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NL East winter moves 2011-12
Frayed Knot Oct 31 2011 11:37 AM |
Obviously this thread is intended for non-NYM changes as I would hope anything the home team does is important enough to warrant its own thread.
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Frayed Knot Nov 05 2011 06:28 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
- CM Wang re-ups with the Nat'ls
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smg58 Nov 05 2011 06:59 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
I'm guessing Thome wants a shot at a ring. Giambi must like the school system.
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Benjamin Grimm Nov 05 2011 07:00 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Thome would, I assume, see a lot of time at first base until Ryan Howard is ready.
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Edgy MD Nov 05 2011 10:02 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Ryan Howard stole the job from Thome when he was hurt back in 2005. Now he gets to try to return the favor.
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Gwreck Nov 05 2011 02:43 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Yeah, but it was Bono who stole it back, not the Beatles.
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Edgy MD Nov 05 2011 07:19 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
You think Thome is going to pull this off without Bono? Fat chance.
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smg58 Nov 06 2011 06:57 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
In other news, the Phillies just signed Bono.
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Ceetar Nov 08 2011 04:15 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Apparently the Phillies kept Madsen to the tune of 4/44 with a 5th year option.
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metirish Nov 08 2011 05:21 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Sounds just like the type of bad investment Bono would make.
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Ceetar Nov 08 2011 05:25 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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I mean, the Phillies were going to just give Howard another extension, but since he got hurt they figured they'd wait until next year.
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Ashie62 Nov 08 2011 06:02 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Or the Edge-y
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Edgy MD Nov 11 2011 12:21 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Sources have Papelbon signing with Phillie, pending the physical.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 11 2011 12:23 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Boy are they headed for disaster.
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metirish Nov 11 2011 12:44 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Follow up
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seawolf17 Nov 11 2011 12:46 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
That's almost $100 million on two relievers, plus they have Howard locked up for a bajillion dollars. Is the Philadelphia Mint a minority owner?
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TransMonk Nov 11 2011 12:52 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
I thought the Madsen deal was a non-deal?
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HahnSolo Nov 11 2011 12:53 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
[url]http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-brown_hardball_scott_boras_madson_phillies_111011
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Edgy MD Nov 11 2011 01:01 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Ryan's mad, son.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 11 2011 01:15 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
I'd look inro a pissed-off Madson if I'm the Mets.
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bmfc1 Nov 11 2011 01:19 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Papelbon to the MFPs.
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smg58 Nov 11 2011 03:16 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
I'm curious to know whether the Madson deal was as close as it was reported to be a couple of days ago. I can't imagine Madson's agent would have paused if 4 and 44 were on the table.
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smg58 Nov 20 2011 06:12 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
The Phillies get Ty Wigginton from the Rockies for a six-pack of Coors Light and a bag of pretzels to be named later. It's bad enough to be sent off along with half your salary and not knowing who, if even anybody, is going the other way, but to the Phillies? Poor Ty.
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Ceetar Nov 20 2011 06:21 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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He'll see playing time. Howard's out to start and 2B/3B are injury/aging guys.
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Edgy MD Nov 20 2011 07:30 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Last I heard, they don't have a shortstop.
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Ceetar Nov 20 2011 07:42 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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haha, Wiggy at Short? Tejada for Worley?
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Ashie62 Nov 20 2011 08:04 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Neither do the Mets
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Frayed Knot Nov 20 2011 09:29 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Harper in the NYDN had the Braves talking trade with the Yanx - dangling the likes of IF Eduardo Nunez and maybe Swisher for the very talented but oft-injured and now arb-eligible Jair Jurrgens.
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Ceetar Nov 20 2011 09:32 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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yeah, the Braves better get more than backup infielder if they do that. Maybe if it happens Jurrgens can be next years Vazquez.
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Frayed Knot Nov 21 2011 06:18 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
I think the idea is that the Braves see Nunez as a starting SS, one with similar pop to the soon-to-be-departed Alex Gonzalez but a decade younger and hopefully with the ability to top AG's sub-.300 OBA
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Benjamin Grimm Nov 21 2011 06:33 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Jurrgens is represented by Scott Boras, and the Braves may be thinking that he'll be gone after two years, so in this scenario they'd be trading two years of Jurrgens for six or more years of Nunez.
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smg58 Nov 22 2011 07:30 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
The Marlins trade John Baker (backup catcher) to the Padres for pitcher Wade LeBlanc.
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Edgy MD Nov 28 2011 05:53 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Tim Hudson of the Braves undergoes surgery for a herniated disc.
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Ceetar Dec 01 2011 09:05 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Jayson Stark (salt grains here..) reporting Heath Bell to the Marlins pending physical for 3/27.
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metirish Dec 02 2011 11:11 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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read elsewhere about a vesting option on a fourth year....
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metsmarathon Dec 02 2011 11:25 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
wow. that's not a wholly unreasonable contract for a closer.
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Ceetar Dec 02 2011 11:28 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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And Closers sell tickets to a new stadium right? everyone buys tickets for the guy that will pitch one inning less than half the time right?
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attgig Dec 02 2011 11:46 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
damn. i picked the wrong closer for the marlins in the FA prediction contest.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 02 2011 11:56 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
F him.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 02 2011 11:58 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
The Marlins won the World Series in 2003 and still couldn't sell tickets. I don't know why they're so sure that the new stadium is going to be that much of a draw, especially once the novelty wears off.
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Ceetar Dec 02 2011 12:01 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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the location of it's much better supposedly.
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Edgy MD Dec 02 2011 12:04 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
I'm just surprised and delighted to see ceets suddenly pooping on the notion of the importance of a big shot closer.
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Ceetar Dec 02 2011 12:06 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Nothing's changed in my evaluation. And a year ago I was operating under the assumption the payroll would be 120-130, which would basically fit K-Rod's option on top of what we're gonna end up having now.
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Frayed Knot Dec 02 2011 12:09 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Also the roof and hence lack of rainouts. Not that I think south Florida is ever going to be the greatest of sports locations for any sport -- but there was one year a few seasons back where somewhere around 1/4 of Marlins' home games were either: rained-out, had the start rain-delayed, or had a game rain-interrupted while in progress. Games are long enough in this sport w/o having those things thrown at you and even the most die-hard fans had to find it tough to commit to heading for the stadium where there's a decent chance the game either won't happen or will still be happening as you approach midnight. So, yeah, the novelty of the stadium itself will wear off but I figure it's still going to be a positive for them in the long run.
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Edgy MD Dec 02 2011 12:14 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Oh, poop.
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Ceetar Dec 02 2011 12:19 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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btw, Sandy says he thinks they would've finished above .500 if they'd kept him.
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Edgy MD Dec 02 2011 12:30 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Maybe. They would have done even better if they kept Beltran.
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Ceetar Dec 02 2011 12:32 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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They were only two games behind the Wild Card winners when they traded Beltran. You just never know.
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Edgy MD Dec 02 2011 01:04 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
No, I certainly don't.
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Frayed Knot Dec 05 2011 06:55 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Laynce (learn to spell will ya) Nix - 350 ABs w/the Nats last season - to the Phils for two years pending a physical and all that jazz.
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Edgy MD Dec 05 2011 09:17 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Every time I think about Laynce Nix, I want to stick around and want to get my kicks.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 12 2011 11:07 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Phils trade arb-eligible reserve Ben Francisco to the Jays for a minor league tomato can.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 13 2011 08:46 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Phils sign Dontrelle Willis.
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Edgy MD Dec 13 2011 09:22 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
David Wright's eyes just lit up. He's always hit Willis, hasn't he?
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Ceetar Dec 13 2011 09:25 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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does he own a bat? he does? then yes, he hits Willis.
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metirish Dec 13 2011 09:28 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Will Willis see the rotation? numbers Nice Numbers
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Ceetar Dec 13 2011 09:34 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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be shocked if he does. Although he did have a 'bounceback' year last year with the reds, almost got his WHIP down to Oliver Perez ranges. The worst part about that bat_vs_pitcher list is that b-r still considers Jose Reyes a 'current Met'.
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Nymr83 Dec 13 2011 10:06 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Best career OPS vs. Willis (minimum 20 plate appearences)? Moises Alou!
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Edgy MD Dec 13 2011 10:48 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Willis is kind of a certain breed o' pitcher --- I count Oil Can Boyd and José Lima among them --- that experience a period of success early in their careers, and develop a public persona as a successful pitcher who brings a level of panache to his game. When continuing that success proves elusive, these guys enter these long, slow, pretty declines, with brief puffs of the old goods --- but they have the dignity to fail with no less panache than they succeeded with.
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seawolf17 Dec 13 2011 11:07 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Willis had a 2.63 ERA in 13 starts (70 innings) in AAA last year, and he's only 30 in January. I'm not saying he hasn't had issues, but he's not exactly a lost cause.
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Frayed Knot Dec 17 2011 05:43 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Rollins re-ups with the Phils
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 17 2011 05:51 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
They should have also thrown in a pair of pants.
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Frayed Knot Dec 17 2011 05:56 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Except that this vest could be worth $11mil so I'd live with the embarrassment of going pants-less at the press conference.
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Fman99 Dec 17 2011 06:59 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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I'm still a big fan of Mrs. Lima and her oil cans.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 17 2011 09:42 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Hamels still hasn't signed yet, no? Chip in arb raises for Pence (6.9M last year) and Kendrick (2.45M last year), and they're around $150-155M before inking Hamels-- also due a raise (from 7.1M), and in his last arb year-- and signing the rest of the bench/pen (7 spots).
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Ashie62 Dec 18 2011 12:23 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
There are some decent ballplayers (Willingham) going for reasonable money yet not much doin in Metland.
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Edgy MD Dec 18 2011 03:45 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
why is it always Ottawa when that crack is made?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 19 2011 01:44 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Kablammeron signs with the Gnats.
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Frayed Knot Dec 19 2011 02:57 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
He turns 39 in a few weeks, the Natinals will be Cammy's 9th ML team (assuming he makes the cut - no guarantee).
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 22 2011 02:16 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Gnats get Gio Gonzalez for Peacock, Cole, Norris, Milone /tossing off names as though I know them
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Edgy MD Dec 22 2011 02:19 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Peacock good. This I know.
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DocTee Dec 22 2011 02:30 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Nats also inked Mark DeRosa to strengthen their bench.
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Frayed Knot Dec 22 2011 02:41 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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They certainly didn't get a #2-ish pitcher cheaply from what I can tell. Assuming this is the correct Cole (and I don't see another one in their system) he's as highly rated as Peacock even if not quite as ready. On the other hand, the Nats look to have a very decent rotation next season plus a good pen. Oakland, I guess, is reloading for 2013 and beyond. From John Sickels (who just did his Washington evaluation the other day) #3 (ranking among Wash prospects) A.J. Cole, RHP, Grade B+. I really believe in his upside. Needs to build stamina and refine his changeup, but if it comes together he could be a Top 20 pitching prospect next year, perhaps more. #4 Brad Peacock, RHP, Grade B: Borderline B+. Still has some command issues, but his ERAs finally caught up with his components and his overall potential in 2011. Will be ready before Cole but his upside is not quite as high. Future 2/3 starter if all works out. #6 Derek Norris, C, Grade B: Loads of power, walks, and scouting reports on his defense are getting more positive each year. Ranking may seem high for such a low batting average, but I see him as a Mike Napoli/Mickey Tettleton type who can be productive even with a low average. #9 Tom Milone, LHP, Grade B-: At some point, the radar guns stop mattering. The guy can simply pitch. He has little margin for error, but he will probably have a better career than hundreds of guys who throw 10 MPH harder.
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smg58 Dec 22 2011 04:15 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Milone is the key to this deal. Scouts don't like his velocity, but he's done nothing but produce in the minors and was decent in five starts for Washington. If he's a legit starter for Oakland this year, then they will have already recouped most of the loss. Otherwise, Norris has a K rate that's awful and getting worse; he's the kind of prospect I'd happily sell. Peacock and Cole have live arms, but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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Ashie62 Dec 22 2011 04:35 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
The Nationals got the best player in the deal.
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G-Fafif Dec 22 2011 04:58 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
I'm saddened, from an Fman perspective, that a pitcher named Peacock will no longer be in the Mets' division.
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Frayed Knot Dec 22 2011 05:17 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Given Peacock & Cole's higher perceived ceilings and lower ages I'd think those two are more key for Oakland, especially so since this deal isn't about this year for them and, even if it were, Milone's 26 big league innings pitched aren't much more than Peacock's 12 so one is probably about as ready as the other. Also catchers with decent OBA + power don't come along every day; I'd live with the high Ks if I could get those. Of course any or all of those guys could still flat-line, but getting a set of four like that builds in some nice insurance for the A's.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 22 2011 05:52 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Peacock strutted against us for 5 shutout innings last September, and some fun movement on his offspeed stuff, IIRC.
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Fman99 Dec 22 2011 06:27 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Well then, thank goodness for R.A. Dickey.
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Edgy MD Dec 22 2011 08:10 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
I'm not sure I agree that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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smg58 Dec 23 2011 12:54 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Oh come on, that GEICO commercial didn't convince you?
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Fman99 Dec 23 2011 07:46 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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You know what's better than two in the bush? (One in the bush and one in the shitpipe.)
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Ceetar Dec 23 2011 08:05 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Never believe anything James Bond says.
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Vic Sage Dec 23 2011 09:12 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
fman, you fkill me.
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metirish Jan 04 2012 05:41 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Marlins get Zambrano for Volstad various tweets are saying.
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TransMonk Jan 04 2012 06:46 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Are the Marlins really getting better?
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Fman99 Jan 04 2012 07:00 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Well, they're getting angrier, anyway. The last Latino man to be as mad as him was yelling at Lucy for showing up at the nightclub.
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smg58 Jan 04 2012 07:11 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
It's close to being payroll-neutral with the cash the Cubs are throwing in, which would be a huge win for the Marlins if Z can actually behave himself.
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Frayed Knot Jan 04 2012 07:14 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
The deal is at least being discussed:
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metsmarathon Jan 04 2012 10:16 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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fman owns the early 2012 BOC competition.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 05 2012 12:16 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Two years of cost-controlled Volstad-plus-$3 million might be worth it just for his hitting-- toss in 125-150 innings of at-least-league-average-ish pitching (which seems probable) and he's a steal.
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Edgy MD Jan 05 2012 04:42 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Plus he's got Guillen's temper with a younger man's strength and testosterone. Good times.
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Frayed Knot Jan 05 2012 07:02 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Excerpts from BP:
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Edgy MD Jan 05 2012 07:07 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
I'd like to see the data on that in a graph.
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attgig Jan 05 2012 07:13 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
seems like a win win.
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Ceetar Jan 05 2012 08:47 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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MORE new hitters for the Marlins?
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Edgy MD Jan 05 2012 09:01 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Nymr83 Jan 06 2012 10:11 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Fuck PETA, who are they to say that hitting a ball off a tee with a bat isn't this elephant's dream come true?
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seawolf17 Jan 06 2012 10:18 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
And for all we know, the elephant's already a better hitter than Jason Bay.
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Edgy MD Jan 06 2012 10:22 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Ouch. Harsh negotiator.
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Fman99 Jan 06 2012 10:26 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Tried that once. The key is to fill it up with sprouts and maybe some hummus. Wait, what?
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Ceetar Jan 06 2012 11:33 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Wasn't that a banned Super Bowl commercial?
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Edgy MD Jan 13 2012 09:54 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Jack Wilson, Atlanta Brave.
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Frayed Knot Jan 15 2012 09:57 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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I guess if you combine Betancourt & Wilson they've got one decent SS in there somewhere. Meanwhile, the Nats take recently acquired Gio Gonzalez - already under club control for the next four years - and ink him to a 5-year extension with options thru 2017 & 2018, avoiding all the arb years that would have started next season plus the first year or three of FA-gency.
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Edgy MD Jan 16 2012 07:06 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
I was thinking the Braves were going with Pastor Nicky as their shortstop.
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MFS62 Jan 16 2012 08:24 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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I think he dropped out of the running to throw his support behind Rick Santorum. Later
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Edgy MD Jan 26 2012 06:42 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Phillies ship former Mets scrubbie subbie Wilson Valdez to Cincy for relief help.
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Ceetar Jan 26 2012 06:52 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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seems odd given the health issues with Utley and Rollins.
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Edgy MD Jan 26 2012 07:00 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
And Howard and Polanco, also.
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Ceetar Jan 26 2012 07:08 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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I forgot about Wiggum.
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seawolf17 Jan 26 2012 10:53 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Brad Lidge to the Nats for one year, $1M plus incentives.
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Ceetar Jan 26 2012 11:34 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Something about Lidge has always rubbed me the wrong way. Don't trust him. also, his injury history.
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 26 2012 11:38 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
I wouldn't like him either if he was always rubbing me.
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Ceetar Jan 26 2012 11:40 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Think about how the baseballs feel.
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Frayed Knot Jan 26 2012 12:39 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Lidge on the Nats may be nothing more than their 7th inning guy with Clippard & Storen backing him up.
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Edgy MD Jan 27 2012 12:53 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Phillies, terrified that the Mets were sniffing around Juan Pierre's door, beat them to the punch and sign him to a minor league deal first.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 27 2012 02:06 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Yes, hindsight is 20/20, yadda yadda yadda. But considering how many guys were out there, Sandy really might've been best served waiting until the after-Christmas sales, no?
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Edgy MD Jan 27 2012 02:19 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Sometimes. It's not like he hasn't let the market come to him in other regards.
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Frayed Knot Jan 31 2012 07:30 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
"I think [Opening Day is] more than a reach ... If [Ryan Howard] is back by sometime in May, I'll be happy." -- Ruben Amaro Jr.
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Ceetar Jan 31 2012 07:32 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Sounds like what Omar was saying about Beltran in 2010.
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TransMonk Jan 31 2012 08:00 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Or what is said about Johan every year.
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bmfc1 Feb 02 2012 11:42 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Edwin Jackson to the Nationals. And the Nationals get even stronger.
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Edgy MD Feb 02 2012 11:46 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Eh, Cardinals get weaker.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 02 2012 11:51 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
The odds of a Johnson-BobbyV All-Star game grow shorter.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 02 2012 12:35 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Eh. The way I see it 2012 will be bitterly disappointing to 2 NL East teams, we just don't know which yet.
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Ceetar Feb 02 2012 12:39 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
pretty sure it's going to be disappointing to 4 of them.
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attgig Feb 02 2012 12:47 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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i think he's too expensive for our payroll.
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attgig Feb 02 2012 12:48 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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mmmm, probably 3. wildcard is probably good enough for most teams, and wc is prolly coming out of the east. but yeah... of all the years that the Marlins picked to make a splash in the headlines and get hype for their team, the Nationals seem to be going out and trying to steal the headlines away.
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Ceetar Feb 02 2012 01:33 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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I'd be surprised if the Nationals (or the Marlins) made a serious playoff run.
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Edgy MD Feb 02 2012 01:40 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Do we have the money on the Jackson deal yet? Not much of a better bet to me than, say Mike Pelfrey. But he's coming off the better year, so.
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TransMonk Feb 02 2012 01:42 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
1 year between $8M and $12M according to Heyman.
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Edgy MD Feb 02 2012 02:00 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Well, they have Davey Johnson, who is typically awesome in his first year, so it would be perilous to underestimate them, but make mine Mets.
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attgig Feb 02 2012 03:22 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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I think the nationals could have a real shot with their rotation. if they upgrade laroche and a CF (or by calling up bryce and he's ready), I think they really could challenge for a wildcard spot. of course, if selig gets his way and there's two wild card teams, the possibility is even more real.
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Nymr83 Feb 02 2012 05:21 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Mets will be the only team in the NL East under .500
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Edgy MD Feb 02 2012 06:43 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
The Mets.
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Vic Sage Feb 02 2012 08:12 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
yeah, but not necessarily in a good way.
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Edgy MD Feb 02 2012 08:25 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Maybe, but the amount of online self-immolations has made this quite an offseason for weenies.
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Mets – Willets Point Feb 02 2012 08:30 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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This just means that the Mets will have a really great May.
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bmfc1 Feb 05 2012 03:32 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Rick Ankiel signs a minor league contract with the Nationals. His arm and decent power would have been a nice addition to the Mets bench, but no.
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Frayed Knot Feb 11 2012 05:22 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
MLB.com -- Marlins reportedly presented [Cuban FA OFer Yeonis] Cespedes with a six-year, $40 million contract offer to consider.
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smg58 Feb 11 2012 10:19 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Alderson appears to be waiting and seeing as far as that lefty outfield spot on the bench goes. Either that, or he thinks Mike Baxter is good enough. I hope its the former.
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Edgy MD Feb 12 2012 06:01 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
There's also Adam Loewen and Kirk Nieuwenhuis competing for that role, or at least the role of outstanding compound vowel Met.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 12 2012 08:25 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
DiComo's article on Niuewy the other day made it seem as though he had no shot of going north barring some kind of disaster. Makes enough sense to see if he can start hitting like he did again in the minors and force a midseason appearance.
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Frayed Knot Feb 12 2012 09:27 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
After missing the 2nd half of last season I think it's probably wise to keep Nieuwenhuis in AAA for a while. Loewen, already 28 y/o and trying to be the next Ankiel, is a more likely candidate for experimentation.
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Edgy MD Feb 12 2012 12:26 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
I'm certainly not arguing for Niuewy, but I also see no reason why he couldn't come up in six weeks if the more veteran guys weren't doing the job and he was.
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Ceetar Feb 12 2012 08:27 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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DePodesta had said late last year that Nieuwenhuis would've probably gotten a September look if he hadn't gotten hurt as well. Sounds like the best case scenario is he's Ike Davis of 2010, kills Spring Training, continues to hit in the minors and forces his way up. I doubt Torres will be as bad as Jacobs, but an injury could accelerate things as well.
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Edgy MD Feb 12 2012 09:05 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Torres may not but his backup might.
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Ceetar Feb 12 2012 09:13 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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You really think the Mets are gonna promote Nieuwenhuis to play part time?
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Edgy MD Feb 12 2012 09:36 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
It happens sometimes. Happened with Tejada, for instance.
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Ceetar Feb 12 2012 09:53 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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Oh, I agree, but the prevailing reason given for him not making the team is wanting him to get some more AB in the minors. I guess the hitting lefty thing is a big factor, if the Baxter type isn't getting it done, but I don't think it happens if Torres is doing very well.
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Edgy MD Feb 21 2012 08:35 AM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Tommy Hanson and the Braves trying to break the Mets stranglehold on the concussion market.
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Edgy MD Feb 22 2012 01:03 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Tim Hudson, coming off back surgery, looks to be out until early May, and the Mets --- for right now at least --- look to have a stronger rotation in 2012 than at least one division rival.
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Frayed Knot Mar 16 2012 03:15 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
- Phillies release Dontrelle Willis who was trying out for a pen job
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metirish Mar 26 2012 02:59 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Jon Heyman ? @JonHeymanCBS
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Ashie62 Mar 26 2012 04:09 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Its true the Mets can recover 3/4 of Pelfrey unguaranteed salary by releasing him before opening day?
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smg58 Mar 26 2012 04:56 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
Young is not likely to be ready for Opening Day at this point, but at the very least it gives the Mets an option should Pelfrey fail to enormously improve on his ST performance once the games count.
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Ashie62 Mar 26 2012 08:49 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
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I know Young won't be ready anytime soon, but geez, throw just about anybody out there to save 4.5 million..
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Edgy MD Mar 26 2012 09:29 PM Re: NL East winter moves 2011-12 |
I don't believe it's that easy for a minute. Come on, you can't possibly either.
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