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Sherman lays it on a little thick
metsguyinmichigan Oct 10 2011 08:55 AM |
Through undaunted determination, Posada became a switch-hitter and switched to catcher; a combination that forged a borderline Hall-of-Fame career and also provided the backdrop to his 2011 campaign. After the 2010 season, the Yankees informed Posada -- against his wishes -- that he was no longer a catcher; so tired had the organization grown in his fading receiving talents. The same fierce pride that enabled Posada to adapt to being a catcher made him resolute that his defensive abilities remained intact.
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86-Dreamer Oct 10 2011 10:39 AM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
I couldn't make it through the whole article, but I think it is fair to describe his career as "borderline" Hall of Fame. He was a very good hitting catcher for a long time. But lets make sure writers don't try to sneak him across the border...
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Fman99 Oct 10 2011 01:35 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
Sherman is a borderline writer. Laying it on that thick, you'd think at least I'd get some fucking pancakes with all that syrupy goo.
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metirish Oct 10 2011 01:59 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
Fuck Posada, although I am sure the writers will get him to the HOF, he always struck me as a chronic complainer type, that fucking look on his face I can still see it as he walks away from the batters box.
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Frayed Knot Oct 10 2011 03:44 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
Lays it on a bit thick perhaps but I think the gist of the article is on: a later-round pick who also got a late start at his position yet built a very nice and lengthy career out of it. I think he'll fall short of HoF but he'll get some support.
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Edgy MD Oct 10 2011 05:17 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
He also caught a perfect game before anybody (including many Yankee fans) even knew his name.
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dgwphotography Oct 10 2011 06:25 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
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I do have to say that I have much more grudging respect for Posada than I ever did Mr. Intangibles...
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themetfairy Oct 10 2011 06:33 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
That's Captain Intangibles to you.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 10 2011 09:39 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 10 2011 10:23 PM |
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If he hadn't retained his offensive production past the PDA "testing" line-o'-demarcation, I'd agree a hundred percent with your assessment. He's put up Steve Garvey numbers wearing the tools of ignorance (mind you, wearing them about as awkwardly as Piazza, only with a slightly-less-embarrassing arm). He kindasorta HAS to be in.
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MFS62 Oct 10 2011 09:42 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
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That face is probably the biggest reason why I dislike him. He looks just like my cousin. My cousin is not only an arsehole, but a YLDB as well. I try to ignore him at family gatherings. (actually, I try not to invite him, but somehow he finds out about them) Speaking of ignore, Jorgie has some pretty good numbers for a catcher that will be hard for HOV voters to totally ignore. Later.
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Ceetar Oct 10 2011 09:47 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
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So what you're saying is... Hope someone leaks something about him before he's eligible.
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MFS62 Oct 10 2011 10:05 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
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Videos of Jorge, Jeter and Chipper betting on baseball games would suffice. LOL! Later
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Vince Coleman Firecracker Oct 10 2011 10:23 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
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Hmmm... Of his contemporaries, his career looks a lot more like Jason Kendall's than Piazza's or Rodriguez's. I think you can find enough support to justify keeping him out, if you want to (and I want to).
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 10 2011 10:33 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
I meant defensively (hence, "wear the tools"). And as poorly as Fangraphs WAR does defense for most positions... it does so trebly for catchers. IIRC, it doesn't even include a real defensive measure because of the noise around defensive chances for backstops.
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Ashie62 Oct 11 2011 12:12 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
I take "Posada's fierce pride" to mean simply an unwillingness to give up a paycheck, like everyone else.
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metsmarathon Oct 11 2011 12:54 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
if you use fangraphs' WAR, posada comes in at 11th best catcher of all time. ahead of him are the names you would expect - bench, fisk, pudge, carter, berra, piazza, bill dickey, mickey cochrance, ted simmons, and gabby hatnett. of those names, neither pudge nor piazza are yet eligible, but are expected, whispers and suspicions aside, to sail into the hall of fame. only ted simmons is unenshrined.
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Edgy MD Oct 11 2011 01:07 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
Before Bench, the Hall of Fame had a very different standard for catchers. They were expected to bat eighth, earn their paycheck on defense, and any offense was a bonus. And a rare one at that.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 11 2011 01:51 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
Ted Simmons should be in there. But then, this is an imperfect world.
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Frayed Knot Oct 11 2011 01:54 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
Without looking into too deeply, I'd say that Simmons is a pretty good comp for Posada: a switch-hitting, offense-over-defense catcher who played second (or third) fiddle to some true HoF guys in his time.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 11 2011 01:59 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
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This gets them a bump on my ballot (Simmons more than Posada, who's just kind of unsettling, like a fun-house mirror). I like funny pictures in my imaginary hall, and I imagine the imaginary children visiting it will like 'em even more.
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Edgy MD Oct 11 2011 02:32 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
Ted Simmons, photographed in more or less the same spot at Shea as everybody else in 1976.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 11 2011 02:43 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
Still, he looks princely. Valiant, almost.
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Ashie62 Oct 11 2011 05:17 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
Does Posada get extra credit for WS rings?
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Edgy MD Oct 11 2011 06:00 PM Re: Sherman lays it on a little thick |
You say "Ted Simmons," and my almost immediate response is "Darrell Porter!"
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