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Mark Healey Nov 17 2005 09:14 PM

Aaron's latest: http://www.gothambaseball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1492

Johnny Dickshot Nov 17 2005 11:19 PM

* (avi was here)

Edgy DC Nov 18 2005 01:20 AM

dis·grun·tled adj.: In a state of sulky dissatisfaction af·fa·ble adj.: 1. Easy and pleasant to speak to; approachable. 2. Gentle and gracious: an affable smile.

KC Nov 18 2005 08:50 AM

Does anyone ever make it to the end of these columns? I rarely do. For the most part I find them boring, and they rarely break any new ground. To me, it's just a rung or two higher on the entertainment totum pole as reading a column on what December's weather is going to be, why the author thinks so, and how they'd make it pan out if they were at the switch that controls the weather.

Johnny Dickshot Nov 18 2005 09:41 AM

Opinion columns are very hard things to do well.

KC Nov 18 2005 09:55 AM

I'm having a personal bout with pre-Thanksgiving Mets information overload.

Edgy DC Nov 18 2005 10:16 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Nov 18 2005 10:29 AM

A problem with opinion columns is that you can either re-state the consensus on an item, which is a yawner, or come up with a new angle that runs against the consensus, in which case you had better have your facts lined up, as the consensus builders will tend to have years of equity (in terms of credibility and access) behind their points. Better to write about what others aren't writing about, which is hard, because you often have to sniff out your own story, establish your own facts without borrowing easy references from other writers, and then fairly opine on it.

Elster88 Nov 18 2005 10:16 AM

]Along with Cameron, SD has agreed to take on all of Cameron's salary, a lofty $7 million for 2006. I always thought that taking responsibility for a player's salary in a trade was the rule, not the exception.

Yancy Street Gang Nov 18 2005 10:23 AM

]But will Cameron ever show that type of reckless abandon again? Even if his vision proves to be fully clear, even if physically he's every bit the player he ever was, there's still a mental aspect that cant be confirmed until tested under fire. Will he show hesitation next time he's tracking a ball and hears footsteps? Is he willing to lay himself out for a ball and open himself up to injury again? I did think that this was a good point, and one that I haven't seen brought up a whole lot. I think it's probably true that, because of the injury, Cameron's trade value isn't as high as we'd like to think it is, and quite a bit less than it would have been back on August 10. I agree with Edgy about sports opinion columns being hard to do well. Every aspect of every situation is analyzed to death, and it's rare to see an original opinion that's not insanely implausible.

Johnny Dickshot Nov 18 2005 10:29 AM

It helps to choose an opinion to begin with, which also isn't easily done as said, and doesn't appear to have been done here (disgruntled or affable?) Anyway, Cammy's salary doesn't appear all that outrageous to me, and as pointed out in that other article, service-time bonuses inserted into Nady's contract more than doubled that 480,000 figure last year and presumably would in 06 as well.

Mark Healey Nov 18 2005 02:42 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: It helps to choose an opinion to begin with, which also isn't easily done as said, and doesn't appear to have been done here (disgruntled or affable?) Anyway, Cammy's salary doesn't appear all that outrageous to me, and as pointed out in that other article, service-time bonuses inserted into Nady's contract more than doubled that 480,000 figure last year and presumably would in 06 as well. I think's it's a pretty accurate description of Cameron myself, because he was both for much of his Mets career. As someone who was in the clubhouse and spoke/interviewed Cameron several times, he was a puzzling character.

TheOldMole Nov 18 2005 02:51 PM

] I always thought that taking responsibility for a player's salary in a trade was the rule, not the exception. I figure there are no such rules these days. Everything is open to negotiation.

Willets Point Nov 18 2005 02:55 PM

]Ironically, it was in San Diego's Petco Park, now Cameron's new home field, where he spent his final on-field moments as a Met, flat on his back, broken and concussed. Nothing ironic about it Alanis. Coincidental, maybe, but ironic, no.