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$20 Million Can Get You Lots
G-Fafif Dec 20 2011 09:56 PM |
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Sandomir of ye old Times on what Mets are offering prospective minority share owners.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 20 2011 10:03 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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Or it could mean that Wilpon/Katz will rob Peter to pay Paul. Perhaps they're "buying" the remaining two shares, not as a showing of good faith, but because they're having trouble selling them, and MLB won't approve the $200M deal until all 10 shares are sold.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 20 2011 10:03 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
I'm just about embarrassed at this point.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 20 2011 10:05 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
You should be.
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duan Dec 21 2011 04:51 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
It's actually par for the course in these yokes I suppose, but it is totally horrible way of constructing something. Makes you feel kinda quesy really.
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metirish Dec 21 2011 05:34 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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My exact same thoughts as I read the article, embarrassing.
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G-Fafif Dec 21 2011 06:03 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
The link to the Times story will lead you to a copy of the actual document listing the benefits. It's even starker in print.
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metirish Dec 21 2011 06:05 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
It does make for fun on twitter #metsminorotyownerperks , it'll be trending soon
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Ceetar Dec 21 2011 06:46 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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I doubt it. It's the offseason, and some of the more popular memes during the season never really trended.
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Ceetar Dec 21 2011 06:47 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
Regardless, I imagine similar documents at big companies pitching to investors have the same stuff. Fail to see how it's embarrassing.
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G-Fafif Dec 21 2011 07:50 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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From the "Mets Investor Partnership Benefits" section of the actual document (as opposed to #metsminorityownerperks -- for which you're welcome).
Allowance? WTF? If I'm forking over $20 million, you bring an ox to my suite and call it crudité. And ox blood to wash it down. That's my food and drink allowance, bitch.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 21 2011 07:52 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
I like how you get to go on a road trip, and the Mets pick which one you can go on. I give you $20 million and you tell me I can't go to San Diego, I have to go to Milwaukee?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 21 2011 07:55 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
The whole thing is laughable. I can make up biz cards that say I own the Mets.
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Ceetar Dec 21 2011 08:03 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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That's good that you're using the whole ox. don't want to waste it. Food and drink allowance is probably the lawyer word for covering themselves in case you (anyone can order an Empire Suite after all) find a way to order a million dollars worth of stuff.
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G-Fafif Dec 21 2011 08:18 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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Nymr83 Dec 21 2011 08:19 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
The list of so-called perks makes it clear that these people are to be treated like glorified season ticket holders with a very expensive PSL, not co-owners of the team. "Minority owner," to me, means all the rights of ownership except for making business and personnel decisions on your own. That means full access to Citi Field when YOU want, access to Alderson/Collins on demand, all the merchandise and food you want (with perhaps the one proviso that you can't just grab a bunch of swag and re-sell it.)
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G-Fafif Dec 21 2011 08:21 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
I'm pretty sure they found an old Midget Mets membership form and used that as a template.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 21 2011 08:24 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
I think they also require you to undergo Metsmerization.
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Ceetar Dec 21 2011 08:29 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
If I'm a potential developer for the Willets Point area, investing in the Mets to get included in any Sterling Equities development seems like a good idea. Get all buddy-buddy and probably can market a potential sports bar as "the Official Mets sports bar" or something like that.
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Edgy MD Dec 21 2011 08:36 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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Sheesh, I would.
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G-Fafif Dec 21 2011 08:37 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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Extensive process. Includes filling batters with awkwardly rhymed terror and forever renouncing the Red Machine.
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Ceetar Dec 21 2011 08:37 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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Also, being a business and being able to hold a holiday party or business event AT Citi Field seems pretty cool. Get to be on the 'advisory' board. Which sounds like just a lot of suits being informed of the 'big boys decisions' regarding budget and what not, but three advisory board members do get promoted to the main board, so there is some sense of input.
JayZ got to help woo LeBron didn't he? well, potential minority owners get to hang out as DePodesta drafts the players.
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metirish Dec 21 2011 09:35 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
Not for nothing but Fred needs to hire Ceetar as the seller.
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Ceetar Dec 21 2011 09:41 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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i barely understand what those clauses in there mean. Initial Liquidation preference? Becomes common equity interest if not sold? It doesn't really seem like a hard-sell to me. They're selling 12 and Sterling will buy at least two. They'll get their 240 million dollars. That's what they need, and what they planned for. It's fun to laugh at the perks, but there's nothing really odd-ball or embarrassing about it. I bet Yankees minority owners get discounts on merchandise as well.
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soupcan Dec 21 2011 09:47 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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Really?
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Ceetar Dec 21 2011 09:52 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
The alternative of course is _not_ getting a discount. Or not being allowed to have Mr. Met at your corporate event. Or not being given the right for family and friends to have first right to buy tickets to games, home and away, all-star and postseason.
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Fman99 Dec 21 2011 10:23 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
For $25 million can I get Mr. Met to toss my salad?
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Edgy MD Dec 21 2011 10:30 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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Well, that's an alternative course. Another one is Mr. Met on call, an awesome box so tricked out that you and your guests want for nothing, seats on the team plane on all road trips, voting board membership (even if the Wilpon majority is unbreachable). Links memberships. Instant class. Ownership privileges. Not the sort of privileges you get when you join a club. But the sort of privileges you get when you join a CLUB. I agree that too much is being made of this, as is often the case when it comes to zinging the Mets. But one has to acknowledge that the itemization seems drawn up as much to make the prospect appealing as to make clear to uppity wannabes what they're not getting. Formerly treated himself as an uppity wannabe, Fred Wilpon knows this game.
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themetfairy Dec 21 2011 10:35 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
$20 million doesn't include season tickets?
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G-Fafif Dec 21 2011 10:39 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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Mets thought process: "What if two of our minority share owners wants Mr. Met at the same time?" Mets not realizing: "We can probably coordinate it so we have one Mr. Met here and another Mr. Met there without the unwashed masses being any the wiser. We do have a closetful of gigantic heads, don't we? "Don't we?"
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metsmarathon Dec 21 2011 10:53 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
but how could he be in two places at one time?
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themetfairy Dec 21 2011 10:57 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
When I wanted to book Mr. Met for MK's Bar Mitzvah on the afternoon of the 1969 40th Anniversary celebration, I was told there is only one Mr. Met.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2011 11:18 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
ESPN Sportscenter vid at bottom pf page -- talking jock and analysts riff on the $20M term sheet. http://www.sportsgrid.com/mlb/sportscenter-clowns-mets/
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Ceetar Dec 21 2011 11:40 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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Well Mr. Met is only on call within the stadium. You don't get him to come to your house. So there only needs to be one. I suspect there are more though, unless they got laid off.
Presumably you're not really joining the CLUB, just the club. You're being invited to pledge the fraternity, not being inducted. You're invited to apply, you're not given the job. There is also the Allen & Company "STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL" please do not distribute statement on there that someone obviously broke. Not that the Mets should've assumed no one was going to leak it, but hey, it did take a couple of months.
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Edgy MD Dec 21 2011 11:43 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
Yeah, I'd want to be in the CLUB.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 21 2011 11:45 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
For $20 million? You bet. That certainly deserves the full red carpet treatment.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2011 12:12 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
Did The Met Fairy buy into the Mets? She has access.
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themetfairy Dec 21 2011 12:17 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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Damn - I was trying to keep that a secret from the rest of you....
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Ashie62 Dec 21 2011 01:37 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
Somehow I doubt the interest in these shares is high..
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Edgy MD Dec 21 2011 01:39 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
Well, they come with a guaranteed return. That's something.
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Ceetar Dec 21 2011 02:10 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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plus interest. plus guaranteed not to depreciate. there is reportedly interest though. Interesting that this would end up selling off MORE of the team than the Einhorn deal would've.
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Ashie62 Dec 21 2011 02:15 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
Does pay 3% over six years. Is the principal guaranteed?? Low risk for sure..but..
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2011 04:54 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
What guarantee will the minority owners be given for their respective $20M investments against a bankruptcy?
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Ashie62 Dec 21 2011 05:33 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
that
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Ceetar Dec 21 2011 07:44 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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I don't understand the legal mumbo jumbo, but I'm pretty sure that's protected.
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Nymr83 Dec 21 2011 08:26 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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I really wouldn't assume that.
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Ceetar Dec 21 2011 09:16 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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it's an educated assumption, and one i'm fairly confident in. Especially given that the Mets will exist in 2018.
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Rockin' Doc Dec 21 2011 09:20 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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Why would you want to do that? Ownership cards would only serve to make you a laughingstock and associate you with the current clueless ownership.
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Vic Sage Dec 21 2011 09:34 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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Lee Harvey, your a madman. I want to party with you, Cowboy.
that statement indicates a fairly UNeducated assumption, or set of assumptions. Yes, it is likely the Mets will exist in 2018, but not at all a foregone conclusion that they'll be owned by Wilpon & Co, or anybody else who invests in the team under their stewardship. They could all get wiped out in a bankruptcy proceeding. And their is no way the Wilpon group could guarantee an investor otherwise, unless this "investment" is merely a priority loan that would get paid back first, but i don't think the banks they are currently in hock to up to their fucking eyeballs would ever allow them to offer such terms to any third parties. No, this is purely a vanity purchase, like a yacht with gold toilet seats. Wait. I take that back. A Yacht has actual value; gold toilet seats can be melted down, or at least shat through. These are just pimped out season ticket holders with a shot of getting their money back (plus 3%) in 6 years, but not necessarily a good shot. No educated investor looks at this and says "whoa, Nelly, where do i sign?" This is for stupid rich fanboys looking to blow some bucks to say they own the Mets, and maybe get Mr. Met for the their kid's bar mitzvah. I assure you, Einhorn-types look at this bullshit and laugh.
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metsmarathon Dec 21 2011 09:47 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
now, vic.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2011 10:42 PM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
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I asked a rhetorical question. The investors have no guarantee in a bankruptcy because there, the owners will owe a lot more money than they have to pay out. The Mets have two large creditors that are owed about $400M --each-- and we know that those banks didn't lend the Mets those huge sums of money without reserving for themselves the right to approve or veto any subsequent loan to the Mets. They have that clout because of the money they lent to the Mets. And they're not gonna approve any new loans that further compromise their own chances of being repaid. This wouldn't ordinarily matter so much except that if the numbers being cited by the NYT, Megdal, et.al. are reasonably accurate, then there is a very realistic chance that the Mets end up in bankruptcy if they don't first sell the team. The Mets appear to be at the mercy of their large creditors. And unless those creditors are willing to restructure when the principal payments become due (beginning about two seasons from now) Fred and Saul won't be able to retain the team. The big black hole, though, in all of these forensic studies of the Mets finances is how much money the owners have access to outside of their baseball operations. No one knows for sure, and this could change things drastically, though it's a good guess that they're tapped out all around because why else would they need to borrow from MLB, or take out a bridge loan, or just now decide to eliminate a whole minor league team? All this, without even accounting for a single penny of damages from the Picard suit. The Mets are trying to sell between 40% and 48% of the team just to keep the lights on for another 10 months. Financially, they appear to be in a death spiral.
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Ashie62 Dec 22 2011 09:07 AM Re: $20 Million Can Get You Lots |
There is a pecking order of creditors in any banruptcy. It doubt the 20 million dollar chips rank very high.
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