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Trade David Wright NOW!!!
Gwreck Dec 05 2011 10:58 AM |
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You heard me.
I'd do it. Bourjos and Conger each have less than two years of ML service time so it's going to be a long while until free agency for both. They also happen to play positions (CF and C) that we could really use some competent players in so as to not be a total embarrassment. Murphy moves to third base.
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metirish Dec 05 2011 11:05 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
I'd do it , no idea if they are top prospects but I'd trust the judgment of Alderson with that.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 05 2011 11:19 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
It's a nice thought, but I really don't think they're getting both for him, and I'm not sure one would be worth the PR hit of losing Wright.
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Edgy MD Dec 05 2011 11:22 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
Go Mets. This means Wright, too.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2011 11:43 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
I am definitely not on board with trading Wright.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 05 2011 11:48 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
I don't think I could do that right now.
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Vic Sage Dec 05 2011 11:54 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
half measures are half-assed... If we're in a rebuild mode, then rebuild.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2011 11:56 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
If the Mets keep him, he becomes a free agent after 2013.
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Edgy MD Dec 05 2011 12:01 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
Rebuild to what? They're already among the youngest teams in the league.
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Vic Sage Dec 05 2011 12:01 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 05 2011 12:04 PM |
right. so whoever gets him, gets him for 1 year (or less, if its a mid-season deal).
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Vic Sage Dec 05 2011 12:02 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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yeah, but not the cheapest, with Bay, Santana and Wright still on board. and there's a difference between being up and coming, and just young.
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metirish Dec 05 2011 12:06 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
David Wright 3b
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TransMonk Dec 05 2011 12:12 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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This.
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Vic Sage Dec 05 2011 12:31 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 05 2011 12:37 PM |
With regard to his contract, then, if all Wright can do is "void" the 2013 option, then presumably the Mets can wait and exercise the option after 2012 season, and THEN trade him. He'll still be available to another team for only 1 full year (just as he would this off-season), and in theory he could enhance his value by coming off a better year (playing in Citi in 2012 with the fences in and, hopefully, healthy).
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Edgy MD Dec 05 2011 12:35 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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Well, call me ceetar, but I don't think they're merely young. Ike Davis ain't Gary Rajsich. Lucas Duda ain't Mike Vail. I'll even go so far as to say Ruben Tejada ain't Tim Bogar. I'm willing to go forward. You get kicked out of TITTS or something?
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2011 12:42 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
Well, Lucas Duda might be Mike Vail.
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Vic Sage Dec 05 2011 12:43 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 05 2011 12:53 PM |
Yes, Ike Davis seems like a legit 2-way player, with significant minor league production (and bloodlines, for whatever that's worth) to back up his major league production so far. But I'm not confident in Duda being an everyday OFer, nor Tejada providing much with the bat, long term. Nor am i salivating over Murphy's future, either. No, I don't think that's the core of a championship team. We're going to need to make some moves to find such core guys, and Wright's the only guy on the roster who is (1) likely to net us a young stud or 2, and (2) will be an expensive FA over 30, by the time we're any good again.
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Vic Sage Dec 05 2011 12:50 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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The principle behind TiTTS was that the Mets were a rich big-market franchise that could outspend its opponents and so didn't have to rely on building through the minors, as other more franchises with less resources did. You let other major league teams become your farm teams. Of course, you still had to make good decisions and spend wisely, and with Minaya, we didn't. Ironically, now that we finally have a GM i trust, we're clearly not being operated like a rich big-market club anymore, so TiTTS is not the philosophy to adopt right now. Now, instead, its time to maximize value and turn as many guys 30+ into younger assets with higher upside.
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Edgy MD Dec 05 2011 12:54 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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Well, there's Wright, too. Wright's still got more future ahead of him than a gaggle of players. A parliament of players. A murder of them. If he's got to go, it'll be an issue of his affordability, or an overwhelming offer. We'll see. But starting from the must-be-dealt position undercuts a team's perspective and contaminates everything.
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Edgy MD Dec 05 2011 12:56 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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You crack me up.
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Vic Sage Dec 05 2011 01:09 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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i'm not saying he "must" be dealt. i don't even think he "must" be dealt. I'm saying it would be a good idea, after next season, if he's recovered some or much of his value, to cash in on it and sell high (for a change), and turn him into some blue chippers. Because he's the only significant asset we have to deal, and by the time we're any good, he's likely to be past his peak.
"You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?"
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Edgy MD Dec 05 2011 01:13 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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Well, that's not the title of this thread.
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smg58 Dec 05 2011 01:21 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
I don't see much point in keeping Wright. The difference between him and Murphy at third is much smaller than the difference in their salaries, and how long they'd be under team control. Short-term PR should not be as important as long-term best interests.
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Vic Sage Dec 05 2011 01:36 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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first of all, it won't be the difference between Wright and Murphy... it'll be the difference between Wright and whoever they use at 2b when Murphy moves to 3b... probably turner. I'd suggest that is a bigger dropoff, but that's not my point. Nor is the difference in salary relevant, because the Wilpons have made it clear that they're just going to put that difference in their pocket, not on the field. the issue is maximizing assets. If Bourgos and Conger are available now, with Wright coming off a poor and injury-riddled year and only available to a buyer for 1 season, they might do even better if David has a decent year. He'll still have 1 year available to deal, at the same salary. Now if you think Bourgos and Conger are so good, that an equivalent or better value won't be available to the Mets next year even if Wright is coming off a good season, then i'd agree. make the deal. But i don't think its true. there's always another crop of young blue chippers around, and if David reestablishes his A-S bone fides, he'll bring more in return. QED.
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Edgy MD Dec 05 2011 01:49 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
Yeah, you replace Wright with Murphy, you not only lose the difference between them, but you lose thet half-to-two-thirds of secondbase play that you're hoping for from Murphy, plus your backup firstbaseman/pinch-hitter, thirdbaseman, and maybe-leftfielder.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 05 2011 02:04 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
I'd be more willing to buy into the strategy if it could be summed up in a hilarious anagram.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2011 02:05 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
How about a haiku? They seem to be all the rage lately.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2011 02:09 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
David is aging
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seawolf17 Dec 05 2011 02:13 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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Well, there you go. I'm torn on this, but as a fan base, it's not like we could be madder. You might as well trade him now while we're already on the ground; gives us more time to learn to love the new guys.
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Vic Sage Dec 05 2011 02:19 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
with their money gone,
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Edgy MD Dec 05 2011 02:19 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
I don't think psychological manipulation works when you use it on yourself.
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seawolf17 Dec 05 2011 02:29 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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Nah. Too many syllables in the last line. With their money gone The Wilpons may sell or trade All our favorite guys
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2011 02:30 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
Maybe Vic pronounces "entire" with a southern accent. "En-tarr"
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Nymr83 Dec 05 2011 02:57 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
I really hate to say it, but I don't think the Mets can contend before 2014. I'd deal Wright if there was a blue chip prospect coming back. Otherwise, I'd suck it up and lose with him.
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Vic Sage Dec 05 2011 03:08 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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exactly. I'm from south Brooklyn. that's the way we say it.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 05 2011 04:00 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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"Whole damn" serves here just as well.
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metirish Dec 06 2011 12:44 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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Mets have no plans to trade Wright
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 06 2011 12:55 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
They really have to rethink that Pagan/Pelfrey money.
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Rockin' Doc Dec 07 2011 07:38 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
It's going to be a very long season in 2012.
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Edgy MD Dec 07 2011 08:01 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
It's going to be amazin'.
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Mets – Willets Point Dec 07 2011 08:16 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
I'm going to pretend that the recent flurry of moves is Sandy Alderson beginning to put the pieces together for the Moneyball-style team that will take the National League by storm in 2012.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 07 2011 08:24 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
Wright's gonna have a great year.
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Vic Sage Dec 07 2011 09:10 PM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
Now? NOW your on the dW bandwagon?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 08 2011 05:28 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
I'm a total Wright fangirl, always been, but especially now that he's the last remaining player from my my true-believer days.
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Gwreck Dec 08 2011 06:23 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
Wow. He really is the last one left.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 08 2011 06:40 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
Wright's a goner. If Wright hasn't already played his last full season as a Met, then 2012 will be his last. The only thing that's keeping him here, IMO, is the organization's look wait-and-see if the Mets are in contention come middle of next season. Otherwise, this is a total teardown. The Mets are broke. And if they lost $70M last year, then why shouldn't they lose another $70M or so in 2012? I agree that given the structure of Wright's contract, he should be traded after the 2012 season, if at all ... but if the wright offer comes along ...
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Edgy MD Dec 08 2011 06:41 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
Prediction archives.
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Gwreck Dec 08 2011 07:31 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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Not paying Castillo, Perez and Gary Matthews Jr. will save about $20M? Your point holds though -- they can expect attendance/revenues to keep going down.
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Edgy MD Dec 08 2011 07:35 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
Or maybe stabilize. Or, maybe, go up, if things go well.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 08 2011 07:41 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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You're right. I wrote fast, and forgot to factor the reduction in payroll. But there's every reason to believe that non-payroll losses should continue ... and even increase unless the Mets contend deep into the season. Isn't that why the Mets are cutting payroll drastically? To offset the other losses?
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attgig Dec 08 2011 08:22 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
I'd love to see a trade for a great team controlled catching prospect and a good SP prospect. both major league ready or one year away from it.
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attgig Dec 08 2011 08:23 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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we're paying bonilla now. stupid bonilla.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 08 2011 09:24 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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Well, yes. And Jeffy could discover a multi-cancer cure derived from something he finds up his nose during flu season. All things are possible, to a degree.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 08 2011 09:32 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
Chapter 11 can rescue us. I was hoping it would arrive this year, but may not till debt payments come due.
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Edgy MD Dec 08 2011 09:46 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
OK, let me be more specific. This team could play well. And if they do, I think fans would respond, Reyes or no Rreyes. Fans are like that.
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Gwreck Dec 08 2011 09:54 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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How many days (and losing seasons) does it take until we get there? Without Reyes (or any other premium talent acquisitions), I'll set the over-under at 3.5 losing seasons. I have no need to move past the disappointment of losing Reyes at this point because there's been no incentive to do so at this point. I have plenty of faith in Alderson's ability to rebuild our player development/analysis system but that's all I've got right now if I don't want to buy premium-price tickets for a 4th or 5th place team.
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Edgy MD Dec 08 2011 10:11 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
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You have no need to move past the disappointment, or no reason?
Well, Reyes wouldn't have been an acquisition but a retention, but yeah. The thing about holding your cards is you don't know which ones are going to come up aces, or when. But it's exciting. All over baseball, while (seemingly) known producers will earn unthinkable sums of money (to varying levels of actually earning --- some won't earn a lick of it), guys you never heard of earning minimum wage are going to establish themselves as productive players, or even stars, this year. More next. I have no doubt that some will be Mets. And that's the real fun. Any rich, corporate welfare hording, criminally implicated blunderbuss can hurl money at players other teams have found and developed. What's the fun in that? Rooting for the clever guy? The courageous guy? The guy zagging when all around him folks cry for him to zig? The guy whose own boss unjustly wants him to outperform his predecessors with fewer resources? The one whose former employees are disparaging him in the media for not showing them L($)O($)V($)E? The one who, rather than getting crippled by self doubt, reminds himself of his faith in his approach, dismisses the insult as a reflection on the callow speaker, and presses on? That's the movie I want to see. Go Mets. They're going to knock your socks off.
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Mets – Willets Point Dec 08 2011 11:39 AM Re: Trade David Wright NOW!!! |
Part of me doubts it will happen that way, but I want to live in Edgy's world. I'll stay there until games played start to show otherwise at least.
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