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Trade David Wright NOW!!!

Gwreck
Dec 05 2011 10:58 AM

You heard me.

Time to be brutally honest here: the Mets have no realistic chance of competing for division titles and/or wild cards in the next two seasons. Nor is there a reasonable expectation of having the necessary funds to re-sign David after he reaches free agency at the end of the 2013 season, nor will the Wilpons be forced out as owners.

Come 2014 or 2015, yes, I do think we can be competitive again. I may not like the decision to jettison Reyes but I am willing to show some faith in Sandy and have him rebuild our farm system.

Jim Bowden (now an ESPN columnist) suggests that Wright could be traded to the Angels for a package of Peter Bourjos and Hank Conger:

New Angels general manager Jerry Dipoto will be busy this week. He is targeting starting pitcher C.J. Wilson and closer Ryan Madson, the two best hurlers in their respective markets. He also might be in the market for a third baseman, and the Mets match up well with the Angels. With Reyes leaving the Mets, it only makes sense for Mets GM Sandy Alderson to trade David Wright now and begin the rebuilding mode in earnest. The Mets might be able to get a package of Peter Bourjos and Hank Conger for Wright. Wright would solve the Angels’ nagging third-base problem, and they could insert prospect Mike Trout in center field.


I'd do it. Bourjos and Conger each have less than two years of ML service time so it's going to be a long while until free agency for both. They also happen to play positions (CF and C) that we could really use some competent players in so as to not be a total embarrassment. Murphy moves to third base.

metirish
Dec 05 2011 11:05 AM
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I'd do it , no idea if they are top prospects but I'd trust the judgment of Alderson with that.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 05 2011 11:19 AM
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It's a nice thought, but I really don't think they're getting both for him, and I'm not sure one would be worth the PR hit of losing Wright.

Edgy MD
Dec 05 2011 11:22 AM
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Go Mets. This means Wright, too.

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 05 2011 11:43 AM
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I am definitely not on board with trading Wright.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 05 2011 11:48 AM
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I don't think I could do that right now.

Maybe in the summer if/when things are rotten.

Vic Sage
Dec 05 2011 11:54 AM
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half measures are half-assed... If we're in a rebuild mode, then rebuild.
yes, trade wright, in the right trade.

I do seem to recall, however, that David had something in his contract that made trading him difficult... either an automatic and expensive extension, or a vesting something or other. Anyone know?

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 05 2011 11:56 AM
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If the Mets keep him, he becomes a free agent after 2013.

If the Mets trade him, he becomes a free agent after 2012.

Edgy MD
Dec 05 2011 12:01 PM
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Rebuild to what? They're already among the youngest teams in the league.

Vic Sage
Dec 05 2011 12:01 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 05 2011 12:04 PM

right. so whoever gets him, gets him for 1 year (or less, if its a mid-season deal).

it's tough because, the longer we wait, the less value he has (in terms of remaining time on his deal), but he's likely to restore some of his luster this season, with the fences pulled in.

I'm tempted, actually, to let him play out the year and reestablish his value. THEN trade him before 2013, when the same 1-year deal scenario will still be available to buyers... unless i'm misinterpreting the provision. Would the Mets be totally prohibited from dealing him after 2012?

Vic Sage
Dec 05 2011 12:02 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
Rebuild to what? They're already among the youngest teams in the league.


yeah, but not the cheapest, with Bay, Santana and Wright still on board.
and there's a difference between being up and coming, and just young.

metirish
Dec 05 2011 12:06 PM
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David Wright 3b
6 years/$55M (2007-2012), plus 2013 club option
6 years/$55M (2007-12), plus 2013 club option
signed extension with Mets 8/06
$1.5M signing bonus
07:$1M, 08:$5M, 09:$7.5M, 10:$10M, 11:$14M, 12:$15M,
13:$16M club option ($1M buyout)
award bonuses: $50,000 each for Gold Glove, All Star selection
if traded, Wright may void 2013 club option
1 year/$0.374M (2006)
renewed by Mets 3/06
1 year/$0.3225M (2005)
re-signed by Mets 3/05
drafted 2001 (1s-38)
$0.96M signing bonus
agent: Levinson brothers, ACES
ML service: 7.075

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/1 ... -mets.html

TransMonk
Dec 05 2011 12:12 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:
half measures are half-assed... If we're in a rebuild mode, then rebuild. yes, trade wright, in the right trade.

This.

Vic Sage
Dec 05 2011 12:31 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 05 2011 12:37 PM

With regard to his contract, then, if all Wright can do is "void" the 2013 option, then presumably the Mets can wait and exercise the option after 2012 season, and THEN trade him. He'll still be available to another team for only 1 full year (just as he would this off-season), and in theory he could enhance his value by coming off a better year (playing in Citi in 2012 with the fences in and, hopefully, healthy).

So i say play him this year, trade him afterwards. With Bay and Santana not coming off the books until after 2013 (both with vesting options for 2014), they'll likely be unmoveable... but David won't. We may be able to get players of value for him.

Edgy MD
Dec 05 2011 12:35 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:
Edgy DC wrote:
Rebuild to what? They're already among the youngest teams in the league.


yeah, but not the cheapest, with Bay, Santana and Wright still on board.
and there's a difference between being up and coming, and just young.

Well, call me ceetar, but I don't think they're merely young. Ike Davis ain't Gary Rajsich. Lucas Duda ain't Mike Vail. I'll even go so far as to say Ruben Tejada ain't Tim Bogar. I'm willing to go forward.

You get kicked out of TITTS or something?

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 05 2011 12:42 PM
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Well, Lucas Duda might be Mike Vail.

But yeah, I do think the youth of the current team is better than some of the other youth movements we've hung our hopes on in the past.

I'm not worried about Bay's 2014 option. It will be easy enough to avoid.

If David Wright was 34 I'd say, yes, by the time the Mets contend again, he'll likely be past his prime. But the Mets outlook may* be a lot brighter in a couple of years, and David will still be young enough to contribute, so I don't want to bail on him.


*Before anyone jumps down my throat, note that I said may and not will.

Vic Sage
Dec 05 2011 12:43 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 05 2011 12:53 PM

Yes, Ike Davis seems like a legit 2-way player, with significant minor league production (and bloodlines, for whatever that's worth) to back up his major league production so far. But I'm not confident in Duda being an everyday OFer, nor Tejada providing much with the bat, long term. Nor am i salivating over Murphy's future, either. No, I don't think that's the core of a championship team. We're going to need to make some moves to find such core guys, and Wright's the only guy on the roster who is (1) likely to net us a young stud or 2, and (2) will be an expensive FA over 30, by the time we're any good again.

Vic Sage
Dec 05 2011 12:50 PM
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You get kicked out of TITTS or something?


The principle behind TiTTS was that the Mets were a rich big-market franchise that could outspend its opponents and so didn't have to rely on building through the minors, as other more franchises with less resources did. You let other major league teams become your farm teams. Of course, you still had to make good decisions and spend wisely, and with Minaya, we didn't. Ironically, now that we finally have a GM i trust, we're clearly not being operated like a rich big-market club anymore, so TiTTS is not the philosophy to adopt right now.

Now, instead, its time to maximize value and turn as many guys 30+ into younger assets with higher upside.

Edgy MD
Dec 05 2011 12:54 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:
Yes, Ike Davis seems like a legit 2-way player, with significant minor league production (and bloodlines, for whatever that's worth) to back up his major league production so far. But I'm not confident in Duda being an everyday OFer, nor Tejada providing much with the bat, long term. Nor am i salivating over Murphy's future, either. No, I don't think that's the core of a championship team. No, I don't think that's the core of a championship team.

Well, there's Wright, too.

Wright's still got more future ahead of him than a gaggle of players. A parliament of players. A murder of them.

If he's got to go, it'll be an issue of his affordability, or an overwhelming offer. We'll see. But starting from the must-be-dealt position undercuts a team's perspective and contaminates everything.

Edgy MD
Dec 05 2011 12:56 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:
You get kicked out of TITTS or something?


The principle behind TiTTS was that the Mets were a rich big-market franchise that could outspend its opponents and so didn't have to rely on building through the minors, as other more franchises with less resources did. You let other major league teams become your farm teams. Of course, you still had to make good decisions and spend wisely, and with Minaya, we didn't. Ironically, now that we finally have a GM i trust, we're clearly not being operated like a rich big-market club anymore, so TiTTS is not the philosophy to adopt right now.

Now, instead, its time to maximize value and turn as many guys 30+ into younger assets with higher upside.

You crack me up.

Vic Sage
Dec 05 2011 01:09 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
If he's got to go, it'll be an issue of his affordability, or an overwhelming offer. We'll see. But starting from the must-be-dealt position undercuts a team's perspective and contaminates everything.


i'm not saying he "must" be dealt. i don't even think he "must" be dealt.

I'm saying it would be a good idea, after next season, if he's recovered some or much of his value, to cash in on it and sell high (for a change), and turn him into some blue chippers. Because he's the only significant asset we have to deal, and by the time we're any good, he's likely to be past his peak.

You crack me up.


"You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?"

Edgy MD
Dec 05 2011 01:13 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:
Edgy DC wrote:
If he's got to go, it'll be an issue of his affordability, or an overwhelming offer. We'll see. But starting from the must-be-dealt position undercuts a team's perspective and contaminates everything.


i'm not saying he "must" be dealt. i don't even think he "must" be dealt.

I'm saying it would be a good idea, after next season, if he's recovered some or much of his value, to cash in on it and sell high (for a change), and turn him into some blue chippers. Because he's the only significant asset we have to deal, and by the time we're any good, he's likely to be past his peak.

Well, that's not the title of this thread.

smg58
Dec 05 2011 01:21 PM
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I don't see much point in keeping Wright. The difference between him and Murphy at third is much smaller than the difference in their salaries, and how long they'd be under team control. Short-term PR should not be as important as long-term best interests.

Bourjos is one of the game's best defensive outfielders, and his bat is at least decent. Conger has some upside, too. I'd make that deal if it were offered, especially if we free up the full salary. We could fill a few pitching holes well with that.

Vic Sage
Dec 05 2011 01:36 PM
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smg58 wrote:
I don't see much point in keeping Wright. The difference between him and Murphy at third is much smaller than the difference in their salaries, and how long they'd be under team control. Short-term PR should not be as important as long-term best interests.

Bourjos is one of the game's best defensive outfielders, and his bat is at least decent. Conger has some upside, too. I'd make that deal if it were offered, especially if we free up the full salary. We could fill a few pitching holes well with that.


first of all, it won't be the difference between Wright and Murphy... it'll be the difference between Wright and whoever they use at 2b when Murphy moves to 3b... probably turner. I'd suggest that is a bigger dropoff, but that's not my point. Nor is the difference in salary relevant, because the Wilpons have made it clear that they're just going to put that difference in their pocket, not on the field.

the issue is maximizing assets. If Bourgos and Conger are available now, with Wright coming off a poor and injury-riddled year and only available to a buyer for 1 season, they might do even better if David has a decent year. He'll still have 1 year available to deal, at the same salary. Now if you think Bourgos and Conger are so good, that an equivalent or better value won't be available to the Mets next year even if Wright is coming off a good season, then i'd agree. make the deal. But i don't think its true. there's always another crop of young blue chippers around, and if David reestablishes his A-S bone fides, he'll bring more in return. QED.

Edgy MD
Dec 05 2011 01:49 PM
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Yeah, you replace Wright with Murphy, you not only lose the difference between them, but you lose thet half-to-two-thirds of secondbase play that you're hoping for from Murphy, plus your backup firstbaseman/pinch-hitter, thirdbaseman, and maybe-leftfielder.

It's like, you're not really replacing Wright with Muprhy, but with chunks of Turner and/or Valdespin or somebody.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 05 2011 02:04 PM
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I'd be more willing to buy into the strategy if it could be summed up in a hilarious anagram.

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 05 2011 02:05 PM
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How about a haiku? They seem to be all the rage lately.

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 05 2011 02:09 PM
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David is aging
Next pennant race is far off
Trade now for some youth

seawolf17
Dec 05 2011 02:13 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
David is aging
Next pennant race is far off
Trade now for some youth

Well, there you go.

I'm torn on this, but as a fan base, it's not like we could be madder. You might as well trade him now while we're already on the ground; gives us more time to learn to love the new guys.

Vic Sage
Dec 05 2011 02:19 PM
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with their money gone,
The Wilpons may sell or trade
the entire roster.

Edgy MD
Dec 05 2011 02:19 PM
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I don't think psychological manipulation works when you use it on yourself.

seawolf17
Dec 05 2011 02:29 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:
with their money gone,
The Wilpons may sell or trade
the entire roster.

Nah. Too many syllables in the last line.

With their money gone
The Wilpons may sell or trade
All our favorite guys

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 05 2011 02:30 PM
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Maybe Vic pronounces "entire" with a southern accent. "En-tarr"

Nymr83
Dec 05 2011 02:57 PM
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I really hate to say it, but I don't think the Mets can contend before 2014. I'd deal Wright if there was a blue chip prospect coming back. Otherwise, I'd suck it up and lose with him.

Vic Sage
Dec 05 2011 03:08 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Maybe Vic pronounces "entire" with a southern accent. "En-tarr"


exactly. I'm from south Brooklyn. that's the way we say it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 05 2011 04:00 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:
Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Maybe Vic pronounces "entire" with a southern accent. "En-tarr"


exactly. I'm from south Brooklyn. that's the way we say it.


"Whole damn" serves here just as well.

metirish
Dec 06 2011 12:44 PM
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Mets have no plans to trade Wright
Published: December 5, 2011 10:19 PM
By DAVID LENNON david.lennon@newsday.com



DALLAS -- Despite Sandy Alderson's bleak financial outlook for 2012 and a payroll that is expected to be no higher than $100 million, the Mets have no intention of following Jose Reyes' departure with a trade of their other franchise player, David Wright.

Not yet, anyway. As the Mets and a stricken fan base continued to cope with the fallout from Reyes' defection to the Marlins late Sunday night, Alderson explained why he has no plans to dump two of his biggest gate attractions during the same offseason, regardless of the savings. With the Mets struggling to sell tickets, trading the popular Wright would be tough for the franchise to absorb.

"Yeah, it comes into play," Alderson said Monday. "I've acknowledged that before. At the same time, as another take on it, we just reconfigured our fences. That's a longer-term proposition, but it certainly would have a short-term impact on somebody like David.

"It would be a little bit inconsistent for us to make those changes and then turn around and trade one of the two or three people that might benefit the most from those changes."

The decision to make Citi Field more hitter-friendly for 2012 was embraced by Wright, who admitted that the original cavernous dimensions had crept into his head. For a team that always has leaned on him heavily, pulling in the fences seems to have returned the favor.

Plus, Alderson said Wright also has value outside the foul lines. "David has been not just an excellent player for the Mets but also a very loyal spokesperson for the franchise," Alderson said, "and I think all of those things are taken into account."
The Mets set up a conference call Monday night for Wright to speak about Reyes' departure, but the team abruptly canceled it without explanation shortly after Wright appeared on a radio show to discuss the same topic at length.

Wright, like Reyes, is a homegrown star. But he's entering the final season of his six-year, $55-million contract, and with a $16-million club option for 2013, he could be nearing the end of his run in Flushing.
"The goal for me is to play out those two years and see what happens after that," Wright told 1050 ESPN. "But I don't think there's any question that you see what Jose has done and Jose leaving and there are going to be questions surrounding what my future is going to be.

"I understand that we're very similar as far as age and what we've endured here in New York. I'm not sure what my future holds. But again, that's out of my control."

Wright now is one of six players who account for roughly $64 million of the 2012 payroll, and Alderson said Monday he has roughly $20 million to $25 million left to improve the team for 2012. The GM also said the plan is for Angel Pagan and Mike Pelfrey to return, which subtracts another $10 million in arbitration, leaving Alderson with only $15 million -- tops -- to spend this winter.
That's not much with the Mets needing a closer, additional bullpen help, a backup catcher and a fifth outfielder. The Twins reportedly took Matt Capps off the market Monday with a one-year deal for $4.75 million, so he's no longer a closer candidate. The only thing for certain is that Alderson will need to get creative in order to stretch the Mets' limited resources.


"We need to get back to the point where we're closer to break-even," said Alderson, who mentioned Sunday night that the Mets lost $70 million this year. "This, by the way, would be true of any owner. This isn't about one individual. You can't sustain losses of the kind we have over the last couple of years and expect anybody to endure those."

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 06 2011 12:55 PM
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They really have to rethink that Pagan/Pelfrey money.

Rockin' Doc
Dec 07 2011 07:38 PM
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It's going to be a very long season in 2012.

Edgy MD
Dec 07 2011 08:01 PM
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It's going to be amazin'.

Mets – Willets Point
Dec 07 2011 08:16 PM
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I'm going to pretend that the recent flurry of moves is Sandy Alderson beginning to put the pieces together for the Moneyball-style team that will take the National League by storm in 2012.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 07 2011 08:24 PM
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Wright's gonna have a great year.

Vic Sage
Dec 07 2011 09:10 PM
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Now? NOW your on the dW bandwagon?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 08 2011 05:28 AM
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I'm a total Wright fangirl, always been, but especially now that he's the last remaining player from my my true-believer days.

Those collapsed in a dusty heap when the wrecking ball hit Shea.

Gwreck
Dec 08 2011 06:23 AM
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Wow. He really is the last one left.

I know Lunchbucket has posited his theory about the last game at Shea being the major turning point and I wasn't always sure I agreed, but his point gets stronger with each passing day here.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 08 2011 06:40 AM
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Wright's a goner. If Wright hasn't already played his last full season as a Met, then 2012 will be his last. The only thing that's keeping him here, IMO, is the organization's look wait-and-see if the Mets are in contention come middle of next season. Otherwise, this is a total teardown. The Mets are broke. And if they lost $70M last year, then why shouldn't they lose another $70M or so in 2012? I agree that given the structure of Wright's contract, he should be traded after the 2012 season, if at all ... but if the wright offer comes along ...

Edgy MD
Dec 08 2011 06:41 AM
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Prediction archives.

Gwreck
Dec 08 2011 07:31 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
And if they lost $70M last year, then why shouldn't they lose another $70M or so in 2012?


Not paying Castillo, Perez and Gary Matthews Jr. will save about $20M?

Your point holds though -- they can expect attendance/revenues to keep going down.

Edgy MD
Dec 08 2011 07:35 AM
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Or maybe stabilize. Or, maybe, go up, if things go well.

Things could go well. Reyes wasn't everything.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 08 2011 07:41 AM
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Gwreck wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
And if they lost $70M last year, then why shouldn't they lose another $70M or so in 2012?


Not paying Castillo, Perez and Gary Matthews Jr. will save about $20M?

Your point holds though -- they can expect attendance/revenues to keep going down.


You're right. I wrote fast, and forgot to factor the reduction in payroll. But there's every reason to believe that non-payroll losses should continue ... and even increase unless the Mets contend deep into the season. Isn't that why the Mets are cutting payroll drastically? To offset the other losses?

attgig
Dec 08 2011 08:22 AM
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I'd love to see a trade for a great team controlled catching prospect and a good SP prospect. both major league ready or one year away from it.
but yeah, if Wright were to leave, the mets would be hard pressed to get fans in the seat, and I just don't think they'll do it.

with the Angels and pujols, maybe we can trade wright for kendry or trumbo with a prospect, and then send ike for more prospects.

who knows. too much in flux.

attgig
Dec 08 2011 08:23 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
And if they lost $70M last year, then why shouldn't they lose another $70M or so in 2012?


Not paying Castillo, Perez and Gary Matthews Jr. will save about $20M?

Your point holds though -- they can expect attendance/revenues to keep going down.


You're right. I wrote fast, and forgot to factor the reduction in payroll. But there's every reason to believe that non-payroll losses should continue ... and even increase unless the Mets contend deep into the season. Isn't that why the Mets are cutting payroll drastically? To offset the other losses?


we're paying bonilla now. stupid bonilla.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 08 2011 09:24 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
Or maybe stabilize. Or, maybe, go up, if things go well.

Things could go well. Reyes wasn't everything.


Well, yes. And Jeffy could discover a multi-cancer cure derived from something he finds up his nose during flu season. All things are possible, to a degree.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 08 2011 09:32 AM
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Chapter 11 can rescue us. I was hoping it would arrive this year, but may not till debt payments come due.

Edgy MD
Dec 08 2011 09:46 AM
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OK, let me be more specific. This team could play well. And if they do, I think fans would respond, Reyes or no Rreyes. Fans are like that.

Throwing money at big-time players is the one thing most fans seem to both demand and ridicule --- to both celebrate and mock their team for. In the end, whether the Mets have a payroll of $100 million or $150 million, that decision has to be made on a cost-benefit analysis. And it sure seems debateable to me.

And if it's debatebable whether matching or exceeding the Marlins' offer to Reyes wold have been a good move, then it's debateable whether not signing him will trigger a further deterioration in the team's competitiveness and profitabliity.

Losing Reyes is disappointing. But I'm so far past it at this point that I'm looking to lap it. Every day brings us closer to stabilizing the franchise from the triple-storm effects of the Madoff scandal, the economy, and the over-investments in over-valued asseets that took place before those whammies.

Or it brings us closer to the day a jury hands down a decision making the continued ownership of the Wilpons unviable. One or the other. Still I press onward.

Gwreck
Dec 08 2011 09:54 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
Losing Reyes is disappointing. But I'm so far past it at this point that I'm looking to lap it. Every day brings us closer to stabilizing the franchise from the triple-storm effects of the Madoff scandal, the economy, and the over-investments in over-valued asseets that took place before those whammies.


How many days (and losing seasons) does it take until we get there?
Without Reyes (or any other premium talent acquisitions), I'll set the over-under at 3.5 losing seasons.

I have no need to move past the disappointment of losing Reyes at this point because there's been no incentive to do so at this point. I have plenty of faith in Alderson's ability to rebuild our player development/analysis system but that's all I've got right now if I don't want to buy premium-price tickets for a 4th or 5th place team.

Edgy MD
Dec 08 2011 10:11 AM
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You have no need to move past the disappointment, or no reason?

Without Reyes (or any other premium talent acquisitions)...


Well, Reyes wouldn't have been an acquisition but a retention, but yeah.

The thing about holding your cards is you don't know which ones are going to come up aces, or when. But it's exciting. All over baseball, while (seemingly) known producers will earn unthinkable sums of money (to varying levels of actually earning --- some won't earn a lick of it), guys you never heard of earning minimum wage are going to establish themselves as productive players, or even stars, this year. More next. I have no doubt that some will be Mets.

And that's the real fun. Any rich, corporate welfare hording, criminally implicated blunderbuss can hurl money at players other teams have found and developed. What's the fun in that?

Rooting for the clever guy? The courageous guy? The guy zagging when all around him folks cry for him to zig? The guy whose own boss unjustly wants him to outperform his predecessors with fewer resources? The one whose former employees are disparaging him in the media for not showing them L($)O($)V($)E? The one who, rather than getting crippled by self doubt, reminds himself of his faith in his approach, dismisses the insult as a reflection on the callow speaker, and presses on?

That's the movie I want to see. Go Mets. They're going to knock your socks off.

Mets – Willets Point
Dec 08 2011 11:39 AM
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Part of me doubts it will happen that way, but I want to live in Edgy's world. I'll stay there until games played start to show otherwise at least.