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Buerhle to Marlins

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 07 2011 03:19 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 08 2011 07:19 AM

Jesus fuck, I hope this team sucks

metirish Dec 07 2011 03:21 PM Re: Burhle to Marlins

$58 million - 4 years, and they will probably get Fielder if they can't land Pujols....wankers

smg58 Dec 07 2011 03:23 PM Re: Burhle to Marlins

Their fire sale next year at this time should be fun.

Fman99 Dec 07 2011 03:40 PM Re: Burhle to Marlins

Wow that's a stupid amount of money. It's Appieresque.

seawolf17 Dec 07 2011 03:54 PM Re: Burhle to Marlins

I'd read that the first time to offer four years would get him; Loria's gone bazonkers.

Nymr83 Dec 07 2011 04:44 PM Re: Burhle to Marlins

The Marlins are handing out not just money, but YEARS, like an ownership group that doesn't expect to be around long. Maybe the SEC investigation thing is really serious?

Edgy MD Dec 07 2011 05:48 PM Re: Burhle to Marlins

I hear they signed David Beckham. Just 'cuz.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 07 2011 09:46 PM Re: Burhle to Marlins

All joking aside, isn't this spending and the stuff around it a gigantic red flag to these guys? Their owner has a track record of lying to fans and the state, is under investigation from the SEC, and only had a marginal/nominal role in putting together the 2003 team (with John Henry/Dombroski doing most of the heavy lifting before he stepped into the owner's slot). They have never-- never-- drawn any fans on a consistent, franchise-sustaining basis. Every contract they've handed out so far appears to be more heavily backloaded than a Basketball Wife. Plus, the last time the Marlins went on a spending spree, they traded all their talent a year later. I honestly don’t understand why any player would want to go play there over anywhere else offering a comparable deal, especially when they are basically telegraphing their intent to unload everyone with their insistence on not handing out no-trade clauses.

Edgy MD Dec 08 2011 04:39 AM Re: Burhle to Marlins

Who's getting similar offers elsewhere, though? I agree with most of your well-organized thoughts and words, but munny's munny. The Dodgers went bankrupt, but the players still got paid.

Frayed Knot Dec 08 2011 07:01 AM Re: Burhle to Marlins

I guess Ozzie can't be too bad a manager to work for if Buehrle* is following him across the country. * btw, that's the proper spelling (yes, I had to look it up). I think the Mets didn't go after him strictly out of concern for Grimm's automatic complier PotG spreadsheet. There just would have been too many combinations thrown in there that the damn thing might have exploded.

metirish Dec 08 2011 07:04 AM Re: Burhle to Marlins

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: All joking aside, isn't this spending and the stuff around it a gigantic red flag to these guys? Their owner has a track record of lying to fans and the state, is under investigation from the SEC, and only had a marginal/nominal role in putting together the 2003 team (with John Henry/Dombroski doing most of the heavy lifting before he stepped into the owner's slot). They have never-- never-- drawn any fans on a consistent, franchise-sustaining basis. Every contract they've handed out so far appears to be more heavily backloaded than a Basketball Wife. Plus, the last time the Marlins went on a spending spree, they traded all their talent a year later. I honestly don’t understand why any player would want to go play there over anywhere else offering a comparable deal, especially when they are basically telegraphing their intent to unload everyone with their insistence on not handing out no-trade clauses. it's crazy , I look forward to it all going pear shaped.

Frayed Knot Dec 08 2011 07:36 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

They especially seem to be playing fast and loose with [u:3buguiel]the length[/u:3buguiel] of these deals. - word had it that no one (not just the Mets) wanted to go over four guaranteed for Reyes ... until the Marlins gave him six - wanting to lock up the 32 y/o Pujols for a full decade even as the Cardinals say that the reports of their 10/220 offer aren't close to accurate in money or in years - Buerhle (33 by Opening Day) reportedly had numerous suitors at 3 years and made it be known that the first to go to 4 would be declared the winner ... and BAM there are the Marlins

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 08 2011 08:57 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

It's that extra year or two that's splashing the pot in the poker hands for these guys. But again... HEAVILY backloaded. I almost feel bad* for J---J---J---J--- and his family, who I'd imagine will see what the house-buying market is like in at least three different cities over the life of his contract (I hope Chicago and, say, Arizona show him as much "love"). *Then I remember that he could pay my family's food, power, and phone bill for life and not notice it.

Gwreck Dec 08 2011 08:59 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

Frayed Knot wrote: They especially seem to be playing fast and loose with the length of these deals. - wanting to lock up the 32 y/o Pujols for a full decade even as the Cardinals say that the reports of their 10/220 offer aren't close to accurate in money or in yearss Not wrong on this one, I guess. BTW, I missed the part about how nobody other than the Mets would give Reyes more than 4 guaranteed years. Do you remember where that came from?

Edgy MD Dec 08 2011 09:02 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

Nobody other than the Marlins would give him more than four.

attgig Dec 08 2011 09:08 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

nobody's getting a no trade clause though. they're all getting dumped in a few years after they win a world series... but seriously, what's going on in Miami? first it's the big three in the heat. and now, the marlins got 3 new guys, and counting. what are the dolphins going to do this coming off season?

TransMonk Dec 08 2011 09:12 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

I'm getting ready to make a hefty bet that the Mets will win more games than the Marlins over the next 6 years. I expect the Miami roster to start crumbling in 2014...at which point we will have shed some big contracts and some young arms will be ready to start in Queens.

Edgy MD Dec 08 2011 09:23 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

I think the Mets' awesomeness will come faster than you think.

Gwreck Dec 08 2011 09:24 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

Edgy DC wrote: I think the Mets' awesomeness will come faster than you think. Fill in the blank. The Mets will next make the playoffs in _______.

TransMonk Dec 08 2011 09:26 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

I sure hope Edgy's right, but I'm prepared for a lean couple of years...not that they won't be interesting.

metirish Dec 08 2011 09:28 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

TransMonk wrote: I sure hope Edgy's right, but I'm prepared for a lean couple of years...not that they won't be interesting. 2013

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 08 2011 09:34 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

I'm hopeful, too. But speaking realistically? Hell, "not painful to watch in 2013" is a long bet. Without Reyes' production, a LOT-- like, say, hitting big on 3 out of 4 "Big Four" pitching prospects-- would have to go right for them to make the playoffs in 2014, even.

Edgy MD Dec 08 2011 09:52 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

How about hitting big on Tejada? On Havens? On Davis? On Murphy even? They have growth potential all over the field. Not to go ceetar, but here I am. This is a young and increasingly inexpensive team, with reason to be optmistic --- if not always confident --- in most areas.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 08 2011 10:58 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

Hitting on all of those (with their good-but-limited ceilings, unless you think Tejada or Havens will go 30-30 on us), and 2 of the big prospects? Maybe that gets us in by, say, 2014. Maybe. Again, I'm hopeful, too. But look at the rest of the division, sir.

Vic Sage Dec 08 2011 11:02 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

Edgy is the thing with feathers.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 08 2011 11:04 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

I'm an Optimistic Met Fan too. But I usually am. They obviously need better pitching and D each night, and to have a lot go right, but worse talent has won before. It happens all the time.

metirish Dec 08 2011 11:05 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

Welcome back Ceetar, missed you.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 08 2011 11:06 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

I think the Mets can be a good, maybe even a very good, team before too long. But good enough to win? That's going to require some more time, or quite a bit of bad news for the other four teams in the NL East.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 08 2011 11:06 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

metirish wrote: Welcome back Ceetar, missed you. Yeah, what happened to Ceetar? Someone should go see if he's still breathing.

attgig Dec 08 2011 11:09 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

the mets can be good, but there's just too many variables considering our competition. I kinda feel like the Orioles of the NL east. get hopeful with some solid prospects, but then playing the yankees and redsox and rays, just too hard to actually win because the promising young starters just get crushed by the crazy offenses of the other teams.

metirish Dec 08 2011 11:10 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

attgig wrote: I kinda feel like the Orioles of the NL east. what an awful thought, and it's true.

Edgy MD Dec 08 2011 11:11 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

Gwreck wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I think the Mets' awesomeness will come faster than you think. Fill in the blank. The Mets will next make the playoffs in _______. 2012

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 08 2011 11:12 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

That's a lotta feathers.

Edgy MD Dec 08 2011 11:14 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Hitting on all of those (with their good-but-limited ceilings, unless you think Tejada or Havens will go 30-30 on us), and 2 of the big prospects? Maybe that gets us in by, say, 2014. Maybe. Again, I'm hopeful, too. But look at the rest of the division, sir. I laugh. I guffaw with hardiness. They are only the hateful fire that will temper Terry's sword of righteous baseballness.

TransMonk Dec 08 2011 11:18 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

I still think it will be a couple of years, but Edgy sure has brightened my day. <------------------------------------------------

Edgy MD Dec 08 2011 11:19 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

Benjamin Grimm wrote: metirish wrote: Welcome back Ceetar, missed you. Yeah, what happened to Ceetar? Someone should go see if he's still breathing. Seven tweets on December 4 (Sunday, the night the Reyes story broke), then nothing. Smoly smap.

Edgy MD Dec 08 2011 11:24 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

Judging from his December 5 blog entry, I fear he may be in jail.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 08 2011 11:27 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

When optimism dies, it dies hard.

Vic Sage Dec 08 2011 11:34 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

we sucked from 62-68, 74-83, 91-96, 2001-2005, and now since 2009. These suck cycles seem to run from 5-10 years, so I'd say the soonest we should get back to the post-season would be 2014, but if things continue to go wrong, maybe not for another decade. But with an extra WC team, however, maybe on the "sooner" rather than "later" end of that range. So I'll guess 2014, which is Ceetardian of me, but what the hell.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 08 2011 11:45 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

Holy crap the Mets broke Ceetar. Well, he was fun to have around.

Vic Sage Dec 08 2011 11:53 AM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

thankfully, Edgy has grown enough feathers to fill the "optimism gap".

Mets – Willets Point Dec 08 2011 12:05 PM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

Ceetar often strikes me as someone awfully pessimistic for someone who has an Optimistic Mets Fan Blog. He seems less optimistic than me at least.

Ceetar Dec 08 2011 12:21 PM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Ceetar often strikes me as someone awfully pessimistic for someone who has an Optimistic Mets Fan Blog. He seems less optimistic than me at least. My intention was never to be the 'spin guy' or whatever, but to sorta combat what seemed like popular sentiments of "They're cheap!" "If he comes here he'll just suck or get hurt!" "The Mets are cursed!" "The Wilpons only care about the Dodgers". I wanted to talk about the actual team and not conspiracy theories. Yeah, I'm not dead (getting better, I think I'll go for a walk..), just taking a step back emotionally from the team. I feel..betrayed. fairly or unfairly. He was exciting to watch. He was a staple of the team for pretty much my entire 'adult' life (I graduated college in May of 2003.) It's a big change and I need(ed) some time to wrap my head around it.

Ceetar Dec 08 2011 12:21 PM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

btw, is it just me or are all the profile-images breaking my threads?

Edgy MD Dec 08 2011 12:24 PM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

No, they broke. Glad to see you're in one piece.

Ceetar Dec 08 2011 12:27 PM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

Edgy DC wrote: No, they broke. Glad to see you're in one piece. Mean of me, but the Pujols news made me feel better. Misery loves company and all. Not sure what to do with my Pagan jersey though.

Mets – Willets Point Dec 08 2011 12:36 PM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

Ceetar wrote: Mets – Willets Point wrote: Ceetar often strikes me as someone awfully pessimistic for someone who has an Optimistic Mets Fan Blog. He seems less optimistic than me at least. My intention was never to be the 'spin guy' or whatever, but to sorta combat what seemed like popular sentiments of "They're cheap!" "If he comes here he'll just suck or get hurt!" "The Mets are cursed!" "The Wilpons only care about the Dodgers". I wanted to talk about the actual team and not conspiracy theories. Fair enough. That's kinda where I stand too. I just never thought of you as the Pollyanna type that others seem to think you are.

Ceetar Dec 08 2011 12:44 PM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Mets – Willets Point wrote: Ceetar often strikes me as someone awfully pessimistic for someone who has an Optimistic Mets Fan Blog. He seems less optimistic than me at least. My intention was never to be the 'spin guy' or whatever, but to sorta combat what seemed like popular sentiments of "They're cheap!" "If he comes here he'll just suck or get hurt!" "The Mets are cursed!" "The Wilpons only care about the Dodgers". I wanted to talk about the actual team and not conspiracy theories. Fair enough. That's kinda where I stand too. I just never thought of you as the Pollyanna type that others seem to think you are. I do have a tendency to exaggerate when pushed.

attgig Dec 08 2011 12:49 PM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

grab a beer with a buddy, commiserate over the state of the mets, and keep on being your optimistic self. as annoying as it can be sometimes, othertimes, we do need that optimism...

Ceetar Dec 08 2011 12:56 PM Re: Buerhle to Marlins

attgig wrote: grab a beer with a buddy, commiserate over the state of the mets, and keep on being your optimistic self. as annoying as it can be sometimes, othertimes, we do need that optimism... bah, buddy..I'm too anti-social for that. (okay, fine, I'm going to a beer bar fest in Manhattan on Saturday) Anyway. Buerhle has been a pretty good pitcher despite peripherals for a while, but I see him being one of those guys that gets his last payday and ages really quickly.