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The Annual Controversy

Beastie Boys

12 votes

The Cure

10 votes

Donovan

9 votes

Eric B. & Rakim

0 votes

Guns 'N Roses

8 votes

Heart

4 votes

Joan Jett and The Blackhearts

7 votes

Freddie King

2 votes

Laura Nyro

3 votes

Red Hot Chili Peppers

5 votes

Rufus with Chaka Khan

0 votes

The Small Faces/The Faces

5 votes

The Spinners

6 votes

Donna Summer

2 votes

War

2 votes

Edgy DC Sep 27 2011 09:28 PM

Twelve acts nominated for the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame. Pick up to five.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 27 2011 09:37 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

What a load of crap

Ashie62 Sep 27 2011 09:43 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: What a load of crap Truly is, though I gave a vote to Donovan.

Edgy DC Sep 27 2011 09:47 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: What a load of crap Better crop than most years, though I hardly see the point in publicizing the nominees. I didn't like the museum much at all.

sharpie Sep 27 2011 10:40 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

Donovan is the only one I care about.

Gwreck Sep 27 2011 11:21 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

Edgy DC wrote: I didn't like the museum much at all. No? For all the crap I like to give them about how they select the inductees, I though the museum was fantastic. I would vote for none of these artists. I've said it before but the Hall of Fame consistently cheapens itself with the idiotic idea that they have to induct 5 artists every year.

Edgy DC Sep 28 2011 05:40 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

I thought it seemed like the Museum of What Rock Stars Wore. Current Leaders: Guns 'N Roses 3 Joan Jett and The Blackhearts 3 Beastie Boys 2 The Cure 2 Donovan 2

metirish Sep 28 2011 05:47 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

Beastie Boys The Cure Donovan Red Hot Chili Peppers The Small Faces/The Faces Love Guns but they were around for what 6 years?

Fman99 Sep 28 2011 06:22 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

KISS Chicago Rush Alice Cooper Moody Blues E.L.O. Cheap Trick Bad Company Peter Frampton Heart Bon Jovi Journey Foreigner

Gwreck Sep 28 2011 06:31 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

Fman99 wrote: Rush Yes Fman99 wrote: Journey Foreigner You have GOT to be kidding Fman99 wrote: Alice Cooper Already in

metirish Sep 28 2011 06:36 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

Did Bon Jovi get nominated?

Edgy DC Sep 28 2011 07:17 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

metirish wrote: Love Guns but they were around for what 6 years? I'm sure we'd find that most acts in the Rock 'n' Roll HoF did the vast majority of their damage in six years. (In the Baseball HoF also, for that matter).

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 28 2011 07:22 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

I can see Donovan and the Beasties I suppose. Former was a unique voice in the psych/folkrock field with a handful of great songs, latter were funny pioneers who made the Sgt. Pepper of the 80s before pretending they were a funk band all along. I'd sooner Foreigner and Journey than the Chili Peppers, speaking of pretend funk bands.

Frayed Knot Sep 28 2011 07:26 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

I'm going to celebrate this annual controversy by annually not giving a shit.

TransMonk Sep 28 2011 07:28 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

I would choose in this order: Donovan Beastie Boys The Small Faces The Cure Joan Jett & The Blackhearts The first three I can make an argument for. The last two are personal faves, but are only there to get me to five.

HahnSolo Sep 28 2011 07:31 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

Gwreck wrote: Fman99 wrote: Journey Foreigner You have GOT to be kidding I won't go out of my way to defend Foreigner, and I don't think they belong in the R&R HOF, but, their first five studio albums all went multi-platinum, and all hit Billboard's Top 5. Those albums generated 7 Top 10 singles, and another 7 that went Top 40. That should count for something.

Edgy DC Sep 28 2011 07:35 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

Joan embodies what's left of the rock & roll spirit to me. Two guitarists, a bassist, and a drummer play a bunch of four minute songs; sweat a lot; smile; get you to yell, shake, and shimmy; get a on bus' drive to another town, and do it again. Props, sets, pretensions, all out the window. Year after year. If the hall was full of a bunch of those folks, that'd be alright. Meanwhile, let us pause and give a moment (or 6:02) to the as-yet voteless Freddie King: [youtube:onazwfpg]vdyvPg0c6bI[/youtube:onazwfpg]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 28 2011 07:39 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

HahnSolo wrote: Gwreck wrote: Fman99 wrote: Journey Foreigner You have GOT to be kidding I won't go out of my way to defend Foreigner, and I don't think they belong in the R&R HOF, but, their first five studio albums all went multi-platinum, and all hit Billboard's Top 5. Those albums generated 7 Top 10 singles, and another 7 that went Top 40. That should count for something. Foreigner's case for the HOF is the stunning number of candidates you have to include to make a Desert Island Mix Tape poll, which we did at one point. I am still blown away! [url]http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/9900/f2_t9959.shtml Still gotta break that tie

TheOldMole Sep 28 2011 08:33 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

I'm the first person to vote for Laura Nyro and Freddie King. Of course, there are so many really important pioneers left out. Like the Clovers. [youtube:3mwwnzgv]IE5LgdhZBXk[/youtube:3mwwnzgv]

batmagadanleadoff Sep 28 2011 08:51 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

Edgy DC wrote: Meanwhile, let us pause and give a moment (or 6:02) to the as-yet voteless Freddie King: [youtube]vdyvPg0c6bI[/youtube] I'd give Freddie more than a moment. He's at the top of my list among these candidates for induction. He should get in on influence alone. [youtube]rbqtnNorgQA[/youtube]

metsguyinmichigan Sep 28 2011 09:22 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

I wouldn't argue against Foreigner or Journey. How many times a year do you still hear "Don't Stop Believing?" It's become kind of a pop culture thing, with the "Sopranos" and "Glee." It's a big sing-along at Detroit sports events. Foreigner might have been faceless, but it produced a lot more songs I like than many groups already in the Hall. I honestly don't know how they justify not even putting Rush on the ballot. Clearly there's a personal thing there somewhere. But they would seem to meet any criteria you could throw out there -- sales, endurance, box office, musicianship, even a degree of critical acclaim at this point. I just don't know how they can make the argument that they don't even get on the ballot. Guns to me was a one-album band that flamed out, but the Pistols are in the Hall. But if you are looking at one massive album, then throw Frampton on the ballot. I liked the museum. Edgy's right about the clothes, but that was fun to see. I'd go back.

Edgy DC Sep 28 2011 09:33 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

It's all a personal thing. And the persons behind this personal thing are part of Jann Wenner coup. I personally have a lot of trouble sitting through a single F'r'n'r song. So, personally, I thought I'd turn the subject over to the Poolios intstead. We could do a second ballot where we put everybody we think deserves nomination up and admit anybody with a 75% hit rate.

Vic Sage Sep 28 2011 01:31 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

Beastie Boys - started as a punk band, so their success as a hip-hop act doesn't disqualify them. seminal group; influential, successful. yes. The Cure - one of the earliest successful alt-rock bands, but were they ever more than a niche taste? borderline. Donovan - folk rock superstar of the 60s. yes. Eric B. & Rakim - hippity-hopsters. no. Guns 'N Roses - major metal band. HOF? borderline. Heart - gosh, i loved those Wilson girls. how many supersuccessful hard rock bands were fronted by broads? ... Joan Jett and The Blackhearts - ...other than Joan Jett, obviously. If this included her role in The Runaways, then yes. Otherwise, no. Freddie King - blues. no. Laura Nyro - more successful as writer than performer, and most of her work is not in the rock genre. Red Hot Chili Peppers - ugh. they qualify, but god i hated them. The monkees beat them in the CPF music poll! Rufus with Chaka Khan - soul/funk/disco; not rock. The Small Faces/The Faces - major UK modsters, but short-lived in their impact. The Who are HOFers... these guys, less so. borderline. The Spinners - presumably they're talking about the Motown singing group, not the UK band of the same name, but in either case, NO. Donna Summer - The disco queen can suck it. War - 70s funkrockers; maybe if Eric Burden had stayed with them. But no. my top 5: -Beastie Boys -The Cure -Donovan -Heart -Small Faces i can't make a great argument for The Cure, Small Faces, or (least of all) Heart over Guns n Roses, but that's the way i'd vote anyway.

Edgy DC Sep 28 2011 01:42 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

The poll asks for up to five, so feel free to vote for as few as you like.

G-Fafif Sep 29 2011 04:09 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

The Spinners were the heart of '70s R&B. Thrilled to see them considered at last. Excellent career overview documentary here.

Edgy DC Sep 29 2011 05:10 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

An they're just outside the money as the voting now sits: Beastie Boys: 9 The Cure: 8 Donovan: 8 Guns 'N Roses: 6 Joan Jett and The Blackhearts: 6 *** The Small Faces/The Faces: 5 The Spinners: 5 Heart: 4 Red Hot Chili Peppers: 4 Laura Nyro: 3 Donna Summer: 2 Freddie King: 2 War: 2 Eric B. & Rakim: 0 Rufus with Chaka Khan: 0 Chaka may not have been Rock 'n' Roll, but she was a pioneer of whatever she was doing. She certainly belongs in the Zexy Zingers of the Zeventies Hall of Fame. She'd be in the inaugural class, along with Carly Simon and, um, Charo. [youtube:1n6j6pfl]pR--nDR88b0[/youtube:1n6j6pfl] (Hard to not notice how much like a penguin the polling now looks, with the white up front and the black in the back.)

TransMonk Dec 07 2011 08:51 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

Your official 2012 inductees: Beastie Boys Donovan Guns 'n' Roses Laura Nyro Red Hot Chili Peppers The Small Faces/The Faces

metirish Dec 07 2011 08:55 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

I can live with that list, should be interesting when Guns N. Roses take the stage, if they do that is.

sharpie Dec 07 2011 08:58 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

I can live with the list, too. Don't really like RHCP, GNR or Beastie Boys but I acknowledge that many people do. Donovan should've been in a while ago. Laura Nyro wrote some good songs. Small Faces/Faces == Not sure if I like Rod Stewart being inducted twice and too bad Steve Marriott died but OK I guess.

Vic Sage Dec 07 2011 10:33 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

ok group, except i can't really see Laura Nyro getting in over Joan Jett, The Cure or, frankly, even Heart. That she wrote a few good songs doesn't make her a R&R HOFer.

Edgy DC Dec 07 2011 11:04 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

Forum agrees with you there, too. Laura Nyro: friend on the committee. Wonder what kind of back channel work is going on for a reunion of the Appetite-era Gunners in time for the ceremony.

TransMonk Dec 07 2011 12:31 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

So it looks like Tommy Stinson will be the first Replacements member to be inducted into the RNR HOF. To bad it's due to his involvement with Axl Rose.

Edgy DC Dec 07 2011 12:41 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

Maybe. I kinda doubt it. Going back to the Beach Boys, they've had a way of being particular about which members of a band with a rotating door policy get in.

Mets – Willets Point Dec 07 2011 01:11 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

Edgy DC wrote: Maybe. I kinda doubt it. Going back to the Beach Boys, they've had a way of being particular about which members of a band with a rotating door policy get in. So I guess John Stamos still has to buy a ticket.

Fman99 Dec 07 2011 05:24 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

KISS Chicago Rush Moody Blues E.L.O. Cheap Trick Bad Company Peter Frampton Heart The Cars

Gwreck Dec 07 2011 09:09 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

TransMonk wrote: So it looks like Tommy Stinson will be the first Replacements member to be inducted into the RNR HOF. To bad it's due to his involvement with Axl Rose. No way. I'd expect they are inducting the "classic" lineup only: Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy...and the drummer whose name I forget.

Frayed Knot Dec 07 2011 09:12 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

Gwreck wrote: So it looks like Tommy Stinson will be the first Replacements member to be inducted into the RNR HOF. To bad it's due to his involvement with Axl Rose. No way. I'd expect they are inducting the "classic" lineup only: Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy...and the drummer whose name I forget. Stumpy Joe?

Edgy DC Dec 08 2011 04:29 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

Steven Adler, victim of irony. Pretty-haired drummer in the hard rock group that killed the pretty hair band. Kicked out of their junkie-chic hard rock group for actually being a junkie.

G-Fafif Dec 08 2011 04:52 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

Between the Chili Peppers and the Beasties, it's a good day for my childhood friend (on and off from 2nd through 12th grade) who produced their signature work -- though I'm guessing he doesn't care about such mundane things as honors.

Edgy DC Dec 08 2011 06:13 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

You're tight with Rick Rubin? Man, he should be in the RnRHoF himself.

G-Fafif Dec 08 2011 07:09 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

Edgy DC wrote: You're tight with Rick Rubin? Man, he should be in the RnRHoF himself. Our tightness, which was rather loose to begin with, expired about three decades ago, but we had our moments when he was Ricky Rubin and we shared a fondness for Uncle Floyd (whose career may be the only veteran artist's Rick hasn't revived). Can't imagine he won't be in the HOF soon enough. It will indeed be well-deserved -- and he won't wear black tie if he bothers to show at all.

TransMonk Dec 08 2011 07:15 AM Re: The Annual Controversy Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 08 2011 07:22 AM

Rick Rubin is hands down my favorite producer. He makes everything sound good.

Edgy DC Dec 08 2011 07:16 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

Yeah, if you see him, please let him know I'm producer shopping for my demo.

metirish Dec 08 2011 09:25 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

Apparently Robert Smith is all gloomy about not getting in.

Mets – Willets Point Dec 08 2011 09:48 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

metirish wrote: Apparently Robert Smith is all gloomy about not getting in. He'd be gloomy if he got in as well.

seawolf17 Dec 08 2011 09:59 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

Edgy DC wrote: Steven Adler, victim of irony. Pretty-haired drummer in the hard rock group that killed the pretty hair band. Kicked out of their junkie-chic hard rock group for actually being a junkie. And Adler only played on the one record, really (unless you count "Lies" as a record); Matt Sorum was behind the kit for the UYI discs.

Edgy DC Dec 08 2011 10:15 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

I count G'n'R Lies, def. Adler's work on "Patience" was groundbreaking.

seawolf17 Dec 08 2011 10:23 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

Edgy DC wrote: I count G'n'R Lies, def. Adler's work on "Patience" was groundbreaking. There WERE seven other songs on there, you know.

Edgy DC Dec 08 2011 10:31 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

I count G'n'R Lies, def. Don't see why not to count it.

metirish Dec 08 2011 10:34 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

Wasn't it an EP that got re-released after Appetite broke big?

Vic Sage Dec 08 2011 11:46 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

G-Fafif wrote: Edgy DC wrote: You're tight with Rick Rubin? Man, he should be in the RnRHoF himself. Our tightness, which was rather loose to begin with, expired about three decades ago, but we had our moments when he was Ricky Rubin and we shared a fondness for Uncle Floyd (whose career may be the only veteran artist's Rick hasn't revived). Can't imagine he won't be in the HOF soon enough. It will indeed be well-deserved -- and he won't wear black tie if he bothers to show at all. I used to watch Uncle Floyd on UHF channel 68, back in my high school days; went to see him do his show at THE BOTTOM LINE in the Village, sometime in the mid 1980s. He was like a bizarro-world version of Soupy Sales, with a dash of Pee Wee weirdness. It helped to be stoned, i guess.

Mets – Willets Point Dec 08 2011 11:49 AM Re: The Annual Controversy

I haven't though about Uncle Floyd in years. That was a show my sister and I would sneakily stay up late to watch when our parents were not aware. I wonder if it is as good in reality as it is in my hazy memory.

Vic Sage Dec 08 2011 12:48 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

depends on what the THC content was of the haze you saw it through originally.

G-Fafif Dec 08 2011 01:32 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

Vic Sage wrote: I used to watch Uncle Floyd on UHF channel 68, back in my high school days; went to see him do his show at THE BOTTOM LINE in the Village, sometime in the mid 1980s. He was like a bizarro-world version of Soupy Sales, with a dash of Pee Wee weirdness. It helped to be stoned, i guess. That was me (and Rick) over at the next table.

Mets – Willets Point Dec 08 2011 04:21 PM Re: The Annual Controversy

Vic Sage wrote: depends on what the THC content was of the haze you saw it through originally. I watched it as a child. There are a lot of things on tv that seem to appeal to both children and stoned adults.