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Pujols Wins NL MVP

MFS62 Nov 15 2005 02:07 PM

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051115&content_id=1268475&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb Comments? Later

Rotblatt Nov 15 2005 02:18 PM

How the hell did Jose Reyes get a point? If Jose did, then damnit, Wright had better have gotten one too.

Valadius Nov 15 2005 02:31 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 15 2005 02:39 PM

Mets Players in the MVP voting: David Wright: 1 5th, 1 7th, 2 8th, 2 10th = 18 points Tied for 19th Cliff Floyd: 1 8th = 3 points Tied for 26th Jose Reyes: 1 10th = 1 point Tied for 30th

Rotblatt Nov 15 2005 02:37 PM

Thanks for setting my mind at ease, Valadius! I'm happy Pujols got it, by the way. Technically, I think Derek Lee had a better year, but Pujols deserved the pity vote after losing out to Bonds the last three years.

sharpie Nov 15 2005 02:41 PM

Prolly been some time since 3 Mets got a vote for MVP.

metirish Nov 15 2005 02:47 PM

Congrats to Pujols, maybe if the Cubs didn't fall apart Lee might have got it, but they finished 21 games behind St.Louis.

Nymr83 Nov 15 2005 02:50 PM

he deserved an mvp at some point in the last 4 years, i'm ok with him getting this one, the numbers between him and lee are pretty close and i'm pretty sure lee did alot of his hitting early while pujols was hot down the stretch, i'm not saying thats more than luck but maybe it makes one guy more valuable a player in this given year.

Valadius Nov 15 2005 02:51 PM

I know that in 1999, Robin Ventura, Mike Piazza, and Edgardo Alfonzo finished 6th-7th-8th in the voting. No Met got a vote the last 2 years. I'm checking 2000, 2001, and 2002.

Edgy DC Nov 15 2005 02:54 PM

Going back to 1999 for three Mets getting votes. It's been a long time since one appeared on a ballot. 2004-0 2003-0 2002-0 2001-1 (Piazza, 13th) 2000-2 (Piazza, 3rd, Alfonzo, 15th) 1999-3 (Ventura, 6th, Piazza, 7th, Alfonzo, 8th)* 1998-1 (Olerud, 12th) *Olerud got nothing with a 131 OPS+ and a Gold Glove-quality year, but no Gold Glove.

Centerfield Nov 15 2005 02:54 PM

In other news, unconfirmed reports have said that Pujols' Game 5 HR may have just landed.

Valadius Nov 15 2005 02:56 PM

Put Biff Thunderpants on the scene.

MFS62 Nov 16 2005 03:36 PM

Granted, it was only a 10th place vote, but whoever put Scott Eyre on their ballot should have their voting privileges rescinded immediately. Goodness, the guy got a vote for leading the league in games pitched?! 0 games started, 0 saves, a 2-2 record... a 2.63 ERA that means nothing in the case of left-handed specialists. I might have to look this up... I suppose some closer has probably received a vote with 2 or less wins before, but someone who neither started a game nor recorded a single save.....? Later

Edgy DC Nov 16 2005 03:48 PM

I have no problem with that vote. Saves, as a stat, are over-rated. Many times the game is more saved by the guy who pitched the seventh than the guy who pitched the ninth. Does holding batters --- disproportionately good ones --- to a .200 / .286 / .288 // .574 lline matter?

Zvon Nov 16 2005 03:54 PM

Its funny. Every year Pujols puts up great numbers and is in the running for this award. It feels like he's been around for a long time. But he's only been around 5 years and he is only 25 years old. Remarkable. _________________________________ Note to self: Get Pojols next year in fantasy league, first round.

Centerfield Nov 16 2005 03:56 PM

It seems like just yesterday ambler said the Mets should trade Piazza and Reed for Pujols and Ankiel.

seawolf17 Nov 16 2005 03:58 PM

Yeah, there's no way the Giants would have earned that 3rd-place 71-91 finish without Scott Eyre playing the LOOGY. Gimme a break. I agree with 62.

Zvon Nov 16 2005 04:00 PM

seawolf17 wrote: I agree with 62. On the Eyre thing, yea. Thats just irresponsable voting.

MFS62 Nov 16 2005 05:49 PM

Edgy DC wrote: I have no problem with that vote. Does holding batters --- disproportionately good ones --- to a .200 / .286 / .288 // .574 lline matter? Now that you put it that way (I hadn't seen those splits), I guess a reporter who sees him play every day may consider him to be very valuable to his team. So a tenth place vote may be valid in the voter's mind. EDIT: And, to support your point, look what I found elsewhere: RELIEF PITCHERS W/LESS THAN 10 SAVES WHO HAVE RECEIVED MVP VOTES 2005 - Scott Eyre (1 pt.). Highlights: 2-2, 0 sv, 2.63 era. 1.08 whip. Led league with: 86 appearances. (MVP#T30/CY#--) 2001 - Steve Kline (1 pt.). Highlights: 3-3, 9 sv, 1.80 era. 1.09 whip. Led league with: 89 appearances. (MVP#24/CY#--) 1997 - Arthur Rhodes (5 pts.). Highlights: 10-3, 1 sv, 3.02 era. 1.06 whip. (MVP#T20/CY#--) 1996 - Mariano Rivera (27 pts.). Highlights: 8-3, 5 sv, 2.09 era. 0.99 whip, 10.9 k/9. (MVP#12/CY#3) 1977 - Tug McGraw (2 pts.). Highlights: 7-3, 9 sv, 2.62 era. 1.09 whip. (MVP#24/CY#--) 1975 - Paul Lindblad (7 pts.). Highlights: 9-1, 7 sv, 2.72 era. 1.21 whip. (MVP#T18/CY#--) 1974 - Al Hrabosky (4 pts.). Highlights: 8-1, 9 sv, 2.95 era. 1.23 whip. (MVP#T16/CY#5) 1966 - Jack Sanford (4 pts.). Highlights: 13-7, 5 sv, 3.83 era (league: 3.37). 1.25 whip. (MVP#T21/CY#--) 1962 - Ed Roebuck (2 pts.). Highlights: 10-2, 9 sv, 3.09 era. 1.31 whip. (MVP#T26/CY#--) 1960 - Larry Sherry (2 pts.). Highlights: 14-10, 7 sv, 3.79 era. 1.45 whip. (MVP#T20/CY#--) 1955 - Don Mossi (1 pt.). Highlights: 4-3, 9 sv, 2.42 era. 1.22 whip. 1954 - Hoyt Wilhelm (17 pts.). Highlights: 12-4, 7 sv, 2.10 era. 1.16 whip. Led league with: .750 winning pct. 1952 - Eddie Yuhas (5 pts.). Highlights: 12-2, 6 sv, 2.72 era. 1.38 whip. His career consisted of one other inning. Led league with: .857 winning pct. 1949 - Ted Wilks (8 pts.). Highlights: 10-3, 9 sv, 3.73 era. 1.21 whip. Led league with: 9 saves. 1946 - Earl Caldwell (18 pts.). Highlights: 13-4, 8 sv, 2.08 era. 0.98 whip. Finished 2nd in saves. 1943 - Johnny Murphy (1 pt.). Highlights: 12-4, 8 sv, 2.41 era. 1.09 whip. 1940 - Joe Beggs (19 pts.). Highlights: 12-3, 7 sv, 2.00 era. 1.16 whip. Led league with: 7 saves. 1938 - Mace Brown (62 pts.). Highlights: 15-9, 5 sv, 3.80 (league: 3.78 ). 1.50 whip. Led league with: 51 appearances. 1938 - Charlie Root (3 pts.). Highlights: 8-7, 8 sv, 2.86 era. 1.20 whip. Finished 2nd in both ERA title and saves. 1933 - Dolf Luque (1 pt.). Highlights: 8-2, 4 sv, 2.69 era. 1.17 whip. Also, left off the list were other pitchers who received votes while serving as swing-men or changing roles mid-season. Generally, if it looked like a big win total as a starter helped him, I discounted him as a reliever. Later