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Waddaya Call It?

Edgy MD Oct 20 2011 08:29 AM

A guy reaches over the fence and grabs a ball apparently destined to be a homerun. It's one of the most exciting and signature plays in the game, but what do you call it? When it's happening, the player is said to "rob (Batter's Name) of a homerun." But what is the play called as a noun or noun phrase when recollected and discussed? "Has Shinjo ever had a... homer-catch-thingy?" You strike a guy out, you get a strikeout. You steal a base, you get a stolen base. In baseball, actions become nouns for recollection and tabulation. A "Homerun Theft" Is brief enough, but a little awkward and formal and suggestive of something underhanded about a play that's all about skill and effort and has nothing to do with deviousness or scheming. It only gets 71 hits on Google. A "Pullback" is descriptive enough but sort of understates the heroic scale of the thing. This gets 15,000,000 hits, but how many are about baseball? It's financial definition is the only one cited in the dictionaries I consulted. Do you have a term? Do we need a term? Should we coin a term? [youtube]YaxpAkOWNM0[/youtube]

Ceetar Oct 20 2011 08:33 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

an Endy.

Centerfield Oct 20 2011 08:33 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

An Endy. On Edit: DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT. MUST TYPE FASTER.

Edgy MD Oct 20 2011 08:37 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Not a good bet for universal adoption, but I'm on board.

Centerfield Oct 20 2011 08:43 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

It's crazy the Mets didn't win that game. I thought for sure we were going to the World Series after that catch. Especially after they loaded the bases in the bottom of that inning. Many remember the Beltran called strike three. It kills me to think of that Valentin at-bat.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 20 2011 08:44 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

YES a million times, it was fucking Valentin.

Centerfield Oct 20 2011 08:53 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

It should have been a bases clearing double. That was what the '06 Mets did. Then Endy came up, and I thought "Well I guess this is just going to be the Endy Chavez game." When they failed to score, I got a real bad sinking feeling.

Ceetar Oct 20 2011 09:43 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Centerfield wrote: It's crazy the Mets didn't win that game. I thought for sure we were going to the World Series after that catch. Especially after they loaded the bases in the bottom of that inning. Many remember the Beltran called strike three. It kills me to think of that Valentin at-bat. That catch, especially if the Mets won it all, would've gone right up there with like, Buckner. Same with the Ventura Grand Single. instead they stay at 'Pujols off Lidge' status, which is still pretty nice, but..

Edgy MD Oct 20 2011 09:50 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

I've read Met fans declare that they hate seeing the catch replayed because of it's associations.

Ceetar Oct 20 2011 09:52 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Edgy DC wrote: I've read Met fans declare that they hate seeing the catch replayed because of it's associations. I didn't see the catch for about a year after it happened. Although Gary Cohen's play-by-play of it was one of the possible start up sound bytes for MLB The Show 2007 the next year, so that reopened the wounds a bit.

TransMonk Oct 20 2011 09:54 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Rob Job.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 20 2011 10:19 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Damn near forgotten about the Valentin bases-loaded K. Wish I could watch that whole game again. Was a nervous wreck & fairly certain I was fairly buzzin' for most of it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 20 2011 10:25 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Jesus. They walked Shawn Green to get to you, and this is what you do.

Centerfield Oct 20 2011 10:27 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Just awful. I didn't realize it was a Rolen error that opened the door. How poetic that would have been. Damnit, they should have won that fucking game. Fuck fuck fuck.

metirish Oct 20 2011 10:29 AM Re: Waddaya Call It? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 20 2011 10:30 AM

I was confused , I saw Valentin and thought John Valentin was on the Mets in 2006?.....but it's Jose.

Edgy MD Oct 20 2011 10:30 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

People's goatly focus on Beltran and Heilman and Randolph (for not bunting with Floyd or sending Glavine up there to pinch-hit) is just mis-applied. Floyd and Valentin where the key whiffers. Which is whatever. It's a team game. But Floyd joining in the piling on of Randolph after the fact was weak.

Centerfield Oct 20 2011 10:40 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Yes, exactly. This is not meant to scapegoat anyone. But if you're going to cry about turning points, this is the one to cry about. I loved the fact that Willie let Floyd hit. I said at that time that for that moment, WWSB became Wild Willie Big Balls. Unfortunately it didn't last.

Vic Sage Oct 20 2011 10:49 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

HR grab, HR snatch, HR steal or if you like alliteration: homer haul-in, homer heist

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 20 2011 10:50 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

yeah for me the Valentin thing was where we blew it. That turn at bat was exactly the kind of crap the Mets started giving us that September and it continued until they fired WWSB 21 months later. I didn't have much faith in Floyd coming though as I recall it but it would have been cool.

Gwreck Oct 20 2011 10:55 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Fuck Valentin, the problem with this series was Steve Trachsel phoning it in for Game 3. That is where things went off track. We should've never even been in a Game 7 with a clearly inferior team.

Edgy MD Oct 20 2011 10:58 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Whoah. Homer by Suppan.

TransMonk Oct 20 2011 10:59 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Gwreck wrote: ...the problem with this series was Steve Trachsel phoning it in for Game 3... I was seconds away from posting this...although, the offense also phoned in Game 3.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 20 2011 11:05 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

The painful IGT, complete with Rogers' shitty lyrics and Ashie behaving like a douchebag at the end. [url]http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/5000/f14_t5019.shtml

HahnSolo Oct 20 2011 11:10 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Trax did poop his pants, but in fairness, I don't think any Met pitcher was outpitching Suppan that night.

metirish Oct 20 2011 11:18 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The painful IGT, complete with Rogers' shitty lyrics and Ashie behaving like a douchebag at the end. [url]http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/5000/f14_t5019.shtml Damn, read it over, that was exhilarating and then the worst kind of sinking feeling ever......all over again.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 20 2011 11:34 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: yeah for me the Valentin thing was where we blew it. That turn at bat was exactly the kind of crap the Mets started giving us that September and it continued until they fired WWSB 21 months later. I didn't have much faith in Floyd coming though as I recall it but it would have been cool. Was it, like, a 3-pitch K? Anyone remember? John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The painful IGT, complete with Rogers' shitty lyrics and Ashie behaving like a douchebag at the end. [url]http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/5000/f14_t5019.shtml That thread went to total shit at the end. Felt like we were doomed from Limp Bizkit. What about our gushing love for Ollie? Oliver's Army?? Plans for post-game (or in-game) sex so that you can have a first-born and name him Oliver??? Yes, please.

Frayed Knot Oct 20 2011 11:39 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Was it, like, a 3-pitch K? Anyone remember? 5-pitches. It was a 1-2 count so there must have also been a 2-strike foul in there somewhere*. Endy then flew out (more like a pop IIRC) on the first pitch. * oe: Ball - Foul - Swinging Strike - Foul - Swinging Strike

Gwreck Oct 20 2011 11:45 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

5 years already and I still can't stop thinking about this game. I still am positive we would have won the World Series. In fairness to Valentin, he did get the leadoff single in the 9th when we had a critical need for baserunners. I still believe as much now as I did then that Cliff was going to hit a homer and become an all-time Mets legend. While most of what happened between the Catch and Molina is a blur to me, I clearly remember the 9th and bunting with Glavine never crossed my mind for a second.

Vic Sage Oct 20 2011 11:57 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

the sinking feeling it gives me is to realize we lost Rottblatt, Valadius and Zvon, but we still have Steve Rogers and Cleon/Ashie. not a good trend for the Pool.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 20 2011 11:59 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Probably near the end of Hillbilly's tenure, unless he's posting under another name all this time.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 20 2011 12:03 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

/Checks date he joined //Considers changing name to "ScrappyDoo62" or "CousinOliverPerez"

Benjamin Grimm Oct 20 2011 12:10 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

All those "wait til next year" comments at the end of that thread are a bit more poignant now, given how 2007 ended. And what to say about Steve Rogers? Steve Rogers on 10/19/2006 wrote: I should be at the New York FUCKING TIMES right now, instead I'm pushing 30, I live with my parents and I can't barely pay for accounting courses and I can't spend a few hours a week on a blog so that its been updated once in 12 months

Edgy MD Oct 20 2011 12:14 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

That was an astounding (and possibly well oiled) comment from Steverino. Hopefully, five years down the road, he's climbed as far up the ladder as the Times has slid down. Maybe they'll pass each other going in different directions one of these years.

seawolf17 Oct 20 2011 12:20 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Vic Sage wrote: the sinking feeling it gives me is to realize we lost Rottblatt, Valadius and Zvon, but we still have Steve Rogers and Cleon/Ashie. not a good trend for the Pool. And Willets.

seawolf17 Oct 20 2011 12:23 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Topps released a version of this too, with an autograph.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 20 2011 12:27 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The painful IGT, complete with Rogers' shitty lyrics and Ashie behaving like a douchebag at the end. [url]http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/5000/f14_t5019.shtml I did a "print preview" in Firefox, and if that thread were to be printed it would run 82 pages.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 20 2011 12:34 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

seawolf17 wrote: Topps released a version of this too, with an autograph. Hey, so did I! (But without the autograph.)

batmagadanleadoff Oct 20 2011 12:36 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: All those "wait til next year" comments at the end of that thread are a bit more poignant now, given how 2007 ended. And what to say about Steve Rogers? Steve Rogers on 10/19/2006 wrote: I should be at the New York FUCKING TIMES right now, instead I'm pushing 30, I live with my parents and I can't barely pay for accounting courses and I can't spend a few hours a week on a blog so that its been updated once in 12 months I just finished reading that thread, which was before my time, and the off-topic Rogers quote you just posted is the most memorable one.

TransMonk Oct 20 2011 12:57 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

I'm glad I missed that thread. What a miserable game. I also believe they would have rolled the Tigers in the WS. I was watching at a bar with a bunch of Brewers fans trying not to act like I had just had my heart ripped out and used as a air hockey puck in front of them. Last week made me feel a little better as the Cardinals did much of the same things to hopeful Brewers fans. At least I could tell them that I had been there as a fan and it sucks.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 20 2011 05:23 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

What a moment to flip on your cell phone camera. Shea was ROCKING. [youtube:26llzodz]aBUrOjpZakw[/youtube:26llzodz]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 20 2011 05:33 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Gwreck wrote: Fuck Valentin, the problem with this series was Steve Trachsel phoning it in for Game 3. That is where things went off track. We should've never even been in a Game 7 with a clearly inferior team. We've had this conversation before but IMO the game that really killed the Mets in this series was Game 2. Anyone taking the Mets temperature at that time of year knew that the offense was struggling, they knew that the starting pitching was a big question mark, and that to have any chance we absolutely could not afford to let down in the field, or in the bullpen. So what do the Mets do? Have a 3-run first inning off Chris Carpenter then give it away thanks in part to a careless error in the 2nd, dog-shit relief work from two of our best relievers, and a poor non-error on Speizio's hit*. Fucking Wagner. Get the least that was expected, out of that which was most reliable, in this game and Trachsel could've done anything in Game 3. We'd have swept them probably. *- Probably. I watched this game from the right field side of Shea and never saw the play, and still haven't seen the replay.

seawolf17 Oct 20 2011 07:01 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

I miss how Shea used to literally shake.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 20 2011 07:10 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

So F. Taguchi.

Gwreck Oct 20 2011 07:13 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

No doubt they should've won game 2 but given its early place in the series I never think of it as the turning point. --- I seem to have erased Game 5 from my memory. Reviewing the box score is not a pretty sight. We had the 12 runs in Game 4 and were going into game with the pitching advantage, with Glavine facing Jeff Fucking Weaver. After we took a 2-0 lead in the 4th, Glavine gave them right back, on a Pujols solo homer (whatever) but then, with 2 outs, walks Rolen on 4 pitches and procees to give up hits to Edmonds and Ronnie Fucking Belliard. Additionally, I was surprised to see that Felciano gave up a pinch-hit homer to Chris Duncan (a lefty batter).

Ceetar Oct 20 2011 07:42 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

seawolf17 wrote: I miss how Shea used to literally shake. I'm not sure it's a given that Citi Field doesn't, it's just never been tested.

Edgy MD Oct 20 2011 07:57 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Jeff Weaver? Who ever heard of him?

seawolf17 Oct 20 2011 08:14 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Edgy DC wrote: Jeff Weaver? Who ever heard of him? Jeff Weaver, in 2001-02, carried my fantasy team. Looking back at the stats, he was mediocre, but it felt like every time out, he was throwing a complete game. He got traded to the Yankees midseason in 2002, and I was cahnfident he was going to carry me to a title with all the complete game wins he was going to get. Never quite did.

Frayed Knot Oct 20 2011 08:17 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

My main memory of that series is that we shouldn't hit them a lot better than we did. Not only was that staff not all that good but it looked perfectly suited for a lefty-heavy lineup of Mets to tee off on.

Fman99 Oct 20 2011 08:19 PM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Gwreck wrote: 5 years already and I still can't stop thinking about this game. I still am positive we would have won the World Series. This haunts me.

Ceetar Oct 21 2011 05:25 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Frayed Knot wrote: My main memory of that series is that we shouldn't hit them a lot better than we did. Not only was that staff not all that good but it looked perfectly suited for a lefty-heavy lineup of Mets to tee off on. and if it wasn't for Beltran we may have gotten swept.

HahnSolo Oct 21 2011 08:50 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Re: Game 2 that Bucket mentions above. In the first inning, when the Mets scored 3 runs, Willie had LoDuca bunt after a Reyes leadoff double...he was already in scoring position. I know you can't predict future results, but the Mets gave up an out in an inning in which they would score three runs.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 21 2011 11:04 AM Re: Waddaya Call It?

Re: Game 2 that Bucket mentions above. In the first inning, when the Mets scored 3 runs, Willie had LoDuca bunt after a Reyes leadoff double...he was already in scoring position. I know you can't predict future results, but the Mets gave up an out in an inning in which they would score three runs. Plus Lo Duca was an all-star that year and Reyes, in 2006, was probably the fastest base-runner in the majors. I don't know what was dumber: what you wrote or sac bunting Reyes from second to third with nobody out in the top of the first in a game in Denver? Denver -- where you probably need eight runs to win a game, or the NLCS? Either way, Jerry had nothing over Wee Willie when it came to moronic sac bunting. Wasn't even close.