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Darryl Strawberry Award

Edgy MD Oct 20 2011 07:48 AM

Please vote for your top five Mets outfielders of 2011. They will be awarded five points for each first-place vote, four for each second-place vote, etc. He with most points after a week is awarded the 2011 Crane Pool Forum Darryl Strawberry Award for Outstanding Mets Outfielder. By my count, 11 Mets and ex-Mets toiled in the great green expanse while garbed in Metly colors this season: Mike Baxter, Jason Bay, Carlos Beltran, Lucas Duda, Nick Evans, Scott Hairston, Willie Harris, Fernando Martinez, Daniel Murphy, Angel Pagan, and Jason Pridie. Please vote so we may honor the most esteemed of the Mets' ballhawks. Note that many of our eligible players also played other positions. In voting, please consider only the performance of the players in question that occurred while they were outfielding. Their numbers below represent only their contributions as outfielders. As always, I ask for promotional support on the Twitterverse and Facebook. Outfielder Batting Player G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE Mike Baxter 11 32 26 5 6 0 1 1 3 0 0 5 8 .231 .375 .344 .719 11 0 1 0 0 0 0 Jason Bay 122 509 444 59 109 19 1 12 57 11 1 56 109 .245 .329 .374 .703 166 8 2 1 6 3 7 Carlos Beltran 91 402 337 61 98 29 2 14 63 3 0 59 58 .291 .396 .513 .909 173 9 2 0 4 5 3 Lucas Duda 44 177 151 23 40 8 0 6 26 1 0 18 28 .265 .350 .373 .723 66 3 5 0 3 1 1 Nick Evans 9 22 21 2 4 2 0 0 3 0 1 1 9 .190 .227 .273 .500 6 0 0 0 0 0 1 Scott Hairston 30 88 83 12 22 7 0 4 15 1 1 4 17 .265 .307 .307 .614 27 1 1 0 0 0 1 Willie Harris 42 142 121 18 32 8 0 2 12 3 2 20 32 .264 .373 .303 .676 43 2 1 0 0 3 2 Fernando Martinez 3 9 9 1 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .333 .333 .444 .778 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 Daniel Murphy 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Angel Pagan 121 529 475 68 124 24 4 7 55 31 7 44 62 .261 .322 .373 .695 177 4 1 4 5 4 7 Jason Pridie 63 207 184 21 45 10 3 4 19 5 1 19 57 .245 .308 .382 .690 17 0 0 0 1 1 0 Outfielder Fielding =#FF0000](See Glossary of Terms Below) Leftfielder G GS CG Inn Ch PO A E DP Fld% Rtot Rtot/yr Rtz Rof Rdrs Rdrs/yr Rpm Rof Rhr RF/9 RF/G Mike Baxter 3 0 0 5.0 2 2 0 0 0 1.000 0 24 0 0 1 240 1 0 --- 3.60 0.67 Jason Bay 122 121 114 1053.1 226 220 4 2 1 .991 -5 -6 -5 0 -1 -1 -6 3 2 1.91 1.84 Carlos Beltran Lucas Duda 4 4 1 29.0 3 3 0 0 0 1.000 0 -10 0 0 1 41 1 0 --- 0.93 0.75 Nick Evans 1 0 0 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 --- 0.00 0.00 Scott Hairston 10 4 3 48.1 11 10 0 1 0 .909 -2 -55 -2 0 0 0 0 0 --- 1.86 1.00 Willie Harris 33 26 19 241.1 48 48 0 0 0 1.000 -5 -25 -5 0 -3 -15 -2 -1 --- 1.79 1.45 Fernando Martinez 1 0 0 1.0 1 0 0 1 0 .000 -1 -708 0 -1 0 0 0 0 --- 0.00 0.00 Daniel Murphy 1 0 0 2.0 1 1 0 0 0 1.000 0 0 0 0 -1 -600 -1 0 --- 4.50 1.00 Angel Pagan Jason Pridie 13 7 6 67.0 10 10 0 0 0 1.000 1 16 1 0 -1 -18 -1 0 --- 1.34 0.77 Centerfielder G GS CG Inn Ch PO A E DP Fld% Rtot Rtot/yr Rtz Rof Rdrs Rdrs/yr Rpm Rof Rhr RF/9 RF/G Mike Baxter Jason Bay Carlos Beltran Lucas Duda Nick Evans Scott Hairston 10 8 2 59.1 17 17 0 0 0 1.000 2 50 2 0 -1 -20 -1 0 --- 2.58 1.70 Willie Harris 7 3 1 31.0 9 9 0 0 0 1.000 0 2 0 0 1 39 1 0 --- 2.61 1.29 Fernando Martinez Daniel Murphy Angel Pagan 121 119 113 1045.0 317 302 5 10 1 .968 -17 -19 -12 -4 -1 -1 1 -2 --- 2.64 2.54 Jason Pridie 43 32 29 312.2 88 85 1 2 0 .977 0 -1 1 -1 2 8 2 0 --- 2.48 2.00 Rightfielder G GS CG Inn Ch PO A E DP Fld% Rtot Rtot/yr Rtz Rof Rdrs Rdrs/yr Rpm Rof Rhr RF/9 RF/G Mike Baxter 10 7 5 68.0 11 10 1 0 0 1.000 -2 -29 -3 1 1 18 0 1 --- 1.46 1.10 Jason Bay Carlos Beltran 91 91 82 790.1 155 150 4 1 2 .994 -3 -4 -3 0 5 8 3 2 --- 1.75 1.69 Lucas Duda 42 38 31 335.1 74 72 1 1 0 .986 -12 -41 -10 -1 -8 -29 -8 0 --- 1.96 1.74 Nick Evans 8 4 1 45.0 9 9 0 0 0 1.000 0 12 0 0 -2 -53 -2 0 --- 1.80 1.13 Scott Hairston 15 11 4 85.1 18 17 0 1 0 .944 -3 -42 -3 0 -2 -28 -1 -1 --- 1.79 1.13 Willie Harris 6 3 1 22.1 6 6 0 0 0 1.000 -1 -60 -1 0 -1 -54 -2 1 --- 2.42 1.00 Fernando Martinez 3 2 2 17.0 4 4 0 0 0 1.000 0 8 0 0 -1 -71 -1 0 --- 2.12 1.33 Daniel Murphy Angel Pagan Jason Pridie 21 6 5 84.2 26 25 1 0 0 1.000 0 2 -1 1 1 14 1 0 --- 2.76 1.24 G -- Games Played or Pitched. GS -- Games Started. CG -- Complete Game. Inn -- Innings Played in Field. Ch -- Defensive Chances. (Putouts + Assists + Errors). PO -- Putouts. A -- Assists. E -- Errors Committed. DP -- Double Plays Turned. Fld% -- Fielding Percentage. (Putouts + Assists) / (Putouts + Assists + Errors). Rtot -- Total Zone Total Fielding Runs Above Avg. The number of runs above or below average the player was worth based on the number of plays made. This number combines the Rtz, Rdp, Rof, Rcatch numbers into a total defensive contribution. Rtot/yr -- Total Zone Total Fielding Runs Above Avg per 1,200 Inn. The number of runs above or below average the fielder was worth per 1,200 Innings (approx 135 games). This number combines the Rtz, Rdp, Rof, Rcatch numbers into a total defensive contribution. Provided by BaseballProjection.com Rtz -- Total Zone Fielding Runs Above Avg. The number of runs above or below average the player was worth based on fielding plays made. This number does not include OF kills, or double plays turned. Rof -- Total Zone Outfield Arm Runs Above Avg. The number of runs above or below average the player was worth based on baserunner kills and baserunner advances. Rdrs -- BIS Defensive Runs Saved Above Avg. The number of runs above or below average the player was worth based on the number of plays made. This number combines the Rpm, Rbdp, Rbof, Rbcatch numbers into a total defensive contribution. Rdrs/yr -- BIS Defensive Runs Saved Above Avg per 1,200 Inn. The number of runs above or below average the fielder was worth per 1,200 Innings (approx 135 games). This number combines the Rpm, Rbdp, Rbof, Rbcatch numbers into a total defensive contribution. Rpm -- BIS Plus/Minus Fielding Runs Above Avg. The number of runs above or below average the player was worth based on fielding plays made. This number does not include OF kills, or double plays turned. Rof -- BIS Outfield Arm Runs Above Avg. The number of runs above or below average the player was worth based on baserunner kills and baserunner advance. Rhr -- BIS Outfield HR Saving Catches. The number of runs above or below average the player was worth for catches robbing batters of home runs. RF/9 -- Range Factor per 9 Inn. 9 * (Putouts + Assists) / Innings Played RF/G -- Range Factor per Game. (Putouts + Assists) / Games Played

Ceetar Oct 20 2011 07:52 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Beltran Duda Pagan Bay Hairston

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 20 2011 07:52 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Beltran Bay Duda Pagan Harris

Edgy MD Oct 20 2011 07:54 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

I realize those defensive stats must look like a lot of noise, but check it out. Bay, despite playing with the Great Wall of China behind him half the time, had our only two home-run pullbacks on the year. I seem to remember another one... Harris?

Gwreck Oct 20 2011 08:00 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Beltran Duda Hairston Pagan Pridie

TransMonk Oct 20 2011 08:05 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Beltran Bay Duda Pagan Harris

Frayed Knot Oct 20 2011 08:16 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Beltran Pagan Bay Duda Harris

Benjamin Grimm Oct 20 2011 08:44 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Beltran Bay Duda Pagan Harris

Benjamin Grimm Oct 20 2011 08:46 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Schaefer wrote: Beltran Pagan/Bay (tie) Duda Harris

Vic Sage Oct 20 2011 08:49 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Beltran Bay Pagan Duda Harris

RealityChuck Oct 20 2011 08:49 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Beltran Duda Pagan Pridie Bay

Vic Sage Oct 20 2011 08:57 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Gwreck wrote: Beltran Duda Hairston Pagan Pridie Pridie over Bay? Really? Isn't that just flaunting an agenda in the face of reality? Are you seriously suggesting that Pridie contributed more to the Mets OF this year, with his .390 OPS and 17TB in 200+ PA, then Bay did with a .700+OPS, 166TB in 500+PA? Even factoring in superior defense, there is no reasonable argument for either Pridie (OR Hairston for that matter) over Bay, except your pre-season expectations and the size of Bay's contract, neither of which have anything to do with assessing his actual production. Look, i'm not a Bay fan, and i'm disappointed in him, too, but this is an exercise in which we should all be using our own best judgment, not just beating dead horses.

seawolf17 Oct 20 2011 08:59 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Beltran Pagan Bay Duda Pridie Pretty sure Pridie did not have an .082 SLG, as the chart indicates.

Edgy MD Oct 20 2011 09:01 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Yeah, I got some code missing there.

Edgy MD Oct 20 2011 09:08 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Vic Sage wrote: Gwreck wrote: Beltran Duda Hairston Pagan Pridie Pridie over Bay? Really? Isn't that just flaunting an agenda in the face of reality? Are you seriously suggesting that Pridie contributed more to the Mets OF this year, with his .390 OPS and 17TB in 200+ PA, then Bay did with a .700+OPS, 166TB in 500+PA? Even factoring in superior defense, there is no reasonable argument for either Pridie (OR Hairston for that matter) over Bay, except your pre-season expectations and the size of Bay's contract, neither of which have anything to do with assessing his actual production. Look, i'm not a Bay fan, and i'm disappointed in him, too, but this is an exercise in which we should all be using our own best judgment, not just beating dead horses. While I agree with this, that OPS was way off. That should be a .690 for Pridie.

Vic Sage Oct 20 2011 09:35 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

well ok then. thanks for correcting the data. i think my point is still valid.

Gwreck Oct 20 2011 10:37 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

I make no secret of my dislike for Bay but I think it's a defensible choice to leave him off in favor of Pridie: Bay's WAR: 0.6 Pridie's WAR: 0.6

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 20 2011 10:42 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Gwreck wrote: I make no secret of my dislike for Bay but I think it's a defensible choice to leave him off in favor of Pridie: Bay's WAR: 0.6 Pridie's WAR: 0.6 Yabbut even then, Bay's got him on all the counting stats, the rate stats and the playing time.

Edgy MD Oct 20 2011 10:46 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Fangraphs has it: Bay --- 0.7 Pridie --- 0.5

Gwreck Oct 20 2011 10:52 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I make no secret of my dislike for Bay but I think it's a defensible choice to leave him off in favor of Pridie: Bay's WAR: 0.6 Pridie's WAR: 0.6 Yabbut even then, Bay's got him on all the counting stats, the rate stats and the playing time. I thought the WAR was supposed to normalize for that. Pridie rose to the same level of mediocrity as Bay, he just did so over a shorter amount of time.

Vic Sage Oct 20 2011 11:03 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Gwreck wrote: I make no secret of my dislike for Bay but I think it's a defensible choice to leave him off in favor of Pridie: Bay's WAR: 0.6 Pridie's WAR: 0.6 okay, but even if you're going just by WAR, Hairston had 0.2, as did Pagan. So i don't think you were going just on WAR. I think you should just acknowledge that your inclusion of both Hairston and Pridie over Bay was simply a matter of your anger at Bay for his continued falling short of expectations and sucking up contract resources, and not really based on an objective assessment of which OFers contributed most to the Mets this year. And that's your prerogative, of course, but you should expect to be called on it.

Gwreck Oct 20 2011 11:19 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

You're right, I wasn't going strictly by WAR; I merely offered it as one consideration. Again, I'll admit to disliking Bay (as a baseball player) and have no problem being called on that. If there was some sort of absolute objective measure of the Mets' outfielders then there would be no point to this excercise because we'd all vote the same way.

metsmarathon Oct 20 2011 11:39 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Beltran 93 Bay 85 Pagan 81 Duda 39* Harris 41* *i've only approximated duda's and harris's scoring here, as i don't have my own breakout by position. by scaling down my "marathon points" by OF playing time, harris has a slight edge, but i'm bumping duda up to better account for reality. duda's offensive production is almost certainly worth more than the 6 runs he gives up to harris on defense. plus it's my proprietary data. i'm allowed to fudge it if i want to! the ranking would remain the same if i accounted for lucas duda as a complete player and willie harris as a complete player. duda scored 78 total mp's to harris' 56, 4th and 5th among players i consider our 2011 outfielders.

Edgy MD Oct 20 2011 11:41 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

One thing about WAR. Whether you use it or not, respect it or not it is designed to measure the player's contribution in toto. This thread asks you to measure their offensive and defensive contributions as outfielders alone, and some of these guys' WAR points represent their contributions as pinch-hitters or as infielders. With Hairston and Harris, that would seemingly be meaningful.

Frayed Knot Oct 20 2011 11:44 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 20 2011 11:50 AM

Edgy DC wrote: With Hairston and Harris, that would seemingly be meaningful. And Duda. I didn't rank him in the top 5 on the IF list and low on the OF because he only had 100 and change ABs as each. But when we get around to the 2011 Rankings Project his total contribution is what matters and then he could very well jump ahead of several of the guys I put him behind here.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Oct 20 2011 11:49 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

m.e.t.b.o.t. has made the following determinations regarding the relative worth of the 2011 metropolitan outfielders: beltran bay pagan duda hairston

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 20 2011 11:57 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Hey, whaddaya know? Beltran Bay Pagan Duda Hairston

G-Fafif Oct 20 2011 12:11 PM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

1. Beltran 2. Pagan 3. Bay 4. Duda 5. Harris

Ashie62 Oct 20 2011 05:20 PM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Beltran Duda Pagan Bay Harris

Benjamin Grimm Nov 07 2011 09:41 AM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

metirish Nov 07 2011 01:12 PM Re: Darryl Strawberry Award

Beltran Bay Pagan Duda Hairston