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mlbaseballtalk Nov 20 2005 01:15 PM

For no apparant reason I'm just feeling facinated by the fact that there isn't much movement in UMDB's Top 20 All Time rankings so I figured I'd guess why -Keith Hernandez Still visiable with the Mets and the NYC sports scene, course Keith did appear in a very popular Seinfeld episode and remains on the top of fan's list of who should be the next Met retired number (or manager as the case could be some day) -Mike Piazza No explanation needed. One of the true greats of the last 10 years and he spent a soild 8 years as a Met -Dwight Gooden One of the usual suspects when "What could have been..." stories come about. Still came away with a soild MLB career, but constant relapses keep his name in the news -Tug McGraw Hugely popular Met and Phillie, son and daughter-in-law and country music legends. Ya gotta believe Tug will always be remebered -Tom Seaver No explanation needed. Greatest. Met. Ever. Still the only Met player (Hodges doesn't count) with his number retired (and many feel other than Piazza, that should stay that way) -Lee Mazzilli I'm not quite sure if his heart throb status is more a myth propagated by the Met PR staff through the years (from what I hear MFY Bucky Dent was the real dark haired heart throb of the day) but his status as a Yankee coach and Oriole manager lead Maz to still be in the news -Lenny Dykstra The Man They Call Nails like Tug is still a popular Met/Phillie and his current career with TheStreet.com may keep his name in the news -Darryl Strawberry Like Gooden another "What could have been..." tale. Still is the greatest offensive player the Mets ever produced from their system -Howard Johnson Just an insanely popular Met from 10-15 years ago. Would say that he'd probably would rank as the most favorite player of most new Internet users who are Met fans when UMDB went on line back in the Rain Delay Theatre days (that would be college/HS students back in 98) Also current role with the Cyclones keep him in the spotlight -Gary Carter Another popular 86er that is still in the spotlight in one way or another -Ron Darling Another popular 86er that is still in the spotlight in one way or another -Mookie Wilson -Ed Kranepool These two are linked more because they represent to non-Met fans or Met-haters as whom they think are the two most popular Mets of all-time. Wilson is still in the game, and Kranepool is still making apperances and such so that explains their popularity in lookups -Dave Kingman Other than Maz this is the only mid-70's-early 80's Met on this list. I guess he was that popular back in the day, I haven't heard much from the "Kingman For The Hall" groups since the steriod era began in earnest back in the late 80's-early 90's, but I guess Kong still has many supporters -Rusty Staub Through his charity works he is still a visiable ex-Met, and a very popular ex-Met, though its his later run as a PHer that gets him lumped with Wilson and Kranepool as "Who is your greatest player? Ed Kranepool?" type of comments from MFY fans -Kevin Mitchell This is an odd ball as he was pretty much done as a MLBer by the time UMDB went online. I guess stories of his run-ins with the law and various stories (such as the cat story in Gooden's auto-bio) lead him to be a popular lookup -Bobby Valentine Controversial Met manager when UMDB went online (I'm sure the Wharton-gate helped push him in the top 20 to stay), and still very much in the news today as a skipper in Japan. -Willie Mays No explanation needed. The greatest player to every wear a Met uniform, period. No doubt his legend will continue to shine, probably thanks to the steriod era people should look at him, Frank Robinson, Harmon Killebrew, Mike Schmidt, Hank Aaron and appreciate them even more -Jerry Koosman He, McGraw, Kranepool and Seaver are the only 69ners on the current Top 20. While true he is a Met legend, I'm not entirely sure why he in particular he is still on the top 20 -Wally Backman Very popular back in the day, recent minor league managing success and troubles with the Diamondback job keeps him in the news Wonder if any of the following would be in the next 20 or ever were in the top 20 -Joe Torre Current Yankee manager turned pop-culture icon here in NYC for the last 10 years, plus "Safe At Home Foundation" should keep his name viable long after he decides he really had enough of General Steinbrenner -Yogi Berra/Warren Spahn Arguably 2, 3, 4 or even 5 on the "Greatest Player to Ever Play For The Mets Ever" list (Seaver, Mays and Piazza of course make up the rest of that top 5) and Berra has been an American Icon for many, many decades -Duke Snider/Nolan Ryan/Gil Hodges Three of the more popular MLB icons who played with the Mets at some point in their careers. Hodges I'd bet would be bubbling under the Top-20, especially come time for the veterans HOF comittee voting time -Rogers Hornsby/Bob Gibson Along with Willie Mays, Warren Spahn and Yogi Berra they would be "The Greatest Players Ever To Be Met Coaches" Hornsby quite simply is a Top 20, maybe a Top 10 if I started to think about it, all time player, and Gibson is a Top 10 hurlers ever. Not sure if Gibby's lack of involvement in baseball in recent years has something to do with his lack of ranking (this is of course if Yancy's ranking is "players only") -Al Leiter/John Franco Two of the biggest "clubhouse politicians" during the last 10 years, surely their controversial nature would lead to apperances in popular lookups

Yancy Street Gang Nov 20 2005 05:03 PM

For a long time, the top three were, in order, Piazza, Seaver, and Hernandez. It seems strange to me that Seaver would be in fifth place; he really deserves to be number one. He was passed by Tug McGraw when Tug died and by dying generated a huge number of hits. Every time Dwight Gooden gets arrested, he gets a surge. He's on a pace to pass Piazza within a couple of months. Seaver's been gaining on Tug recently, so he may eventually regain fourth place, especially since he hasn't yet played his death card, and Tug has. Kevin Mitchell is on the list because of a mention in July 2004 on ESPN.com of him beheading a cat. He had several months worth of hits in a single day, and it carried over to give him a record-setting week. Wally Backman surged onto the Top Twenty during his DIamondback situation. I can't remember who Mitchell and Backman displaced. I'm thinking it might be two of the following three: Nolan Ryan, Cleon Jones, and David Cone. There's a web site somewhere that holds archived web pages. (MBTN.net once had a link to it, so maybe Johnny knows where it is.) If you found that site, you could put together a partial history of the UMDB top twenty. And no, non-players aren't eligible for the list, although I do track their hits. If they were eligible, Bob Murphy would be in 23rd place. He is, by far, the leading non-player. Of the non-players, the first eight are broadcasters. Of the uniformed guys, Art Howe leads, and he's in 9th place. Davey Johnson is in 12th and Casey Stengel is in 15th. I have a page that's not yet ready for prime time that will show a history of daily leaders as well as monthly leaders. Stay tuned.

Edgy DC Nov 20 2005 05:09 PM

Kevn Mitchell and Howard Johnson probably get a handful of hits a month just by having common names. HoJo probably gets hits of people looking for HoJo's.

mlbaseballtalk Nov 20 2005 05:12 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Kevn Mitchell and Howard Johnson probably get a handful of hits a month just by having common names. HoJo probably gets hits of people looking for HoJo's. Right! Good point.

mlbaseballtalk Nov 20 2005 05:22 PM

By the way, has Rusty Tillman ever had a day as a popular lookup? Speaking of Mets with the same name as someone in the news? Or Brian Giles, Kevin Brown and the "other" Pedro Martinez? Reason for Tillman was that he shares the same name as New York's XFL franchise's coach. The same coach who was "harassed" on the sidelines by Jesse Ventura who was trying to make a WWF angle out of a "feud" between the two. Funny thing was, Tillman wanted nothing to do with it, but Ventura capitialized on it by saying Tillman was "afraid" of Ventura!

mlbaseballtalk Nov 20 2005 05:29 PM

Never mind, I see Tillman never has been but: Brian Giles Brian Giles was the most popular Ultimate Mets Database daily lookup on April 8, 2003, April 9, 2003, December 3, 2004, and December 4, 2004. Hmmm. Only 4 seems abit odd, and back-to-back days since the current Brian Giles has been a B-List star in baseball for quite some time The other Pedro 11 times and Kevin Brown, none, but he does rank in the top 200 though, Steve

Valadius Nov 20 2005 05:38 PM

Found it. It's the Wayback Machine. Here's a link from May 25th, 2002: [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20020312220046/www.ultimatemets.com/roster.php[/url] May 28th, 2003: [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20030503161433/www.ultimatemets.com/roster.php[/url] And June 4th, 2004: [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20040705045644/www.ultimatemets.com/roster.php[/url]

Valadius Nov 20 2005 05:41 PM

You know, I could probably find stuff that was wiped out on the old CPF. What's the URL of the old CPF?

mlbaseballtalk Nov 20 2005 06:03 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: And no, non-players aren't eligible for the list, although I do track their hits. If they were eligible, Bob Murphy would be in 23rd place. He is, by far, the leading non-player. Of the non-players, the first eight are broadcasters. Of the uniformed guys, Art Howe leads, and he's in 9th place. Davey Johnson is in 12th and Casey Stengel is in 15th. I have a page that's not yet ready for prime time that will show a history of daily leaders as well as monthly leaders. Stay tuned. Just a guess on the other 8 broadcasters: Ralph McCarver Nelson Gary Cohen Ed Coleman Fran Healy Howie Rose Ah, I'll say Ted Robinson at 8 due to his announcing gig for tennis Art Howe's recent reign put him ahead of Davey and Casey? Wow! Steve

Rockin' Doc Nov 20 2005 09:37 PM

The old CPF or what's left of it. Best of luck to ya.

Frayed Knot Nov 20 2005 09:51 PM

Billy Wynne was briefly an unusually popular Met lookup.

Valadius Nov 20 2005 10:21 PM

SUCCESS!!! I have recovered a lot of what was once the old Crane Pool Forum. I'll start posting links in the Classic CPF thread.

Edgy DC Nov 20 2005 10:23 PM

Wow! Anyway you can transfer it over to somewhere safe. Yancy, any advice?

Valadius Nov 20 2005 10:46 PM

The access to the various pages is intermittent, as they were at some points preserved at different dates in time. Also, getting at the material is almost like walking through a maze. But we SHOULD be able to preserve a very sizable chunk of what's left of it. I feel proud... almost like I can pay my debts to you guys in creating this place by preserving the old CPF, which I was never a part of... thanks again, everybody.

Valadius Nov 20 2005 11:15 PM

You know, on this same subject... what was the URL of the MOFo? Maybe that could be rescued as well.

mlbaseballtalk Nov 20 2005 11:23 PM

Not 100% sure of this but I think the lineage of this site dates back to the very first Mets site EVER! The late MetsOnline.net which was heading by Bryan Hoch and that might be the MOFO that everyone talks about (MetsOnline was pretty much shut down when for some reason, despite years of unauthorized knowledge of the site's existence, the Mets sent a cease and desist letter. Stuff was cleared up, Bryan moved to a site I think was called NYFansOnly.com which eventually bought the publishing rights to Inside Pitch which Bryan is now editior of) Steve

mlbaseballtalk Nov 20 2005 11:29 PM

Actually it wasn't the Mets, it was MLB that shut it down in 2002: http://web.archive.org/web/20020802224433/www.metsonline.net/metsonline-ceaseanddesist.html ]MetsOnline.net Ordered To Cease & Desist MetsOnline.net site administrator Bryan Hoch -- a 20-year-old college student at the State University of New York at Rockland -- received a cease-and-desist order via electronic mail from Major League Baseball Properties dated July 25, 2002. The e-mail ordered Hoch to deactivate MetsOnline.net and transfer its domain name, as well as all information regarding its operations, to MLBP effective 5 p.m. July 30. The order also threatened Hoch with further legal action to recover “appropriate compensation” for “use of the Mets’ marks.” Note: When Hoch placed a call to a Mets official, he was told that not only that the Mets were unaware of MLBP's actions, but that: "We really appreciate our fan sites, because they promote the game and our product. We hope you'll be able to keep on doing what you've been doing, and that's creating a great resource for Mets fans." * The grounds of the order from MLBP are as follows: "Your registration of www.metsonline.net violates the Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act ("ACPA") (15 U.S.C. § 1125(d)), a federal statute which provides a cause of action to eliminate the practice of those who, with a bad faith intent to profit, register and use the marks of others as domain names. Given that (1) you have no trademark right in the Mets' Marks; (2) your intent in registering www.metsonline.net was to divert consumers from the online location of the Mets to your own; (3) you have intentionally failed to maintain accurate contact information for www.metsonline.net; and (4) the famous nature of the Mets' Marks, it is clear that you have registered and used www.metsonline.net with a bad faith intent to profit. Therefore, your registration and use of www.metsonline.net establishes a violation of the ACPA and other federal and state laws." The truth of the matter, however, is far different. MetsOnline.net does not profit in any way from the service we provide to over 100,000 New York Mets fans who visit the site each week. In fact, any revenue received from advertising goes directly to CIHost.com, our web provider, who charges us a substantial fee for Web hosting and excessive traffic. While we respect the rights of both Major League Baseball and the Mets as trademark owners and profit centers, we do not view MetsOnline.net as a competitor to Mets.com. Rather, we fancy ourselves as a complement. MetsOnline.net offers original editorial content and fan-friendly multimedia extras, the vast majority of which have been submitted by passionate fans interested in advancing popular interest in the Mets. Furthermore, MetsOnline.net has provided links to official MLB Web sites as an additional service to its users (and a potential stream of profits for MLB). It’s also curious why Major League Baseball would find such fault with MetsOnline.net when it has been indirectly supporting the site for several years. Hoch, in fact, was afforded a job opportunity with the Mets during the 2000 season as a direct result of his efforts with MetsOnline.net. He spent that summer working as an unpaid volunteer to help upgrade and maintain Mets.com (prior to MLB's takeover of all 30 Major League sites before the 2001 season) – all the while openly administering the “competing” MetsOnline.net. Additionally, he has since received numerous press credentials to represent MetsOnline.net at New York Mets home games and other events, signifying not only the Mets' acceptance of the site as a legitimate media outlet but also their support for it. A main sticking point of the order is the since-discontinued line of products (including t-shirts, sweatshirts, etc.) that were offered for a brief period on this site, produced by CafePress.com and featuring the MetsOnline.net name but not the logo or writings of the New York Mets or Major League Baseball. While we recognize that this legal claim may have some independent legal merit, it is notable that revenues from such merchandise sales totaled just $16.00 (four orders), $12.00 of which was to Hoch's girlfriend. At the end of the calendar year, Hoch intends to use all remaining proceeds from the site (if any are available) to the Twin Towers Fund (www.twintowersfund.org). Unfortunately, such previous intent would be impossible to prove in a court of law, as it was not stated in print on the site. * MLB Properties' demands are as follows: 1. "Cease and desist from all use of the domain name www.metsonline.net and transfer that domain name to MLBP." * 2. "Cease and desist from all unlawful use of the Mets' Marks and any other indicia that creates the impression that there is an association between your company and the Mets and/or MLBP and confirm to MLBP, in a writing signed by an officer of your company, that it has done so." * 3. "Cease and desist from the sale of unauthorized merchandise featuring the Mets' Marks and fully disclose in writing the extent of your company's sales of this infringing merchandise, including the number of goods sold and the prices at which they were sold, the remaining inventory of the infringing merchandise, as well as the names, addresses and telephone numbers of the supplier(s) of such merchandise." * We intend to collect appropriate compensation for your company's unauthorized use of the Mets' Marks. The exact amount of our demand will depend on the information you provide to us, information we gather from other sources and the extent of your cooperation. Put simply, we believe that Major League Baseball’s insistence that MetsOnline.net violates ACPA simply holds no water – simply because we have never, in six years of operation, held an intent to profit (much less a bad intent to profit!). With the state of the game's affairs as they currently stand, Hoch (and hundreds of fans who have voiced their opinion to him via e-mail) feel that it is unfortunate that Major League Baseball feels that it must go after fan sites that provide nothing more than promotion and love for the game of baseball. MetsOnline.net is prepared to make whatever legal adjustments may be necessary to continue our service and mission statement of providing baseball fans with timely and entertaining reports concerning the New York Mets National League baseball club. This site has never been about making a profit -- it is with the intention of providing a service to fans of the Mets that would only increase their interest and enjoyment of the team. # About MetsOnline.net: Since 1996, MetsOnline.net has provided New York Mets fans with a constant stream of original editorial and multimedia content devoted to their favorite baseball team. The site – which appeared on the Internet before the Mets’ official Web site – was founded by then-14-year-old Bryan Hoch, a native of Sloatsburg, New York. Hoch continues to administer the site to this day, but a team of unpaid writers who cover every angle of the Mets organization (including many that are not covered on mets.com) has since joined him. The site averages 10,000-15,000 visits per day and has been featured/cited in the Wall Street Journal, Newsday, MSNBC television, ESPN.com and the New York Daily News, among other media outlets and sources. The site has organized public events including two "Field Trip" outings to Shea Stadium in 2001 and 2002, and a well-attended "MetsOnline Night" at Mets manager Bobby Valentine's Queens-based restaurant earlier in July. # Further info regarding Bryan Hoch: Hoch, 20, is a resident of Sloatsburg, New York, where he resides with his parents and brother, Shawn, 16. He is currently a full-time college student at SUNY Rockland, majoring in liberal arts, and is also employed as a free-lance journalist, appearing regularly as a baseball columnist in the Rockaway Wave of Long Island (www.rockawave.com) and as a periodic contributor to New York Mets Inside Pitch, the club's official newspaper. His past experience includes work as a writer and site maintainer for Mets.com. He can be contacted via e-mail at bryanhoch@metsonline.net. Well, it had a good run though, but sometimes one door closes, another opens... Steve

mlbaseballtalk Nov 20 2005 11:36 PM

Well, it WAS on EZBoard, oh the irony... And 1) can't locate its remains on ezboard (which reminds me, hey Yance, the old board is still linked on your site) and 2) when you plug in what the actual URL was it looks like it was moved to MetsOnline.net months after the shutdown!

Frayed Knot Nov 20 2005 11:39 PM

"The late MetsOnline.net which was heading by Bryan Hoch and that might be the MOFO that everyone talks about" Yes it was. MOFO was simply a nickname for the forum part of the site: Mets Online FOrum The forum existed in numerous forms and software sites over several years so there wouldn't be just one url for old relics. "Stuff was cleared up, Bryan moved to a site I think was called NYFansOnly.com" Bryan pretty much just abandoned his site after the legal hassles. The forum part was taken over by someone else who has now named it 'New York Sports Day' which is the closest linear successor to the old MoFo. NYFO is a different site.

mlbaseballtalk Nov 20 2005 11:43 PM

Heh, Now I think I recall that forum. I may have used my regular username there SteveJRogers (or some variation) instead of mlbaseballtalk which is used to keep my baseball related subscriptions under the same email. I'm sure I was there for some time, probably not much of an impression though... Steve

Valadius Nov 20 2005 11:45 PM

Maybe this is a variation of the MOFo, circa July 2002: [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20020724210832/http://blackhole.upinhere.com/~metsonline/metsonlinefanforum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=3[/url] Look, there's ABG.

mlbaseballtalk Nov 20 2005 11:50 PM

By the way, I'm trudging through the last recorded page of the old MOFO fourm and can only get the pages of topics except for a handfull on the front page

Valadius Nov 20 2005 11:54 PM

I'm finding the same problem.

mlbaseballtalk Nov 20 2005 11:56 PM

Yeah, its like the first 6 years of Mets talk on the Internet is gone forever! sniff...

mlbaseballtalk Nov 21 2005 12:13 AM

How about this for a flashback The original home for Ultimate Mets Database when Yancy was sharing a site dedicated to Christy Mathewson called Rain Delay Central! [url]http://web.archive.org/web/19990427081122/http://www.leaptoad.com/raindelay/mets/index.shtml[/url]

mlbaseballtalk Nov 21 2005 12:15 AM

Hey even in the formitive stages Yancy's site was deemed worthy of John Skilton's praise: The Ultimate Mets Database was named "Link of the Week" by John Skilton's Baseball Links for the week beginning October 25, 1999.

mlbaseballtalk Nov 21 2005 12:20 AM

Man, I remeber surfing at some of these sites back in 96-97, God I'm feeling old, and I'll be having my 10th year HS reunion coming up Friday night!

Rockin' Doc Nov 21 2005 07:29 AM

Valadius - "Maybe this is a variation of the MOFo, circa July 2002:" That is a later version of the MOFO. The Crane Pool was up and running by that time and was approaching it's first anniversary. Most of us were still posting on the MOFO, albeit less frequently than in the past. Bryan was still running the MOFO, but had by this time relinquished most of the moderating duties to a few of the members. The cease and desist letter from MLB arrived around this time. It seemed to finish Bryan's transition away from the site he had started and run for so long.

SI Metman Nov 21 2005 03:35 PM

Yeah, I tried recovering the MOFO from the Metsonline era, but it was limited to about 10 threads. What's left of it is on various disks held by current and former cpf'ers (and what was posted on the old cpf)

SI Metman Nov 21 2005 03:38 PM

also, your MOFO era's. I think at the time of the close it was VBBulletin. It was EZboard for about a year and a half maybe mid-2000 to late 2001. The current MOFO briefly switched away from VBBulletin in 2003, but we've been strong on that format since June '03 which is a record considering all of the forum changes when Bryan ran the site.

mlbaseballtalk Nov 21 2005 06:00 PM

By the way, as far as I can tell, the first (and probably still the best) old fashioned Mets Listserv style mailing list is the one on AOL's Listserv still going strong for almost 10 years now Not sure about ONElist/Yahoo/whatever mailing lists, I've been on some of those (Amazin@groups.yahoo.com is probably the biggest/oldest) And I'm sure rec.sports or alt.sports whatever is still chugging as a newsboard So what was the reason for creating CPF? Just a clean break from MOFO? By the way, I love how this started as a disscussion of why the 20 most popular lookups at UMDB are that way to a history of the Internet Met Community! Steve

Edgy DC Nov 21 2005 09:45 PM

The original place was created for hardcore addicts to retreat to when trolls were attacking. Then MOFo got hit with something worse than trolls --- hostile fools. So we retreated full-time. So don't be a hostile fool.

Willets Point Nov 22 2005 09:51 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Then MOFo got hit with something worse than trolls --- hostile fools. So we retreated full-time. Elitist!

Willets Point Nov 22 2005 09:59 AM

This was the link of the Mets Online Forum at ezboard by the way: http://pub19.ezboard.com/bmetsonline I don't remember the MOFO nickname catching on until after I stopped participating there (which was fall of 2001).

Valadius Nov 22 2005 11:13 AM

I've got that one working somewhat as well! New York Mets Forum, Circa October 2001: [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20010813103329/pub19.ezboard.com/fmetsonlinenewyorkmets[/url] It seems that it had also moved to metsonline.net by November 2, 2001.

Yancy Street Gang Nov 23 2005 07:30 AM

This week the UMDB has seen two old-timers win the daily prize for the first time. Jay Hook was the leading lookup a few days ago, on his birthday, and yesterday it was Harry Chiti.

Yancy Street Gang Nov 30 2005 10:27 AM

UMDB lookups history

Edgy DC Nov 30 2005 10:34 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 30 2005 10:40 AM

[url=http://ultimatemets.com/lookups.php?MonthNum=10&year=2003]October 2003[/url], Don Zimmer gets thrown to the grown by Pedro and is number one for seven straight days. Lee Mazzilli, his brother on the Yankee bench, shows mercy by interviewing for and getting hired as Baltimore's manager and displacing Don for the next two weeks. That all makes sense. Now tell me how Tom Gorman and Dicky Gonzalez entered into it.

Yancy Street Gang Nov 30 2005 10:36 AM

It looks like Dicky was rewarded for having a birthday. Tom Gorman I can't explain.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2005 10:45 AM

Hey, you changed the All-Time Roster page. Nice. Here's a question. You have Rey Ordóñez all decked out respectfully with the spanish characters in his name. Is there any thought to retrofitting the names of guys like Edwin Nuñez with the tildes that Major League Baseball denied them? Serious baseball historians have forsaken the past oversights and mistakes and now refer to Honus Wagner as John Wagner. Why not restore the names of guys like Edwin?

Yancy Street Gang Nov 30 2005 10:50 AM

Edwin Nuñez I also fixed some opposing Nuñezes: one Vladimir, two Joses, and two Abrahams. John Wagner is more correct than Honus? I would have thought it was the other way around. (Like when Roberto Clemente was referred to as "Bob.")

Yancy Street Gang Nov 30 2005 10:51 AM

And we can add "Honus" to the list of nicknames that would be better than "Nightcrawler" for Billy Wagner.

Elster88 Nov 30 2005 10:54 AM

Wagner has a nickname already. It's Billy. Does anyone call him Wags?

Edgy DC Nov 30 2005 10:58 AM

Wow, I type it and it happens. Yeah, Honus was apparently just a bad job by a sportswriter recording the Johannes tag his parents gave him. History shows he and his teammates referred to him as John.

mlbaseballtalk Nov 30 2005 12:20 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: And we can add "Honus" to the list of nicknames that would be better than "Nightcrawler" for Billy Wagner. Just a fair warning, I may have to do some BAMPF-ing every IGT when Wagner gets the save! HAHAHAHA

ScarletKnight41 Nov 30 2005 12:23 PM

Isn't Wagner's intro music Enter Sandman? If so, then he should be The Sandman, IMO.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2005 12:24 PM

Burning All My Porn Files? Braying At My Pastor's Family? Being A Magificent Partridge-type Family? Brandishing A Mike Piazza Fantasy?

Elster88 Nov 30 2005 01:36 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: Isn't Wagner's intro music Enter Sandman? If so, then he should be The Sandman, IMO. How about we just call him "Billy Wagner"?

Yancy Street Gang Nov 30 2005 01:43 PM

Makes sense to me. It is, after all, his name.

seawolf17 Nov 30 2005 01:43 PM

But then nobody gets to put a "created by" line in their signature.

Yancy Street Gang Nov 30 2005 01:43 PM

That's another plus.

OlerudOwned Nov 30 2005 03:27 PM

seawolf17 wrote: But then nobody gets to put a "created by" line in their signature. Says who? ________ Creator of "Billy Wagner"

Edgy DC Nov 30 2005 03:29 PM

Can we be 3.2% original and be the team that doesn't send their closer out there to "Enter Sandman"?

Elster88 Nov 30 2005 03:40 PM

OlerudOwned wrote: ="seawolf17"]But then nobody gets to put a "created by" line in their signature. Says who? ________ Creator of "Billy Wagner" I created Billy Wagner. I'm going to sue your ass. ________ Creator of "Billy Wagner"

Edgy DC Nov 30 2005 03:50 PM

Other tildes that jump to mind among Met opponents are the Cedeños --- Andujar and Cesar joining Roger in the Astro Cedeño Trinidad. There are Peñas out there, also, including the Mets' own Alejandro.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2005 03:56 PM

And while I'm on this annoying tip, it occurs to me that "José" is more correctly spelled with an accented é. That may or may not be the way all such players would have it, but here's José Cruz, Jr.'s autograph, and I imagine his dad spelled it the same way:

Yancy Street Gang Nov 30 2005 04:04 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Other tildes that jump to mind among Met opponents are the Cedeños --- Andujar and Cesar joining Roger in the Astro Cedeño Trinidad. There's also Ronny Cedeño, who I don't think I'd ever heard of.

metirish Nov 30 2005 04:06 PM

Wagner is known to all (even Jimmy Plummer) as Wags...

Edgy DC Nov 30 2005 04:07 PM

And if you really want to have fun, list the names of Asian-born players parenthetically in the characters of their native lands: Takashi Kashiwada: 柏田 貴史 Satoru Komiyama: 小宮山 悟 Kazuo Matsui: 松井 稼頭央 Hideo Nomo: 野茂 英雄 Tsuyoshi Shinjo: 新庄 剛志 Shingo Takatsu: 高津 臣吾 Masato Yoshii: 吉井 理人

Yancy Street Gang Nov 30 2005 04:07 PM

Edgy DC wrote: There are Peñas out there, also, including the Mets' own Alejandro. 13 guys named Peña: +----------+-----------+ | Peña | Alejandro | | Peña | Hipolito | | Peña | Tony | | Peña | Bert | | Peña | Geronimo | | Peña | Jim | | Peña | Angel | | Peña | Orlando | | Peña | Wily Mo | | Peña | Jose | | Peña | Roberto | | Peña | Carlos | | Peña | Brayan | +----------+-----------+

Yancy Street Gang Nov 30 2005 04:07 PM

Edgy DC wrote: And if you really want to have fun, list the names of Asian-born players parenthetically in the characters of their native lands: Takashi Kashiwada: 柏田 貴史 Satoru Komiyama: 小宮山 悟 Kazuo Matsui: 松井 稼頭央 Hideo Nomo: 野茂 英雄 Tsuyoshi Shinjo: 新庄 剛志 Shingo Takatsu: 高津 臣吾 Masato Yoshii: 吉井 理人 Nahhh.

Elster88 Nov 30 2005 04:08 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Nov 30 2005 04:08 PM

Don't forget Ishii! _____________________________ This post had the designation 112) Bruce Boisclair

seawolf17 Nov 30 2005 04:08 PM

Didn't know Edgy spoke Japanese, did you? He amazes us every single day.

seawolf17 Nov 30 2005 04:08 PM

Elster88 wrote: Don't forget Ishii! No, we can forget Ishii.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2005 04:10 PM

Good job, brother. You'll also fine accented é's in guys named Andrés.

Elster88 Nov 30 2005 04:12 PM

seawolf17 wrote: Didn't know Edgy spoke Japanese, did you? He amazes us every single day. Typing in Japanese may be even more impressive.

seawolf17 Nov 30 2005 04:13 PM

Not if you have one of these.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2005 04:16 PM

Not that it matters, as Yancy has drawn a cultural/digital line in the sand, but Kazuhisa Ishii is 石井 一久. I always have trouble drawing that next-to-last character. This stuff is fascingating 石 is a focusing eye with a brow over it 井 is a strike zone. 一 is a pitch in rapid motion. 久 is an opposing batter walking to first.

Yancy Street Gang Nov 30 2005 04:16 PM

Fixed the Josés too. There were 58 of them, and only three already had the accent. And I even fixed the middle names of Richard Hidaldo, Alex Escobar, and Al Pedrique.

Yancy Street Gang Nov 30 2005 04:18 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Not that it matters, as Yancy has drawn a cultural/digital line in the sand, but Kazuhisa Ishii is 石井 一久. I always have trouble drawing that next-to-last character. This stuff is fascingating 石 is a focusing eye with a brow over it 井 is a strike zone. 一 is a pitch in rapid motion. 久 is an opposing batter walking to first. All I'm seeing are little boxes.

Willets Point Nov 30 2005 04:19 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Not that it matters, as Yancy has drawn a cultural/digital line in the sand, but Kazuhisa Ishii is 石井 一久. I always have trouble drawing that next-to-last character. This stuff is fascingating 石 is a focusing eye with a brow over it 井 is a strike zone. 一 is a pitch in rapid motion. 久 is an opposing batter walking to first. Post of the day. Or post du jour in keeping with the multicultural aspects of this thread.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2005 04:23 PM

Really? Did you see the characters in my other Sino-English posts?

Yancy Street Gang Nov 30 2005 04:29 PM

Nope, just boxes. Maybe I don't have the necessary fonts on my PC?

Edgy DC Nov 30 2005 04:39 PM

Other accented spanish names I discovered (including some I never heard applied to a ballplayer, but who knows) here: ÁLVARO BARTOLOMÉ CÉSAR CONCEPCIÓN CRISTIÁN ESTÉBAN GERMÁN HÉCTOR JERÓNIMO JESÚS JULIÁN MARÍA (Some players may have it as a middle name, though that's more of a Euorpean and Brazilian thing.) MARTÍN MOISÉS NICOLÁS PÍO PLÁCIDO RAMÓN RÉGULO ROLDÁN RUBÉN SALOMÓN TEÓDULO TEÓFILO TOMÁS TRISTÁN VALENTÍN VENCESLÁS ZACARÍAS

Edgy DC Dec 02 2005 08:48 PM

Willie Montañez has got to have a tilde.

Edgy DC Dec 05 2005 10:18 PM

Pete Falcone's been number one. What's going on there?

Valadius Dec 12 2005 07:19 PM

We have movement in the Top 20 as Jerry Koosman edges Willie Mays for 18th.

Yancy Street Gang Dec 30 2005 04:54 PM

Huge month for Jeff Reardon. He may even be the yearly leader based on his one big day on December 27. Anyway, some new and improved UMDB features for 2006: New: Ballpark Stats for players. Improved: Player Stats vs. Opponents