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Reyes Appreciation Day IGT, 9/28

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 08:52 AM

And on the last day, Terry filed this lineup:

[list=1:2roxkgmo][*:2roxkgmo]Reyes, ss[/*:m:2roxkgmo]
[*:2roxkgmo]Tejada, 2b[/*:m:2roxkgmo]
[*:2roxkgmo]Harris, lf[/*:m:2roxkgmo]
[*:2roxkgmo]Wright, 3b[/*:m:2roxkgmo]
[*:2roxkgmo]Evans, 1b[/*:m:2roxkgmo]
[*:2roxkgmo]Baxter, rf[/*:m:2roxkgmo]
[*:2roxkgmo]Paulino, c[/*:m:2roxkgmo]
[*:2roxkgmo]Pridie, cf[/*:m:2roxkgmo]
[*:2roxkgmo]Batista, sp[/*:m:2roxkgmo][/list:o:2roxkgmo]

Ashie62
Sep 28 2011 09:45 AM
Re: Reyes Appreciation Day IGT

Two major league hitters in the lineup..Hope this is not rained out.

TransMonk
Sep 28 2011 09:50 AM
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Collins said that if Reyes gets two early hits, he'll probably be pulled so for an ovation (goodbye).

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 09:56 AM
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Well, two guys who were big league hitters at the start of the season anyhow. Tejada has turned out to be the jiggs.

And Evans is a big league hitter, too, if not a starter. But yeah, this is a springly lineup. I think Harris is the only guy on the card who hasn't played for Buffalo this season.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 09:57 AM
Re: Reyes Appreciation Day IGT, 9/28

TransMonk wrote:
Collins said that if Reyes gets two early hits, he'll probably be pulled so for an ovation (goodbye).


Shut up, Terry.

Ashie62
Sep 28 2011 09:59 AM
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Hey, Terry got his lol

Ashie62
Sep 28 2011 10:09 AM
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Hey Hey what do you say!

Vic Sage
Sep 28 2011 10:37 AM
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TransMonk wrote:
Collins said that if Reyes gets two early hits, he'll probably be pulled so for an ovation (goodbye).


is this his attempt to kiss Jose's ass, to try and help the contract process for the offseason?
it's bullshit, but whatever, Yogi.
Ted Williams' head is spinning in its freezer.

metirish
Sep 28 2011 11:17 AM
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A day game , can't even see Jose's possible last turn as a Met.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 28 2011 11:18 AM
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Wonder also if this will be Wayne Hagin's last game as a Met.

(sniff)

Ceetar
Sep 28 2011 11:21 AM
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Okay, I'm going to Vegas. seeya.

Jose Reyes.

metirish
Sep 28 2011 11:23 AM
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Just read that Francesa will join Howie and Wayne in the booth starting in the fifth........torture til the end.

attgig
Sep 28 2011 11:23 AM
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WTF!

Frayed Knot
Sep 28 2011 11:23 AM
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[bigpurple:3pot1njk]BOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!![/bigpurple:3pot1njk]

TransMonk
Sep 28 2011 11:24 AM
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I believe Ryan Braun now needs three hits tonight to win the title.

I like Jose's chances.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 28 2011 11:25 AM
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Turner runs for Reyes. Lame.

I agree with the big purple boo.

metirish
Sep 28 2011 11:25 AM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Turner runs for Reyes. Lame.

I agree with the big purple boo.



No fucking way?


wow

Methead
Sep 28 2011 11:26 AM
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attgig wrote:
WTF!


Ridiculous. The fans who bothered to show up should get out of there too.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 28 2011 11:26 AM
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My main interest in this game was to see how Jose would do.

Now we're deep into rat's ass territory.

Met Hunter
Sep 28 2011 11:27 AM
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Not exactly a Ted Williams move.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 11:28 AM
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Well rip my stockings! How many of these suckers paid for tickets to this game to see Reyes only to get him pulled in the first inning?

Way to punt on first down, JerryTerry!

soupcan
Sep 28 2011 11:29 AM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
My main interest in this game was to see how Jose would do.

Now we're deep into rat's ass territory.


I've been in rat's ass territory for at least a month now.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 11:30 AM
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TransMonk wrote:
I believe Ryan Braun now needs three hits tonight to win the title.

I like Jose's chances.

Of winning a title on his ass.

Or losing it on his ass.

The key word is ass.

BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/bigpurple]

metirish
Sep 28 2011 11:37 AM
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I'm embarrassed to be a Met fan today, thank you Terry fucking Collins.

Frayed Knot
Sep 28 2011 11:38 AM
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I wonder if any pressure to remove Jose came from 'upstairs' (meaning Wilpons more than Sandy).
We've accused this ownership/team of over-caring so to speak about pr moments, round numbers, and the like - which leads one to wonder about whether the quick hook was ordered or at least strongly encouraged on account of having 'a batting champion' being so darn important to someone with some pull.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 11:39 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Wonder also if this will be Wayne Hagin's last game as a Met.

(sniff)

Wouldn't it be something if they sent a pinch-runner in for him?

metirish
Sep 28 2011 11:40 AM
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I wouldn't doubt that FK. How many fans came today to see Reyes and missed his AB?, just terrible stuff.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 11:41 AM
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I'm still kind of disgusted by the pulling of Piazza while he still had another at-bat on the way.

metsmarathon
Sep 28 2011 11:44 AM
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can't this fucking team do anything fucking right?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 28 2011 11:45 AM
Re: Reyes Appreciation Day IGT, 9/28

Frayed Knot wrote:
I wonder if any pressure to remove Jose came from 'upstairs' (meaning Wilpons more than Sandy).
We've accused this ownership/team of over-caring so to speak about pr moments, round numbers, and the like - which leads one to wonder about whether the quick hook was ordered or at least strongly encouraged on account of having 'a batting champion' being so darn important to someone with some pull.



Certainly goes against Terry's recent stretch of bunty, relievey, desperate baseball.

I really don't care all that much anymore but always a disappointment when fans can openly debate the motives of the management.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 28 2011 11:49 AM
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Howie the other night mentioned benching Lee Mazzilli to preserve a .250 batting average in 1977. Anyone remember this?

He was removed after a leadoff double in the last game of the year and finished at 250 even. [url]http://ultimatemets.com/gamedetail.php?gameno=2607&tabno=A

metirish
Sep 28 2011 11:51 AM
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.250 was some sort of benchmark or what the fuck was that about?

I really shouldn't feel as disgusted as I am right now, stupid me.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 28 2011 11:51 AM
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I don't recall that. Removing a player to preserve a .250 batting average?!? That strikes me as really pathetic.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 11:55 AM
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He and Joe Torre had a thing going on.

Gwreck
Sep 28 2011 11:55 AM
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Missed this going down real-time due to a work phone call but this is stupid AND is messing with the baseball gods. This is just asking for a 4-for-4 day for Braun to pass Reyes and Reyes' wimpy manager.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 12:01 PM
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It's now David Wright plus eight first-year or rookie-eligible Mets, seven of whom started the season in the minors.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 28 2011 12:03 PM
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It's a shame they went about it this way, but the I'm not gonna buy into the rage that would suggest that winning a "batting title" legitimately or not was important to begin with.

Frayed Knot
Sep 28 2011 12:04 PM
Re: Reyes Appreciation Day IGT, 9/28

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
I wonder if any pressure to remove Jose came from 'upstairs' (meaning Wilpons more than Sandy).
We've accused this ownership/team of over-caring so to speak about pr moments, round numbers, and the like - which leads one to wonder about whether the quick hook was ordered or at least strongly encouraged on account of having 'a batting champion' being so darn important to someone with some pull.



Certainly goes against Terry's recent stretch of bunty, relievey, desperate baseball.

I really don't care all that much anymore but always a disappointment when fans can openly debate the motives of the management.



It would also fit their usual pattern of doing something for pr reasons only to get hit with a pr shit-storm right back in their face.

Gwreck
Sep 28 2011 12:06 PM
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I don't think Tejada or Evans are rookies.

metirish
Sep 28 2011 12:08 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
I wonder if any pressure to remove Jose came from 'upstairs' (meaning Wilpons more than Sandy).
We've accused this ownership/team of over-caring so to speak about pr moments, round numbers, and the like - which leads one to wonder about whether the quick hook was ordered or at least strongly encouraged on account of having 'a batting champion' being so darn important to someone with some pull.



Certainly goes against Terry's recent stretch of bunty, relievey, desperate baseball.

I really don't care all that much anymore but always a disappointment when fans can openly debate the motives of the management.



It would also fit their usual pattern of doing something for pr reasons only to get hit with a pr shit-storm right back in their face.




This , the Mets are spectacularly good at it.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 12:09 PM
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I don't think Tejada or Evans are rookies.


Oh, well, I think I'll go with "First year Mets and guys who started the season in the minors."

Meanwhile, this guy could use some correspondence: DNewman@nymets.com

TransMonk
Sep 28 2011 12:12 PM
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David done after a hit, too.

Goddammit, I need a win to beat Vic in the Prediction contest.

metirish
Sep 28 2011 12:13 PM
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TransMonk wrote:
David done after a hit, too.



gotta preserve that .254 average.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 12:13 PM
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metirish wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
It would also fit their usual pattern of doing something for pr reasons only to get hit with a pr shit-storm right back in their face.


This , the Mets are spectacularly good at it.

Which is strange. It suggests that they're not over-concerned with the fan's perception, nor under-concerned. They're just tremendously tone-deaf. (Or they have a fickle fan base, which is probably true enough also.) You'd figure it should be easy enough to fix with a some professional development in the PR department. A retreat or something.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 12:15 PM
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Hi, I'm Val Pascucci. How can I not crack this stink-ass lineup?

TransMonk
Sep 28 2011 12:20 PM
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Francesa says he's now rooting for Braun.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 28 2011 12:22 PM
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TransMonk wrote:
Francesa says he's now rooting for Braun.


Talk about rat's ass territory.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 12:29 PM
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Listening to Francesa pontificate between innings here. What a maroon.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 12:36 PM
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Will he stop talking about the Yankees?

soupcan
Sep 28 2011 12:39 PM
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Will he stop talking about the Yankees?



Exactly what I was thinking. every other sentence: "...just look at the Yankees..."

TransMonk
Sep 28 2011 12:40 PM
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By and by...Batista is tossing a pretty good game.

soupcan
Sep 28 2011 12:40 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Howie the other night mentioned benching Lee Mazzilli to preserve a .250 batting average in 1977. Anyone remember this?

He was removed after a leadoff double in the last game of the year and finished at 250 even. [url]http://ultimatemets.com/gamedetail.php?gameno=2607&tabno=A


I remember it. And as a result of that - to this day when I see a .250 average I think -'well, it's respectable'.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 12:43 PM
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I want this guy as far away from the Mets as possible.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 12:47 PM
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I really am feeling really ugly feelings toward this blowhard. How does anybody listen to this guy without going mad?

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 12:47 PM
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Mike F. Baxter with a KABOOM!

Quick, pinch-run for him!

TransMonk
Sep 28 2011 12:48 PM
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KABOOM!

Mike Baxter...1st ML HR!

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 28 2011 12:48 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
I wonder if any pressure to remove Jose came from 'upstairs' (meaning Wilpons more than Sandy).
We've accused this ownership/team of over-caring so to speak about pr moments, round numbers, and the like - which leads one to wonder about whether the quick hook was ordered or at least strongly encouraged on account of having 'a batting champion' being so darn important to someone with some pull.


True! But it's hard for it to be a big PR move if he's not on the team, no?

I think it sucks, but I'm not sure I wouldn't do the same thing in Jose's shoes. If the game meant something, he's probably be in there. If he stayed in and went 0-4 and blew the thing on the last day of the year, it would suck.

metirish
Sep 28 2011 12:50 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
I really am feeling really ugly feelings toward this blowhard. How does anybody listen to this guy without going mad?




wtf have we fans done to get this bollox on the last day?

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 12:52 PM
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First of all, he had a hit, so he wasn't going to go 0-4.

Second of all, there is no victory without honor. And there's nothing honorable about winning a batting title on your ass.

Third of all, you're suggesting this is Jose's initiative, which it may be, but it's Terry's move.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 12:53 PM
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metirish wrote:
Edgy DC wrote:
I really am feeling really ugly feelings toward this blowhard. How does anybody listen to this guy without going mad?




wtf have we fans done to get this bollox on the last day?

Ugh, every half inning he's still there!

I'm killing it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 28 2011 12:55 PM
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Not listening or watching.

soupcan
Sep 28 2011 12:55 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
I really am feeling really ugly feelings toward this blowhard. How does anybody listen to this guy without going mad.


Why? What exactly - Yankees - don't you like? Yankees. The fact that he - Yankees - thinks the Mets should -Yankees - trade Wright, or that he thinks - Yankees - Reyes has played his last - Yankees - game as a Met? Or was it - Yankees - when he implied that - Yankees - the Mets will be worse than both the Marlins - Yankees - and Nationals - Yankees - and will not be near to competing with - Yankees - the Braves or the 'incredibly well-run' Phillies? Yankees.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 12:59 PM
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This Batista kid looks like he has some kind of future ahead of him, huh?

Frayed Knot
Sep 28 2011 01:00 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
metirish wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
It would also fit their usual pattern of doing something for pr reasons only to get hit with a pr shit-storm right back in their face.


This , the Mets are spectacularly good at it.

Which is strange. It suggests that they're not over-concerned with the fan's perception, nor under-concerned. They're just tremendously tone-deaf. (Or they have a fickle fan base, which is probably true enough also.) You'd figure it should be easy enough to fix with a some professional development in the PR department. A retreat or something.


It's the tone-deafness.
They think their fan base wants to say that one of their guys has a batting championship far more than they want to watch that guy win the batting championship.
It's wanting so much to stage the applause moment of the star being pulled from the final game that they do it too soon and step all over that moment.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 01:03 PM
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They paid tribute to Pete Flynn before the game. Nice.

metirish
Sep 28 2011 01:04 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
They paid tribute to Pete Flynn before the game. Nice.



cool, any reason why?, is he actually retiring full time?

Frayed Knot
Sep 28 2011 01:06 PM
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metirish wrote:
Edgy DC wrote:
They paid tribute to Pete Flynn before the game. Nice.



cool, any reason why?, is he actually retiring full time?


Apparently, yes.

Frayed Knot
Sep 28 2011 01:08 PM
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Reds hitters determined not to miss their plane.

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 28 2011 01:16 PM
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I don't think this is necessarily winning it on his ass. He appeared in the last game of the season. It's not like he took the last week or even the last couple days off.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 01:21 PM
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C'mon. If you're on your ass, you're on your ass. How long you've been there is another issue, but it is what is.

And he hadn't put it seemingly out of reach a couple of days ago.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 28 2011 01:21 PM
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Well, doing that (sitting out) could just as easily have hurt his chances as helped them. (And would have hurt his chances, he would have missed those two three-hit games.)

Meanwhile, Terry is letting Batista go for the complete game shutout. (I like those!)

seawolf17
Sep 28 2011 01:22 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
It would also fit their usual pattern of doing something for pr reasons only to get hit with a pr shit-storm right back in their face.


This , the Mets are spectacularly good at it.

Which is strange. It suggests that they're not over-concerned with the fan's perception, nor under-concerned. They're just tremendously tone-deaf. (Or they have a fickle fan base, which is probably true enough also.) You'd figure it should be easy enough to fix with a some professional development in the PR department. A retreat or something.


It's the tone-deafness.
They think their fan base wants to say that one of their guys has a batting championship far more than they want to watch that guy win the batting championship.
It's wanting so much to stage the applause moment of the star being pulled from the final game that they do it too soon and step all over that moment.

I'm with FK on this.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 01:29 PM
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Great game pitched by Terry Leach.

Cool shot of the team coming through the tunnel after the game, Beato still with the pink backpack.

Frayed Knot
Sep 28 2011 01:58 PM
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2:15 - says about all you need to know.

Vic Sage
Sep 28 2011 01:58 PM
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Second of all, there is no victory without honor. And there's nothing honorable about winning a batting title on your ass.
Third of all, you're suggesting this is Jose's initiative, which it may be, but it's Terry's move.


this, and this.

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 28 2011 02:00 PM
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Didn't Nelson Figureora throw a complete game shutout on the last day of the season a couple years ago?

seawolf17
Sep 28 2011 02:05 PM
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Gotta save that bullpen for April.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 28 2011 02:54 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 28 2011 03:05 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
Didn't Nelson Figureora throw a complete game shutout on the last day of the season a couple years ago?


Yep-- 2009. If not for Ollie's... well... existence, we'd have a nice little 4-year closing streak going (and a few more commemorative t-shirts/ticket stubs).

For being kicked off with the 60-feet-of-clay switch-out, it was a pretty pleasant game for those of us who didn't have to deal with Ol' Saccharine Breath's unwelcome vocalizations. The "us" included G-Fafif, tmf, their friend Matt, and Chris Meloni of "Law and Order"/"Oz" fame, all of whom YoungerPooper and I ran into during our stadium-circling (Like any right-minded Metsian, Meloni agreed about Reyes, of course). Baxter's shot spurred a nice round of chanting/handslapping in our Prom section (and landed in the Reds pen, increasing his chances of its wrinkle-free return).

Postgame, Harris was the most gracious Met by a country mile, going back into the dugout several times to retrieve more bats/hats/sweatbands, signing a number of them... and eventually dragging out OhStay for a belated, close-up curtain call.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 28 2011 03:04 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 28 2011 03:20 PM

Come to think of it, I do remember going to the bathroom to change YoungerPooper, catching a little of the audio feed, and thinking, "Why is Ed Coleman being such a dick today?"

HahnSolo
Sep 28 2011 03:11 PM
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I'm at the office and couldn't listen. How obnoxious was Francesa?

metirish
Sep 28 2011 03:17 PM
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HahnSolo wrote:
I'm at the office and couldn't listen. How obnoxious was Francesa?



I didn't hear him but the big fool could hardly have imagined the Mets giving such a storyline to tee off on.

TransMonk
Sep 28 2011 03:29 PM
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Obnoxious is an understatement. I'm not sure why he was even there...all he did was shit on the Mets.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 06:22 PM
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He's just awful.

seawolf17
Sep 28 2011 06:24 PM
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Postgame he was even worse, contradicting himself mid-sentence. "You can't spend all that money on Reyes, because you need that money to address the pitching. But look at the Yankees and Red Sox; they couldn't buy pitching. So you can't buy pitching; you need to develop pitching."

Then I guess we can use that money on Jose, right? I don't get it.

Edgy DC
Sep 28 2011 06:52 PM
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seawolf17 wrote:
"But look at the Yankees and Red Sox; they couldn't buy pitching. So you can't buy pitching; you need to develop pitching."

Hell, he was on about that for three innings during the game. I agree with him and I wanted to punch him in the neck.

Vic Sage
Sep 29 2011 11:42 AM
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of course you can buy pitching.

It's just that it's expensive, because (1) good pitching is scarce, and (2) they generally don't come on the market until they're well established (i.e., older). And with the unreliability (i.e., injury rate) of pitchers, plus the inconsistency of relievers (i.e., standard variations based on small sample sizes), its a high risk/high reward investment, as compared to the relative consistency of hitters.

And while developing your own pitching is frought with that same injury and inconsistency problem, you bear those risks at minor league and non-arb pay rates, making it a more cost effective approach, especially for the Oaklands of the world. But if you're a big market team, that's only an issue for the little guys. You can do BOTH. The fact that it didn't work out well this season for Boston is not evidence of ANYTHING.

Edgy DC
Sep 29 2011 11:47 AM
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Well, the overstatement is why it drove me crazy.