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Raffy Won't Be Indicted

MFS62 Nov 10 2005 02:56 PM

for perjury before Congress. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2002616125_webpalmiero10.html?syndication=rss "Not enough evidence found" Thoughts? Later

Nymr83 Nov 10 2005 03:04 PM

while unlikely, he could hae taken them unknowingly or knowingly but only after his testimony.

Frayed Knot Nov 10 2005 03:08 PM

Not surprising. They'd have to prove that he not only lied but also that he did so intentionally; ie, that his story about a tainted supplement isn't true. It almost certainly isn't but Congress has better things to do than chase that story down so they can - do what exactly? - to a ballplayer whose career is virtually over on account of his testimony anyway. Considering that the Feds barely had the stomach to punish Conte and the other leaders/distributers of this stuff, I would have been shocked if the gov't finally decides that Raffy Palmiero is the guy they want to make an example of.

Johnny Dickshot Nov 10 2005 04:41 PM

[url]http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/pdf/1110052Palmeirofull.pdf[/url] Download the whole report, if you want. Your tax dollars at work.

Edgy DC Nov 10 2005 04:50 PM

I don't share the opinion that amphetamines are a bigger problem than steroids.

Frayed Knot Nov 10 2005 11:01 PM

Just a longer-lasting and more ignored one.

Edgy DC Nov 10 2005 11:15 PM

Sure, but the notion that greater (and longer) prevelancy=greater problem is easily dismissed. Why, though, in its conclusion, does the committee seem to entertain that notion seriously? ]During this investigation, the Committee learned of information relevant to the policy debate in Congress about the need for federal standards for performance-enhancing drug testing in professional sports. First, the Committee learned that the problem of performance enhancing drugs in Major League Baseball may not be restricted to steroids. The Committee heard from two witnesses —Dan Wheat and a player interviewed as part of the investigation — about theuse of amphetamines was prevalent, and that amphetamines were an even bigger problem in Major League Baseball than steroids. The player who was interviewed indicated that they were used by a number of players, and that their use was widely accepted and considered “part of the baseball world.” He also indicated that on at least one occasion in his career, players had spiked clubhouse coffee with amphetamines.

Frayed Knot Nov 10 2005 11:49 PM

Quite possible that they're using the term "bigger problem" to mean more widely used, not neccesarily more dangerous. "He also indicated that on at least one occasion in his career, players had spiked clubhouse coffee with amphetamines." In several spots in 'If At First' Keith Hernandez mentions getting ready for the game with a "major league cup of coffee". I've often wondered what specifically made a regular cup into a major league cup.

Elster88 Nov 30 2005 10:46 AM

A good line I read in a column on Palmeiro: ]Fact is, I'm pretty upset. Outraged, even. And no, this has nothing to do with a private citizen possibly lying to Congress. Hey, turnabout is fair play Patrick Hruby

Elster88 Jan 12 2006 04:49 PM

The amphetamine crackdown and speculation about its effect on the game: Funny: ]While purists attribute the current barrage of airmailed throws and baserunning gaffes to a lack of fundamentals, there's a different, more cynical read in some baseball clubhouses. When a player gets thrown out by 15 feet trying to stretch a single into a double, it's not uncommon for someone in the dugout to joke, "The greenies must have lied to him." New Rules: Amphetamine Penalties • First positive test: Mandatory additional testing. • Second positive: 25-game suspension. • Third positive: 80-game suspension. • Fourth positive: Commissioner's discretion, with an arbitrator being able to review. In addition, a conviction for possession carries a 15-to-30 game penalty, while a second offense carries a 30-to-90 game penalty. A third offense nets the offender a one-year ban, while a fourth offense equals punishment at commissioner's discretion. If a player is convicted for distribution, he will be suspended 60-to-90 games, while a second offense equals a two-year ban and punishment for a third offense is commissioner's discretion. Testing Frequency A player will be tested during spring training physicals and at least once during the regular season, with additional random testing. Under the previous agreement, each player was tested once from the start of spring training through the end of the regular season, with additional random testing. Both the new agreement and the previous deal provided for offseason testing. Independent Administrator A person not connected to management or the union will schedule and supervise the tests, which currently are administered by a join management-union committee. -- The Associated Press contributed to this report. Full Article: [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=2289509]Kicking amphetamines[/url] By Jerry Crasnick ESPN Insider Archive Here's one potentially positive byproduct of Major League Baseball's new amphetamine crackdown: Hitting the cutoff man actually might become fashionable again. While purists attribute the current barrage of airmailed throws and baserunning gaffes to a lack of fundamentals, there's a different, more cynical read in some baseball clubhouses. When a player gets thrown out by 15 feet trying to stretch a single into a double, it's not uncommon for someone in the dugout to joke, "The greenies must have lied to him." Thirty-six years before Jose Canseco introduced America to the goings-on in clubhouse bathroom stalls, Jim Bouton provided a more enlightened, well-written and entertaining look at baseball's frat-house culture in "Ball Four." Among other things, Bouton detailed the use of amphetamines -- or "greenies" -- as an antidote for everything from hangovers to garden-variety fatigue. Bouton's revelations prompted former commissioner Bowie Kuhn to go ballistic, but for many ballplayers, he was simply stating the obvious. During the Pittsburgh drug trials in the mid-1980s, outfielder John Milner testified that Willie Mays introduced him to a liquid amphetamine known as "red juice." More than a decade later, Tony Gwynn spoke of rampant amphetamine use in the game, and David Wells referred to greenies in his book, "Perfect I'm Not: Boomer on Beer, Brawls, Backaches, and Baseball." Amphetamines have become as much a part of the clubhouse scene as card games and hot feet. In a Kansas City Star story last year, former Royals outfielder Brian McRae recalled how there were always two pots of coffee brewing in the clubhouse -- one conventional and the other laced with stimulants. "I had to make sure I got the unleaded," McRae said. While some medical professionals have observed that amphetamines might heighten an athlete's senses or quicken reaction time, the more commonly held view is that stimulants are performance "enablers" rather than performance "enhancers." The baseball season is a marathon in every sense, with seven weeks of spring training followed by 162 games in six months, interspersed with rain delays, cross-country flights and constant scrutiny to perform. Sometimes players need a kick-start just to roll off the clubhouse sofa and up the dugout stairs. While steroids might help a hitter add muscle or allow a relief pitcher to recover so he can take the mound for three or four straight days, ballplayers use stimulants for the same reason as college students cramming for exams or truckers on long-distance hauls. "It's a get-you-out-there issue more than anything else," said one management official. Amid the furor over steroids, the combination of residual public pressure and well-documented health risks prompted Major League Baseball and the Players Association to address stimulants in the game's new drug agreement. The fallout from amphetamine use can range from nausea and headaches in the short-term to gastrointestinal problems, heart disease and liver or kidney damage over the long haul. How prevalent are amphetamines in baseball? When the Associated Press surveyed 50 major leaguers last year, estimates of usage ranged from less than 10 percent to more than 75 percent. A player agent and a big-league coach, both speaking to ESPN Insider on the condition of anonymity, said stimulants are pervasive in the game. "Typically, a veteran player finds a way to get them and he supplies them to the other guys," the coach said. "In the old days, a player might pop one to get up for a day game after a night game. Now guys use them more and more. They're passed out like candy in the clubhouse." Yet for every player who comes to rely on stimulants and develop a dependence on them, there's a corresponding skeptic. Bouton once ingested a "little red heart" to get up for a game and found the experience so unpleasant that he never did it again. "I was wired, jittery and jumpy," Bouton said. "I hated it. I don't think I pitched well at all. I was so up for the game already, I didn't need any stimulants. I was overstimulated." Houston Astros manager Phil Garner, who played 16 seasons in the majors, briefly tried Dexedrine, a stimulant prescribed for narcolepsy and attention deficit disorder. He took one five milligram tablet before each game as a pick-me-up, but soon found that it disrupted his sleeping and eating patterns and was generally counterproductive. "It becomes a psychological addiction and a crutch," Garner said. "Some guys get on amphetamines and think they can't play without them. But it's just a false sense of security. If you educate yourself and really see what's happening, you find it's a dead-end street." So what will the stimulant ban mean for the product on the field? According to one popular theory, the "iron man" will become obsolete and bench players will assume a more important role. A total of 19 major-leaguers appeared in 160 or more games last season, and 45 players topped 155. Those who derived a lift from their neighborhood pharmacist will have to do it sans help in 2006. Baseball Prospectus writer Will Carroll, an authority on injuries, also points out that fatigue is a contributing factor when players get hurt. So it might be worth checking the disabled lists this season to gauge if there's an impact. The noncynical view is that professional pride should be enough of an incentive for players to take the field. And for the major-leaguer who lacks motivation, the lure of a $10 million-a-year free-agent deal should suffice. Rockies outfielder Matt Holliday told the Denver Post that the amphetamine ban might prompt players to focus more on diet, rest and better conditioning. Bouton, for one, thinks it's a good thing if the new drug agreement makes players reconfigure their lifestyles. "If you need a pep pill because you're living large, maybe you'll cut that back," Bouton said. "Maybe guys will drink less and go to bed earlier. Mix in a salad." Garner is convinced that's already the case. He believes that reports of rampant amphetamine use are overblown and that modern-day players have already become more health-conscious and discerning about what they put in their bodies. "One reason people think it's rampant is that guys who don't use amphetamines haven't stood up and said it," Garner said. "That's sort of been out of vogue. Now it's starting to come into vogue." Under baseball's new drug policy, a positive test result for amphetamine use will result in mandatory additional testing. A second offense triggers a 25-game suspension, and the punishment increases to 80 games for a third failed test. Since amphetamine users aren't likely to encounter the same negative stigma as steroid takers, some players might continue to push the envelope. And if the old high-test solutions are deemed too risky, they'll tinker with alternatives. Maybe there'll be a run on energy drinks such as "Red Bull" or over-the-counter stimulants or coffee. The new drug policy makes no mention of caffeine. Regardless, it's hard to find someone who believes the game will be markedly different in 2006 because amphetamines are forbidden. Purists might actually revel in seeing fewer boneheaded baserunning mistakes or reckless throws from outfielders who are listening to their racing hearts rather than their baseball instincts. "If amphetamines are widespread enough, this is going to affect everybody proportionately," Bouton said. "A fan in the stands isn't going to say, 'Wow, look at these guys without amphetamines -- it looks like a high school game.' That's not going to happen."

Edgy DC Jan 12 2006 05:11 PM

It seems to me that the "fundamental" of hitting the cutoff man has been something people "don't care about anymore" forever. I know there really was a time when people choked up with two strikes. I recall it. But I don't recall the golden age of cutoff men.

KC Jan 12 2006 07:18 PM

I always thought it better described as, "throwing through the cutoff man" - the goal being to throw the ball hard enough and well enough to reach where- ever you're throwing it and also making it manageable to catch for the cutoff man if need be. I'm having Met Maven/Chief Umpire flashbacks here and it's a full moon.

Nymr83 Jan 12 2006 08:21 PM

hitting the cutoff man is in the same category of "dribbling without turning the ball over in your hand"....they just dont do it anymore.

duan Jan 13 2006 05:16 AM

does anyone think that playing on speed could be good? It'd certainly explain all the unnecessary jawing that lots of 'em do.

Willets Point Jan 13 2006 10:36 AM

] "If you need a pep pill because you're living large, maybe you'll cut that back," Bouton said. "Maybe guys will drink less and go to bed earlier. Mix in a salad." This isn't going to fly with the fans/writers who mourn the loss of "larger than life characters." Can you imagine: "Slugger McBride won the annual salad-eating contest on Coney Island consuming 14 bowls of the healthy mix of vegetables in 5 minutes, all washed down with three liters of V8 juice."

Elster88 Jan 13 2006 10:39 AM

]This isn't going to fly with the fans/writers who mourn the loss of "larger than life characters." Jeff Pearlman cracked me up in that book. He prefers a player who pulls out his package and asks a stewardess for a BJ. He's bored by the players who listen to CDs. I think he got beat up a lot in high school.

Edgy DC Jan 13 2006 10:42 AM

And there's the wonderful irony. Pearlman needs John Rocker.

vtmet Jan 13 2006 02:40 PM

Everytime that I see this thread title, my subconscience reads it as "Raffy won't be indUCTed"....(as in, Raffy's in the Pete Rose club)...