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Sillie Phillie Quiz
Edgy MD Oct 18 2011 11:42 AM |
I stumbled over an article somebody wrote about the 25 Best Relievers in Phillies History. While it's just one unknown guy's opinion, I thougth it might be fun to test your knowledge of who Danny Ozark, Charlie Manuel, Dallas Green, and Mayo Smith have been signaling for all these years.
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 18 2011 11:53 AM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
How about Kent Tekulve at 10?
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Ceetar Oct 18 2011 11:54 AM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
I doubt I'd be able to name 5 on the list,but hey..
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 18 2011 11:56 AM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Steve Bedrosian was a Phillie, wasn't he? I'll guess him at 8.
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Edgy MD Oct 18 2011 11:57 AM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
25 .
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 18 2011 11:59 AM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Yeah, this is too hard so I'm just trying to remember 25 Phillies relievers. Here are my top 16
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Edgy MD Oct 18 2011 12:10 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
25.
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sharpie Oct 18 2011 12:13 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
#3: Jose Mesa
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Ceetar Oct 18 2011 12:13 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Wagner, 5.
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Edgy MD Oct 18 2011 12:14 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Great job. Funny how many of these guys made an impact but I far more associate them with other teams. Holland and Reed are Phillies all the way in my head. But Tekulve is a Buc, Bedrock and Garber are Braves, Slocumb is a freaking Mariner (and a Bronte hero), and McGraw is naturally a Met.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 18 2011 12:14 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
I got 1, 2 4 and 7 on the nose? Holy shit, I win!!
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Edgy MD Oct 18 2011 12:16 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Ceetar looking to climb back into the race by bullseyeing Wagner.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 18 2011 12:17 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
20. Tom Gordon
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Edgy MD Oct 18 2011 12:21 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
25.
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metirish Oct 18 2011 12:22 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Hamels
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Edgy MD Oct 18 2011 12:23 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
The rest are all going to be hard, all but one or two really hard.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 18 2011 12:30 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Fun Fact: Ron Reed also played two seasons in the NBA for the Pistons.
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 18 2011 12:37 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Jim Konstanty, 20?
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dinosaur jesus Oct 18 2011 12:44 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Jack Baldschun.
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Edgy MD Oct 18 2011 12:49 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
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Dino J., I need a ranking for your guess.
That's a fun fact!
I learn something new each and every day, especially from Benji Grimm, who whacks his way into second. What I don't need to learn any more is not to understimate Ben. Jim Kostanty (1944, 1946, 1948-1956, Phillies 1948-1954). He had 54 Phillie saves retroactively credited to him, led the league in games once, games finished twice, and threw as many as 152 innings (1950) in relief. What a bullseye! 25. 24. 23. 22. 21. 20. Jim Kostanzy (25 points for Ben Grimm) 19. Jose Mesa (9 points for sharpie) 18. 17. Flash Gordon, King of the Impossible (22 points fof JC Lunchbucket) 16. 15. 14. Ricky Bottalico (24 points for JC Lunchbucket) 13. Roger McDowell (21 points for JC Lunchbucket) 12. Ryan Madson (16 points for JC Lunchbucket) 11. Al Holland (24 points for JC Lunchbucket) 10. Brad Lidge (24 points for Ceetar) 9. Steve Bedrosian (24 points for Ben Grimm) 8. Kent Tekulve (23 points for Ben Grimm) 7. Mitch Williams (25 points for JC Lunchbucket) 6. Heathcliff Slocumb (19 points for JC Lunchbucket) 5. Billy Wagner (25 points for Ceetar) 4. Gene Garber (25 points for JC Lunchbucket) 3. 2. Ron Reed (25 points for JC Lunchbucket) 1. Tug McGraw (25 points for JC Lunchbucket) Not Ranked: Willie Hernandez, Mike Jackson, Bruce Ruffin, Alejandro Pena, Dennis Cook, Jeff Gray Standings 1. John Cougar Lunchbucket (176) 2. Ben Grimm (62) 2. Ceetar (49) 4. sharpie (9)
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 18 2011 12:58 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
I know of Jim Konstanty because he was a real anomaly; a relief pitcher winning the NL MVP award in 1950! That wouldn't happen again for another 25 or 30 years.
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metirish Oct 18 2011 01:09 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
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Hamels 25 Turk 23
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Edgy MD Oct 18 2011 01:10 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Sorry to miss those two. Not to be smart, but I'm going to have to ask for full names.
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metirish Oct 18 2011 01:11 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Colbert Michael Hamels 25
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 18 2011 01:15 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Oh, I know why you're asking for names. The Phils had another reliever named Turk. Turk Farrell? I'll say he's the 23
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metirish Oct 18 2011 01:17 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
See what I did there Edgy?, I inspired a choice from Bucket.
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Edgy MD Oct 18 2011 01:35 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Thanks for cooperating. Unfortunately, Hamels and Wendell are both miscues
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 18 2011 01:36 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
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Remind me to never invite you to my self-serve smorgasbord buffet luncheon. What a hog.
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metirish Oct 18 2011 01:37 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
I really feel I should be like -10 or something.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 18 2011 01:47 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
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I thought I was doing it wrong and everyone would be guessing 25.
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Edgy MD Oct 18 2011 02:35 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
I'll fill in the blanks, but keep in mind we're still missing one Metly guy here.
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TransMonk Oct 18 2011 02:50 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Corey Lidle?
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Edgy MD Oct 18 2011 02:57 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
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Not Corey.
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seawolf17 Oct 18 2011 04:00 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Throwing a bunch of guesses at #23.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 18 2011 04:21 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
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So take 10 more guesses. All in the same post. From the leftovers, I go with my Phillie relievers from my kid Strat-O-Matic days, Dick Selma and Joe Hoerner, and throw in Don Carman, who was unhittable in '85. Selma's the Met, I suppose.
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Gwreck Oct 18 2011 05:09 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Rheal Cormier
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dinosaur jesus Oct 18 2011 06:06 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Sorry I wasn't paying attention before. Jack Baldschun, 23.
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Edgy MD Oct 18 2011 06:30 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
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Coming up empty, I'm sorry to say. Holland was correct, but has already been guessed. Standings 1. John Cougar Lunchbucket (196) 2. Ben Grimm (62) 2. Ceetar (49) 4. sharpie (9) 5. Transmonk (-10) 6. Metirish (-20) 7. seawolf (-30)
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Edgy MD Oct 18 2011 07:04 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
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Since this whole "Guess the slot for more points and more fun!" thing isn't catching on with the wld popularity our focus group predicted for it. I'm going to assume you all guessed these guys as number 23. Selma is correct at number 25. He pitched in 73 games over 134.1 innings for a 2.75 ERA in 1970, and was progressively hurt and worse thereafter, but he earned enough value to chart in that one season. Little Joe Hoerner, on the other hand, is the mystery number three. He was everything in the early seventies Tug McGraw was for the Mets in the early seventies, sowmewhere between an ace and a hoss. He was traded mid-season in 1972, immediately started sucking, and bounced suckily around the league for a few years, before returning to Philadelphia in 1975. There, he somehow put up a last gilded season at 38, before moving on to other points and continuing to decline. Something in the Philadelphia water. Carman was a good guess. He followed his lovely 1985 with a darn solid season as a swingman in 1986. But I guess he comes in just short. Rheal Cormier was rheal dependable in LOOGy duty in 2003, a little less so in 2004, and not so much at all in 2005, but very good again in 2006. I'd've included him, but you know. LOOGys don't get enough outs in the denominator to impress the computers. JC Romero: same problem, only moreso. Eighty one games but only 59 innings? Really? Didn't cut it. Maybe our ranker just hates the LOOGys and the interminable seventh innings they create. Gwreck is wise, but not in the money this evening. Baldshun is a guy I never heard of until today, and therefore wouldn't have guessed under the deepest of duress. Relief ace of the early sixties, he got progressively more saves every season, finishing his five year Phillie tenure with 59. Then his arm went south early as it frequently did with relievers of his era. Sorry, Jack. But that answer clocks in at number 15 on our countdown. Good show. 25. Dick Selma (23 points for batmagadanleadoff) 24. 23. 22. 21. 20. Jim Kostanzy (25 points for Ben Grimm) 19. Jose Mesa (9 points for sharpie) 18. Turk Farrell (20 points for JC Lunchbucket 17. Tom Gordon (22 points fof JC Lunchbucket) 16. 15. Jack Baldshun (18 points for dinosaur jesus) 14. Ricky Bottalico (24 points for JC Lunchbucket) 13. Roger McDowell (21 points for JC Lunchbucket) 12. Ryan Madson (16 points for JC Lunchbucket) 11. Al Holland (24 points for JC Lunchbucket) 10. Brad Lidge (24 points for Ceetar) 9. Steve Bedrosian (24 points for Ben Grimm) 8. Kent Tekulve (23 points for Ben Grimm) 7. Mitch Williams (25 points for JC Lunchbucket) 6. Heathcliff Slocumb (19 points for JC Lunchbucket) 5. Billy Wagner (25 points for Ceetar) 4. Gene Garber (25 points for JC Lunchbucket) 3. Joe Hoerner (5 points for batmagadanleadoff) 2. Ron Reed (25 points for JC Lunchbucket) 1. Tug McGraw (25 points for JC Lunchbucket) Not Ranked: Willie Hernandez, Mike Jackson, Bruce Ruffin, Alejandro Pena, Dennis Cook, Jeff Gray, Cole Hamels, Turk Wendell, Cory Lidle, Charlie Hudson, Kip Gross, Wayne Twitchell, Don Carman, Rheal Cormier, JC Romero Standings 1. John Cougar Lunchbucket (196) 2. Ben Grimm (62) 3. Ceetar (49) T4. batmagadanleadoff (18) T4. dinosaur jesus (18) 5. sharpie (9) 6. Transmonk (-10) T7. Metirish (-20) T7. Gwreck (-120) 9. seawolf (-30)
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MFS62 Oct 18 2011 09:27 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 18 2011 09:28 PM |
Starters used to relieve, too.
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MFS62 Oct 18 2011 09:28 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Sorry, dupe.
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Edgy MD Oct 18 2011 09:45 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Not enough to rank in the top 25. Roberts had 67 relief outings for 121 innings for a 2.97 ERA over his career, including his post-Phillies life. Pretty good, but not much more than a more typical reliever's season's worth of work.
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Edgy MD Oct 19 2011 07:38 AM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
OK, let's see. We have five guys left: a Thirties Phillie a Phorties Phillie, a Phiphties Phillie, an Eighties Phillie who returned in the Nineties, and a Nineties Phillie who lasted until the Aughts.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 19 2011 08:04 AM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
If Tug McGraw's worth 25 points, then Hoerner and Baldschun are worth 1,000, just for the naming. And another thing ... who the hell made this list? How the hell is Don Carman not in the top 25? Carman's numbers are at least as good as 15th ranked Baldschun's and 14th ranked Bottallico's (the only two Phils I compared Carman to) and probably better.
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Edgy MD Oct 19 2011 08:08 AM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Well, gosh, Wally. It's only a game.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 19 2011 08:38 AM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
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Larry Andersen? (Say, 23)
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Edgy MD Oct 19 2011 08:50 AM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Larry Andersen is eighties/nineties guy indeed. I'll leave this up an open to inspired guesses for an hour or so before I pull the curtain away on our remaining Phillie bullpenners.
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Edgy MD Oct 19 2011 12:25 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Our last four hotshots, all from the pre-Met era:
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seawolf17 Oct 19 2011 12:28 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
Pretty sure you made up all four of those guys.
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Edgy MD Oct 19 2011 12:31 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
I don't remember Wayne Gomes at all. Surely he did something memorable against the Mets.
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 19 2011 12:33 PM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
The name Wayne Gomes rings a bell with me. I think I could have told you that he was a baseball player, but I wouldn't have known he was a Phillies pitcher.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 20 2011 11:46 AM Re: Sillie Phillie Quiz |
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I do remember Gomes, but that's only because I was in Philly when he was brought up to the majors AND knew a few Phils diehards who had their eggs in his basket.
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