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I’ve loved baseball my whole life. Now, I can’t watch a game

metirish
Oct 28 2011 09:16 AM

without DVR.

Some here will appreciate this


The Waiting Game

I’ve loved baseball my whole life. Now, I can’t watch a game without DVR.
By Josh Levin|Posted Thursday, Oct. 27, 2011, at 4:10 PM ET




Albert Pujols of the St. Louis Cardinals waits during Game 5 of the World Series against the Texas Rangers
Rob Carr/Getty Images.



The fast-forward button makes everything on television more tolerable. By time-shifting sporting events, the savvy fan eliminates the scourge of commercial breaks, cutting out all the frustrating, buzz-killing dead space. Once you’ve gone DVR, watching a game in real-time is cruel torture, a slow death by 1,000 Miller Lite ads.

When it comes to football, I’m content to zap past the latest in beer shillery and watch everything in between. That’s because there’s value in watching the interstitial replays. As you await the next snap in an NFL game, you can watch a slow-motion rendering that sheds light on what happened the play before.


In a baseball game, though, the time between pitches serves no function for fan or player. The batter steps out of the box, the pitcher steps off the mound, the batter adjusts his batting gloves, the pitcher tugs the bill of his cap, and the batter calls timeout. All the while, there’s nothing to fill the dead air. Ball one, outside—America is ready to move on. During the World Series, Fox shovels a heap of extreme close-ups of players, managers, and fans into these gaping chasms of tediousness. This is supposed to enhance the Drama of October. Instead, it’s a visual cue that there’s absolutely nothing going on.

Baseball was my first love. I started obsessing over games before I could form permanent memories, and I’m told I taught myself to read by scanning the box scores in the morning sports page. Once I attained full-on literacy, I devoured The Baseball Encyclopedia and collections of wacky baseball anecdotes, and I sat on the carpet for hours sorting my Topps and Donruss cards. Now, as an adult, I still read about baseball every day, and I continue to feast on the latest statistics. But I find it impossible to make it through a baseball game without technological assistance.

Major-league games are not appreciably longer today than when I became a fan in the late 1980s and early 1990s. For the last decade, the average regular-season game has taken about 2 hours and 50 minutes. Red Sox-Yankees games and postseason contests, however, last in the neighborhood of 30 minutes longer than a typical contest and occasionally breach the four-hour barrier. (In 2006, Boston and New York played a nine-inning game that took 4 hours, 45 minutes.)

For fans as much as players, Major League Baseball’s showcase games have become tests of endurance. This is due in part to the attrition model of baseball favored by savvy, Moneyball-schooled ballclubs. Hitters take more pitches, which leads to more guys reaching base, which leads in turn to more pitching changes and throws over to first. At the same time, pitchers have taken to stalling their hearts out. Batters, too, call timeout after timeout, and the indulgent home-plate ump grants it every time. Add it all up, and you’ve hit the three-hour mark in the bottom of the sixth.

At the same time, the miracle of modern technology has empowered couch-bound fans to control the pace of play. So long as you don’t watch in real-time, you need not be thwarted by visits to the mound, or by hitters adjusting themselves, and then adjusting themselves again. (In the meantime, the pitcher is also adjusting himself.)

While my constant fast-forwarding makes me feel like an efficient baseball consumer, it costs me the opportunity to watch the World Series alongside my fellow fans. I’d prefer—and I’d imagine the lords of MLB would prefer—if I were able to watch passively, without my finger hovering over the remote. But playoff games are just too slow.

I can’t argue with some of the stuff that leads to baseball bloat: Taking pitches and deploying bushels of short relievers is good strategy. But there’s no reason for the game’s culture of between-pitch time-wasting. What’s most frustrating about this chronic stopping and starting is that it’s against MLB rules.

Rule 8.04 decrees:

When the bases are unoccupied, the pitcher shall deliver the ball to the batter within 12 seconds after he receives the ball. Each time the pitcher delays the game by violating this rule, the umpire shall call “Ball.” … The intent of this rule is to avoid unnecessary delays. The umpire shall insist that the catcher return the ball promptly to the pitcher, and that the pitcher take his position on the rubber promptly. Obvious delay by the pitcher should instantly be penalized by the umpire.

In Game 5 of the World Series, Chris Carpenter, C.J. Wilson, Octavio Dotel, and Alexi Ogando (among others) took more than 12 seconds between pitches on innumerable occasions. They were not instantly penalized. The only time Major League Baseball has been inclined to enforce its pitch-clock rule is when Red Sox closer Jonathan Papelbon—probably the slowest pitcher in baseball history—steps on the mound. Since there are no consequences when non-Papelbons take a minute between tosses, major-league pitchers do what they please, watchability be damned.

I don’t see any downside to MLB following through on its ban on unnecessary delays, nor can I see a reason not to extend the rule—to make them pitch in, say, 25 seconds or less with men on base. If you think such enforcement would cause irreparable harm to our poetically clock-less pastime, consider the Southeastern Conference’s 2010 experiment with a 20-second pitch clock. The clock, which was activated only when the bases were empty, drew no complaints, and the SEC’s players and managers said they barely noticed the countdown. The result: Games were shortened by as much as 15 minutes. Because of this success, the pitch clock was adopted across college baseball in 2011.

The gentlemen’s agreement between hitter, pitcher, and umpire that enables baseball’s culture of stalling is to nobody’s advantage—not the fans, not the broadcasters, and not the fielders who get stiff waiting for the pitcher to go into his motion. If Fox and MLB had any sense, they would cut out all the mid-at-bat foolishness and redistribute that extra time to slot in more commercials between innings. Sure, I’d fast-forward through those ads, but that would be a whole lot better than zooming through the game itself.


http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sp ... _dvr_.html

Centerfield
Oct 28 2011 09:20 AM
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I know people complain about it a lot, and understood a four hour game can get tedious, but I have no problem at all with the pace of a baseball game.

I love the time I spend watching baseball.

Edgy MD
Oct 28 2011 09:22 AM
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I agree about ad time, but disagree strongly that the time between pitches is dead time.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 28 2011 09:23 AM
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If the quality of the play is good, who wants it any faster? DVR fags suck.

Some guys like Papelbaum are hard to watch work but I can deal.

G-Fafif
Oct 28 2011 09:49 AM
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Won't this guy be elated when he's no longer burdened by long-ish games after tonight?

metirish
Oct 28 2011 09:54 AM
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Seems like a lot of trouble to FF in between pitches , plus I can rarely DVR a sports event and then avoid the score.

Ceetar
Oct 28 2011 10:04 AM
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Centerfield wrote:
I know people complain about it a lot, and understood a four hour game can get tedious, but I have no problem at all with the pace of a baseball game.

I love the time I spend watching baseball.


I'm all for trying to eliminate some of that time. I don't think there's any harm and trying to keep pitchers from taking the ball, then taking a brief hike around the mound, doing some Yoga to get focused, and then stepping on the rubber. But I'm feverishly (feverently?) against a clock of any sort being introduced into baseball, ever. no clock. that's the whole beauty of it.

But I agree that I don't really have a problem with the pace of a game. Sometimes it's annoying when teams like the Yankees have the pitcher throw to first, then have the catcher come out, then have the pitcher throw to first again, and then the manager comes out walking like he's 105 and needs a walker, before finally signaling for the reliever.

this is not what's keeping people from being interested in baseball as NFL people like to claim. The break, extra point, break, kickoff to a fair catch, break, okay lets play again nature of an NFL game doesn't seem to keep anyone away.

Edgy MD
Oct 28 2011 10:19 AM
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Then let the ump hammer on the manager that he's being inconsiderate and holding up the game and remind him that he's the supreme law.

I was at the gastropub last night, and I watched as the Rangers catcher took a painful foul ball off an unpadded part of his person. No words were exchanged, but the ump made a point of buying some time by cleaning off the plate. It was great. He just looks down, with a look of "My, isn't that plate a mess, and here in the World Series --- disgraceful."

He takes a circular walk around the plate, pulls the little broom from his pocket in a circular motion, bends his ass directly at the pitcher, and paints the dish with the broom in clean even strokes like he's an artist. And he is.

I explain this tableau to my wife, and praise the beauty of the automatic charity. She asks how he knows, and I tell her how he's back there taking fouls too, and how, from their common human vulnerability, an ancient bond of a game-delay ritual has occurred. And of course, if the ump got hit, the catcher would walk the ball pack to the pitcher, take off his mask along the way, spit, ask the pitcher how his wife likes the new place, rub the ball for him some as they spoke, and then walk back and pick up a pebble or two between the mound and the plate on the way.

And we're all made more human by it, and with all better understand the gift of a summer day, or an autumn night. Well, everybody but Josh Levin.

metirish
Oct 28 2011 10:24 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
Then let the ump hammer on the manager that he's being inconsiderate and holding up the game and remind him that he's the supreme law.

I was at the gastropub last night, and I watched as the Rangers catcher took a painful foul ball off an unpadded part of his person. No words were exchanged, but the ump made a point of buying some time by cleaning off the plate. It was great. He just looks down, with a look of "My, isn't that plate a mess, and here in the World Series --- disgraceful."

He takes a circular walk around the plate, pulls the little broom from his pocket in a circular motion, bends his ass directly at the pitcher, and paints the dish with the broom in clean even strokes like he's an artist. And he is.
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love when they do that, FOX had them wired for sound and the ump and catcher had a brief exchange, likewise the catcher will do the same for the ump when they take one.

Ceetar
Oct 28 2011 10:28 AM
Re: I’ve loved baseball my whole life. Now, I can’t watch a

Edgy DC wrote:
Then let the ump hammer on the manager that he's being inconsiderate and holding up the game and remind him that he's the supreme law.

I was at the gastropub last night, and I watched as the Rangers catcher took a painful foul ball off an unpadded part of his person. No words were exchanged, but the ump made a point of buying some time by cleaning off the plate. It was great. He just looks down, with a look of "My, isn't that plate a mess, and here in the World Series --- disgraceful."

He takes a circular walk around the plate, pulls the little broom from his pocket in a circular motion, bends his ass directly at the pitcher, and paints the dish with the broom in clean even strokes like he's an artist. And he is.

I explain this tableau to my wife, and praise the beauty of the automatic charity. She asks how he knows, and I tell her how he's back there taking fouls too, and how, from their common human vulnerability, an ancient bond of a game-delay ritual has occurred. And of course, if the ump got hit, the catcher would walk the ball pack to the pitcher, take off his mask along the way, spit, ask the pitcher how his wife likes the new place, rub the ball for him some as they spoke, and then walk back and pick up a pebble or two between the mound and the plate on the way.

And we're all made more human by it, and with all better understand the gift of a summer day, or an autumn night. Well, everybody but Josh Levin.


That stuff is different I think. But there is a nuance to disrupting the timing of the pitcher these days. Beltran did it a lot from what I noticed, stepping out to mess with the pitcher.


If you think about it some things have to be faster, years ago for a foul ball down the line they had to have the fielder run over and get it (how old a tradition are ball boys in the OF?) and then throw the ball back in. Now they just take another ball out of the umps bag and away we go.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 28 2011 10:43 AM
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I still usually watch baseball live, but I do a TiVo-delay when I can. When I'm watching a delayed game, I always fast-forward the commercials and usually watch the game action in real time. But I have sometimes done the zip-between-pitches thing when I'm pressed for time or not feeling particularly patient.

Edgy MD
Oct 28 2011 10:46 AM
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Yeah, some things have to be faster, and the umps have been policing those things. And the tension between and among the delaying player and the aggressive player and the umps is a part of the story too.

metirish
Oct 28 2011 10:50 AM
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Steve Traschel on the mound with Nomar at bat,tell those two to hurry up and they probably fall apart. Some players are slow and some have idiosyncrasies that are part of their makeup.

Frayed Knot
Oct 28 2011 11:02 AM
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Couple of points here, particularly seeing as how I'm probably the biggest game-time complainer 'round these parts.

- I only DVR a game when I know I'm going to be late to the TV. Tuning in at say 8 PM because I was busy at 7 for a 7:10 start allows you to watch the entire game and still finish right around when it would have ended anyway. And blowing through the between-innings commercials with four quick clicks of the 30-second advance button (or five for GotW, or six for post-season) is heaven as I've already got enough info on erectile dysfunction medicine thankyouverymcuh. Gotta make sure you plan for past the scheduled window however if you start too late to 'catch up' before the thing is supposed to be over.

- I never click between pitches (well ... almost never, occasionally you're in blow-out territory watching on delay and you start to not care) because that does ruin the flow of the game. Save it for between innings and pitching changes. And if you're too ADD to sit still between pitches you're not cut out for baseball anyway.



Having said all that, I think this sport's biggest problem is pace of the game issues. Not the length of the games necessarily (although that's an issue too) but the pace of them while they're happening. Reading the Gehrig bio recently it mentioned a WS game he was involved in which was up to then the longest in history ... a whopping 2:50. And yeah I know that was just slightly after the fall of Rome but even decades after that sub-3:00 was the norm and not the virtual impossibility it is now. 1969 WS: 2:13; 2:20; 2:23; 2:33 (10 innings); 2:14

Now we're not getting back to those times for a lot of obvious reasons -- longer commercial time, more in-inning pitching changes, stronger lineups, emphasis on 'working the count', etc. -- but there's just too much unnecessary dead time. Blame the pitchers and their inability to get a pitch off in under half a minute if you want (and MLB for not enforcing their own rule) but the batters are to blame at least as much if not more, taking 40 ft strolls between every pitch while readjusting each batting glove as if the velcro on them somehow came loose during the previous pitch ... you know, the one they didn't even swing at. Ryan Braun, I noticed this year, is in this club. Cano also is one of the bigger offenders.
And MLB supposedly made that something they were going to enforce starting a few years back: batters were supposed to always keep at least one foot in the box or get the home ump's approval to leave, but that obviously got ignored from the get go.

The only solution, it seems to me, is to get to these guys as minor leaguers before they get into these time-wasting habits and also before they get to be stars too big to listen to umps and league officials who want to tell them otherwise. The advantage of having an entire system that serves for little other purpose than as an apprenticeship for players, coaches, and umpires is that you can use it to mold how you want things to go at the higher level. It also couldn't hurt attendance/interest in minor league games if things there moved along better.

Now I realize that such a system wouldn't work perfectly and produce an entire league of Mark Buerhles five years from now, but it's worth a shot.

A Boy Named Seo
Oct 28 2011 11:13 AM
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I fast-forwarded that article, but back when I used to watch baseball, I'd Tivo the games because I'd still be working for the 4PM west coast start times. I effin loved zooming through the commercials and even when I was off work, I started DVR'ing it and would start like a half hour late, so I could zip through just the same. FF'ing between pitches is st00pid & lame, but I'm apparently a big, flag-waving, card-carrying DVR fag.

metirish
Oct 28 2011 11:20 AM
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A Boy Named Seo wrote:
I fast-forwarded that article, but back when I used to watch baseball, I'd Tivo the games because I'd still be working for the 4PM west coast start times. I effin loved zooming through the commercials and even when I was off work, I started DVR'ing it and would start like a half hour late, so I could zip through just the same. FF'ing between pitches is st00pid & lame, but I'm apparently a big, flag-waving, card-carrying DVR fag.




see, this is a perfect use of the DVR , west coast time, of course you still need to avoid the score.

Edgy MD
Oct 28 2011 11:34 AM
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He probably fast-forwards through the pizza-delivery part of his gay porn, too.

I'm telling you: The action's NOTHING without the character and atmosphere!

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 28 2011 11:35 AM
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If you start watching the game an hour or so after it starts, it's easy enough to avoid any "spoilers."

I used to TiVo the Friday and Saturday night games and watch them Saturday and Sunday mornings. I've fallen out of that habit in the last couple of years because I haven't been as interested.

Ceetar
Nov 11 2011 08:16 PM
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"I think the game is too long," Phils General Manager Lee Thomas said. "I hope fan interest isn't waning. I'm sure there are some people who don't like the longer games, and neither do we. They probably are 15 to 20 minutes too long."



That was written in '93. Reminded me of this thread.

Fman99
Nov 11 2011 08:21 PM
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The key is to suck down a shit ton of alcohol when you're watching. Then, not only do you not mind the gaps in between pitches, but entire at bats just cruise on by and you won't feel a thing.

Of course it makes it harder to figure out how someone got on base, or who's playing.

Ceetar
Nov 11 2011 08:24 PM
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There's a shot of Eddie Murray and a caption: "His at-bats are of miniseries-length proportions."

Vic Sage
Nov 12 2011 10:07 AM
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the cup-adjusting, chaw spitting, pinetar gripping, noodling around by either hitter or batter is not the real issue, despite that it may exascerbate the problem (if it IS a problem, and i really don't think it is). By and large, the difference between current length of a game and pre-80s length can be directly blamed on bullpen specialization, especially in the AL, where there is no consequence (to the lineup) of calling in guys to throw 1 pitch to to 1 hitter, then replacing him with another, and another.

MFS62
Nov 12 2011 11:49 AM
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IIRC, there used to be a rule that required a pitcher to throw the ball within ___ (20?) seconds if the bases were empty, or the ump could call an automatic "ball".
Charley Finley had a clock installed on the scoreboard to time it, and MLB made him take it down.

As for today, there must be stats about length of games for both the AL and the NL. If so, I'm guessing AL games take longer. And if I'm right, I blame the DH. If I'm wrong, Vic's statement about the situational pitching changes is probably correct.

Anyhow, I blame the DH for everything that's wrong with the world.
My solution?
Get rid of the DH.

Later

Frayed Knot
Nov 12 2011 01:19 PM
Re: I’ve loved baseball my whole life. Now, I can’t watch a

IIRC, there used to be a rule that required a pitcher to throw the ball within ___ (20?) seconds if the bases were empty, or the ump could call an automatic "ball".


There still is a rule (I believe it's 12 seconds) it's just never enforced. Batters are supposed to stay in the box for the entire AB too (or at least request permission to step out) but the umps don't enforce that either because they know (or at least feel) that they'll get more abuse from trying to enforce it than it's worth. They know who the stars are and who MLB will eventually side with.


As for today, there must be stats about length of games for both the AL and the NL. If so, I'm guessing AL games take longer. And if I'm right, I blame the DH. If I'm wrong, Vic's statement about the situational pitching changes is probably correct.


There are stats and, yes, AL games are longer than NL (with IL games falling somewhere in between).
The DH is certainly part of that but only tangentially in that, while the AL is no longer automatically the higher scoring league (the DH spot ain't what it used to be), the pitcher not batting means there's no benefit to wait for between innings to make mound changes therefore there are more in-inning switches. So, in a sense, both you and Vic are correct.
Personally, I think the 19 Yanx/Sawx [crossout]games[/crossout] mini-series per year are so ridiculously long that they alone are enough to account for much of that difference.





The longer game culprits are obvious:
* commercial time: 2:05 in between each half-inning; 2:25 if it's a GotW broadcast (that covers FOX Sat & ESPN's SNB); and then 2:55 for post-season games.
Nothing is going to alter those times so the best you can do is make sure that all sides are ready to go right after those marks and not allow simple laziness to extend each gap another 10-15 seconds.
* multiple pitching changes -- again, no real way to change it except maybe require a pitching switch on each mound visit after the first one of the game (rather than allowing one freebie per inning). LaRussa retiring helps a bit too.

After that you get into the smaller time-wasters which won't mean as much but they are things that MLB can actually address, mainly pitchers taking forever (hello Mr. Papelbon) coupled with batters who feel it necessary to take a stroll and re-velcro their batting gloves after every pitch.
Here baseball can start in the minors where it's more possible to enforce the pitch/time rules and the 'stay in the box' rules without upsetting some prima-donna and his elaborate and established routine. Then, maybe in five years, you won't have half the league taking half-a-minute between pitches as a matter of habit without even realizing it.
And if enforcing those rules means managers will no longer have the time to signal their catchers for every pitch-out, throw-over, knock-down, or mound-visit to the point where their backstops will have to decide those things for themselves ... well then that's OK with me too.

Ashie62
Nov 12 2011 05:40 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
The key is to suck down a shit ton of alcohol when you're watching. Then, not only do you not mind the gaps in between pitches, but entire at bats just cruise on by and you won't feel a thing.

Of course it makes it harder to figure out how someone got on base, or who's playing.


Is it worth the hangover? Burp.......