christmas is loooooooooong. Perfect type of player for the 2-3 zone. Reminds me of that 7-footer who transferred last year and I've forgotten his name already.

I really want to see Mookie and Southerland play a lot more, Southerland especially... but I guess if you suck at defense, you're not gonna play much.

Methead
Nov 10 2011 08:04 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Regular season starts Saturday at 4:00, when Fordham ventures into the dome. Game is on SNY.

If there's one thing Darryl Gross has done right, it's getting all these games on TV down here.

Methead
Nov 14 2011 03:46 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Manhattan in the house tonight at 7:00. Game is on ESPNU.

Edgy MD
Nov 28 2011 09:00 PM
Re: SU Basketball 2011-12

soupcan wrote:
I think the Big East will come out of this a basketball conference made up of northern catholic schools. And when you look at the schools they already have, that wouldn't be such a bad lineup:

Georgetown
St.John's
Seton Hall
Villanova
Providence
DePaul
Notre Dame (if the Irish don't finally decide to join a conference)
Marquette (parochial school, right?)

Mostly Jesuit, too.

Georgetown --- Jesuits
St.John's --- Vincentian Fathers
Seton Hall --- Diocesan
Villanova --- Augustinians
Providence --- Dominicans
DePaul --- Vincentian Fathers
Notre Dame --- Jesuits
Marquette --- Jesuits

soupcan
Nov 29 2011 08:06 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Did some posts get deleted?

metirish
Nov 29 2011 08:08 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

soupcan wrote:
Did some posts get deleted?



a bad split.

Edgy MD
Nov 29 2011 08:30 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Sorry. It's hard to split off a sub-topic when it's spread to more than one page of a thread. All the relevant posts should be in the right thread now.

Methead
Nov 29 2011 10:56 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Nice to see SU play some D and drain threes all night when they're unable to get the fast break going. I'm liking the way this team plays. The freshmen got some quality minutes, Christmas had the play of the night with a sweet one-handed dunk on a lob pass.

Kris Joseph remains cool and collected. Southerland is showing he can be pretty awesome too. Several players are incredibly improved from last year... except for Scoop. Not sure what's up with that guy.

Looks like Florida will be quite a test on Friday.

soupcan
Nov 30 2011 07:39 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Agreed.

Much like Duke against OSU last night - we'll be able to get a real idea of how good - or not - this team really is.

Methead
Dec 02 2011 12:46 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Cuse is favored by 6 points, which you've got to figure is due to having the home court.

Florida has Mike Rosario, a guy who transferred out of Freakin' Rutgers. I expect him to drain a three at the buzzer to send the game to OT.

Fman99
Dec 02 2011 06:59 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

These guys are some ballers. Missed most of the first half but caught the rest, nice ball movement, good defense, can score inside and out, lots of guys contributing.

Maybe as balanced an SU team as they've had in a good long while.

Methead
Dec 02 2011 09:18 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Fman99 wrote:

Maybe as balanced an SU team as they've had in a good long while.


Balanced and deep. The way I see it, the only thing that can derail our march to the national championship is a huge scandal or distraction of some sort.

Methead
Dec 12 2011 03:47 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Numero uno!

Fman99
Dec 12 2011 06:52 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

America, FUCK YEAH

Fman99
Dec 17 2011 06:35 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

88-72 over the NC State Wolfpack, #1 in the country and looked every bit the part.

Just bought tickets for the big game Saturday March 3rd vs. Louisville for me and Fwife.

MFS62
Dec 18 2011 08:41 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

RE: The thread title.
From all the recent news, I thought the 'Cuse song would be:
Nothing could be finer than to stick it to a minor.

Later

Methead
Dec 20 2011 11:55 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

My order number at Shake Shack today was #44.

It's a sign!

soupcan
Jan 04 2012 09:10 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

So what do we take from Seton Hall's beating of UConn by 12 last night a week after Syracuse crushed those self-same Pirates by 26?

Considering that the SU-SHU game was at Syracuse, the SHU-UConn game was a home game for SHU and this being college basketball, not a whole lot BUT....

The Hall hit a lot of threes last night - something the SU defense did not allow. Herb Pope had 15 pts., 3 blocks and 8 rebounds. Against SU, Pope's line was 4 pts, 0 blocks, 9 rebounds.

All this is telling me is that SU's defense is better than UConn's. Something we already knew.

Still - nice to see UConn go down hard to a team that the Orange manhandled.

I'm taking a mini-roadtrip up to Providence tonight to watch the #1 ranked Syracuse Orange Men's Basketball Team take on the Friars (plenty o' tickets available I'm told). Look for me on TV, I'll be the guy wearing orange.

Centerfield
Jan 04 2012 09:22 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Awesome. Have a great time soupy.

Obviously, this team is very good. I don't think they are really the #1 team in the nation, I think they are a tick below the likes of Ohio State, Kentucky etc., but certainly Final Four material, and capable (though not the favorite) to take it all.

My concerns are the lack of a real scoring threat on the low post. Melo is progressing but not yet there. This makes their half-court offense kind of stagnant, and they rely heavily on the one-on-one ability of the guards. Which would be fine if they had an incredible playmaker like Kemba Walker, but they don't really, making them a good, but not great offensive team. Their rebounding could be better all around.

They are, however, unfuckingstoppable in transition. Their defense is better than I've ever seen it. And any one of about 8 players can get ridiculously hot and carry this team for stretches at a time. I think Melo, Christmas and Carter-Williams will get better as the year goes on. Waiters is already ready for the NBA. If I could rename this thread, it would be "Dion Waiters Bitches!!!"

Should be a great three months of basketball to watch.

soupcan
Jan 04 2012 10:09 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Yeah - the rebounding issue to me is odd. I don't know why they aren't better there. The team is very tall, Fab & Keita are 7' and what is C.J. - like 6'9"? And he's always very active around the basket. Between Christmas and Southerland there's really no reason this team should get out-rebounded.

What you are saying are the standard arguments - no scoring threat - no go-to guy, etc. but I think Dion is both and he gets better every game. Boeheim was quoted earlier in the year as saying that he thinks Triche could be the best player on the team and I see that. I wish he could just be consistent because you see flashes from him where he can do anything and everything and just take over games and then....nothing.

The non go-to guy argument may be valid but when you see that the defense and transition scoring are as good as they are and you combine those with the fact that they lead the nation in steals and turnovers - that combination is H-U-G-E.

I'm really looking forward to the Louisville game because I think they've beaten SU the last 6 consecutive times and the way they do it is by popping a million threes. Wondering if the 'D' this year can stop that.

Fman99
Jan 04 2012 12:30 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Fwife and I have tickets to that one, last game before the Big East tourney I believe. Row ZZ, which is nice because we get to lean back against the wall of the Dome.

soupcan
Jan 05 2012 08:07 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

soupcan wrote:
Boeheim was quoted earlier in the year as saying that he thinks Triche could be the best player on the team and I see that. I wish he could just be consistent because you see flashes from him where he can do anything and everything and just take over games and then....nothing.


Associated Press wrote:
Hot-shooting Orange pull away from Friars

PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Top-ranked Syracuse was struggling to put Providence away. Then an assistant coach pulled Brandon Triche aside at halftime and told him to be more aggressive. The Syracuse guard hit three consecutive 3-pointers early in the second half and the Orange went on to beat Providence 87-73 on Wednesday night. Triche finished with 16 points, including going 4 of 5 from 3-point range, and Syracuse shot 73 percent from the field in the second half.


You heard me.

soupcan
Jan 05 2012 08:50 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Fman99 wrote:
Fwife and I have tickets to that one, last game before the Big East tourney I believe. Row ZZ, which is nice because we get to lean back against the wall of the Dome.


I think the only time I ever sat up that high in the Dome was for Bowie's Serious Moonlight tour in Fall '83.

Is it an okay seat for a hoops game? I would think if you're mid-court its probably fine.

Fman99
Jan 05 2012 10:24 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

It's not bad. We're at one end of the court but they will sell 30,000 tickets for that game.



The really bad seats are anything to the right of 317 or 303. I've been there for games, those suck. We're in 316 I think. The price was face value through Ticketmaster. I could have gotten better seats but I'm fed up with the markup you get from resellers like Stub Hub. Fuck them.

Ashie62
Jan 05 2012 12:03 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

I hope Seton Hall is not for real.

soupcan
Jan 08 2012 01:58 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

soupcan wrote:
soupcan wrote:
Boeheim was quoted earlier in the year as saying that he thinks Triche could be the best player on the team and I see that. I wish he could just be consistent because you see flashes from him where he can do anything and everything and just take over games and then....nothing.


Associated Press wrote:
Hot-shooting Orange pull away from Friars

PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Top-ranked Syracuse was struggling to put Providence away. Then an assistant coach pulled Brandon Triche aside at halftime and told him to be more aggressive. The Syracuse guard hit three consecutive 3-pointers early in the second half and the Orange went on to beat Providence 87-73 on Wednesday night. Triche finished with 16 points, including going 4 of 5 from 3-point range, and Syracuse shot 73 percent from the field in the second half.


You heard me.



Syracuse Post-Standard wrote:
Syracuse's Brandon Triche hot in first half, again gets 16 points for Orange

Brandon Triche scored 16 points against Marquette on Saturday. Thirteen of those points came in the first half.

Triche played 16 minutes in the first half, when he went 3-of-6 from 3-point range and 4-of-8 overall. He drained the first SU shot of the game, a 3-pointer off a pass from Kris Joseph.

"I’m just trying to put two halves together,” Triche said. “Last two games, it’s just one half. Last game, I wasn’t really aggressive in the first half, so this game, I tried to be aggressive first half. The shots were falling.”

Triche has strung together two straight 16-point games. He is now shooting 43 percent from 3-point range on the season.


Just call me Nostradamus.

soupcan
Jan 12 2012 08:31 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

18-0, still #1 after going to Villanova and handing out a beat-down.

Ashie62
Jan 12 2012 12:08 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

I'm looking forward to a Rutgers mens game against the Orange that actually means something for RU, its' only been 20 years or so.

soupcan
Jan 12 2012 05:13 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

I say to you what I said to my nephew who is an undergrad at Indiana and also itching for a shot at the Orange -

While your team is having a nice year and beating some good schools, be careful what you wish for. This Syracuse team is pretty damn good.

Centerfield
Jan 12 2012 07:59 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Oh that's right. I knew there was a reason I started watching sports.

Fman99
Jan 12 2012 08:02 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Syracuse, FUCK YEAH

soupcan
Jan 12 2012 08:25 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Centerfield wrote:
Oh that's right. I knew there was a reason I started watching sports.


It certainly does help, doesn't it?

Ashie62
Jan 13 2012 02:41 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Only hoping for a punchers chance against SU and the first NCAA tournament appearance since 1991.

soupcan
Jan 13 2012 12:26 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

I hear ya Ashie and I did not mean to imply that Rutgers wasn't up to the task. We SU fans here at the 'Pool know all too well that it was 'Freakin' Rutgers' that handed Syracuse it's first loss of that 2002-03 championship season.

I don't take any BE team lightly, especially a team like RU that already has some pretty solid wins in their resume.

OE: research shows that it was SU's second loss, (first was Pitt - surprise, surprise) but you get my drift.

themetfairy
Jan 13 2012 01:17 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

I hear ya Ashie and I did not mean to imply that Rutgers wasn't up to the task. We SU fans here at the 'Pool know all too well that it was 'Freakin' Rutgers' that handed Syracuse it's first loss of that 2002-03 championship season.

I don't take any BE team lightly, especially a team like RU that already has some pretty solid wins in their resume.

OE: research shows that it was SU's second loss, (first was Pitt - surprise, surprise) but you get my drift.


Also, Freakin' Rutgers as a term took on a life of its own after that.

I used the term myself to celebrate getting into grad school there :)

Methead
Jan 13 2012 01:22 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol


OE: research shows that it was SU's second loss, (first was Pitt - surprise, surprise) but you get my drift.


First game of the year against Memphis was a loss too. What sucked about that Rutgers game was the fact it was a (lucky) three off the glass at the buzzer that beat us.

Wow, I just looked it up... I could have sworn Rutgers was in the tournament one of those years when Quincy Douby was on the team.

Centerfield
Jan 13 2012 09:37 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

I think that may have been the best thread I ever started. I love Freakin' Rutgers.

And metfairy is right. I find myself thinking Freakin' Rutgers whenever someone mentions the school. Yes I get lots of weird looks.

Methead
Jan 16 2012 09:49 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Nice win.

Nice goddamn win.

soupcan
Jan 17 2012 12:39 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Agreed - a good win against a team that's owned us for 6 years.

In their last 10 regular season games against one another SU was 1-9 against Pitt (the one win coming in the second meeting of the '03-'04 season), and 1-0 in the Big East Tourney with the one win there coming in the '05-'06 season.

Pitt had beaten SU 8 consecutive times during the regular season.

So while Pitt came into the Dome looking like a shell of themselves - having lost 6 in a row and yet to gain a conference victory - and SU was the undefeated #1 team in the country playing on their home court, it was still a game that any Syracuse fan was anxious about.

And with good reason - Pitt knows how to play against that zone. Fortunately Syracuse is a beast this year and after jumping out to that 13-0 lead they were able to withstand a nice Pitt run, keep the lead and ultimately win by 9.

Its been a wile since I broke out the 'BBQ PITT!' button. Glad I could put it to use last night.

Methead
Jan 17 2012 06:54 PM
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BBQ Pitt, I like it. I have a box of all those old pins somewhere... I think I got 'em from Key Bank in the late '80s - early '90s.

CJ Fair kinda reminds me of Hakim Warrick the more I see him play. That dunk he had last night in particular.

soupcan
Jan 17 2012 07:27 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Methead wrote:
BBQ Pitt, I like it. I have a box of all those old pins somewhere... I think I got 'em from Key Bank in the late '80s - early '90s.

I've got a few pins - 'Redmen are Deadmen', 'It's Ovah 'Nova!', 'Friar Extinguisher', 'Hammer the Hall!' and of course 'Your Mother's a Hoya!'.

I also have another Pitt one that reads 'Shitt on Pitt', but I like 'BBQ Pitt' much better - more creative.

Methead wrote:
CJ Fair kinda reminds me of Hakim Warrick the more I see him play. That dunk he had last night in particular.


I told my son last night that he reminds of Stevie Thompson.

Fman99
Jan 18 2012 07:30 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

I've got a "Puke on UConn" pin somewhere at home.

Mets – Willets Point
Jan 18 2012 09:06 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

PukeConn?

Rockin' Doc
Jan 21 2012 07:18 PM
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Today was a tough day for college basketball's ranked teams. Notre Dame found some magic and handed #1 Syracuse their first loss (67-58) of the season. #3 Baylor loses for the second time this week, this time at home to #5 Missouri by a score of 89-88. #4 Duke saw their home winning streak ended (76-73) on a buzzer beating 3 pointer by Florida State. #11 UConn traveled to Knoxville and gets upended (60-57) by Tennessee. #19 Michigan found the southern hospitality of Arkansas to be lacking as they lost 66-64. The night is still young, so the carnage may not be over yet.

soupcan
Jan 22 2012 01:08 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Freakin' Notre Dame.

You know, as well as ND played that was just one of those WTF losses that teams suffer at least once or twice every season. Even though SU was playing without Fab Melo and that hulk center of ND's, Cooney was running roughshod in the paint, the reason that 'Cuse lost was because ND could not miss from three and The Orange had a poor shooting night.

It's all good though, now the pressure of not losing is off and hopefully the good guys have more of an idea of what they've got to do if they're going to be without Melo for an extended period.

Methead
Jan 22 2012 01:51 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Melo certainly would have helped a little with the horrific lack of rebounding. That was driving me crazy. Notre Dame did a great job controlling the game though... it seemed like Cuse was rushing every possession and trying to force things.

The way I see it, they played the worst game of the year by far, and were still within 5 or 6 points near the end. Hope they can bounce back at Cincinnati.

Centerfield
Jan 25 2012 08:28 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Good win against Cincy.

That being said, this team has got to get better in the half court set. If there is one weakness to Boeheim, I think it's his lack of discipline on the offensive end. Too often he relies on the talent of the players to make something happen. I would like to see some set offense, with the ball going into the post, even if it's just to kick back out to an open shooter.

When the pressure is on, I think it would help these kids not panic if they had more set plays to run.

soupcan
Jan 25 2012 11:26 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Centerfield wrote:
If there is one weakness to Boeheim, I think it's his lack of discipline on the offensive end. Too often he relies on the talent of the players to make something happen.


It's a catch-22. Boeheim has always coached a style that takes advantage of the creativity of his players.

Should they have more set half-court plays? Yeah, it would probably reduce the instances where a player (did someone say Kris Joseph?) dribbles into the lane and then doesn't know what he's gonna do when he gets there and turns over ball over, but I'd say don't fix what's not broken.

soupcan
Jan 26 2012 07:59 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Nike unveils new gray uniforms for Syracuse and other college basketball teams

According to SU Athletics the Orange will wear the uniform when it hosts USF on Feb. 22 in the Carrier Dome. Syracuse University sent out a message on Twitter saying the uniforms will be for one game only: We’re getting lots of strong feedback on the Nike basketball uniforms. Remember – they’ll only be used for one game: USF on 2/22


Eh. Boeheim insists that they're not Hoya Gray. They are 'platinum'. Oh....now I see it.

Better than Mercury Mets at least.

Sources: Syracuse center Fab Melo could be out for 'a while'

It is unclear when or if Melo might be able to re-join his team for games. He missed SU's last two games at Notre Dame and Cincinnati because of academic issues. Sources said today that it could "be a while" before those academic issues are resolved. Because of student privacy issues surrounding his academic status, SU officials have not publicly commented, beyond saying that there was no new information about Melo's playing status.

Well that sucks. Hopefully its only another game or two. Fortunately it comes at what seems like an opportune time in the schedule. With West Virginia coming into the Dome on Saturday and an 'away' game against St. John's on 2/4. Next game where they'd probably really miss his big body inside would be against Georgetown (in the Dome) on 2/8. Gotta hope this is resolved by then.

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 26 2012 11:23 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

What if Melo flunked all his classes last semester? How would they fix that in a few days?

Fman99
Jan 26 2012 11:25 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
What if Melo flunked all his classes last semester? How would they fix that in a few days?


soupcan
Jan 26 2012 07:30 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Looks like we won't need Doc Brown or Marty. Rumors aswirlin' on the internet fanboards that Fab will be back for the G'Town game and possibly before that for St. John's.

Centerfield
Jan 26 2012 08:23 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Where are you reading that? Can fanboards be credible?

soupcan
Jan 27 2012 07:13 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Syracusefan.com: this thread.

Apparently, the moderator there - some dude named 'Jake' knows someone who knows someone and has been spot-on with rumors and the like in the past so all the peeps there put quite a lot of faith in what he says.

Hey man, I'm just trying to grab onto something positive.

Methead
Jan 27 2012 10:28 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Initially I had heard there was some sort of problem with a final exam in one of the classes, and every student had to re-take it. Not sure what the deal is at this point... I'll have to read the thread you're linking to.

If he's being allowed to practice with the team, it can't be all that serious, can it?

Centerfield
Feb 01 2012 04:29 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Melo back Saturday says the Post-Standard.

Methead
Feb 01 2012 06:01 PM
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Woohoo!

soupcan
Feb 01 2012 07:01 PM
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Bad news for the Johnnies...

Edgy MD
Feb 03 2012 11:46 AM
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Breaking news is that Jim Calhoun is taking a medical leave of absence, effective immediately.

soupcan
Feb 03 2012 12:25 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Thanks for the newsflash. Apparently back issues (spinal stenosis I read).

You know if the guy had some illness I'd have more sympathy for him but honestly I dislike the guy and the program (yes I'm jealous, yes I'm biased) so I'm going to get a dig in here and wonder aloud that if his team was not underachieving this year would he have taken this leave?

I find it hard to believe he would.

Edgy MD
Feb 03 2012 01:31 PM
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Well, they've also had a little recruiting ethics cloud gathering around the team this season, haven't they?

Ashie62
Feb 04 2012 11:13 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Orange exterminating Johnnies.

soupcan
Feb 06 2012 11:03 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Awesome time at MSG on Saturday.

The place was at least 75% Syracuse fans.

Good tune-up for what is going to be a tough week for the Orange.

Wednesday and Saturday are Georgetown and UConn respectively at the Dome and then at Louisville.

I want all 3!

Centerfield
Feb 06 2012 11:08 AM
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Thought process:

Wow, soupcan is greedy. I'd take 2 out of 3.

As long as one of them is Georgetown.

And the other is UConn.

Wait, I don't want to lose to Pitino again. We have to beat Louisville. In fact, I'd want to run them off the floor.

I want all three. By blowouts.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 06 2012 11:30 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

soupcan wrote:
Awesome time at MSG on Saturday.

The place was at least 75% Syracuse fans.

Good tune-up for what is going to be a tough week for the Orange.

Wednesday and Saturday are Georgetown and UConn respectively at the Dome and then at Louisville.

I want all 3!


So how often do you think SU will be on TV in NYC once they begin ACC play?

soupcan
Feb 06 2012 12:58 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
So how often do you think SU will be on TV in NYC once they begin ACC play?


That's a tough one, I don't know.

Does the ACC have its own network like the Big 10? I get the Big 10 network on my cable system.

Is Syracuse popular enough in this area that their games alone (and/or the ACC network) would be attractive to a YES or an SNY? There sure are a lot of fans in the area.

Isn't that one of the reasons the ACC wanted them in the first place? With Syracuse, BC, Pitt, Miami, Duke, Maryland and UNC, the ACC definitely has a selling point to a tri-state area network. Lots of people from this area are interested in those schools in one way or another.

Centerfield wrote:
I want all three. By blowouts.


Now we're talking..!

Methead
Feb 08 2012 10:45 PM
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Now there's the Kris Joseph we've been waiting for all season.

Other than that I have no idea how they were able to get it to OT, let alone win the game.

Fman99
Feb 09 2012 06:17 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Suck it, Hoyas!

soupcan
Feb 09 2012 07:45 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Methead wrote:
Other than that I have no idea how they were able to get it to OT, let alone win the game.


Because Georgetown sucks. Always has, always will.

Those refs sure let the kids play last night. I thought C.J. Fair's head was gonna get ripped off at one point and...no call.

Melo was a serious presence down low and the Hoyas missed as many shots in the paint as Syracuse did from outside.

It's like you said after the Notre Dame game - they played like crap and still beat a tough team. Granted it was at home but still.

Also - that last call on the out of bounds with 4 ticks left in OT could've easily gone the other way. Not that it would have been a difference maker - G'Town was still down 3 with 4 seconds left and their best bomber on the bench.

Moving on...1 down, two more to go and the reeling Huskies coming into the Dome on Saturday.

Centerfield
Feb 09 2012 08:10 AM
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Beating Georgetown = Awesome. Even if the rivalry has lost some of its edge since the "Patrick Ewing Can't Read this Sign" days, it's always fun to beat Georgetown. I'm a bit disappointed the fans didn't rush the court. Why should that be limited to upsets? Does that mean because they are ranked high the fans never get to rush the court this year? I think every time you beat Georgetown, you get to rush the court. Period.

I can't believe they won this game either. Getting beat on the boards by 17, Dion Waiters clanging shot after shot...Kris Joseph really bailed them out today. I still think they need to get better in the half-court set. At least get the ball in the paint to Melo so he can draw defenders then kick back out. Floating the ball around the perimeter is what SU opponents are supposed to do.

THEY HAVE TO STOP LETTING THE CLOCK RUN WITH A FOUR POINT LEAD. TWICE THEY DID THIS AT THE END OF REGULATION AND ENDED UP HAVING TO HEAVE UP BAD SHOTS. IT KILLS ANY FLOW. IT'S MUCH MORE IMPORTANT TO SCORE THAN TO USE CLOCK WHEN THE LEAD IS THAT SMALL.

Awful set at the end of regulation. You have that much time, call a timeout, then end up with a contested Waiters desperation three? Awful.

I rarely say this, but I thought we got the benefit of some home-town officiating. I thought the GTown guys got hacked pretty bad on some plays with no calls. I also thought that last out of bounds play went off of Scoop.

Was disappointed Michael Carter-Williams didn't get more time after his breakout performance against St. John's. I really think we are wasting his talent this year.

Whatever. We win. They suck.

Edgy MD
Feb 09 2012 08:14 AM
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Syracuse, or almost any team, ripping Georgetown on the academic achievement of its players is sort of a stretch, no?

All in rivalristic fun, I guess.

Centerfield
Feb 09 2012 08:19 AM
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Absolutely. Our own center, who recently missed 3 games for undisclosed academic reasons, doesn't exactly seem like he'll be working for NASA anytime soon either.

I joke about it, but some say there were some ugly racial undertones to the anti-Ewing messages. I don't know, I was too young to sense anything as it was happening, and our own team featured black players as well, so I can't say. Soupy may be able to add something here.

(Yes, I'm calling soupcan old)

soupcan
Feb 09 2012 10:07 AM
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That's cool - I am old and I was there during that whole scene.

'EWING CANT READ THIS SIGN' while amusing to the SU fans and always good for a slow facebook day ('Ewing can't read this status update!') was aimed at his being the best player in the nation but 'conveniently' qualifying to play for a institution with lofty academic standards. Like those two things are mutually exclusive from one another. Did Bill Bradley's prowess in the same fields give rise to such signs...? I believe, but could be mistaken, that Ewing's parents were both educators and that his high school in Boston (Cambridge Ringe & Latin or something like that) was a pretty prestigious school. Ewing also never spoke much during his time at Georgetown and that was by design. Thompson gave the media very little to no access to his players. Also, Ewing was not the offensive force in college that he was in the pros. Thompson preferred a guard oriented offense with big men clogging up the middle. Those two things (not speaking and appearing to be a big goon just swatting away shots and not being 'clever enough' to become a scorer as well) just fostered the perception that Ewing was a big dumb 'gorilla'. That being said though, if anybody tells you it had nothing to do with the way he looked, they'd be lying to you. Ewing also got oranges thrown at him on the court. That was explained away as 'well they were ORANGES and we're orange, not like we threw bananas'. By the way - they did throw bananas.

But there wasn't the kind of outrage from Georgetown that you might expect. Why? Because John Thompson fanned those flames and used all that to his advantage - every call that they didn't get was because the ref was racist, and he'd try to intimidate the refs with that stuff before each game. It worked too. Remember 'Hoya Paranoia'?

Mostly though its always written off as just being a heated part of the rivalry. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that if and when the new and improved Fab Melo comes down to Landover, the Hoya fans will have similar things to say about him and the way he looks.

Edgy MD
Feb 09 2012 10:18 AM
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Hoya Paranoia was certainly a lot more legit point of criticism than Hoya Ignorance.

Methead
Feb 09 2012 10:35 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

All this team has to do is grab rebounds. That's really it... everything else will feed off of that. CJ got a lot of minutes last night, simply because he's the only guy who knows what a rebound is.

Centerfield
Feb 10 2012 10:59 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Crush UConn tomorrow. Like crush them.

Rockin' Doc
Feb 11 2012 10:45 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Nike unveils new gray uniforms for Syracuse and other college basketball teams

According to SU Athletics the Orange will wear the uniform when it hosts USF on Feb. 22 in the Carrier Dome. Syracuse University sent out a message on Twitter saying the uniforms will be for one game only: We’re getting lots of strong feedback on the Nike basketball uniforms. Remember – they’ll only be used for one game: USF on 2/22


Eh. Boeheim insists that they're not Hoya Gray. They are 'platinum'. Oh....now I see it.

Better than Mercury Mets at least.


Duke wore their version of the new Nike Platinum uniforms this afternoon. This was their first (and I hope last) game wearing them. They are absolutely terrible. I don't like the look these "Hyper Elite Plastinum" uniforms for any of the 9 programs unfortunate enough to have Nike honor them with these abominations. Syracuse will sport their version of these hideous, gray monstrosities (excuse me...."platinum") when they trounce USF at the Carrier Dome on Wednesday, February 22nd.

soupcan
Feb 12 2012 01:24 PM
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UConn crushed by 18 as per CF's request and C.J. Fair nets a double-double ending Syracuse's rebounding woes by corralling 12 boards. 32,000+ on hand at the Dome (including myself and my son) to witness the carnage.

I'm in full agreement with Doc regarding g the stoopid gray unis. They looked like crap on Duke and I'm certain they will look no better on the Orange.

Louisville tomorrow night at 7:00 on ESPN. Come on boys, lets get this one and basically cement the regular season title.

Methead
Feb 12 2012 02:06 PM
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CJ Fair is the man.

Seems like everyone on the team (except Keita) is twice the player they were last year.

Centerfield
Feb 13 2012 09:15 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Toughest game of the stretch tonight. Should be a real battle.

soupcan
Feb 13 2012 07:41 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

soupcan wrote:
Wednesday and Saturday are Georgetown and UConn respectively at the Dome and then at Louisville.

I want all 3!



Georgetown W 64-61
Connecticut W 85-67
Louisville W 52-51

You heard me.

Centerfield
Feb 14 2012 08:20 AM
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Take that bitches.

RD, I saw the Duke highlights. Those uniforms are a crime.

Fman99
Mar 03 2012 07:35 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Over 33,000 of us at the Carrier Dome tonight. Good times.

Methead
Mar 04 2012 12:08 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Crowd looked huge on TV.

Just like the South Florida game... Cuse looked awful for 10 minutes before getting things figured out. Was glad to see them keep Kuric from getting hot. Then again, Louisville didn't make many from beyond the arc as a whole. Cuse's perimeter shooting was the only reason they were in the ballgame early.

What an awesome regular season, I've never seen anything like it. This team was SO CLOSE to being undefeated, but what can you do. Hope they can keep winning.

Ashie62
Mar 04 2012 01:11 PM
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CAN MELO READ THIS SIGN?

Methead
Mar 04 2012 08:40 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Undefeated at home. Only other SU team to do that was the '02-'03 squad, led by a different Melo.

Gary Cohen must be loving the symmetry here.

Frayed Knot
Mar 04 2012 09:26 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Ashie62 wrote:
CAN MELO READ THIS SIGN?


Which one, Fab, or his older brother Car?

HahnSolo
Mar 05 2012 12:08 PM
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Just scored a couple of freebies for the Big East Semis on Friday. I have no horse in the race but Little Solo likes watching the Cuse, so hopefully they'll be there to pull for.

soupcan
Mar 05 2012 12:46 PM
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Gonna play hooky on Thursday and try and get into the building for the Syracuse noon game.

Gawd, I love the BE tourney. This I will definitely miss it when they go ACC.

Methead
Mar 07 2012 02:16 PM
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soupcan wrote:
Gonna play hooky on Thursday and try and get into the building for the Syracuse noon game.


Ooooh, you get UConn again. I'm hoping for 7 overtimes.

Ashie62
Mar 07 2012 04:22 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Youll get in..enjoy!

soupcan
Mar 07 2012 05:09 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Unfortunately work got in the way and I'll have to be in the office tomorrow instead of the Garden.

No worries, I'll just watch 'em on Friday (and Saturday).

Methead
Mar 07 2012 08:34 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

See, this is why I like working at home. I've already told people I have a videoconference scheduled tomorrow between 12 and 2.

No calls, please.

soupcan
Mar 09 2012 01:27 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

That's three times a loser for UConn.

Next up - Cincinnati then either Notre Dame or Louisville for the Conference USA championship.

Can't get to the ACC fast enough.

Ashie62
Mar 09 2012 09:39 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

soupcan wrote:
That's three times a loser for UConn.

Next up - Cincinnati then either Notre Dame or Louisville for the Conference USA championship.

Can't get to the ACC fast enough.


Not yet..Hope for the 1 seed.

soupcan
Mar 10 2012 07:59 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Not happy this morning.

Methead
Mar 10 2012 09:21 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Common theme in SU losses throughout history... some team oes insane from beyond the arc, and Cuse misses a bunch of crucial free throws at the end.

I thought they did a great job to claw their way back into it last night. Jardine needs to play a lot better than he did at the Garden though.

Waiters is the man.

Ashie62
Mar 10 2012 09:17 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

And Pitino takes the Big East.

Methead
Mar 10 2012 09:41 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Cincinnati can't make a 3-pointer against G-town

Shoots the lights out against Cuse

Goes cold against Louisville

But of course.

Ashie62
Mar 12 2012 06:11 AM
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soupcan wrote:
Not happy this morning.


Why would you be in a hurry to get to the ACC? easier schedule perhaps?

HahnSolo
Mar 12 2012 07:22 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

I went to the semifinals on Friday night, and the place was electric. That was a Syracuse home game...90% of the crowd was in orange.

I told the guy next to me that they'll miss this when they have to travel to Greensboro or Charlotte for their conference tournament, and he just shook his head.

soupcan
Mar 12 2012 12:53 PM
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No excuses if Syracuse doesn't at least get to the Final 8. They are in a very favorable bracket.

[u:1okxbjy6]East Region[/u:1okxbjy6]

1 - Syracuse
2 - Ohio State
3 - Florida State
4 - Wisconsin

Ohio State is far and away the toughest of those four but Syracuse should still be able to handle them.

HahnSolo
Mar 12 2012 12:56 PM
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Don't sell Florida State short.
4-1 against UNC and Duke. I know Duke is probably overrated, but UNC is the real deal, and they beat them twice.

I'm not as high on Jared Sullinger and Ohio State as many others.

TransMonk
Mar 12 2012 01:13 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

soupcan wrote:
No excuses if Syracuse doesn't at least get to the Final 8. They are in a very favorable bracket.

East Region

1 - Syracuse
2 - Ohio State
3 - Florida State
4 - Wisconsin

Ohio State is far and away the toughest of those four but Syracuse should still be able to handle them.

I have a feeling I'm going to run away with this years CPF Tourney Bracket Challenge.

Gwreck
Mar 13 2012 12:41 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

soupcan wrote:
Ohio State is far and away the toughest of those four but Syracuse should still be able to handle them.


I think Ohio State is beatable too but it's going to be a lot harder if your players don't go to class.

Melo ruled ineligible for tournament

soupcan
Mar 13 2012 12:51 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Yeah, with Melo out, they'll be lucky to get to the sweet sixteen.

This blows.

Centerfield
Mar 13 2012 01:03 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

What a fucking joke. There goes the season.

Methead
Mar 13 2012 01:12 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

I'm insane with rage over this. I know it shouldn't matter that much to me, but here we are.

I do think they're in better shape than they were the year Onuaku got hurt, because at the very least, Christmas is a much better backup than Riley was that year.

I almost wish the committee could re-seed a few teams based on this. No way SU should be #1 without Melo in there.

Dammit.

soupcan
Mar 13 2012 01:30 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Yeah - I'm trying to untighten my colon and think rationally about this but even if they are lucky to get past the first two rounds how will they possibly deal with Ohio State?

This season started out with so much promise and its just been a mess ever since.

Methead
Mar 13 2012 01:58 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Well I've already ground my molars into powder, I guess unclenching my colon would be the next step.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 13 2012 02:17 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

My guess is that Melo's played his last NCAA game ever. He'll declare for the NBA draft in a few months. School's not for him.

Ashie62
Mar 13 2012 06:20 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Melo is not so Fab.

Took Ohio State to win it in the pool.

Methead
Mar 14 2012 10:06 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

"Even if Fab Melo stays back to retake a flunked Art History exam, the deep and dangerous Syracuse Orange, No. 1 in the East Region, is nearly assured a Sweet Sixteen berth come Saturday."

http://www.cornellsun.com/blog/content/ ... ate-orange

I always thought player eligibility was determined semester by semester... didn't realize you could fail one test and be ineligible. Seems to me this was Melo's third strike... they kept giving him second chances and he couldn't hack it.

I don't care that he wants to leave for the NBA, I just wish he wasn't screwing the rest of the team in the process.

Ashie62
Mar 14 2012 04:45 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Melo may have been inelgible between suspensions..really.

The Ohio State of hoops.

Fman99
Mar 14 2012 06:57 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Methead wrote:
Well I've already ground my molars into powder, I guess unclenching my colon would be the next step.


I just unclenched Methead's colon.

Methead
Mar 14 2012 07:12 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Warn me first, dude. I wasn't ready.

Centerfield
Mar 15 2012 03:48 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Well that was much fucking harder than it needed to be.

Methead
Mar 15 2012 04:06 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Centerfield wrote:
Well that was much fucking harder than it needed to be.


I know, I told Fman to warn me.

No idea why SU settled for so many shots from behind the arc when they had a size advantage at every position on the floor.

Fman99
Mar 15 2012 06:53 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

As they've done all season, they played to the level of their competition and pulled it out at the end, today thanks to some gifts from the officials and ultimately a more elite base of talent. That won't work against K-State.

I'm glum.

Edgy MD
Mar 15 2012 07:45 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Syracuse is typically as deep as any team in the country.

They'll survive this better than 96% of other team's would if their top player doped himself off the roster.

Frayed Knot
Mar 17 2012 04:09 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Syracuse getting all the early time slots so far; usually that means TV doesn't think you're a good draw.
Not sure why that would be, at least not this year.

Methead
Mar 17 2012 07:40 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

50 points in the second half today. I like it.

TransMonk
Mar 17 2012 09:00 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Wow. I've been waiting years for this.

TransMonk
Mar 17 2012 09:03 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

soupcan wrote:
No excuses if Syracuse doesn't at least get to the Final 8. They are in a very favorable bracket.

East Region

1 - Syracuse
2 - Ohio State
3 - Florida State
4 - Wisconsin

Ohio State is far and away the toughest of those four but Syracuse should still be able to handle them.

Far and away? Wisconsin did beat Ohio State about a month ago in Columbus.

soupcan
Mar 17 2012 09:27 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Well they're gonna lace 'em up on Thursday Monkey Man, we'll see who the better team is. Your coach however is far and away the craziest.

TransMonk
Mar 17 2012 09:46 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

That I believe

Methead
Mar 18 2012 09:30 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Should be a good matchup... it seems Cuse has had to deal with teams trying to slow down the tempo and grind out games for about a month now.

I was trying to pay closer attention to the Wisc/Vanderbilt game yesterday but we had company over. Didn't notice if Wisc took that approach. Hopefully Cuse can get into some passing lanes and force a few turnovers... and make just enough shots to pull out a win.

TransMonk
Mar 22 2012 10:03 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Stupid Badgers.

Methead
Mar 22 2012 10:31 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Dude.

I can't believe how many shots your guys made from the perimeter. Holy shit. I mean, I knew they had shooters, but that was quite a display.

It was yet another game where Cuse missed a couple easy shots... missed key free throws... but somehow found a way to pull it out.

Great game.

TransMonk
Mar 23 2012 07:11 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Yeah, the 2011-2012 Badger season was well demonstrated last night. The ability to hit a lot of shots from downtown, but the inability to drive to the basket much. They were also incredibly streaky shooters all year, often going several minutes without hitting ANY shots after looking like like they couldn't miss for several possessions.

Overall, they got further in the tourney than I thought they would back in January. They definitely played their best ball in February and March. I'd love to see one of Bo's teams take the next steps, though.

'Cuse is a great team and I'm glad Bucky could hang with them for a thrilling game.

soupcan
Mar 23 2012 07:28 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Amazing game. Surprised I've got any fingernails left.

These are the games that Syracuse always loses - opponents unconscious from three spells doom for the 2-3 zone. Somehow, someway this time it didn't, but only barely.

Like everybody who watched that game has said - I've never seen a shooting performance like that.

Ashie62
Mar 24 2012 06:48 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Cuse in deep doo againt OSU

Ashie62
Mar 24 2012 07:17 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Simply outmanned.

Methead
Mar 24 2012 08:00 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

I guess.

I don't think they played their best game... I mean they were in it near the end but they turned the ball over twice in a row with a few minutes left and that sort of sealed it.

No idea why they didn't take it to the hoop more aggressively when Sullinger was out with foul trouble in the first half. And they could've taken it right at him when he was in there in the 2nd half, knowing he'd be afraid of foul trouble.

Ah well. Maybe Fab Melo wouldn't have made the difference but he would've at least represented 5 more fouls.

I have no complaints... they could've imploded as soon as the Fine scandal broke but they pulled together and had the greatest regular season I've ever seen.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 25 2012 12:38 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

A tough loss for the Orange, but I was expecting it. It's a credit to this year's team, and their phenomenal depth that the squad is a top 10 team, even without Fab Melo. But without Fab, I thought that they weren't Final Four caliber. This season, Melo was Boeheim's most important player. Fab had a major impact on the play in almost every way imaginable, and in ways that didn't necessarily show up on Melo's individual stat line. His stifling interior defense would almost singlehandedly alter, if not thoroughly shut down the opponent's inside threat while his ability to score from close range, especially on lobs that his teammates would execute repeatedly and to perfection forced SU's defenders to pay extra attention and tighten their D, thus opening up the perimeter to easier and less contested outside shots -- something that was sorely missed without Melo because SU's ballhandlers' shooting skills were not consistent with elite Final Four caliber basketball play.

Seven footers with Melo's physical gifts come along once in a lifetime, and SU b-ball fans might never see the likes of him ever again, as raw as he still was, and even accounting for so much unfulfilled potential. In almost every game, Melo would exhibit flashes of brilliance that reminded me of a collegiate Patrick Ewing. Right now, the scouts are projecting Melo as a second-round NBA draft pick, perhaps even as a first rounder. But with some more college seasoning, it's not unreasonable to expect Melo to develop into a lottery pick.

Methead
Mar 25 2012 12:50 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Yeah, Melo was a pleasant surprise. I don't think anyone expected him to be this much better than he was last year.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he left school. It doesn't seem like he's all that committed to the classroom anyway. Christmas looks more than capable although he doesn't have the size of Melo. They've played with undersized centers before (Rick Jackson says hi) but obviously it's not ideal.

However, if that Noel kid decides he wants to play for the Orange, that would be OK with me.

Methead
Mar 25 2012 05:27 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

God, last night I was fine. Woke up indifferent, but as the day has gone on I've been getting more and more bitter about the loss.

We'll see how I feel tomorrow. Dammit.

Looking forward to next years team in any case... at this point it looks like they will be heavily guard-oriented, especially if Waiters comes back (and they don't get Noel).

soupcan
Mar 26 2012 07:56 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

I was lucky enough to get a couple of tickets to the Syracuse-Ohio State game. My son and I drove up, met up with some of my friends from college and really had a great time.

Without Fab, I thought that was going to be the toughest game for them and I honestly didn't think they'd win. I hoped they would and I cheered my lungs out for them, but wasn't expecting it. So when they came up short I wasn't crying.

The day I learned that Fab was out for the tourney - that's when I was the most upset. Having two weeks to get used to it helped me deal with the loss.

Anyway, as I have stated on my FB page - there is always next year, and for Syracuse hoops, next year looks pretty good. Fab will be gone, Dion too most likely and Joseph (nice disappearing act in the tourney by the way) and Scoop are done.

I think Triche steps up big next year. He showed flashes all year long of the player he can be and I'm hopeful he can be consistent as a senior leader. MCW looks like he's chomping at the bit to show what he can do and I'm excited about his potential. Cooney and Southerland possibly raining 3s all year long and Coleman, Christmas, Keita are going to solve the rebounding issues they had this year. Gotta believe that Coleman will also be the scoring threat that Fab was not.

I haven't even mentioned Jeremi Grant and the possibility that Nerlens Noel or that Goodluck kid comes up to the Hill.

Methead
Mar 26 2012 01:32 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

From another board...

"These last four years have been the best in program history. 119-26, with two 30 win seasons, and two other 25+ win seasons. Two Big East Regular season championships, two Sweet 16s and one Elite 8. More times ranked #1 than any other stretch in our program's history. It goes on and on."

Fine, I'm starting to feel better.

Yeah... going into the game I wasn't confident, but that just makes it worse when you lose after having blown many, many chances to be there at the end.

And I do feel pretty good about next year and beyond.


Stole that quote from here by the way -- http://syracusefan.com/threads/best-4-y ... ory.23754/

Methead
Mar 26 2012 07:08 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Waiters is now eligible for the draft.

Can't blame the kid. He went from surly malcontent as a freshman to the best 6th man in the Big East as a soph. Almost 13 points in just 24 minutes a game.

Good luck to Dion.

soupcan
Mar 26 2012 07:20 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Yeah, can't blame him. Would've been nice to get another year out of him but that's college hoops these days.

Good luck to him, hope he does well.

Fman99
Mar 26 2012 07:47 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

I'm still pissed. Fucking Fab Melo.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 26 2012 07:57 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

The departing seniors, Jardine & Joseph should be very easy to replace. Melo & Waters, not so easy.

Methead
Mar 26 2012 08:01 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Fman99 wrote:
I'm still pissed. Fucking Fab Melo.


Don't get me wrong, I'm still somewhat bitter. It's fading though.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 26 2012 11:42 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Methead wrote:
Yeah, Melo was a pleasant surprise. I don't think anyone expected him to be this much better than he was last year.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he left school. It doesn't seem like he's all that committed to the classroom anyway.


I wonder if it's in Melo's best economic interests to declare for the NBA draft. Right now, as raw as he is, he's projected as a second round pick, perhaps a late first rounder. But with another year of college ball, he might improve his game to the level of a lottery pick. If so, my hunch is that the extra year of college ball would be worth millions more to Melo, long-term. One of the rumors, though, is that Melo might not have a choice. He might've flunked his classes so badly that he might not be academically eligible to play next season even if he does stick around. The school's decision to remain mum on Melo's academic situation is not by choice; Federal privacy rules prevent the university from commenting publicly.

Methead
Mar 27 2012 06:53 AM
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He seems like he's convinced himself he's good enough. He was on the NBA radar before he even got to college, and I have to believe he impressed some people with his improvement from year 1 to year 2. It seems like you have to jump into the draft when your potential is highest, rather than your talent.

However, if he's only projected to go in the second round... I don't know. I'm willing to bet he'd be picked higher without all the issues off the court. It's usually not a great move. I typically want Cuse players to stay, but that's just me being selfish.

He could always go play in Brazil for a few years and sneak into the NBA that way, I guess.

soupcan
Mar 27 2012 07:16 AM
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The interesting thing is that I think most Syracuse fans don't really care if Melo goes or stays. At least I don't.

If he goes, well then good riddance to the guy that most believe cost them at least a Final Four and at most a Championship. With Coleman coming in and Christmas and Keita having a year under their belts I think the front court is in fine shape without him.

If he stays, great. Not only is he a force in the middle but he could be the best center in the country. AND he gets a chance to redeem himself with the fans, if thats something he cares about, but will everybody want to be on eggshells all season wondering if he can hack it academically?

And if Melo does come back, does that means Nerlens Noel definitely goes elsewhere? And if Noel does commit to SU does that mean that we want or need Melo back?

soupcan
Mar 27 2012 07:19 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
One of the rumors, though, is that Melo might not have a choice. He might've flunked his classes so badly that he might not be academically eligible to play next season even if he does stick around. The school's decision to remain mum on Melo's academic situation is not by choice; Federal privacy rules prevent the university from commenting publicly.


This is something that Melo himself may want to address. Right now he is not too well-liked among the Orange faithful. Right or wrong people blame him for the failure in the tourney.

If this was something that had extenuating circumstances let us know because it would be a shame if his legacy at SU was tarnished unfairly.

Methead
Mar 27 2012 09:25 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Yeah, I'm over Melo too. Once I saw him dominating all year, I pretty much convinced myself he was gone anyway. But that's just it, I think he convinced himself too, and got lazy with schoolwork. I have nothing concrete to base that on though. It seems to me that SU gave him plenty of chances to get his act together (in the classroom and the courtroom) and he either couldn't or didn't.

Who knows, maybe SU figured he was leaving anyway, and suspended him as a message to other players who might decide to leave early and get lazy.

Waiters has already said he's going to finish his semester, and you can bet Boeheim made that message very clear, given all these new APR concerns.

:removes foil hat:

metirish
Mar 27 2012 10:41 AM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

soupcan wrote:
Right now he is not too well-liked among the Orange faithful. Right or wrong people blame him for the failure in the tourney.

.


that's harsh treatment for a kid don't you think?, and a lot of pressure for an amateur. What age is he?

Methead
Mar 27 2012 01:54 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

metirish wrote:
Right now he is not too well-liked among the Orange faithful. What age is he?


He'll be 22 in a few months, which is another reason he should try the draft.

Frayed Knot
Mar 27 2012 02:20 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

metirish wrote:
soupcan wrote:
Right now he is not too well-liked among the Orange faithful. Right or wrong people blame him for the failure in the tourney.

.


that's harsh treatment for a kid don't you think?, and a lot of pressure for an amateur. What age is he?


Amateur?

Edgy MD
Mar 29 2012 12:23 PM
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[youtube:31gk1pu0]Bodwi5kjn0s[/youtube:31gk1pu0]

soupcan
Mar 29 2012 01:10 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Right to my Facebook page. Gracias!

Centerfield
Apr 13 2012 12:13 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Noel chooses Kentucky. Saw the clip of the decision. Seems like a douchebag. I can't believe anyone would want to emulate LeBron James's "Decision".

Also Tomaselli, one of the Fine accusers just fessed up to lying. Which means that there's only the one original accuser left.

Methead
Apr 13 2012 05:53 PM
Re: SU Hoops 2011:Nothing Could be Finer than to be in Carol

Centerfield wrote:

Also Tomaselli, one of the Fine accusers just fessed up to lying. Which means that there's only the one original accuser left.


Did you see that on ESPN?

Yeah, me either.

Methead
May 06 2012 03:06 PM
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Obviously I have no idea how to embed a youtube video anymore...

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