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David vs. the Krane

G-Fafif Dec 05 2011 12:33 PM

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through 2011 Season 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT 1,248 CAPS denote currently active with Mets. Sigh.

Edgy MD Dec 05 2011 01:01 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Number two active guy is... Pagan? Murphy?

seawolf17 Dec 05 2011 01:05 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Edgy DC wrote: Number two active guy is... Pagan? Murphy? Pelfrey.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2011 01:08 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Pagan 423 Murphy 301 Nobody else has more than 200. (Although if he comes back, Endy Chavez is at 223.)

G-Fafif Apr 04 2012 09:12 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Simon says: David's coming for the Krane, the Straw and the (sigh) Fish.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 05 2012 05:00 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Some good stuff in that article. Here it is, for posterity: Statistical stories for 2012 By Mark Simon, ESPN Stats & Information Expectations are low for the Mets this season. Very low. Good luck trying to find someone who will pick them to finish with a winning record. Yet, there is intrigue of a statistical nature to be mined from the depths of fan despair. Here’s a look at some of the most interesting numerical storylines for 2012: Wright’s record pursuit How long will David Wright remain a Met? Well, at least long enough to break a few records. Wright already holds the Mets marks for doubles and total bases. Among the most-prominent records in Wright’s sights are ... Most RBI: Wright’s 725 are eight shy of the Mets mark held by Darryl Strawberry. Most Runs: Wright enters 2012 with 699, 36 shy of now-former Met Jose Reyes. Most Hits: No guarantee he’ll get this one, but with a full season, he should come close. Wright enters with 1,248 hits, 170 shy of Ed Kranepool’s 1,418. Did you know ... Lesser-known Mets records he could also surpass include most walks (45 shy of Strawberry), most strikeouts (63 shy of Strawberry), most sacrifice flies (five behind Kranepool) and times hit by a pitch (eight shy of Ron Hunt). How will Citi Field play? Last October, the Mets announced that there would be significant changes to Citi Field’s dimensions and outfield fence heights. The reconfigured outfield wall will be a uniform eight feet in height. The dimensions from left to right are: 335-358-385-408-398-375-330. The old measurements, although not precisely in the same spots, were: 335-371-384-408-415-378-330. Mets management did studies showing the team would have hit 81 more home runs at home in the last three seasons, and allowed only 70 more with the new dimensions. Home Runs at Citi Field 2009 to 2011 Mets Opponents 2009 49 81 2010 63 47 2011 50 58 Those who figure to be most impacted by the changes are: David Wright: Wright hit eight home runs to right-center field at Shea Stadium from 2006 to 2008, but only one to that area in the three seasons of Citi Field. Jason Bay: During the last two seasons, Bay hit 12 fly balls to left field in Citi Field that traveled an estimated 370 feet or more. Only six left the ballpark. That’s underachieving. The typical 370-foot-plus ball to left field goes out of the ballpark 80 percent of the time. Left-Handed Hitters: In their three-season history, no Mets left-handed batter has hit a home run to left field. Ike Davis and Lucas Duda should have a better chance at it now. Did you know ... The Mets have 169 road home runs over the last three seasons, second-fewest in the majors, ahead of only the Astros, at 158. Johan If nothing else, the Mets have a better-than-reasonable chance to spend at least one day this season above .500, since Johan Santana made it through spring training and will pitch on Opening Day against the Braves. The pitch to watch in Santana’s return will be the changeup. From 2004 to 2008, when Santana was in his prime with the Twins, there was no more valuable out pitch in baseball, per advanced stat measurements on Fangraphs.com. In 2009 and 2010, the pitch was still good, but nowhere near as valuable. What could be frustrating is if the Mets bullpen and bats fail to support Santana, something he was familiar with in his first three seasons. From 2008 to 2010, the Mets lost 15 starts in which Santana went at least seven innings and allowed two runs or fewer. Over those three seasons, that was the most team losses in a pitcher’s starts in the majors. Did you know ... If Santana finishes the season as an ERA-title qualifier, with a sub-three ERA, he would have three such seasons as a Met. The only Mets with at least three such seasons are Tom Seaver (9), Jerry Koosman (4), Dwight Gooden (3), Sid Fernandez (3) and Jon Matlack (3). Replacing Reyes The expectations for Ruben Tejada aren’t necessarily great, but there will be pressure on him to at least be adequate in attempting to replace Reyes. What Tejada has going for him is that he’s young (22) and improving. He finished 2011 with a .360 on-base percentage (.368 after the All-Star Break) and had the second-highest line-drive rate on the team (21.4 percent), trailing only Willie Harris. He has shown flashes of being very good on the defensive end. What’s missing from Tejada’s game is the wow factor that Reyes brought with him. In 174 major league games, Tejada has just one triple and seven stolen bases. Tejada has minimal power, though he did hit a pair of home runs this spring. His .335 slugging percentage last season was two points lower than Reyes’ 2011 batting average. Reyes had four years in which he was worth at least five Wins Above Replacement in his last six seasons. A reasonable expectation would be for Tejada to be worth half as much. Did you know ... Tejada will not be the youngest Mets Opening Day shortstop. Nor was Reyes. The distinction actually falls to longtime major league coach Jose Oquendo, who started at shortstop on Opening Day for the 1984 Mets at age 20. Everybody Loves Lucas The offensive expectations for Lucas Duda seem to be high after an impressive spring training and stellar work in the latter part of 2011. Some have drawn the Dave Kingman comparison, because Duda fits the profile of the slugger who can’t catch the ball. But on the offensive side, Duda may be a little bit better. His strikeout rate last season was such that if given 550 plate appearances, he’d have had only 90 whiffs. Duda hit a respectable .219 and slugged .391 with two strikes last season, both considerably above the major league averages of .184 and .279 for non-pitchers. He only missed about once for every six two-strike swings, also better than the major league rate of about one in five. Did you know ... Duda slugged .482 as a rookie in 2011, the fourth-highest slugging percentage by a Mets rookie with at least 250 plate appearances. The three higher were by Benny Agbayani (.525), Wright (.525) and Strawberry (.512). Good luck trying to find someone who will pick them to finish with a winning record. We have a few of them around here, Mark!

cooby Apr 05 2012 02:33 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Number 1 staggers me. Really, still?

G-Fafif Apr 05 2012 09:04 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 4/5/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT 1,250

G-Fafif Apr 07 2012 06:14 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 4/7/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT 1,253

G-Fafif Apr 08 2012 05:25 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 4/8/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT 1,254

G-Fafif Apr 11 2012 09:27 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 4/9/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT 1,255

G-Fafif Apr 14 2012 05:54 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 4/14/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT 1,258

G-Fafif Apr 15 2012 05:51 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 4/15/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT 1,260

G-Fafif Apr 16 2012 09:10 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 4/16/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT 1,261

G-Fafif Apr 18 2012 05:22 AM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 18 2012 02:07 PM

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 4/17/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT 1,263

Benjamin Grimm Apr 18 2012 07:07 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

If David keeps getting two hits every game, how long before we start comparing his totals to those of Rose, Cobb, and Musial?

G-Fafif Apr 18 2012 02:07 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 4/18/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT 1,265

G-Fafif Apr 20 2012 10:48 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 4/20/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT 1,266

G-Fafif Apr 25 2012 09:14 PM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 13 2012 03:05 PM

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 4/25/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT [crossout]1,267[/crossout] 1,268

G-Fafif Apr 26 2012 09:15 PM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 13 2012 03:06 PM

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 4/26/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT [crossout]1,268[/crossout] 1,269

G-Fafif Apr 29 2012 03:44 AM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 13 2012 03:06 PM

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 4/28/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT [crossout]1,272[/crossout] 1,273

G-Fafif Apr 29 2012 06:51 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 4/29/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT 1,274 [...] T-115. Ron Gardenhire 165 T-115. Vance Wilson 165 T-115. RUBEN TEJADA 165 Current No. 100 is Joe Torre, with 193 hits. Ike has 190, Thole up to 183.

G-Fafif May 01 2012 07:03 AM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 13 2012 03:06 PM

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 4/30/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT [crossout]1,275[/crossout] 1,276

G-Fafif May 01 2012 09:25 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/1/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT 1,277

G-Fafif May 02 2012 08:53 PM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 13 2012 03:07 PM

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/2/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT [crossout]1,278[/crossout] 1,279

G-Fafif May 06 2012 04:55 AM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 13 2012 03:07 PM

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/5/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT [crossout]1,279[/crossout] 1,280

G-Fafif May 06 2012 02:28 PM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 13 2012 03:08 PM

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/6/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT [crossout]1,280[/crossout] 1,281

G-Fafif May 08 2012 08:39 AM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 13 2012 03:08 PM

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/7/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT [crossout]1,281[/crossout] 1,282

G-Fafif May 08 2012 08:33 PM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 13 2012 03:08 PM

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/8/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT [crossout]1,283[/crossout] 1,284

batmagadanleadoff May 08 2012 08:42 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

David Wright is on pace to break Kranepool's franchise career hit record on Friday, September 14, 2012, at Milwaukee.

Ceetar May 09 2012 06:42 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

batmagadanleadoff wrote: David Wright is on pace to break Kranepool's franchise career hit record on Friday, September 14, 2012, at Milwaukee. factoring in a couple of days of rest, he could do it at home the following week when Philly is in town.

Benjamin Grimm May 09 2012 07:18 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

He also projects to have another four or five broken pinkies between now and the end of the season.

Frayed Knot May 09 2012 07:19 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Didn't know he had that many pinkies. Most folks just have two. He really is special!

TransMonk May 09 2012 07:39 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

batmagadanleadoff wrote: David Wright is on pace to break Kranepool's franchise career hit record on Friday, September 14, 2012, at Milwaukee. I'll be there if he does.

batmagadanleadoff May 09 2012 09:55 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Benjamin Grimm wrote: He also projects to have another four or five broken pinkies between now and the end of the season. This is sorta factored into the projection. Wright's current pace (36 hits in 30 team games) accounts for him missing 10% of this season's games (3 out of 30) because of his pinky injury. A healthier Wright going forward projects to breaking Krane's record before 9/14/12. OTOH, Wright probably won't be hitting at a .375 clip all season long either.

Edgy MD May 09 2012 10:06 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Yeah, I think ceetar was the one not giving you credit for accounting for that. Grimmy was just having fun with that.

Ceetar May 09 2012 10:09 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Edgy DC wrote: Yeah, I think ceetar was the one not giving you credit for accounting for that. Grimmy was just having fun with that. Indeed. I was just trying to look for a way for him to do it at home! so I guess if broken pinkies is factored in we should look for him to break it earlier..they're home the series before that Brewer series.

Edgy MD May 09 2012 10:14 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

You're definitely on your own.

G-Fafif May 09 2012 10:33 PM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 13 2012 03:09 PM

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/9/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT [crossout]1,285[/crossout] 1,286

batmagadanleadoff May 09 2012 11:02 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

David Wright is on pace to break Kranepool's franchise career hit record on Monday, September 10, 2012, at home against the Nationals.

G-Fafif May 12 2012 11:05 AM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 13 2012 03:09 PM

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/11/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT [crossout]1,288[/crossout] 1,289

Frayed Knot May 12 2012 12:42 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

A couple more this weekend and Wright can catch Reyes while playing in Jose's house. OK, so maybe that's pushing it.

Mets – Willets Point May 12 2012 03:18 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Frayed Knot wrote: A couple more this weekend and Wright can catch Reyes while playing in Jose's house. OK, so maybe that's pushing it. I would love to see a 12-hit game.

G-Fafif May 12 2012 03:25 PM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 13 2012 03:09 PM

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/12/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT [crossout]1,292[/crossout] 1,293 Plus four perfectly good hits by Reyes that do him no good in this thread.

Ceetar May 12 2012 03:28 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Wright now needs less hits than games played to take this lead this season. the poetic way would be for that hit to be a walk-off NL East clinching hit.

batmagadanleadoff May 12 2012 06:33 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

G-Fafif wrote: METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/12/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT [crossout]1,292[/crossout] 1,293 I'm betting that you'll be happy to learn that Wright has one more hit than you gave him credit for. David Wright is on pace to break Kranepool's franchise career hit record on Thursday, August 30, 2012, at Philadelphia. But if he keeps on playing and hitting at a .400 clip, he'll pass Eddie by the All-Star Break.

G-Fafif May 13 2012 07:27 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

batmagadanleadoff wrote: G-Fafif wrote: METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/12/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT [crossout]1,292[/crossout] 1,293 I'm betting that you'll be happy to learn that Wright has one more hit than you gave him credit for. David Wright is on pace to break Kranepool's franchise career hit record on Thursday, August 30, 2012, at Philadelphia. But if he keeps on playing and hitting at a .400 clip, he'll pass Eddie by the All-Star Break. David Wright is so hot he gets extra hits in my sleep. Happy he has the extra hit. Horrified it fell by the wayside by my reckoning somewhere between April 5 and now.

Ceetar May 13 2012 07:30 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

perhaps an error changed to a hit sometime after the game and no one mentioned it?

Frayed Knot May 13 2012 07:57 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: A couple more this weekend and Wright can catch Reyes while playing in Jose's house. OK, so maybe that's pushing it. I would love to see a 12-hit game. Now all he needs is a 7-hit game. Hey, it's happened before.

Ceetar May 13 2012 08:06 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

found it. You only credited him with 1 hit in your update from through 4/20 in your next update through 4/25 he actually had a hit on 4/24 and 4/25.

G-Fafif May 13 2012 03:11 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Ceetar wrote: found it. You only credited him with 1 hit in your update from through 4/20 in your next update through 4/25 he actually had a hit on 4/24 and 4/25. Thanks for checking (and again to batmags for confirming something I kept meaning to look into because I had the feeling I wasn't on the nose). I went back and corrected his progress from then to now out of a combination of concern for the historical record and my own disgust for letting this slide. Can't blame the umps for this one.

G-Fafif May 13 2012 03:14 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/13/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT 1,294 Mr. .400 is one Rennie Stennett day from passing Jose.

Ceetar May 14 2012 07:33 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Is it..tacky? of me to want the Mets to get involved in this in September if it's a near certainty he's going to pass it? I know 1418 isn't all "OMG HALL OF FAME!" but can we an update on the scoreboard or (maybe fans with an updatable banner?) Kranepool throwing out a first pitch to Wright or something?

G-Fafif May 14 2012 07:49 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

They made a middling deal of David passing Straw for the RBI record, so I assume they'll acknowledge it and then some, unless they're overly conscious of the cheap comparisons the Greek chorus in the media will make to the last guy in New York to set a franchise most-hits record. Hopefully they'll really blow it out when he reaches 2,000 and, perhaps, 2,500 in a Mets uniform.

Edgy MD May 14 2012 08:00 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

If the Mets trumpet it, they'll get ripped. If the Mets don't trumpet it, they'll get ripped. FrankieDude just blew the shutout. Need to get back to work.

G-Fafif May 14 2012 08:14 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/14/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT 1,295

batmagadanleadoff May 15 2012 08:05 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

With two more hits tonight, David Wright (.408) passes the Williams line, stretches out his lead in the race for the NL batting crown and is now on pace to break Ed Kranepool's franchise career hit record on Friday, August 24, 2012, at home against the Astros.

G-Fafif May 15 2012 08:58 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/15/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT 1,297 Maybe David was mad at Terry for costing him a chance to overtake Jose one or two at-bats sooner. As is, he has a pretty good chance to become the second Met in less than eight months to get his 1,300th hit against the Reds.

Ceetar May 15 2012 09:25 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

maybe he's mad cause if he got plunked that'd put him back at .500 OBP.

G-Fafif May 17 2012 06:18 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/17/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. Jose Reyes 1,300 3. DAVID WRIGHT 1,299 Hello, Jose? This is David. I'm comin' to getcha, even I have to go to Canada to do it.

G-Fafif May 18 2012 07:02 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

¡Felicidades hermano! METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/18/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 T-2. Jose Reyes 1,300 T-2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,300 David pulled early in Toronto to enjoy sharing second place with his "baseball brother". Scheduled to enjoy it some more tomorrow with a day off, which also works as a mercy rule where his head cold is concerned. Congrats David on being half of No. 2. And on the roundish number.

G-Fafif May 20 2012 03:35 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/20/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,302 3. Jose Reyes 1,300 4. Cleon Jones 1,188 5. Edgardo Alfonzo 1,136 6. Mookie Wilson, 1,112 7. Bud Harrelson 1,029 8. Mike Piazza 1,028 9. Darryl Strawberry 1,025 10. Howard Johnson 997 Adios, Jose, from the Top Two. Watch your back, Eddie.

G-Fafif May 21 2012 11:16 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/21/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,304 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus One Hundred Fourteen

G-Fafif May 23 2012 01:02 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/23/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,305 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus One Hundred Thirteen

Ceetar May 23 2012 01:08 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

I think I heard Josh say at this rate all he has to do is hit .300 the rest of the way.

G-Fafif May 25 2012 05:25 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/24/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,308 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus One Hundred Ten

G-Fafif May 29 2012 09:59 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/29/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,309 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus One Hundred Nine

batmagadanleadoff May 30 2012 12:31 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Though no longer on pace to bat .400, or even lead the NL in batting, David Wright is still on pace to break Eddie K's franchise hit record this season. Target date: Monday, September 10, 2012, at home against the Nats, (Jim Hickman appearing on the season ticket holder stock ticket).

G-Fafif May 30 2012 10:47 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 5/30/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,310 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus One Hundred Eight

G-Fafif Jun 01 2012 08:30 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/1/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,311 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus One Hundred Seven (Superfluous tonight, admittedly.)

G-Fafif Jun 02 2012 11:23 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/2/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,313 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus One Hundred Five

G-Fafif Jun 04 2012 02:06 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/4/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,314 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus One Hundred Four

G-Fafif Jun 06 2012 06:40 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/5/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,316 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus One Hundred Two David now has the most runs, but on this team, nowhere near the most errors.

G-Fafif Jun 07 2012 04:24 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/6/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,317 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus One Hundred One

G-Fafif Jun 07 2012 02:00 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/7/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,319 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 99 We're into double-digits.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 07 2012 02:03 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

It's probably been close to 40 years since somebody was this close to Kranepool.

G-Fafif Jun 07 2012 02:07 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Benjamin Grimm wrote: It's probably been close to 40 years since somebody was this close to Kranepool. What a sad commentary on the Kranepool marriage.

G-Fafif Jun 07 2012 02:10 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Eddie passed Cleon on 5/4/76. Genesis of the hit record here.

G-Fafif Jun 10 2012 11:19 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/9/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,320 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 98

G-Fafif Jun 10 2012 02:16 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/10/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,321 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 97

MFS62 Jun 10 2012 02:22 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

How do they compare in career errors? Later

G-Fafif Jun 13 2012 05:56 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/12/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,322 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 96

G-Fafif Jun 13 2012 06:00 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

MFS62 wrote: How do they compare in career errors? Krane 81, David 154.

Frayed Knot Jun 13 2012 06:39 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

G-Fafif wrote: MFS62 wrote: How do they compare in career errors? Krane 81, David 154. Silly comparison. Full time 3Bs and/or SSs are almost always going to lead your team in errors in a given year. It would be pretty odd circumstances for your 1st baseman to have more than your 3rd sacker and usually the sign of a real bad 1st-baseman although Ventura & Olerud wound up tied at 9 each in '99.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2012 06:48 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Outfielders (which KP was for 250 games) tend to make even fewer errata. Pinch-hitters, still fewer.

G-Fafif Jun 13 2012 06:49 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Also, Ed outtripling David, 25 to 19.

Ceetar Jun 13 2012 06:54 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Ed also has 600 games on David. Only 2000 defensive innings on him though. Ed has 900 DP turned to Wright's 178. And wow, he turned 100 or more in '65, '66 and '67. I guess there were a lot of guys on?

Frayed Knot Jun 13 2012 07:08 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Krane has 31% more triples than Wright in 25% more ABs A bit surprising at first considering better speed and Citi being a better triples park than Shea -- but then you have to figure that more HRs means fewer balls in play which means fewer opportunity for triples. The DP disparity is, of course, easily understood.

Ceetar Jun 13 2012 07:16 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

positionally, are 3-4(6)-3 DPs significantly more common than 5-4-3?

metsmarathon Jun 13 2012 07:20 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

i think the "-3" part of it is really the driver...

Frayed Knot Jun 13 2012 07:22 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Ceetar wrote: positionally, are 3-4(6)-3 DPs significantly more common than 5-4-3? No, but, assuming the stat you're reading denotes DPs that said player is involved in, the 1st baseman gets "credit" for being in on most of the DPs his team turns whereas the guy on the other side of the diamond only gets in on it for those around the horn jobs (that sounds dirty) plus the odd line-drive DP.

Ceetar Jun 13 2012 07:49 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Frayed Knot wrote: Ceetar wrote: positionally, are 3-4(6)-3 DPs significantly more common than 5-4-3? No, but, assuming the stat you're reading denotes DPs that said player is involved in, the 1st baseman gets "credit" for being in on most of the DPs his team turns whereas the guy on the other side of the diamond only gets in on it for those around the horn jobs (that sounds dirty) plus the odd line-drive DP. geeze, good point. where's my head at this morning?

G-Fafif Jun 13 2012 09:00 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/13/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,323 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 95 And I might grab an extra error for Dave tonight.

G-Fafif Jun 14 2012 03:01 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/14/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,326 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 92

G-Fafif Jun 16 2012 12:03 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/15/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,327 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 91

G-Fafif Jun 17 2012 08:51 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/16/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,328 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 90

G-Fafif Jun 17 2012 03:03 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/17/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,329 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 89

G-Fafif Jun 19 2012 04:36 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/18/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,330 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 88

G-Fafif Jun 20 2012 05:42 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/19/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,331 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 87

Mets – Willets Point Jun 20 2012 08:30 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

This thread makes it feel like David has a hit in every game. How many 0-fers does he have this season?

Ceetar Jun 20 2012 08:35 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Mets – Willets Point wrote: This thread makes it feel like David has a hit in every game. How many 0-fers does he have this season? 12 0fers in 65 games. he's on a 10 game hit streak.

G-Fafif Jun 21 2012 04:56 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/20/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,334 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 84

Benjamin Grimm Jun 21 2012 06:03 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Wright just keeps getting closer and closer, doesn't he? It seems like it's been a long time since Kranepool has added to his total.

G-Fafif Jun 21 2012 06:09 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Wright just keeps getting closer and closer, doesn't he? It seems like it's been a long time since Kranepool has added to his total. Ed Kranepool may indeed be over the hill.

G-Fafif Jun 23 2012 05:22 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/22/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,336 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 82

G-Fafif Jun 24 2012 12:32 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/23/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,337 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 81

batmagadanleadoff Jun 24 2012 08:14 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

D Day is September 8, 2012: Game ticket commemorated with the image of the original D Day Met.

G-Fafif Jun 25 2012 05:23 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/24/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,339 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 79

G-Fafif Jun 25 2012 08:48 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

From when the Mets still didn't quite know what to do with Eddie: A 1984 piece reprinted by Mets Merized Online visited the lion somewhat shy of winter. Of course, after playing 17 years for the Mets, Ed Kranepool knows plenty about suffering; adversity was what the Mets were all about, so after a while, you develop a taste for crow. But now that this Metsian legend has hit 40, doesn’t nostalgia dictate that Kranepool have a taste of glory, or at the very least chicken, at a dinner in his honor. “I don’t need them to give me a dinner,” Kranepool says simply, but not very convincingly. Jim Schiaffo, the man who once hit Eddie grounders at Christmas, feels differently. “I’m personally disappointed,” says Schiaffo about the Mets’ oversight. “Seventeen years with the team, and no recognition. They didn’t even buy this kid a sport jacket, for God’s sake.” “I hope that someday they will give him a day,” says ex-wife Carole. “I think it would take away some of the bitterness he feels about leaving the team. He’s hurting.”

Edgy MD Jun 25 2012 09:00 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Thanks for that, Carole.

MFS62 Jun 25 2012 09:02 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

No day? No recognition? No dinner? No sports jacket? Sounds like he also needs a hug. If any of you meet Young Ed (he'll always be "young Ed" to me), please give him one. Later

Benjamin Grimm Jun 25 2012 09:11 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

I suppose it's good to be reminded every once in a while that not all babies are cute.

Edgy MD Jun 25 2012 09:14 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

No day? No recognition? No dinner? No sports jacket? No wifey either, clearly. Don't know who precipitated the breakup, or who had more cause to be bitter, but Carole ended up with Art Kass, the Buddah Records exec who turned the Amazin' Mets into recording artists. The thing about that baby is that for once you see Ed not wearing that grouchy stressed look in his face, but the baby wears the exact look that's missing from Ed.

soupcan Jun 25 2012 09:18 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I suppose it's good to be reminded every once in a while that not all babies are cute. That kid is breathtaking.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 25 2012 09:36 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

What an article. If quotes were hits, David Wright would never catch up. “Pasco, Kennewick, and something else. I don’t know. Three cities. I bought the Walla Walla franchise two years ago and moved it to Tri-Cities the same day I bought it. They didn’t know what was going on, I move so fast.” “It was a commercial venture and somebody was gaining from it. And I wanted Ed Kranepool to gain from it." “Koufax could be a comfortable oh-for-four. “Bob Veale? You’d stand up there and check your drawers at the end of the night.” “I love baseball, but I love it from a financial standpoint, too. I wanna get paid for my talents, and if I can’t get paid then I’ll do something else. And it doesn’t matter to me what I do to earn a living.” He and Gene Simmons have got to get together.

MFS62 Jun 25 2012 09:39 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

I laughed out loud at that comment about Bob Veale. I remember seeing Veale pitch and can appreciate how he felt about facing him. Later

Edgy MD Jun 25 2012 09:46 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: He and Gene Simmons have got to get together. Good analogy.

Ashie62 Jun 25 2012 12:17 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

MFS62 wrote: I laughed out loud at that comment about Bob Veale. I remember seeing Veale pitch and can appreciate how he felt about facing him. Later Veale reminded me of Mudcat Grant..

Edgy MD Jun 25 2012 12:23 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

To me, the best part is the subtext that Kranepool downed enough cold cans of Ohferfour that he could compare and contrast them.

HahnSolo Jun 25 2012 01:08 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Edgy DC wrote: Thanks for that, Carole. Puts to lie the notion that all babies are cute, jeez.

Edgy MD Jun 25 2012 01:10 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

You're all missing the key takeaway here. Krane was way ahead of hipster nation with his badass one-square-inch soul patch.

themetfairy Jun 25 2012 01:12 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

HahnSolo wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Thanks for that, Carole. Puts to lie the notion that all babies are cute, jeez. Maybe that's Benjamin Button. Because that's no baby face!

G-Fafif Jun 26 2012 07:06 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/25/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,340 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 78

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 26 2012 07:33 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Keith Kranepool today

Benjamin Grimm Jun 26 2012 07:40 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Keith Kranepool today I was hoping somebody would do that! Thanks!

Edgy MD Jun 26 2012 08:05 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Still looking a little constipated for the camera.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 26 2012 08:18 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

I definitely see the Kraneness in him.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 26 2012 08:40 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Ed says he is 6 feet 7 inches tall.

SteveJRogers Jun 26 2012 08:45 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

From when the Mets still didn't quite know what to do with Eddie: A 1984 piece reprinted by Mets Merized Online visited the lion somewhat shy of winter. Of course, after playing 17 years for the Mets, Ed Kranepool knows plenty about suffering; adversity was what the Mets were all about, so after a while, you develop a taste for crow. But now that this Metsian legend has hit 40, doesn’t nostalgia dictate that Kranepool have a taste of glory, or at the very least chicken, at a dinner in his honor. “I don’t need them to give me a dinner,” Kranepool says simply, but not very convincingly. Jim Schiaffo, the man who once hit Eddie grounders at Christmas, feels differently. “I’m personally disappointed,” says Schiaffo about the Mets’ oversight. “Seventeen years with the team, and no recognition. They didn’t even buy this kid a sport jacket, for God’s sake.” “I hope that someday they will give him a day,” says ex-wife Carole. “I think it would take away some of the bitterness he feels about leaving the team. He’s hurting.” Seems a bit too bitter for someone of Kranepool's stature. I agree the Mets didn't, and still to this day it seems, have quite the knack of giving honors out for long time ex-players. But at the same time a case could be made that by 1984 they were clocking time until Seaver officially called it quits, which meant everyone was pretty much on hold for any sort of special day. Harrelson and Staub got inducted into the Mets based on pretty much exhausting non-player (save for a certain long time pitching coach) who deserved enshrinement and they didn't want to wait much longer for Tom to finally say "yeah, that's it, I'm done!" And by the same token, never really been too keen on Kranepool being "honored" in the Mets Hall or given a day. Ambassador with the Mets organization? Sure. Trotted out for special events and ? Why not. Yeah he was an original Met, yeah he was at the time of that article a member of both postseason teams (though neither you could claim he was the true everyday starter) but it's by sheer attrition and being a "compiler" (TM Sports Pope Fatcessa) that landed him so high among the Metly leaders. And I don't know, and granted this would be different 30 years ago, but looking at other all time team hit leaders, Kranepool's 1,418 is dwarfed by pretty much every team with a few exceptions, including franchises created after the Mets started. Okay granted teams like the Brewers, Padres and Royals have their hit king in the vaunted 3,000 club, but it does say something about honoring a pedestrian, mostly part time career. Especially when someone with about a decade less in service time is set to break it. I mean is Ron Hodges all broken up that the Mets essentially gave him a Death of A Backup Backstop ending?

G-Fafif Jun 26 2012 08:56 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Ed Kranepool is not to be subjected to pedestrian metrics. He is Ed Kranepool.

Edgy MD Jun 26 2012 09:02 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

We have to see that article for the snapshot in time that it was. 'Pool was a favorite of Mrs. Payson and lived in some protective bubble under her. Even Donald Grant complained of how she placed Krane off-limits from trade consideration. Lorinda DeRoulet didn't value his symbolic role with the team nearly as much and he understandably felt the chill of an Austenian plot developing around him. When the team went up for sale, the plot became more of a War of the Roses type of deal as Kranepool threw his lot in with another bidding team, and envisioned himself the head of baseball operations or somesuch for them, placing himself on the wrong side of history with a second consecutive ownership group. The early Doublepon ownership tried hard to bridge back to the past, reacquiring Kingman, Staub, and Seaver, bringing Harrelson back to coach, and bringing Shamsky into the booth. I'm sure full reconciliation with Kranepool was always on the agenda, but Ed's a businessman, and I'm sure he had his price, however modest.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 26 2012 09:04 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

The issue was that in '79 the organization was so disintegrated that nobody gave a crap and that Kranepool wasn't necessarily retiring voluntarily or happily.

G-Fafif Jun 26 2012 09:11 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

In the summer of '76, after Wayne Garrett had been traded, the Post (Maury Allen, I think) mused about where each of the five final '69 Mets still on the roster would be in five years. Tom Seaver would be broadcasting, Jerry Koosman would be farming in Minnesota, Bud Harrelson would be baseball coach at the University of San Francisco, Jerry Grote would be a rancher in Texas and Ed Kranepool would be the designated hitter for the Kansas City Royals. I was a little surprised come 1980 that the Krane wasn't given a long look by some AL team. He was only 35 and he was lefthanded. But there were probably business reasons for Ed to stay in New York and it wasn't like he hadn't put a lot into playing ball already. Mets did indirectly slap him in the 1986 postseason when he appeared in a commercial for the re-election of Al D'Amato to the senate while wearing what was presumably his last Mets uniform top (with the blue and orange collars and cuffs). Mets swiftly let the D'Amato people know they didn't want their trademark in a political advertisement and the spot was pulled.

Edgy MD Jun 26 2012 09:14 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

The bitter sunset, as detailed in his SABR bio: His relationship with Mets front office, however, slowly headed downhill. It started in 1975, with the death of Mrs. Payson. Kranepool was the only player at her funeral, and her death hit him hard. “She was the sweetest person you’d ever meet,” Kranepool said. “You had a lot of respect for her for who she was, not because she owned the ballclub.” The new management fell to her daughter, Lorinda de Roulet, with whom Kranepool said he should have gotten along, but didn’t. Mrs. de Roulet wasn’t quite equipped to go from running social parties to running a corporation, and she preferred to rely on Joe McDonald, who’d become general manager in 1974, to make business decisions, instead of Donald Grant. “I didn’t have a good relationship with Joe McDonald. I didn’t respect him. I didn’t like him; he didn’t know anything about baseball,” Kranepool said. “There were termites who ate away at the organization, and he was part of the termites. Donald Grant got blamed for it, but Joe McDonald was the one who made the trades.” The sticking point in Kranepool’s disdain for McDonald arose from contract squabbles before the 1977 season. With the advent of free agency, players had more bargaining power and the ability to negotiate multiyear deals, and Kranepool said he needed some time to think over the figure McDonald had offered him. “I live 30 minutes from Shea Stadium; as soon as I got home, the phone rang--he’d taken back the contract,” Kranepool said. “I said, ‘Joe how could you rescind the contract? I just got home!’ But that’s what he did. I cursed him out and used a lot of not-nice words I probably shouldn’t’ve been saying. And hung up.” Kranepool alerted Grant of the situation, and the two met at Fahnestock & Company, Grant’s firm on Wall Street, where a phone call to McDonald confirmed Kranepool’s story. “Donald Grant said, ‘You got the contract, and you got an additional $10,000,’” Kranepool recalled. “It was with a handshake that I signed the contract in his office. A three-year contract. When it was up in ‘79, I knew Joe McDonald was not going to offer me a contract.” As the Mets continued to tailspin back into their form of the early 1960s, Kranepool began hinting that 1979 would be his last year; the rift between him and Mets management was too deep, and he wasn’t getting very many opportunities to play--even as a pinch hitter--so his performance off the bench declined. And the fact that manager Joe Torre--at one time Kranepool’s roommate when the two were players--said little on his behalf, hurt even more. “Joe Torre knew what my plans were and didn’t protect me at the end, and I never talked to him again,” Kranepool said. “Joe Torre knew the situation. Sometimes, you have to be a man and stick up for your friends. I was the one that was his right-hand man in the three years as a manager, and he knew he had to protect his own job: ‘Let Ed fend for himself.’ To me, that’s being a turncoat.” Torre would say years later that letting Kranepool go was one of the hardest things he ever had to do.[v] The final nail in Kranepool’s coffin came during the Mets’ final homestand, when the Mets chose to honor retiring Lou Brock of the Cardinals and did not even acknowledge that Kranepool was probably suiting up for the final time at Shea. He received a short notice in the mail that offseason detailing his release, but not even the original: a carbon copy of the note sent to his agent, Dick Moss. Kranepool filed for free agency, but it seemed more of a formality. After 18 seasons, 1,853 games, 5,436 at-bats, 1,418 hits (for a .261 average), and 118 home runs, he was through. “I never knew I retired,” he said. “I went from one thing to another.” Kranepool had given thought to what he might do after his career was over; he had little interest in managing, but he felt he might be suited to work in the front office. Earlier that year, he had gotten wind from Charles Payson, Mrs. Payson’s widower, that the Mets might be up for sale, and Kranepool put together a group to buy the team, the package which he presented to Lorinda de Roulet that September. “And then she put together her friends, her social group, and they bought the ballclub,” Kranepool said. New owners Fred Wilpon and Nelson Doubleday brought in Frank Cashen as the new general manager, and Kranepool left baseball for good. “I left the Mets when I should’ve been on top, and ended out at the bottom,” Kranepool said. “I can’t have any harsh feelings for the Wilpons and the team.” He unintentionally stirred up some minor controversy in 1986 when he appeared in a campaign commercial for friend and former U.S. Senator Al D’Amato in a Mets uniform, causing the team to release an adamant statement that it did not take political sides. I tell you, though, he's a great interview, because niceties like "That's all water under the bridge," and "One mustn't speak ill of the dead" cut no ice with him.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 26 2012 10:34 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

It says a lot when you're not good enough to play for the 1980 Mets.

Vic Sage Jun 26 2012 10:38 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

I was a little surprised come 1980 that the Krane wasn't given a long look by some AL team. He was only 35 and he was lefthanded. But there were probably business reasons for Ed to stay in New York and it wasn't like he hadn't put a lot into playing ball already . I doubt his career ended because of his NY ties and resulting unwillingness to relocate. It was more likely because he sucked. He always sucked. and at that point he was old and he sucked. The only team he had any value for was the Mets, as an "original Met" and mascot. And when he had used that up, he was done. It's blasphemy to say so, i know, but there you are.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 26 2012 10:49 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Yes, he says he "asked" teams not to draft him as a free agent, as they did then, but they still could have.

G-Fafif Jun 27 2012 05:39 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Ed, with nothing controversial about David, to Brian Costa in WSJ: "If anybody's going to do it, I'm glad it's David Wright, because he's a real gentleman and a class act," Kranepool, 67, said by phone Tuesday. "He's the marquee player of the Mets. He's their Derek Jeter." Well, that last part is kind of revolting.

metsguyinmichigan Jun 27 2012 08:39 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Heck, Costa then takes his pot shots: "Except Wright's chase for 1,418 will hardly resemble Jeter's pursuit of the Yankees' all-time hits record. When Jeter set a new franchise mark in 2009, he surpassed Lou Gehrig, who had 2,721 hits. It was an iconic moment, one Yankees great passing another. Wright passing Kranepool will be quite different. According to Stats LLC, the Mets' all-time hit mark is the 28th lowest in the majors, ahead of only the Marlins and Diamondbacks, both 1990s expansion teams."

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 27 2012 08:42 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

That's not a pot shot.

Edgy MD Jun 27 2012 08:45 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Well, it's technically incorrect. It's the 28th-highest mark. It's the third-lowest. Hire an editor. Anybutt, I expect David to move that mark forward a bit.

metsguyinmichigan Jun 27 2012 09:19 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

It's a pot shot because it has nothing to do with Jeter or the Yankees. Heck, not too many teams have had an inner-circle Hall of Famer play their entire career with them to establish that mark.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 27 2012 09:22 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

metsguyinmichigan wrote: It's a pot shot because it has nothing to do with Jeter or the Yankees. Heck, not too many teams have had an inner-circle Hall of Famer play their entire career with them to establish that mark. Third lowest. 51st season of existence.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 27 2012 09:40 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

The way I see it, any time Ed Kranepool gets knocked out of first place on a Mets all-time list, it's an upgrade. Sure, David Wright's 1,419th hit will still be a low total for an all-time team leader, but hopefully he'll push that number well past 2,000 in the next few years. Kranepool once led the team with 118 home runs. Now we have Darryl Strawberry's much more respectable 252. (How does that rank among other teams? My guess: Not great, but a lot better than Kranepool's hit total.)

Frayed Knot Jun 27 2012 11:58 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

The only slightly annoying thing about that Costas comment is that it fails to note that the Yanqui mark for hits was itself not all that high on the list of team marks. I'm too lazy now to re-look-up the stats, but I remember checking it out at the time Jeter was approaching the mark (to great fanfare from some camps) and finding that it was around average among all teams and lower than that of most of the non-expansion franchises. If context matters then it shouldn't just matter on one side.

metsguyinmichigan Jun 27 2012 12:03 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

I have to imagine that the Padres, with Tony Gwynn, were higher, as well as the Cardinals with Musial, and the Braves, with Aaron. Probaby the Reds, too, though I know Rose went to Philly in his prime.

Edgy MD Jun 27 2012 12:14 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

That wasn't really his prime. Pirates with Wagner. Orioles with Riptide....

Swan Swan H Jun 27 2012 12:22 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Brett, Cobb, Mays, Yaz, Yount and Cap Anson (Cubs) were all over 3,000 with their long-standing teams. OE: Biggio over 3000 with Houston as well.

Edgy MD Jun 27 2012 12:28 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Q: How could the Yankees not have a higher number? With all their quality play? And especially their hitters? A: Because so damn many of those hitters were taken from somewhere else. And Gehrig died young. And DiMaggio retired young because he didn't want to play once the game got hard.

Frayed Knot Jun 27 2012 12:42 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

When Jeter first set the MFY hit record it was three hundred or so hits ago. He has since passed the likes of Brett, Gwynn, Yount (and will pass Ripken with another two hits) so NOW the Yanx record is higher than KC, SD, Milw and soon-to-be Balt (and maybe a couple others - I'd have to check) but it wasn't then. And the larger point is that, among all the MFY career offensive records, Hits was the least impressive. Ruth spent a half-dozen years being neither a hitter nor a Yanqui, Gehrig had his career cut short, Mantle walked too much and was two years into retirement by the time he was Jeter's age, Berra caught and so never had the 700+ PA seasons that Jeter has regularly, Dimaggio retired young plus missed several years to the military. and so on.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 27 2012 01:04 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Team leaders in Hits (from Baseball Reference) Tigers Ty Cobb 3900 Cardinals Stan Musial 3630 Braves Hank Aaron 3600 Red Sox Carl Yastrzemski 3419 Reds Pete Rose 3358 Giants Willie Mays 3187 Browns/Orioles Cal Ripken 3184 Yankees Derek Jeter 3183 Royals George Brett 3154 Pilots/Brewers Robin Yount 3142 Padres Tony Gwynn 3141 Astros Craig Biggio 3060 Cubs Cap Anson 3012 Pirates Roberto Clemente 3000 Senators/Twins Sam Rice 2889 Dodgers Zach Wheat 2804 White Sox Luke Appling 2749 Mariners Ichiro Suzuki 2513 Rockies Todd Helton 2413 Angels Garrett Anderson 2368 Phillies Mike Schmidt 2234 Senators/Rangers Michael Young 2141 Indians Nap Lajoie 2046 Athletics Bert Campaneris 1882 Expos/Nationals Tim Wallach 1694 Blue Jays Tony Fernandez 1583 Rays Carl Crawford 1480 Mets Ed Kranepool 1418 Diamondbacks Luis Gonzalez 1337 Marlins Luis Castillo 1273

Benjamin Grimm Jun 27 2012 01:05 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Team Leaders in Home Runs (from Baseball Reference) As I thought, we're doing a bit better in homers than we are in hits. (Way to go Darryl! Outhomering Robin Yount!) Braves Hank Aaron 733 Yankees Babe Ruth 659 Giants Willie Mays 646 Senators/Twins Harmon Killebrew 559 Phillies Mike Schmidt 548 Cubs Sammy Sosa 545 Red Sox Ted Williams 521 Pirates Willie Stargell 475 Cardinals Stan Musial 475 Astros Jeff Bagwell 449 White Sox Frank Thomas 448 Browns/Orioles Cal Ripken 431 Mariners Ken Griffey 417 Tigers Al Kaline 399 Reds Johnny Bench 389 Dodgers Duke Snider 389 Senators/Rangers Juan Gonzalez 372 Athletics Mark McGwire 363 Rockies Todd Helton 354 Indians Jim Thome 337 Blue Jays Carlos Delgado 336 Royals George Brett 317 Angels Tim Salmon 299 Mets Darryl Strawberry 252 Pilots/Brewers Robin Yount 251 Expos/Nationals Vladimir Guerrero 234 Diamondbacks Luis Gonzalez 224 Padres Nate Colbert 163 Marlins Dan Uggla 154 Rays Carlos Pena 154

G-Fafif Jun 27 2012 01:07 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

If Cobb, Musial and Aaron were so great, why weren't they Yankees?

Edgy MD Jun 27 2012 01:14 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

They didn't want to win.

G-Fafif Jun 27 2012 03:18 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/27/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,342 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 76

G-Fafif Jun 29 2012 06:24 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/28/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,344 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 74

G-Fafif Jun 30 2012 08:59 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 6/29/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,345 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 73

Edgy MD Jun 30 2012 09:53 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Based on his 2012 pace (because why not?), he's scheduled to tie the record in game 137, Wednesday, September 5, a day game in St. Louis, before the best fans in baseball. He's scheduled to break the record two days later, on Friday evening, September 7, at home against Atlanta. That's a six game homestand, giving him some slack, but please Mets, pretty please, don't be like the Yankees and have Wright fake an injury in order for him to break the record at home. You can't get weaker than that shit. Anybody who wants to figure out expected pitchers on those days, please step up.

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2012 11:37 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Edgy DC wrote: Anybody who wants to figure out expected pitchers on those days, please step up. Why Zack Grienke and Timmy Lincecum of course.

G-Fafif Jul 02 2012 10:53 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 7/1/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,346 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 72

G-Fafif Jul 03 2012 05:36 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Mets minority owner Bill Maher on Bob Costas's NBC Sports Network show last night said (with a smile) Ed Kranepool signed his Mets cap on his recent visit to the ballpark, "even though I didn't ask him to."

G-Fafif Jul 03 2012 08:14 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 7/3/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,347 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 71

G-Fafif Jul 04 2012 04:03 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 7/4/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,348 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 70

G-Fafif Jul 05 2012 10:50 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Three hits from Thursday night. Funny, it feels like he had 30. METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 7/5/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,351 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 67

G-Fafif Jul 07 2012 02:00 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 7/6/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,352 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 66

Edgy MD Jul 07 2012 01:11 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Team Leaders in Home Runs (from Baseball Reference) As I thought, we're doing a bit better in homers than we are in hits. (Way to go Darryl! Outhomering Robin Yount!) Braves Hank Aaron 733 Yankees Babe Ruth 659 Giants Willie Mays 646 Senators/Twins Harmon Killebrew 559 Phillies Mike Schmidt 548 Cubs Sammy Sosa 545 Red Sox Ted Williams 521 Pirates Willie Stargell 475 Cardinals Stan Musial 475 Astros Jeff Bagwell 449 White Sox Frank Thomas 448 Browns/Orioles Cal Ripken 431 Mariners Ken Griffey 417 Tigers Al Kaline 399 Reds Johnny Bench 389 Dodgers Duke Snider 389 Senators/Rangers Juan Gonzalez 372 Athletics Mark McGwire 363 Rockies Todd Helton 354 Indians Jim Thome 337 Blue Jays Carlos Delgado 336 Royals George Brett 317 Angels Tim Salmon 299 Mets Darryl Strawberry 252 Pilots/Brewers Robin Yount 251 Expos/Nationals Vladimir Guerrero 234 Diamondbacks Luis Gonzalez 224 Padres Nate Colbert 163 Marlins Dan Uggla 154 Rays Carlos Pena 154 I'd like to see the post-1962 leaders.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 07 2012 02:09 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Edgy DC wrote: I'd like to see the post-196[1 franchise HR] leaders. from 5/30/11 -- in this thread: And for your reading and viewing pleasure, here are your all-time HR leaders for each franchise, not including pre-1962 stats: 1. Barry Bonds - Giants - 586 (Willie Mays, 646 HR's, all-time franchise leader) 2. Mike Schmidt – Phillies - 548 3. Sammy Sosa – Cubs - 545 4. Hank Aaron - Braves - 480 (733 total Braves HR's) 5. Willie Stargell – Pirates - 475 6. Jeff Bagwell – Astros - 449 7. Frank Thomas - White Sox - 448 8. Carl Yastrzemski - Red Sox - 441 (452 total Red Sox HR's; Ted Williams, 521 HR's, all-time franchise leader) 9. Cal Ripken - Orioles - 431 10. Harmon Killebrew - Twins - 429 (559 total Senators/Twins HR's) 11. Ken Griffey, Jr. – Mariners - 417 12. Albert Pujols – Cards - 416 (All-time franchise leader, Stan Musial, 475 HR's) 13. Johnny Bench - Reds - 389 14. Juan Gonzalez – Rangers - 372 15. Mark McGwire – A’s - 363 16. Todd Helton – Rockies - 339 17. Carlos Delgado – Blue Jays - 336 18. Jim Thome – Indians - 334 19. George Brett – Royals - 317 20. Norm Cash – Tigers - 314 (373 total Tigers HR's; Al Kaline, 399 HR's, all-time franchise leader) 21. Tim Salmon - Angels - 299 22. Bernie Williams – Yankees - 287 (Babe Ruth, 659, yada, yada, yada) 23. Eric Karros – Dodgers - 270 (Duke Snider, 389 HR's, all-time franchise leader) 24. Darryl Strawberry - Mets - 252 25. Robin Yount – Brewers - 251 26. Vladimir Guerrero – Expos/Nationals - 234 27. Luis Gonzalez – Diamondbacks - 224 28. Nate Colbert – Padres - 163 29. Dan Uggla – Marlins - 154 30. Carlos Pena – Devil Rays/Rays - 144 viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16260&hilit=killebrew&start=50 Hot enough for you?

Edgy MD Jul 07 2012 03:03 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Thanks, sorry for the oversight. Good God, we still fail to impress.

G-Fafif Jul 07 2012 06:31 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 7/7/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,353 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 65

G-Fafif Jul 08 2012 02:17 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 7/8/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,354 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 64 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 76

G-Fafif Jul 12 2012 11:07 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Ed Kranepool approves of long All-Star breaks and will lobby to have this one extended long enough so that David Wright, stuck on 1,354 since Saturday, gets bored and finds another line of work.

G-Fafif Jul 13 2012 01:45 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

I'm tellin' ya, Ed is doin' a rain dance. Or a Krane dance.

G-Fafif Jul 14 2012 06:21 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 7/13/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,356 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 62 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 75

G-Fafif Jul 17 2012 10:27 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 7/17/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,358 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 60 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 72

G-Fafif Jul 19 2012 11:39 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 7/18/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,361 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 57 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 71

TransMonk Jul 19 2012 12:37 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

On pace to set the record around 09/01/12, which is too fast for me. For selfish reasons, I want him to be breaking it two weeks later while he (and I) are in Milwaukee.

Ceetar Jul 19 2012 01:15 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

TransMonk wrote: On pace to set the record around 09/01/12, which is too fast for me. For selfish reasons, I want him to be breaking it two weeks later while he (and I) are in Milwaukee. as long as he breaks it before 9/13 or I won't even see it.

G-Fafif Jul 19 2012 01:41 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 7/19/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,363 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 55 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 70

batmagadanleadoff Jul 20 2012 10:43 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

David's on pace to pass Eddie on September 5, 2012 at St. Louis.

G-Fafif Jul 22 2012 07:32 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 7/22/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,366 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 52 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 67

G-Fafif Jul 24 2012 01:49 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 7/23/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,367 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 51 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 66

G-Fafif Jul 28 2012 03:25 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 7/27/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,368 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 50 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 62

Edgy MD Jul 28 2012 05:54 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Stay away from Bay and this should be in the bag.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 28 2012 07:04 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

batmagadanleadoff wrote: David's on pace to pass Eddie on September 5, 2012 at St. Louis. Wright's current hitting slump has pushed back D-Day by seven days. David's currently on pace to pass Eddie on September 12, 2012 at home against the Nationals.

G-Fafif Jul 30 2012 03:31 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 7/29/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,369 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 49 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 60

G-Fafif Jul 31 2012 05:18 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 7/30/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,370 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 48 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 59

G-Fafif Aug 02 2012 02:18 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/1/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,373 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 45 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 57

G-Fafif Aug 02 2012 08:33 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/2/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,374 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 44 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 56

batmagadanleadoff Aug 05 2012 07:51 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Now firmly mired in the worst slump of his season, Wright is expected to pass Eddie on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 at home against the Phillies -- the latest D-Day all season, since I've been measuring.

G-Fafif Aug 07 2012 09:55 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/7/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,375 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 43 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 52

G-Fafif Aug 08 2012 10:04 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/8/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,377 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 41 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 51

G-Fafif Aug 09 2012 03:43 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/9/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,379 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 39 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 50

G-Fafif Aug 11 2012 08:40 PM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Aug 13 2012 12:08 PM

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/11/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,380 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 38 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 48

batmagadanleadoff Aug 13 2012 12:37 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Now firmly mired in the worst slump of his season, Wright is expected to pass Eddie on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 at home against the Phillies -- the latest D-Day all season, since I've been measuring. With two more hits tonight, D-Day is now one day closer than yesterday. The D is for David. Monday, September 17, 2012 at home against the Phillies.

G-Fafif Aug 13 2012 12:09 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/12/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,382 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 36 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 47

G-Fafif Aug 17 2012 03:47 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

]METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/16/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,383 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 35 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 44

G-Fafif Aug 18 2012 02:04 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/17/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,385 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 33 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 43

batmagadanleadoff Aug 18 2012 08:52 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

D-Day is Wednesday, September 19, 2012 at home against the Phillies.

Frayed Knot Aug 18 2012 10:56 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

D-Day is marching closer and closer to April.

G-Fafif Aug 18 2012 03:15 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

KraneWatch gains notice in the Times. It has become something of a ritual this season, the systemic poaching of Mets franchise records by David Wright. This year, Wright has set career club marks for runs batted in, runs, walks and, less inspiring, strikeouts. Wright already possessed the highest doubles total in team history, and he ranks near the top of most other offensive categories. Now, with some effort in the coming weeks, he could seize another mark, by passing Ed Kranepool to become the Mets’ career hits leader. Kranepool, who played 1,853 games for the Mets from 1962 to 1979, collected 1,418 hits during his career. Wright, 29, entered Saturday with 1,221 games and 1,385 hits. Kranepool’s mark is 33 hits away. “When you talk about becoming a franchise’s all-time leader in anything, it’s a nice accomplishment,” Wright said. He added that passing Kranepool would have its own significance. “He was one of those original Mets,” Wright said, “and he played for this organization for so long, it’d be an honor.” Wright does not place too much stock in numbers. None of the Mets’ individual batting records are particularly high, and Wright has simply outlasted many of the club’s top players of years past, who did not spend whole careers with the Mets. And besides, players like Kranepool have other honors Wright wants — chief among them, a World Series title. “I’ve always just wanted my legacy to be that I was a winning player, and I’ve never thought much about numbers or records,” he said. “You see the way that even bench players or role players are remembered from the ’86 team. You see the love that the city of New York has for those guys. That would be nice.” Such concerns could perhaps play into the negotiations that will determine where Wright’s future rests. The Mets hold a $16 million option on Wright’s services for next season, but nothing beyond that, and General Manager Sandy Alderson declared, early on, his intention to discuss a possible extension over the summer. But Wright countered that he wanted to hold off talks until the off-season. Kranepool played his entire career with the Mets after starting as a 17-year-old. He was competent, but never a star, and that he holds the hits record is testament to the fact that stars like Keith Hernandez and Mike Piazza spent only parts of their careers with the Mets. Wright, who was drafted by the Mets as a teenager, would break that mold — if he stayed. He was asked how much the lengthy identification with a club, something that is a tradition on the Yankees but not the Mets, mattered to him. “That’s extremely important,” Wright said. “Obviously, there will be a number of factors. But I’d like to think — and I think other people would agree — that I’m a loyal person. From Day 1, I’ve said it, and nothing’s changed: I love this organization.” He added, “Although things haven’t gone the way that we thought they were going to go, this organization has done so much for me that I think there’s loyalty on both sides.” For the most part, though, Wright has preferred to avoid the big picture. After he charged into the All-Star break with 106 hits, a .351 average and 1.004 on-base plus slugging mark, Wright’s production has sagged. Through 15 games in August, Wright was hitting .273 in the second half with a .711 OPS. Wright’s slowdown had coincided with the Mets’ breakdown, and Manager Terry Collins has linked the two. “David’s not swinging like he was, and we have not had anybody really step up and help him,” Collins said Friday. Wright acknowledged last week that second-half fatigue had set in, but he did not view that as an excuse. He said he thought he might have been trying to overcompensate for the team’s overall struggles, and his coaches agreed. “I think David’s probably trying to do a little more than he’s able to do,” said Dave Hudgens, the Mets’ hitting coach. “That’s maybe caused a couple of little things, his body over-rotating, his elbow getting up too high.” Though Wright has cooled off, Hudgens said, “He’ll get hot again.” If so, Kranepool’s record could be the next mark he claims. Should it happen, Wright will enjoy the moment, knowing there are other accomplishments he covets more. “Maybe it’s different in other cities,” Wright said, “but in New York, you’re remembered for winning.”

G-Fafif Aug 19 2012 05:18 PM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 29 2012 12:45 PM

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/19/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,387 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 31 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 41

G-Fafif Aug 20 2012 10:18 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/20/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,388 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 30 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 40

TransMonk Aug 21 2012 08:05 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Wright needs a 5 for 5. C'mon, David.

Mets – Willets Point Aug 21 2012 09:15 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

It looks like this isn't going to happen in 2012 after all.

TransMonk Aug 21 2012 09:22 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

He's still on pace for 2012. 09/19/12 at home vs. Philly. Although the date is getting later and later. If he continues to fall off the pace, he puts breaking the record in 2012 in jeopardy.

Ceetar Aug 21 2012 09:24 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

TransMonk wrote: He's still on pace for 2012. 09/19/12 at home vs. Philly. Although the date is getting later and later. If he continues to fall off the pace, he puts breaking the record in 2012 in jeopardy. or gets some rest days or something. But he's been slumping, presumably he won't continue to do that all season, being he's awesome and all. :-D

batmagadanleadoff Aug 21 2012 09:26 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

He needs 30 hits in 40 games to tie Kranepool. That's a scrub's 120 hits in a full season pace. Wright'd either have to see major DL action or hit like Doug Flynn the rest of the way for Krane's hit record to survive 2012. Whaddaya guys talkin' 'bout?

TransMonk Aug 21 2012 09:32 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

My 5 for 5 comment was mostly self-serving as I'm rooting for him to break the record in Milwaukee while I'm in attendance. Step it up, Wright.

Ceetar Aug 21 2012 09:39 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

TransMonk wrote: My 5 for 5 comment was mostly self-serving as I'm rooting for him to break the record in Milwaukee while I'm in attendance. Step it up, Wright. I've been rooting for before 9/13. starting to look unlikely.

G-Fafif Aug 21 2012 09:50 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/21/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,389 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 29 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 39

Edgy MD Aug 22 2012 06:49 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

On a pace to do it on the 18th of September at home against the Phillies. A lot of chances to do it at home coming up with only three road games (Milwaukee, 9/14-16) between the seventh and the 27th. (And let's not pull a Jeter and feign injury if it looks like it's going to land then.)

Benjamin Grimm Aug 22 2012 07:28 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Edgy DC wrote: (And let's not pull a Jeter and feign injury if it looks like it's going to land then.) How aware is everybody of this impending broken record? I know that we've been following it here for a long time, but is Mets fandom at large as engaged in this as we are? I'm not getting that sense, but I could very well be out of step.

Frayed Knot Aug 22 2012 07:31 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Until G, K & R start to mention on a regular basis once the gap gets down to say single digits, I doubt most of even Met-dom is much aware of this (let's face it, none too impressive) record.

G-Fafif Aug 23 2012 05:45 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/23/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,390 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 28 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 37

G-Fafif Aug 25 2012 02:39 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/24/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,392 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 26 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 36 Congratulations to David on reaching another pre-Krane milestone with hit No. 1,391, his 200th HR. And sorry that hit No. 1,392 led to getting thrown out at second. The bitter with the sweet with the more bitter, as they say in the second half of 2012.

G-Fafif Aug 26 2012 06:32 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/26/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,393 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 25 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 34

batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2012 07:18 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

David is on pace to pass Krane on Saturday, September 22, 2012, at home against Miami.

G-Fafif Aug 29 2012 03:32 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/28/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,395 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 23 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 33

Frayed Knot Aug 29 2012 05:57 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

He's not exactly hitting the cover off the ball lately, but he is managing to maintain a fairly steady 10 day games/hits gap.

G-Fafif Aug 30 2012 02:02 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/30/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,397 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 21 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 31

G-Fafif Sep 01 2012 01:36 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 8/31/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,398 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 20 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 30

batmagadanleadoff Sep 01 2012 08:51 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

batmagadanleadoff wrote: David is on pace to pass Krane on Saturday, September 22, 2012, at home against Miami. Nuthin's changed.

Ceetar Sep 01 2012 09:04 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: David is on pace to pass Krane on Saturday, September 22, 2012, at home against Miami. Nuthin's changed. Let's see..that's 7-10pm on the first day of Oktoberfest.. sorry David.

G-Fafif Sep 02 2012 07:25 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 9/1/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,399 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 19 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 29

TransMonk Sep 04 2012 07:34 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

I believe David's pace has pushed the theoretical record breaking hit into the last home series vs. Pittsburgh.

G-Fafif Sep 05 2012 04:10 AM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 05 2012 11:46 AM

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 9/4/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,401 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 17 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 26 In reaching the unmagical 1,400-hit milestone, David extended his second-place lead over Jose Reyes to 100 (now 101). FYI, if Jose was having the same season for the Mets that he's had for the Marlins, the current Met hit record would be 1,452. But that doesn't take into account all the variables, like lineup, ballpark, game situations, the pressure of theoretically signing for a big contract in New York and, most tangibly, the lengths Ed Kranepool would have gone to take Jose out. In David's past 26 games, when it seems he's done next to nothing, he's actually collected 26 hits (batting .271), so at that one game/one hit pace, figure him for Monday night, 9/24, home to Pittsburgh. OTOH, he had a 26-game stretch in April and May when he garnered 40 hits, a pace that if he picked up again all of a sudden would get him to his necessary 17th hit about a week earlier. Or we could just wait and see what happens.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 05 2012 06:02 AM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 05 2012 07:20 AM

Or we could just wait and see what happens. There sure are a lotta ways to estimate the date of Wright's impending franchise record breaking hit. Here's the formula I've been using all along in this thread: 171x/y = z z = Mets game # of record breaking hit (remainders always rounded up, never down); 171 = total hits Wright needed to pass Krane at beginning of season; x = Mets games played to date; y = Wright's season hit total, to date. Thus calculated, Wright is on pace to pass Eddie in the Mets 152nd game, at home against the Marlins on Sunday, September 23, 2012. But as you implied, he'll pass Eddie when he passes Eddie.

Frayed Knot Sep 05 2012 06:07 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

G-Fafif wrote: In David's past 26 games, when it seems he's done next to nothing, he's actually collected 26 hits (batting .271) ... It seems like he's done next to nothing because every single hit during that span has been a single and has come with the bases empty. OK that may not be 100% accurate but I'm betting that it's purdy dern close

Ceetar Sep 05 2012 06:43 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Frayed Knot wrote: G-Fafif wrote: In David's past 26 games, when it seems he's done next to nothing, he's actually collected 26 hits (batting .271) ... It seems like he's done next to nothing because every single hit during that span has been a single and has come with the bases empty. OK that may not be 100% accurate but I'm betting that it's purdy dern close in part because Tejada has also slowed down in front of him. That's why he only has 7 RBI in the last 28 games (B-R split, I don't feel like counting to 26) but 12 runs scored. (Thanks Ike) He's been on base 34 times though. 5 doubles, 1 HR, 10 walks.

G-Fafif Sep 07 2012 09:18 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 9/7/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,402 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 16 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 24

G-Fafif Sep 08 2012 07:24 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 9/8/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,404 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 14 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 23 The compiling commences...sans production, but what the hell? It's September and the Mets are lost up their own arses for another year.

G-Fafif Sep 09 2012 04:40 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 9/9/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,405 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 13 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 22

G-Fafif Sep 11 2012 04:01 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 9/10/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,406 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 12 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 21

batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2012 08:49 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

David is now on pace to pass Krane on Monday, September 24, 2012, at home against Pittsburgh.

MFS62 Sep 11 2012 09:22 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Dr. J was a much better basketball player than he was an actor. Later

Ashie62 Sep 11 2012 09:48 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

He was also a better Net than Sixer. Watch David miss and get traded..Kranevoodoo

soupcan Sep 11 2012 11:11 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

batmagadanleadoff wrote: David is now on pace to pass Krane on Monday, September 24, 2012, at home against Pittsburgh. How many of you can say that you actually saw that movie? I can. 'Hey, have you heard? It's the Fish. Spread the word...it's the Fish that saved Pittsburgh....'

G-Fafif Sep 11 2012 09:13 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 9/11/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,407 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 11 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 20

batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2012 08:31 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

batmagadanleadoff wrote: David is now on pace to pass Krane on Monday, September 24, 2012, at home against Pittsburgh. Nuthin's changed.

G-Fafif Sep 13 2012 02:02 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 9/12/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,409 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 9 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 19

Frayed Knot Sep 13 2012 06:34 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Is there some way to let him know that maybe getting one of these hit to coincide when there are runners on base every once in a while would be OK too?

G-Fafif Sep 15 2012 07:12 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 9/14/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,411 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 7 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 18 David boarding the 7 express to catch No. 7...

Met Hunter Sep 15 2012 07:54 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

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Edgy MD Sep 15 2012 08:50 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Wow! Not sure why that's in this thread, but... he should host a drive-time call-in sports talk show.

Met Hunter Sep 15 2012 10:20 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Someone sent me that photo. Thought it would be funny with the David Wright 7 train comment. Unfortunately it gets lost in my computer illiteracy.

G-Fafif Sep 15 2012 10:42 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

If somebody at the MTA was paying attention, they'd change the Flushing line to the 5 train next week. Because that wouldn't confuse anybody.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 16 2012 07:34 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

It's getting some media attention. Although Kranepool's total is wrong, and I can do without that opening paragraph: Wright nearing Kranepool’s Mets hit record By DON BURKE Posted: 1:41 AM, September 16, 2012 MLWAUKEE — It is not exactly Derek Jeter chasing down Lou Gehrig to become the Yankees all-time hits leader. But as he closes in on becoming the Mets all-time leader in hits — a perch he could reach this week — reaching the milestone means a lot to David Wright. The 29-year-old third baseman entered last night’s game with the Brewers needing just seven hits to eclipse Ed Kranepool’s mark of 1,481 which has stood since 1979. Wright still needs seven hits after snapping his eight-game hitting streak by going 0-for-3 with a pair of walks and a pair of strikeouts in the Mets 9-6 loss to the Brewers. “I hope I get there,” he said. “Obviously, it means a lot to me personally. You just blink and, all of sudden, you have however many hits it is. ... It’s obviously very nice. But it’s difficult because of the difficult second half we’ve had. “I’m proud of the fact I’ve been able to stay healthy and be as consistent as I think I have for the last eight or nine years. You’re going to have some years, some weeks that are better than others. But I take a lot of pride in going out there and trying to prepare myself to play at a certain level. ’’ Wright said he never envisioned leading the Mets — or any major league team — in anything. “I was probably as surprised as anybody at the little bit of success I had early,” he said. “It still feels like, at some point, somebody’s going to pinch me and I’m going to wake up. ... To make it and be in the big leagues eight or nine years ... it has been surreal.’’ Maybe, like Kranepool, all of Wright’s hits will come in a Mets uniform. He can become a free agent following next season and the team holds a $16 million option for 2013. The sides are expected to begin discussions on a new deal once this season ends. Wright said he thinks “it’s important’’ when a player can spend his entire career in one uniform. “After the season is over, I’ll sit down with my family and, at some point, get my [agents] involved,” he said. “It’s going to be a lot of factors — not just contract figures. Obviously, there’s a list I’m going to make of what’s important to me and maybe what’s not so important.’’

G-Fafif Sep 17 2012 08:11 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 9/17/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,412 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 6 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 15 Can the Mets gets six more hits this season? Can Wright get all of them?

Edgy MD Sep 19 2012 10:45 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Would really really rather not do this while the Mets were playing the stinkiest ball of Wright's career. Six hits in a double-header sweep --- that might be nice.

Vic Sage Sep 19 2012 02:36 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

i see it happening this weekend against the Marlins. Maybe Saturday, just before 4pm. [tea time] A hard grounder past Reyes to drive in the winning run in the 9th. You heard it here first, kids.

G-Fafif Sep 19 2012 10:18 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 9/19/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,413 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 5 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 14

G-Fafif Sep 19 2012 10:20 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

This actually happened: Picked out Ed Kranepool at Citi Field Wednesday night. He had gotten up from his seat and headed toward the Delta Romney 360 Club as David Wright was coming to bat in the sixth. David swung and hit a home run just after the Krane had flown out of sight. Can he not bear to watch? (If so, that would make him like every Mets fan without a record on the line.)

G-Fafif Sep 19 2012 10:22 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

I won't throw back a sudden burst of base hits, but I would love the record to be broken on Sunday, September 23 -- the 50th anniversary of Ed Kranepool's very first base hit.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 20 2012 08:21 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: David is now on pace to pass Krane on [crossout]Monday[/crossout] Tuesday, September [crossout]24[/crossout] 25, 2012, at home against Pittsburgh.

MFS62 Sep 20 2012 08:45 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

As David approaches the record, I can't get a scene from Harvard Lampoon's Vacation out of my head. Its the one in which Chevy Chase sees the Grand Canyon, pauses for a second, shrugs his shoulders, then leaves to go elsewhere. Will Wright do the same? Later

G-Fafif Sep 20 2012 11:50 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 9/20/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,414 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 4 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 13 One Juan Pierre game away from owning the record. But no Met is that good.

Edgy MD Sep 21 2012 07:32 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

The full top ten for good measure: 1) Edward Emil Kranepool (1962-1979): 1,418 2) David Allen Wright (2004-Current): 1,414 3) José Bernabe Reyes (2003-2011): 1,300 4) Cleon Joseph Jones (1963-1975): 1,188 5) Edgardo Antonio Alfonzo (1995-2002): 1,136 6) William Hayward "Mookie" Wilson (1980-1989): 1,112 7) Derrel McKinley "Bud" Harrelson (1965-1977): 1,029 8) Michael Joseph Piazza (1998-2005): 1,028 9) Darryl Eugene Strawberry (1983-1990): 1,025 10) Howard Michael Johnson (1984-1993): 997 For comparison, here's the placement of other non-pitching personnel on the current team: ... 41) Carlos Delgado: 468 42) Daniel Murphy: 454 43) Cliff Floyd: 440 ... ... 64) Timo Perez: 297 T65) Ike Davis: 284 T65) Paul Lo Duca: 284 67) Carlos Baerga: 283 ... 74) Lenny Randle: 258 75) Ruben Tejada: 257 T76) Joe McEwing: 255 T76) Roy McMillan: 255 ... 86) Rico Brogna: 237 87) Josh Thole: 236 88) Carl Everett: 231 ... ... 92) Charley Smith: 228 93) Jason Bay: 227 94) Roberto Alomar: 226 ... ... 102) Mike Cameron: 198 103) Lucas Duda: 195 104) Joe Torre: 193 ... ... 121) Rickey Henderson: 159 T122) Matt Franco: 158 T122) Justin Turner: 158 124) Jesse Gonder: 155 ... ... 154) Chico Walker: 118 155) Scott Hairston: 117 156) Brett Butler: 114 ... ... T199) Juan Samuel: 76 T199) Joe Foy: 76 T201) Andrés Torres: 75 T201) Ron Darling: 75 T203) Richard Hidalgo: 74 T203) Gary Sheffield: 74 ... ... T206) Jeff McKnight: 72 T206) Willie Randolph: 72 T208) Raul Gonzalez: 71 T208) Kirk Nieuwenhuis: 71 209) Xavier Nady: 70 ... ... T233) Shane Spencer: 52 T233) Gene Woodling: 52 T235) Garry Templeton: 50 T235) John Valentin: 50 T235) Mike Baxter: 50 T235) Mike Bordick: 50 T239) Rod Gaspar: 49 T239) Jerry Morales: 49 T239) Bobby Pfeil: 49 ... ... T249) Karim Garcia: 45 T249) Matt Lawton: 45 T251) Sammy Taylor: 44 T251) Jordany Valdespin: 44 T251) Danny Garcia: 44 T251) Steve Trachsel: 44 T251) Rick Reed: 44 T251) Chris Carter: 44 257) Ronny Cedeño: 43 T258) Tony Phillips: 42 T258) Kevin Collins: 42 T258) George "The Stork" Theodore: 42 ... ... 295) Johan Santana: 32 T296) Fernando Vina: 31 T296) Dick Smith: 31 T296) Mike Nickeas: 31 T296) Billy Murphy: 31 T296) R. A. Dickey: 31 301) Bob Ojeda: 30 ... ... T352) Jason Isringhausen: 19 T352) George Stone: 19 T352) Andy Tomberlin: 19 T352) Jim McAndrew: 19 T352) Rich Becker: 19 T352) Benny Ayala: 19 T352) Dick Stuart: 19 T352) Orlando Mercado: 19 T360) José Cardenal: 18 T360) Tom Veryzer: 18 T360) José Offerman: 18 T360) Omar Quintanilla: 18 T360) Lute Barnes: 18 T360) Tracy Stallard: 18 T360) Galen Cisco: 18 T367) Mike Cubbage: 17 T367) Pedro Martinez: 17 T367) Steve Bieser: 17 T367) Darrin Jackson: 17 T367) Dick Selma: 17 T367) Don Cardwell: 17 ... ... T386) Jon Nunnally: 14 T386) Jerry Martin: 14 T386) Pat Howell: 14 T386) Doug Saunders: 14 T386) Mike DiFelice: 14 T386) Bob Shaw: 14 T386) Dennis Ribant: 14 T386) Ed Bouchee: 14 T394) Bubba Trammell: 13 T394) Kevin Kobel: 13 T394) Orlando Hernandez: 13 T394) Hobie Landrith: 13 T394) Jae Seo: 13 T394) Kelly Shoppach: 13 T394) Rob Johnson: 13 T394) Joe Pignatano: 13 T402) Brian Bohanon: 12 T402) Armando Reynoso: 12 T402) Skip Lockwood: 12 T402) Danny Frisella: 12 T402) Luis Rivera: 12 T402) Wally Whitehurst: 12 T402) Robinson Cancel: 12 T402) Masato Yoshii: 12 T402) Pat Tabler: 12 T402) Pete Schourek: 12 T402) Mike Howard: 12 Single Digit Hit Club (Class of 2012): Vinny Rottino: 6 Josh Satin: 5 (0 in 2012) Fred Lewis: 2 Zach Lutz: 1

SteveJRogers Sep 23 2012 03:30 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

G-Fafif Sep 23 2012 04:18 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 9/23/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,415 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 3 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 10 My god he's taking forever. Then again, it took Eddie parts of 18 seasons to get three more hits.

MFS62 Sep 24 2012 07:50 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Another tight race. Will he get it as a .300 hitter, or will he have dropped below .300 by then? Later

SteveJRogers Sep 24 2012 08:58 PM Re: David vs. the Krane Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 25 2012 06:55 AM

G-Fafif Sep 24 2012 10:10 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 9/24/2012 1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 2. DAVID WRIGHT 1,416 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus 2 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 9 Slow and steady Creeps up on Eddie

metsmarathon Sep 25 2012 06:47 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

do it today, david. do it for me.

Vic Sage Sep 25 2012 08:33 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

i called it for Saturday and he screwed me. So you're on your own now, Mr. Wright.

Swan Swan H Sep 25 2012 11:33 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Not that I want him to slow down any, but it would be pretty cool to have Dickey's 20th and Wright's record breaking hit on the last home game of the season. Take away some of the bad taste from last year's final home game.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 25 2012 02:25 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

I don't even remember last year's final home game. I'm still stuck on the final home games from 2007 and 2008.

seawolf17 Sep 25 2012 02:28 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I don't even remember last year's final home game. I'm still stuck on the final home games from 2007 and 2008. I'm assuming we're talking about The Shortstop Who Shall Not Be Named checking out early.

Edgy MD Sep 25 2012 02:31 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

The worst part was when he said "SEE YA, SUCKERS!"

themetfairy Sep 25 2012 02:34 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

The game two years ago was worse. Fuckin' Ollie.... From that same game, I still love this picture from right after Pelfrey came out of the game -

Edgy MD Sep 25 2012 08:04 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

And... we have a new co-leader!

Benjamin Grimm Sep 25 2012 08:29 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

themetfairy Sep 25 2012 08:33 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

And 57 silently invokes Johan, who made his own Mets history this year. It has been a disappointing season, but filled with some amazin' moments.

SteveJRogers Sep 25 2012 08:43 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

themetfairy wrote: And 57 silently invokes Johan, who made his own Mets history this year. It has been a disappointing season, but filled with some amazin' moments. Strangely enough, the story of this franchise over the course of 50 years... Bad years, but lots of great moments =;)

G-Fafif Sep 25 2012 10:36 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 9/25/2012 T-1. Ed Kranepool 1,418 T-1. DAVID WRIGHT 1,418 COUNTDOWN: Krane Minus Zero/Wright Plus Zero 2012 GAMES REMAINING: 8 An honor to be among the dozens standing and applauding (among the hundreds sitting and respectfully contemplating in silence) at Citi Field when David achieved Kraneness.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 25 2012 11:31 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

We'll have to rename this forum.

Edgy MD Sep 26 2012 06:29 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

www.sugarpants.com is unfortunately taken. Benjamin Grimm wrote: Krane looking tall.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 26 2012 07:00 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

I was looking through some old Mets yearbooks that I have, and I found this oddity. How is it that nobody's ever noticed it before?

The Second Spitter Sep 26 2012 07:10 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

I think it would be awesome if David sits out the rest of the game after he gets the hit. (Apologies if this joke has been done before, haven't kept up with this thread).

Mets – Willets Point Sep 26 2012 07:51 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Don't open the sugarpants.com link at work. One of these days someone is going to have to explain to me the sugarpants nickname.

Edgy MD Sep 26 2012 07:57 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I was looking through some old Mets yearbooks that I have, and I found this oddity. How is it that nobody's ever noticed it before? All that time travel hurt David's second-half production.

The Second Spitter Sep 26 2012 07:59 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Don't open the sugarpants.com link at work. One of these days someone is going to have to explain to me the sugarpants nickname. Hope this helps. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... sugarpants

batmagadanleadoff Sep 26 2012 09:58 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Wright wasn't the only time traveler here as Grimm departs from his comfortable base in the decade of Disco and Dick (Nixon) for some Summer of Love baseball card design.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 26 2012 11:02 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

You're right; this is my first card that's not from the 1970s. I think the card that this was based on was from 1966, but I'm not certain of that.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 26 2012 11:12 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

That design is based on Topps 1967 teammates cards.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 26 2012 11:19 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Strange how they sometimes include the players' first names and sometimes don't. It doesn't seem to be for space considerations: NORM CASH and AL KALINE don't have a whole lot of letters between them.

seawolf17 Sep 26 2012 11:51 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Strange how they sometimes include the players' first names and sometimes don't. It doesn't seem to be for space considerations: NORM CASH and AL KALINE don't have a whole lot of letters between them. For that matter, neither do Ed and Ron.

Swan Swan H Sep 26 2012 11:54 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

They needed to help identify Mays and McCovey for the casual fan. I mean, EVERYBODY knew who Kranepool and Swoboda were, right?

SteveJRogers Sep 26 2012 07:45 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

A salute to the man who topped the All Time Mets Hit Parade, via his Topps cards!

G-Fafif Sep 26 2012 09:26 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through Games of 9/26/2012 1. DAVID WRIGHT 1,420 2. Ed Kranepool 1,418 3. Jose Reyes 1,300 4. Cleon Jones 1,188 5. Edgardo Alfonzo 1,136 6. Mookie Wilson 1,112 7. Bud Harrelson 1,029 8. Mike Piazza 1,028 9. Darryl Strawberry 1,025 10. Howard Johnson 997 COUNTUP: To Wrightfinity...and beyond!

Ashie62 Sep 26 2012 09:49 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

I feel older with Krane getting passed, but my 3 favorite Mets are Seaver Wright and Kranepool so its cool. Congrats Sugar.

Frayed Knot Sep 27 2012 07:06 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

And now a minimum of three more seasons before someone else even cracks the top ten.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 27 2012 07:24 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

In the event the coming CPF redesign needs a new image

Edgy MD Sep 27 2012 08:05 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Seven more and Daniel Murphy cracks the top 40.

Edgy MD Sep 27 2012 08:49 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Next up, uneven bars.

seawolf17 Sep 27 2012 08:52 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Was at Shea for hit number one; played hooky from work with a colleague. SIGN THE FUCKING CONTRACT EXTENSION, SANDY.

Edgy MD Sep 27 2012 08:55 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Sheesh. It's not like something's on the table waiting for a signature. I believe Wright shut down negotiations for the season anyhow.

Centerfield Sep 27 2012 09:19 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

seawolf17 wrote: Was at Shea for hit number one; played hooky from work with a colleague. SIGN THE FUCKING CONTRACT EXTENSION, SANDY. No, let's not do that. Let's wait a little longer so Sandy can see in person what type of player he is. Let's wait until he starts out hot next year so we can make a half-hearted attempt to engage in talks during the middle of the season. Let's let the fans suffer and watch as them as they engage in fruitless "Re-Sign David" campaigns. Let's not move him at the deadline for players who can help us in the future so as to not effect second-half ticket sales. And then when he hits the open market and has a bazillion suitors for his services, let's talk conceptually about an offer that falls just under what others are offering so we can watch him walk away.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 27 2012 09:23 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

That sounds like a plan!

seawolf17 Sep 27 2012 09:40 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

Centerfield wrote: seawolf17 wrote: Was at Shea for hit number one; played hooky from work with a colleague. SIGN THE FUCKING CONTRACT EXTENSION, SANDY. No, let's not do that. Let's wait a little longer so Sandy can see in person what type of player he is. Let's wait until he starts out hot next year so we can make a half-hearted attempt to engage in talks during the middle of the season. Let's let the fans suffer and watch as them as they engage in fruitless "Re-Sign David" campaigns. Let's not move him at the deadline for players who can help us in the future so as to not effect second-half ticket sales. And then when he hits the open market and has a bazillion suitors for his services, let's talk conceptually about an offer that falls just under what others are offering so we can watch him walk away. I hate this team.

Centerfield Sep 27 2012 02:43 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Really, I'm glad you guys have known me for years and some of you think I'm sane. If I were to join the forum now my handle would be "FUCK THE WILPONS". I'd write negative post after negative post pinning all the blame the owners and you guys would just write me off as a some troll. Oh, and I left out a step. Let's leak to the press that Wright eats his pizza with a fork or some other damaging information so we can justify not re-signing him.

G-Fafif Sep 27 2012 05:50 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADER Through Games of 9/27/2012 1. DAVID WRIGHT 1,422 Force of habit. Probably will be through season's end.

Chad Ochoseis Sep 27 2012 08:40 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

Tough week to be Ed Kranepool. A friend of mine watching the Nats game told me Bryce Harper just broke his record for most XBH by a teenager.

G-Fafif Sep 29 2012 09:08 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADER Through Games of 9/29/2012 1. DAVID WRIGHT 1,423

G-Fafif Oct 02 2012 12:10 AM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADER Through Games of 10/1/2012 1. DAVID WRIGHT 1,425

G-Fafif Oct 02 2012 09:58 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADER Through Games of 10/2/2012 1. DAVID WRIGHT 1,426

G-Fafif Oct 03 2012 05:57 PM Re: David vs. the Krane

METS ALL-TIME HIT LEADERS Through 2012 Season 1. DAVID WRIGHT 1,426 2. Ed Kranepool 1,418 3. Jose Reyes 1,300 4. Cleon Jones 1,188 5. Edgardo Alfonzo 1,136 6. Mookie Wilson 1,112 7. Bud Harrelson 1,029 8. Mike Piazza 1,028 9. Darryl Strawberry 1,025 10. Howard Johnson 997 Will revisit when/if 1,500 is in sight.