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Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 27 2011 05:10 AM

Will manage the Fish next year in a trade for Chisox minor leaguer, matching wits with White Jerry.

duan Sep 27 2011 05:14 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

that's going to be amusing. Ozzie Guillen is a dick, but kinda fun to observe from relatively close.

metirish Sep 27 2011 05:15 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

Never heard of a manager getting traded,crazy, but suits the man.

Edgy DC Sep 27 2011 05:33 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

The Mets traded for Art Howe. And more famously, for Gil Hodges. Really, he had so much equity in Chicago. How'd he blow it all? And does this foreshadow LaRussa going back to Chicago?

seawolf17 Sep 27 2011 05:36 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

Edgy DC wrote: Really, he had so much equity in Chicago. How'd he blow it all? And does this foreshadow LaRussa going back to Chicago? 2005 was a long time ago. My guess is that his act got old.

metirish Sep 27 2011 05:37 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

Who's Art Howe? I have no memory of trading for him.

bmfc1 Sep 27 2011 05:40 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

metirish wrote: Who's Art Howe? He's Phillip Seymour Hoffman.

Gwreck Sep 27 2011 06:15 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

The [crossout:2zo42kwf]Devil[/crossout:2zo42kwf] Rays traded Randy Winn for Lou Piniella a few years back.

metirish Sep 27 2011 06:30 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

WOW, more common that I would have guessed. Speaking of Lou Piniella, that time he was "certain" to be coming to the Mets IIRC Jose Reyes was going to be sent the other way?

Frayed Knot Sep 27 2011 06:32 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

Edgy DC wrote: The Mets traded for Art Howe. And more famously, for Gil Hodges. The Mets didn't give up anyone for Howe. I remember Beane trying to cook up some scenario where he could get something back but he had no leverage to make it happen. Really, [Ozzie] had so much equity in Chicago. How'd he blow it all? By being Ozzie. And does this foreshadow LaRussa going back to Chicago? Not sure if that would be the first choice of Kenny Williams after he just got rid of one high-maintenance guy.

Edgy DC Sep 27 2011 07:23 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

Frayed Knot wrote: Edgy DC wrote: The Mets traded for Art Howe. And more famously, for Gil Hodges. The Mets didn't give up anyone for Howe. I remember Beane trying to cook up some scenario where he could get something back but he had no leverage to make it happen. There was some compensation, though, wasn't there? Burger King gift certificates or something?

Frayed Knot Sep 27 2011 08:02 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

I don't believe so, no. And how about Howe's last two years in Oakland: 102 & 103 wins and then essentially let go. No wonder Art/Phillip was so grouchy in the movie.

metsmarathon Sep 27 2011 08:12 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

bbref doesn't apprear to indicate any player transactions with oakland that offseason.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 27 2011 08:26 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

Beane sweetened the pot by throwing in a 60-minute cassette tape of his recorded laughter. Ozzie apparently had the leverage to price himself out of the Sox/Williams' comfort zone. He and Kenny stopped getting along some time ago also.

MFS62 Sep 27 2011 08:29 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

IIRC, the Cubs traded their manager to their broadcast team, and the guy came down from the booth to manage the club for the rest of the year. Could have been Charlie Grimm and Lou Boudreau. Later

Ashie62 Sep 27 2011 08:52 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

Edgy DC wrote: The Mets traded for Art Howe. And more famously, for Gil Hodges. Really, he had so much equity in Chicago. How'd he blow it all? And does this foreshadow LaRussa going back to Chicago? Howe was traded for Philip Seymour Hoffman.

Ashie62 Sep 27 2011 08:54 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

duan wrote: that's going to be amusing. Ozzie Guillen is a dick, but kinda fun to observe from relatively close. I'd like it all better of Ozzie stayed in the AL. The Marlins are fucking annoying enough.

TransMonk Sep 27 2011 09:01 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

I like Guillen in Miami more than I would have liked Valentine in Miami.

Lefty Specialist Sep 27 2011 09:03 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

Benjamin Grimm Sep 27 2011 09:04 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

I think the deal with the Mets and the A's for Art Howe involved Oakland saying, "Please take him."

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 27 2011 10:07 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

Ashie62 wrote: duan wrote: that's going to be amusing. Ozzie Guillen is a dick, but kinda fun to observe from relatively close. I'd like it all better of Ozzie stayed in the AL. The Marlins are fucking annoying enough. But they're losing Moist-Shitbox Stadium, and the new one's a question mark in terms of the annoyance-numbers it'll bring to their product lineup. Guillen represents a smart hedging of their new-place bet. Also, having him boss Hanley and Logan Morrison around could be HEE-larious.

metirish Sep 27 2011 10:31 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

If Hanley feeds of his new managers persona then he'll be an even bigger wanker.

Edgy DC Sep 27 2011 10:35 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

Oh, I see them clashing. Hanley being asked to bunt. Refusing. Ozzie calling him a macaque in the press. Stuff like that. We'll see.

smg58 Sep 27 2011 10:49 AM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

Frayed Knot wrote: And how about Howe's last two years in Oakland: 102 & 103 wins and then essentially let go. No wonder Art/Phillip was so grouchy in the movie. It's not like the A's improved in his absence, although I think/hope the loss of Alderson had more to do with Beane's subsequent inability to put together a winner than the loss of Howe. Speaking of Beane not putting a winning team together in a long time, wouldn't it be funny if he gets fired while the movie is still hot in the box office?

Edgy DC Sep 27 2011 12:01 PM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

Will Leitch sums up the ongoing Logan Morrison's Tweets v. the Marlins war at Esquire.

metirish Sep 27 2011 01:40 PM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

Some good stuff in there At the end of our conversation — he was in New York to play the Mets — I asked him if he had to fly back to Florida after that night's game. "Yep," he sighed. "Back to the shithole." It was the kind of jab he'd throw on Twitter. No way the front office is gonna shut him up. No, the worst they can do is ban him from the shithole, send him to the minors, and see if anyone still listens to him Read more: http://www.esquire.com/features/sports/ ... z1ZBRj0BuD

seawolf17 Sep 27 2011 08:48 PM Re: Ozzie Guillen to Marlins

Edgy DC wrote: Oh, I see them clashing. Hanley being asked to bunt. Refusing. Ozzie calling him a macaque in the press. Shit like that. We'll see. Well, we might just wind up with a hole at short. We'll take him.