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Benjamin Grimm
Jan 01 2012 06:22 AM

Here's where you talk about running. I think it has something to do with putting one foot in front of another in quick succession.

metsguyinmichigan
Jan 01 2012 10:04 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

OK, so I've had a Pro-Form treadmill for about two years. It stopped working -- the belt wouldn't turn. The folks at the store said must be a motor issue, and that would be covered by warranty.

So I called the company, we took various pieces apart to see lights and such, and the tech said it was not the motor, but the console -- and they could send me a new one for $500. Yikes. For that price,I might as well get a new treadmill.

So we went off to find a new one, and I was going to avoid Pro Form, given the issues. We settled on one by Epic, which, I discovered, is a more upscale brand of Pro Form. Apparently it's the Nordic Track company and they make just about everything. It's difficult to escape them without going into the $1,000 range, which is not something I can do.

We set the thing up and it seemed work well. Nice, solid treadmill.

Except the next day, my wife called and said "Why does your treadmill shut off when I turn on the fan?" (It has a built-in fan.)

So after playing with it for a while, and seeing that it indeed shuts off, I called the company.

"Sounds like a console problem."

I explained that we just went through that with the previous machine, that this second issue does not make me confident, and that I was very tempted to drag the thing back to the store and return it to the store.

They're sending a new console and a guy to install it, all without charge. But I'm a little worried.

themetfairy
Jan 01 2012 01:20 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I started off the year by running the Hamilton Hangover 5-miler. Finished in 57:39:82 - my second fastest time on this course. It was a good way to start the year :)

metsguyinmichigan
Jan 01 2012 03:07 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Good job, MF!!!

DocTee
Jan 01 2012 03:37 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Santa bought me a Garmin GPS watch, and wifey came through with some cold weather running clothes, so my usual routine of running every day from May-September (and never after that) changes now. Looking forward to a productive and healthy 2012.

themetfairy
Jan 01 2012 05:24 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Thanks michigan :)

Enjoy the new gear Doc!

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 01 2012 05:35 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Tore the calf in Feb last year and didn't do much of shit the rest of the way. Resolving to try to hit the pavement more this year. 3 mi in the books. BAM. 2k12 gonna be my beeotch.

Ceetar
Jan 03 2012 06:00 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I didn't really run much the last three weeks, walk into the gym today only to be told my membership was sold to LA Fitness. They let me in today, but ugh.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 03 2012 06:04 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

planning to get out there tonight! 20 degrees, 17 mph winds.

Fman99
Jan 03 2012 07:30 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
planning to get out there tonight! 20 degrees, 17 mph winds.


I bought special winter proof underwear today for my next run. I need some kind of codpiece, my junk be getting all frozen and whatnot.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 03 2012 08:47 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Bundled up (thick tights, 2 shirts and a thick top, hat, gloves) and stayed warm except for my face which froze while running upwind. Felt like coming out of the dentist.

Incidentally, debuted the iMapMy Run GPS thing by taking my phone along for the first time, just to check it out. The route I map manually at 7.05 miles came in at 7.44 miles and had me running through buildings and darting across busy streets, I think I prefer the old way.

Fman99
Jan 04 2012 04:41 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Bundled up (thick tights, 2 shirts and a thick top, hat, gloves) and stayed warm except for my face which froze while running upwind. Felt like coming out of the dentist.

Incidentally, debuted the iMapMy Run GPS thing by taking my phone along for the first time, just to check it out. The route I map manually at 7.05 miles came in at 7.44 miles and had me running through buildings and darting across busy streets, I think I prefer the old way.


Yep. Gave up on phone/GPS running for that very reason. I got tired of coming home and having to "correct" the mapping of my route that the phone and gotten wrong, especially when I was running a straight line and my phone had me zigging and zagging like I was dodging poison arrows.

I wonder if the watches are more accurate.

metsmarathon
Jan 04 2012 06:53 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

the watches are probably more accurate, if only because they are designed to be gps receivers, and are not phone/computer/cameras with a gps stuffed in there too.

how much better, well, that's hard to say. not perfect though. especially in a city, or with a lot of dense foliage overhead.

Ceetar
Jan 04 2012 06:58 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I think you can set the GPS to a route in like runkeeper though right? (I don't have a route, so never tried)

I can't see the watches being that much better, since I don't think GPSs in general are all that accurate. It guesses based on the location of roads, which is why if you're on one of those crazy places with roads on top of roads, it often randomly assigns you to one of them.

metsmarathon
Jan 04 2012 07:25 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

gps can get really accurate. down to the centimeter if you've got a good enough one, and don't move it. by that i mean surveying equipment.

watches are more likely to be accurate than a phone because hte watch body can be tuned/designed to minimize it's interference with the gps signals, whereas a phone is likely not. the bigger and bulkier it is, the more likely it is to be more accurate.

the reason your gps puts you on random roads is the fault of hte roads tehmselves getting in the way of the signal, causing error, and the navigation/mapping software placing you on the road of its choice, and usually does so without applying any logic whatsoever. the gps receievr in your watch or phone just tells you exactly where it thinks you are. it may be wong, but it doesn't care about roads. that's the software's fault.

Ceetar
Jan 04 2012 07:33 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

well yeah, the 'don't move it' thing. But when you're running I don't think the technology is quite there yet to pinpoint you without the zagging. How does the fact that a watch is usually on an a limb that's moving even more affect it?

There are a billion issues with the GPS/Maps/navigation interfaces, but on even the driving ones you can often witness the zigging and zagging.

metsmarathon
Jan 04 2012 07:48 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

i had a better response earlier, but i closed the window. your phone, watch, gps nav are probably accurate to within 10m or so. and that means that the 10m thing jumps around. to the left, to the right, in front, in back, like a drunk throwing darts. sometimes he hits the mark, sometimes a triple 1, occasionally a double 16.

he's usually fairly good, and if there's not too many buildings or big bridges, he'll get the darts on the board. but complicated overpasses are like a shot of tequila. all hell breaks loose. and skyscrapers are his jagrmeister.

i could go on in defense of gps, but i don't know why. i don't wear a gps watch, and only run with my phone when i forget my own watch (though i've found it to be fairly accurate where i run at work). i think it's folly to use the readout from a gps watch to criticize the length of a race, particualrly a marathon. but i think they have their utility, in terms of giving some level of instant feedback. all i'd really advise with a gps watch is, if you really want to run 8 miles, don't stop until you've hit at least 8 and a quarter.

that all said, i did get mrs.mm a garmin watch for xmas, and she's going to be using it this weekend in teh WDW half and marathon. and i can't wait to give it a go myself. i doubt i'll be a fconvert, given that i prefer to pre-map my routes, but it'd be fun to have an additional data source available at times.

Ceetar
Jan 04 2012 07:55 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I wasn't really trying to kill GPS. Just speculating that I didn't think that if the issue is zigging and precise accuracy, watches may be an improvement but won't really get the job done.

I thought there was a way to 'run a map/route' on runkeeper but I don't see it. You should be able to tell one of those apps about a pre-measured route and then just have it track you along that right? That would eliminate the inaccurate measurements and still give you a correct time and breakdowns and speed and all that.

Nymr83
Jan 04 2012 08:00 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I went running last night... For about 30 seconds when I saw my bus coming fown 5th Avenue and knew I'd have to haul ass to avoid waiting 20 minutes for the next one! That's about all the running I do anymore. Anyone know of good adult basketball leagues in the city?

Also, how the heck do you run with all those layers you are describing? Even if I'm just shoveling snow I'm down to a t-shirt in minutes, the heat just builds up too fast for layers

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 04 2012 08:11 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Just those tech wicking shirts is all. A long sleeve, then a sleeveless, then one of those half-zip pullover jackets. It's actually pretty light. The tights make me feel like Ned Flanders skiing. "Feels like I'm wearin' nothin at all!"

DocTee
Jan 04 2012 09:21 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Loving the Garmin Forerunner GPS watch. Allows me to track all sorts of data, which I think will actually cause me to run more frequently. Have had no issues with the zigzag y'all describe, though the touch bezel takes a tad getting used to.

Frayed Knot
Jan 04 2012 10:58 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Nymr83 wrote:
Also, how the heck do you run with all those layers you are describing? Even if I'm just shoveling snow I'm down to a t-shirt in minutes, the heat just builds up too fast for layers


A decent rule of them when exercising - or even working at something like snow-shoveling - in cold weather is that if you're Not cold for the first five minutes or so that you're out there then you're probably over-dressed. Dressing to the point where you're toasty warm even before you're warmed-up tends to lead to sweating which leads either to being cold because you're wet or to wanting to take off layers which leads to the same thing.
So what might seem like under-dressing at the very beginning probably isn't.

metsmarathon
Jan 04 2012 11:14 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

just went for a 3.6 mile run in 20 degree weather.

wore a pair of running shorts under a pair of loose asics pants, stretchy long sleeve nike shirt under a loose coolmax-y asics long sleeve t, and a windbreaker running vest. gloves and a hat.

at the end i was fairly warm. not nearly as cold as i would have guessed, though my midriff got chilly as the vest tends to pull up, leaving the shirts less protected from the wind.

34 minutes for the run. nice easy pace.

Ceetar
Jan 04 2012 11:42 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

how do your lungs respond to the cold? It might just be the umm..padding, i have that makes each breath be more strenuous to begin with, but the last couple of times I ran in the frigid cold it seemingly turned into a strained chest. It could be coincidence I guess, but I ran 12 miles that week in the gym, took two days off, and then run a mere 2.5 miles on Saturday and my chest hurt for a while after that.

Maybe I wasn't warming up enough?

metsmarathon
Jan 04 2012 11:58 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

well, it was an easy run. if i were running hard, yeah, my lungs would not have been happy at all.

themetfairy
Jan 04 2012 12:20 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I like my Nike+ GPS watch. I don't care if it's pinpoint accurate, but when I go running without a planned route, I like having a ballpark figure of my distance.

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 04 2012 12:59 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

metsmarathon wrote:
just went for a 3.6 mile run in 20 degree weather.

wore a pair of running shorts under a pair of loose asics pants, stretchy long sleeve nike shirt under a loose coolmax-y asics long sleeve t, and a windbreaker running vest. gloves and a hat.

at the end i was fairly warm. not nearly as cold as i would have guessed, though my midriff got chilly as the vest tends to pull up, leaving the shirts less protected from the wind.

34 minutes for the run. nice easy pace.


It is 79 degrees right now. I would never run ever if I lived in the cold. Super giant wimp here.

Ceetar
Jan 04 2012 01:05 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

metsmarathon wrote:
well, it was an easy run. if i were running hard, yeah, my lungs would not have been happy at all.


an easy run for me is a walk, so.. ;-)

Fman99
Jan 04 2012 07:27 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

A Boy Named Seo wrote:
just went for a 3.6 mile run in 20 degree weather.

wore a pair of running shorts under a pair of loose asics pants, stretchy long sleeve nike shirt under a loose coolmax-y asics long sleeve t, and a windbreaker running vest. gloves and a hat.

at the end i was fairly warm. not nearly as cold as i would have guessed, though my midriff got chilly as the vest tends to pull up, leaving the shirts less protected from the wind.

34 minutes for the run. nice easy pace.


It is 79 degrees right now. I would never run ever if I lived in the cold. Super giant wimp here.


I won't judge you on that. This is my first winter running out of doors and I am digging it so far. I went a little harder today.

I had planned on running after my 3:45 podiatry appointment today until I experienced auto issues on my way home last night. Now that I can telecommute I devised a new plan -- work from home until 3, run the 3.6 miles to my podiatry appointment, and then run the 2.1 miles from there to my garage. The garage is in between the two, so, even if my car wasn't ready, it was only another mile and a half from there back to the house.

So that's what I did. Made a good pace, too. Low 20 temps here, I was wearing running pants, ordinary cotton socks, a short sleeved tech tee and a bad ass Under Armour hoodie sweatshirt that I got for the holidays. This thing is great in the cold. Oh, yeah, and a hat and gloves. Made the first 3.6 to the podiatrist in 29 minutes and change and the next 2.1 to the garage in another 17 minutes, nice little 8:09 pace all total.

I so do not miss the gym or the dreadmill. I do need to try out my new running underwear that I bought. My junk be all cold and shit out there.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 07 2012 01:39 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Jesus, this was the best Jan. 7 for running in a while. Over the Brooklyn Bridge, back over the Manhattan Bridge, 12.1 miles.

Fman99
Jan 07 2012 01:46 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Jesus, this was the best Jan. 7 for running in a while. Over the Brooklyn Bridge, back over the Manhattan Bridge, 12.1 miles.


Seriously, did 4.6 last night and 4.85 this morning. Tonight's the annual "Run the Lights on the Lake" 4 miler. Getting my miles in while it's awesome out.

Fman99
Jan 08 2012 08:45 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Floating it again now that we've rolled the odometer over to a new 2012 running thread.

Forty eight days from today I will be running the inaugural Lake Effect Half Marathon, to be held here in the town in which I reside, Liverpool, New York. We're already up to 213 registered runners and counting and it's going to be a big event.

My offer still stand. Any CPF member who can navigate themselves to the greater Syracuse metro area on Friday, February 24th with the intention of running 13.1 miles with me the following day, in Syracuse, in February, along a lake, will get a free night's lodging at a local hotel as well as a home cooked dinner at my house the evening prior to the race. And introductions to all of my running club friends in Syracuse that are putting on this event.

Come join us. Unless you're, you know, a big puss.

Ceetar
Jan 08 2012 09:21 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Fman99 wrote:


Come join us. Unless you're, you know, a big puss.


That's me!

Farmer Ted
Jan 09 2012 02:37 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

On the DL. After NYC, one of those infamous black toenails just wouldn't fall off. It appears the nail was anchored by a nasty piece of ingrown nail funk. Ms. Podiatrist took care of the spectacle (ripping the whole kit and kaboodle off) and I'm still bandaged a week later. On to the recumbent bike tomorrow.

Fman99
Jan 13 2012 08:36 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

No takers?

COWARDS.

(Note: This post has been brought to you by alcohol.)

themetfairy
Jan 18 2012 03:26 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

mm - May I ask you a favor? At your convenience, would you please give me an idea of the grades of the hills on this course?

Many thanks in advance!

metsmarathon
Jan 19 2012 07:17 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

country music half marathon, right? i'll try to give it a shot later today. but offhand, it looks like miles 2-5 are going to be a long slog, but the last half of hte race should be nice and fast. except for what they throw at you in the last mile.

themetfairy
Jan 19 2012 11:04 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Yes - it's the Country Music Half in Nashville.

Thanks :)

Ceetar
Jan 30 2012 05:43 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

39.96 for January, which is actually a record for me. (so says runkeeper anyway, not running tomorrow because I'm going to some business meeting with my aunt at the Red Bulls Arena. weird. I dunno..)

was watching Unstoppable (well, the last 66 minutes of it) at the gym, and I wanted to see how it ended so my 40-45 minute planned run became 70. Action movies are apparently good motivators.

Fman99
Jan 30 2012 06:20 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Ceetar wrote:
39.96 for January, which is actually a record for me. (so says runkeeper anyway, not running tomorrow because I'm going to some business meeting with my aunt at the Red Bulls Arena. weird. I dunno..)

was watching Unstoppable (well, the last 66 minutes of it) at the gym, and I wanted to see how it ended so my 40-45 minute planned run became 70. Action movies are apparently good motivators.


Good for you man! I am running tomorrow which will put me in the neighborhood of 84 miles or so for January.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 30 2012 09:01 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I just got in from my last run of the month.

I set a new JCL monthly record with 96.25 miles this month, a testament to the cool but not frigid weather and little rain or snow. I am flirting with foot trouble again and will likely reel it in by the time the vacay starts in Feb.

TransMonk
Jan 31 2012 07:20 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

0. I decided at the beginning of the month not to start my 2012 running until after I get back from my Mexican vacation next week.

I did bike 31 miles, swam 1.25 miles and focused three times per week on much needed strength training in January.

metsmarathon
Jan 31 2012 10:51 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

43.58 miles and starting to feel like a runner again.

Rockin' Doc
Feb 03 2012 07:26 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I'm cutting back on my running in order to focus a little more on the weight training. Still trying to run 5-7 miles roughly 3 times a week. Unfortunately, a nasty stomach virus (24 hours of major discomfort) and a business trip to New Orleans combined to keep me from running the final week of January. I was still able to run 9 times and covered 55.17 miles.

themetfairy
Feb 03 2012 08:31 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I went from the orange level to green today with my Nike+ watch.

461 miles to go until blue - I should get there by the end of the year.

The Levels

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 14 2012 02:46 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Tell your friends in Baltimore to run the Fiesta 5K with me on May 5. I set a PR there last year (I think).

If you go, join my team.

Fman99
Feb 15 2012 12:22 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Would love to come down and run that but I'm running the Mountain Goat 10 Miler the next day here in the 'Cuse. Another time perhaps.

Race schedule is filling out nicely for spring:

Feb 25 Lake Effect Half Marathon
Mar 10 Tipp Hill Shamrock Race 4 Miler
Apr 1 Skunk Cabbage Half Marathon, Ithaca
May 6 Mountain Goat 10 Miler
May 27 Alexandria Running Festival Half Marathon (Alexandria, VA)

Will probably add a few more 5k's to the mix on weekends not listed above, as they come up.

Mets – Willets Point
Feb 24 2012 08:27 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

All you runners now have your own beer, 26.2 Brew from Sam Adams.

Ceetar
Feb 24 2012 08:38 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Mets – Willets Point wrote:
All you runners now have your own beer, 26.2 Brew from Sam Adams.


I'm more apt to drink 26.2 26.2s than run 26.2

Fman99
Feb 25 2012 05:35 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

First of 12 half marathons for 2012 in the books, run in wind gusts of 30-40 MPH and sideways snow. I managed to run a chip time of 1:58:28, 147th out of 415 finishers, and had a great time.

News footage here gives you a sense of what we were dealing with.

TransMonk
Feb 26 2012 10:26 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Took my first real run of the year this morning...8K outdoors. Felt great.

I've been spending the past few weeks in the weight room trying to build up my leg strength. It feels like it's paying off...but we'll see How I feel in the morning.

metsmarathon
Feb 26 2012 08:34 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

First of 12 half marathons for 2012 in the books, run in wind gusts of 30-40 MPH and sideways snow. I managed to run a chip time of 1:58:28, 147th out of 415 finishers, and had a great time.

News footage here gives you a sense of what we were dealing with.


nice work! i had a half a few years back that was an out-and back, where teh first half was into a 30-40mph tailwind, and the second half was into the same for a headwind. instead of snow, we were pelted with sand. but your race was definitely colder. good job. and good luck with the next 11.

TransMonk
Feb 29 2012 08:01 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I just barely got back on the horse in February after a few weeks off. I ran a total of 21K (13 miles).

I've got 63K scheduled for March. I can't wait for the warmer weather.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 29 2012 08:53 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I was having another runny month until I caught this weird head cold that wound up trapping fluid in my ear for more than week and shut me down except for the 8.1 mile race in Hawaii last week (48.8 miles overall). I was still pretty stuffed up for that, and a little jetlagged, but it was fun.

Dropped off downtown ~5:30 am to find my bib and the starting line, it was just getting light when it began. There was 20,000 runners!

In deference to the big military population there, they started dozens of various military groups first. They ran in formation with their flags doing their PT call-and-responses, and it definitely pumped me up to be passing these groups (doing their chants with them) for the entire first 5 miles.

The scenery which I thought might be spectacular was anything but. I mean there was the downtown but mostly in darkness, then along industrial waterfront piers (warehouses, refineries) then about 4 miles underneath a freeway which was nice in that it kept the sun off but wasn't much to look at.

The course was flat till about 6 miles then an irritatingly steady uphill as we approached the finish inside the UH football stadium. I was running OK except for one shoe being too tight and heard a time of 58:10 at mile 7. Not bad. But I absolutely hit the wall at at that point and felt like I was going backwards till the end, which I basically did: 8 minute miles for 7 miles then nearly 11 for the final 1.15, finishing in 1:09:05.

I received a trophy for being the Whitest Guy on the Island afterward.

themetfairy
Feb 29 2012 09:19 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Very cool lunchie.

And I'd kill for one of your off runs - well done!

metsmarathon
Feb 29 2012 11:52 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I received a trophy for being the Whitest Guy on the Island afterward.


awesome achievement!

i concluded february with a 5 miler to bring me to 81 miles over hte preceding 29 days. i ran in shorts today, because i forgot to bring running pants, and because i hate treadmills. running in snow with shorts isn't too bad so long as the wind hold off and it doesn't switch into rain. today, the wind held off for 4 of the five miles, and the rain held off until the last 100m.

Ceetar
Mar 01 2012 09:23 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

19 miles in February Which isn't _so_ bad since I was gone for 9 of them. I like to try to eclipse a mile a day average, so just missed.

32 beers, and probably half as many cocktails (don't track those) though. I also try to run more miles than beers drank.

Fman99
Mar 01 2012 10:16 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Ran 66.8 miles in February, though 25 of them were over the one half marathon and one long run before my taper. I will admit to feeling a bit fatigued by running in general this month, I attribute it to the return of colder weather. I am awaiting spring, eagerly.

A Boy Named Seo
Mar 02 2012 08:24 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

If I had 166MB free on my crappy old 8GB iPhone 3GS, I would buy this. It looks really fun.

https://www.zombiesrungame.com/

themetfairy
Mar 02 2012 08:55 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I just ran 10 miles.

The last time I ran this distance was during the Broad Street Run last May, and it was not one of my better runs. So I had been angsting about my training for the Country Music Half, and not wanting to do the long runs. But I finally decided to do it today. It was a slow and steady pace, but I got through it feeling pretty good :)

Fman99
Mar 02 2012 10:29 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Good for you MF!

I injured myself last fall after my first half marathon by running too much, too soon after the race and not properly resting myself. I resisted the urge to do that despite really nice weather on Monday and Tuesday, as I was experiencing some pain in my peroneal tendon area on my right foot. And it's good that I waited, and rested, as I took three full days off and ran Wednesday afternoon without pain in my foot.

So I'm encouraged by my improved bounce back. If I'm going to run 11 more half marathons this year I need to be able to recover quickly from them, especially in the August-October months where I will likely run 8 or so of them in a 10-12 week stretch.

metsmarathon
Mar 02 2012 10:42 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

are you planning on getting any runs in that are longer than 13 miles before you hit that stretch?

i would recommend it.

off hte top of my head, i would suggest that you might want to build up to do a pair of 16 milers a few weeks before you start to hit the thick of your half marathons, that way the halfs won't be pushing distance on you. you'll have a good base built up so that the first halfs won't kill you, and you'll be better ableto roll through the rest of them, likely picking up prs all along hte way (depending on the course and the weather of course).

Fman99
Mar 02 2012 10:59 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

metsmarathon wrote:
are you planning on getting any runs in that are longer than 13 miles before you hit that stretch?

i would recommend it.

off hte top of my head, i would suggest that you might want to build up to do a pair of 16 milers a few weeks before you start to hit the thick of your half marathons, that way the halfs won't be pushing distance on you. you'll have a good base built up so that the first halfs won't kill you, and you'll be better ableto roll through the rest of them, likely picking up prs all along hte way (depending on the course and the weather of course).


I hadn't, but the reasoning is sound. Thanks coach.

themetfairy
Mar 06 2012 03:13 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Back in November I ordered this shirt from NYRR (it's the one on my avatar photo). I ordered it in orange and in white - the orange came right away, but the white was on backorder.

The whites apparently aren't going to be manufactured, so NYRR decided to complete my order by substituting another orange one. Ugh.

If any of you know someone who would like this shirt (it's a women's small), let me know. The price is negotiable, and I'd rather sell it to a friend than deal with trying to return it to NYRR and have them fuck it up....

Ceetar
Mar 06 2012 05:25 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

while watching an episode of chopped, managed 4 miles in 48 minutes. definitely a crest for me lately while I'm at what appears to be a recent valley in weight. (I'm sure they're related) Hoping to use it to propel me forward and build up some momentum in the weight loss dept.

themetfairy
Mar 06 2012 05:27 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Ceetar wrote:
while watching an episode of chopped, managed 4 miles in 48 minutes. definitely a crest for me lately while I'm at what appears to be a recent valley in weight. (I'm sure they're related) Hoping to use it to propel me forward and build up some momentum in the weight loss dept.


The two can definitely complement each other if you're eating right - best of luck!

Ceetar
Mar 06 2012 05:46 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
while watching an episode of chopped, managed 4 miles in 48 minutes. definitely a crest for me lately while I'm at what appears to be a recent valley in weight. (I'm sure they're related) Hoping to use it to propel me forward and build up some momentum in the weight loss dept.


The two can definitely complement each other if you're eating right - best of luck!


Mostly eating right. Always seems like the one or two bad days seem to neutralize the good ones.

themetfairy
Mar 06 2012 07:07 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Ceetar wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
while watching an episode of chopped, managed 4 miles in 48 minutes. definitely a crest for me lately while I'm at what appears to be a recent valley in weight. (I'm sure they're related) Hoping to use it to propel me forward and build up some momentum in the weight loss dept.


The two can definitely complement each other if you're eating right - best of luck!


Mostly eating right. Always seems like the one or two bad days seem to neutralize the good ones.


It's so hard to lose, and it's so easy to gain....

Fman99
Mar 09 2012 08:42 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

See what you all missed out on?

[youtube:1hgmglk0]ykgZINX7504[/youtube:1hgmglk0]

Fman99
Mar 10 2012 01:45 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Today marked the unofficial start of the spring race season with the 7th Annual Tipp Hill Shamrock Run. It's a really hilly four mile course through a predominantly Irish neighborhood in the city.

I ran it last year in 32:47, having never run the course before and not knowing where to go harder, where the biggest hills were, or any of that. A year later, and a few practice runs in the neighborhood, and I improved my time to 31:26. Good for 439th overall out of 3500+ runners and a 32 second PR for me at this distance. And I feel great. I'm 39 and in the best shape of my life.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 10 2012 01:53 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I got back on the road myself today first the 1st time in almost 3 weeks due to persistent sinus cold. Took it easy but it was a very nice day to run, cool but sunny, not too windy. Legs were fresh and lungs held together for 7 miles.

themetfairy
Mar 10 2012 04:30 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I find that the endurance is more about the lungs than the legs.

WTG Lunchie!

themetfairy
Mar 10 2012 07:17 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:
mm - May I ask you a favor? At your convenience, would you please give me an idea of the grades of the hills on this course?

Many thanks in advance!


mm - would you have a chance to look at this soon? I'm T-minus 7 weeks from Nashville, and a little concerned about the elevation. Everyone tells me that Nashville is hilly, and I'm wondering how it compares to Bermuda.

Thanks!

metsmarathon
Mar 10 2012 09:18 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 10 2012 09:53 PM

sorry. (FYI, teh below analysis is for an old map. see two posts hence!)

so, i'm looking at mapmyrun.com. i hate them and will only use them reluctantly for these type purposes, as they're kindof the best site for this shit... (i'm sure i've discussed why i hate them in the past. to recap, no promised return of gear tracker. senseless! jerks! anyways...)

the first 1.3 miles should take you from an elevation of 536' down to 500' on a straight run. it's pretty even, and the steepest it'll get is -1% from 0.3 -0.7 miles. the course turns right, and starts to climb. this is the bigger of two hills. it will take you from 500' up to 620' over the next 2.2 miles. that's an average incline of 1%. the steepest part of it is a 0.8 mile stretch of 1.7% incline. then you have a gradual 2.2 mile downhill that drops you 80' for a -0.7% incline on the out-and-back section. you follow that with a 80' climb over 1.3 miles, good for a 1.1% incline. down you go again for 3.4 miles, dropping 200' at a fairly constant -1.1% grade, then you have 0.6 miles of relative flatness. the last hill is tough for me to gauge. it has you climb a bridge which appears to be even with the levee. that climb appears to be 50' over a mile, continuing the string of 1% inclines. it appears that the bridge is fairly level with the top of the levee, and then goes downhill on teh other side. there, you appear to have a 0.2 mile of a fairly steep 3% grade before you turn towards the stadium and the finish. the final half mile is flat.

so... it really all depends on what your definition of hilly is. it has three inclines, and a total of about 270' of elevation gain (though the entire course is a net downhill).

the most i would tend to say about the hills is that a 1% grade is more of a sneaky hill than anything. i just spent entirely too long trying to find something comparable to that in my typical running. i generally am either running flat, or going up 2-4% grades. having found my analogue, i can say that if you're already tired, or if you only run on dead-flat earth, you'll probably notice the hill. if not, you may never fully appreciate that it's there. honestly, i think my typical 400-repeat course has a 1% grade over hte first half of it... it's flat enough for me. all the hills i could think of as sneaky, typically came in at closer to 2%.

a common experience, the stretch of 5th avenue in the NYC marathon that sneakily lays waste to you between 120th & 90th, comes in at about 2% incline.

compared to a romp around central park, the hills in nashville are nothing. compared to a scamper about bermuda, they'd likely be negligible. it's more like the brooklyn leg of the NYC. yeah, there are hills there, but you might not notice them if you're not paying attention. they may affect you, but only in hindsight.

oe: having typed all that, i worry a little that i might have downplayed them too much. but i really don't think so. it remains possible that i have missed a briefly steeper incline, but i'm not sure. i would suggest that you take the first 4 miles relatively easy, as that's the long climb, and save a little for the last bridge.

themetfairy
Mar 10 2012 09:49 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Thank you mm - I truly appreciate your analysis. It's reassuring - if I've handled Bermuda and Central Park, I should be able to handle this.

Everyone talks about the rolling hills in Nashville, but this is the first time I have some context for them.

metsmarathon
Mar 10 2012 09:51 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

oh, fucking hell. i just realized i was looking at an old map. much of it is still accurate, but the first downhill is longer, and the first uphill is longer. linky

so, ignore some of the above... ugh!

0-0.4 flat
0.4 - 2.2 slightly rolling downhill 70' -0.7%
2.2 - 5.0 consistent uphill 155' +1% (3.6 - 4.4 somewhat steeper 70' 1.7%)
5.0 - 6.6 downhill flattens as you go 60' -0.7% (5.0 - 5.5 down 30', 1.1%)
6.6 - 7.8 consistent uphill 45' +0.7%
7.8 - 11.2 fairly consistent downhill 180' -1.0%
11.2 - 11.6 flat
11.6 - 12.6 up the levee to the bridge, may be somewhat steeper/taller 45' +.9%
12.6-12.9 flat
12.9-13.0 steep downhill 20' -4%
13.0 - 13.1 flat, finish

so everything i said about the hills not being scary stands. the big climb is longer but no steeper. teh second hill got a little smaller, and the finish is sooner off the bridge. you come off the bridge, down that 4% drop, make a right, and you're there. if you do it right, that finish'll be awesome. if not, pounding down off the bridge will kill your quads and keep you from a strong finish surge. but that's really the only sticky wicket.

themetfairy
Mar 10 2012 09:56 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Again, thank you so much. I truly appreciate this.

It's reassuring. Now I know that if I train on the treadmill for 4% climbs I should be in reasonably good shape for anything this course will throw at me.

Fman99
Mar 12 2012 06:52 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Ran 9.5 today, so much easier to motivate for a long run when it's 60+ degrees outside. Ran a stead 8:20-8:25 pace for the duration and feeling good.

metsmarathon
Mar 12 2012 08:59 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

i kicked off my half marathon training plan today. with a rest day. woohoo!

tomorrow, i have 5x800s at a 10k pace, which i don't really have a good gauge for.

the half i'm training for isn't really a half at all. i mean, there's a half marathon that i would train for, but i'm busy that morning. gonna be a godparent. takes precedence. happily, the day prior is one of my favorite runs, a local 8-miler around my lake that i'll want to make a good showing at. so training as if i were to run a half should give me plenty of head-space on the distance, while also providing an opportunity to build back my speed.

i'll be following a plan i saw a while back in runners world, from ryan hall. i've been wanting to give it a go for a while. now's my chance. after 10 weeks and my race, i plan on repeating it to prepare for the river to sea relay in early august where i'll be running about 13-15 miles or so. then i hope to be in good enough shape that i can happily sign up for a fall marathon with a PR in my sights. i'll probably cast my lot in new york, and look around for a backup. if i get into new york, awesome. if not, i'll probably have an easier time setting that PR!

themetfairy
Mar 17 2012 09:49 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I've been running slow but steady for the past few months. Nothing awful, but nothing that felt great either. I had just kind of figured that my age was catching up with me and that any modicum of speed I had built up had gone out the window.

But I've had some pretty strong runs over the last few weeks. Maybe my half marathon training is actually doing what it's supposed to be doing, or perhaps my body is just responding to the gorgeous weather we've been having (or maybe it's some combination of the two).

metsmarathon
Mar 17 2012 11:48 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

yeah, so no sooner than i post that i was starting my half marathon training, do i aggravate my calf again. sigh.

it's certainly the slightest of my prior aggravations, so it's progress of a sort. and i've been able to run on it twice, albeit at an 8:45ish pace with a shortened stride and limited push-off. so i'm thinking that maybe i can just run through it, provided i do so at a slower pace, and for relatively easier runs taht attempt to avoid too many hills, and see if i can at least maintain something of a base, while working out the kinks in the fucking thing.

the kicker was, on tuesday, i had a decent 800 workout. and on the cooldown it barked at me. the cooldown! fucking thing.

themetfairy
Mar 17 2012 02:08 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I'd still kill for your "slow" times....

Feel better mm!

Fman99
Mar 17 2012 07:13 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Ran seven this morning at a comfortable 8:20 per mile pace. I feel like a million god damn dollars out there.

themetfairy
Apr 01 2012 01:59 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Friday I ran a 10K training run - slow but steady, and felt good. The previous Friday I ran my second 10-mile training run, so I've begun something of an extended taper leading up to the Country Music Half Marathon at the end of this month.

Yesterday I ran a 5K race in the rain. There were some serious inclines, so I felt that it was good training for Nashville.

Today I ran another local 5K. I wasn't expecting much from myself in light of the last couple of days, but I surprised myself. I don't have the official results, but according to my Nike+ watch I had a 10:43/mile pace - slow as shit, I know, but really good for me.

At T-minus 27 days, I'm feeling pretty good about getting through the half :)

Fman99
Apr 01 2012 02:26 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Half marathon #2 of 2012 is in the books, ran a 1:48:21 and finished 216th out of 600+ runners. Feel great, a few aches here and there but nothing that will keep me off the road this week.

Sweet finisher's medal, too.

Ceetar
Apr 01 2012 02:30 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

skunk cabbage? interesting.

themetfairy
Apr 01 2012 02:38 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Sweet bling!

Fman99
Apr 01 2012 02:40 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Ceetar wrote:
skunk cabbage? interesting.


Historical perspective found here. I did not see/smell/notice any skunk cabbage on my run.

TransMonk
Apr 02 2012 07:52 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Only put on 29.2 miles in March. Was hoping for more, but had an unexpected (but welcome) move of apartments at the end of the month.

I did get 119 miles on the bike, though. I'm planning 15 mile running weeks from now until November.

metsmarathon
Apr 02 2012 08:23 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

dang.

i only got 84 miles this month, though i was on pace for over 100 early on. i had my aforementioned calf tweaking, which didn't cut into my mileage too much and was starting to feel better, and then last sunday managed to piss of the other calf during an otherwise altogether shitty run. i had hoped for 9 miles, but had to make a pit stop after 4. i think i cooled down so much during hte pit stop that when i started up again, my calf wasn't ready for it. haven't run in a week. tried on thursday, but got about a quarter mile before i decided to shut it down again. i'm been wearing compression sleeves on my calfs since, and i think it's helping. might try to go out tomorrow or wednesday, whichever day i don't have an impromptu softball practice session.

sigh.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 02 2012 08:29 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Pathetic, just 37 miles in March. Missed the beginning of the month struggling with illness and skipped the end to write this paper/draft a fantasy team/etc etc etc.

Crazy shit is I'm still sick, all fucked up. Starting up again soon I hope.

My Fiesta 5K team (May 5 in Baltimore) still needs participants and $$. Tell your running friends in Charm City to sign on with Jen's Journeymen.

[url]http://support.alscenter.org/site/TR?fr_id=1100&pg=entry

Ceetar
Apr 02 2012 08:30 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I did 26.5 (although I'm 99% sure I went to the gym this Tuesday and apparently didn't record what I did. so probably closer to 29.) I sorta tweaked my calf a little bit at one point though, and I've been really lazy/bad the last week or so so in a way i'm sorta proud of myself. I also did a decent amount of weights in March, so I'm hoping this is a good way to start April from a weight loss standpoint.

And on this note, I'm gonna set myself a goal with the purpose of trying to keep myself motivated. I want 39 miles in April with a goal weight of 249 at the end of the month. 39 miles is ~7000 calories. If I can pair that with ~7000 calories in weight training and food reduction, 4 pounds seems a nice moderate attainable goal.

Fman99
Apr 02 2012 10:56 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

81.4 miles in March, second time already in 2012 that I've had a 80+ mile month after doing that just once all of last year. Feeling sore today but no worse for wear, will wait until Wednesday to run again most likely.

The Second Spitter
Apr 03 2012 01:24 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Not being able to run sucks cock.

TransMonk
Apr 03 2012 10:51 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Calling all runners! I understand that you may not be a doctor, but...

I've gone on about a dozen runs over the past two months and I'm finding that I have increasing pain in the back of my right inner thigh AFTER each run (during the run, I'm fine). I have self-diagnosed that I most likely have a pulled adductor (or groin). The pain has been getting increasingly worse after each run, and while I haven't iced, compressed or elevated, I did put 10 days of rest (non-running, anyways) in before my 5 miles this morning, but now my leg is howling each time I take a step on it.

Is there something that I am doing to aggravate this injury while I am running? I believe I am using the same stride I used all of last year without the pain. I did get new shoes before I started running this year, but they are the same brand and model I have always used (Brooks GTS 12), the only differences are the updates they do for the new year. Could the shoes be the cause?

Also, should I stick to RICE and stretching and give it some more rest? My instincts tell me to play through the pain...but I fear it may get worse. I've heard that one can tape the area...does anyone have any experience/recommendations for taping?

Thanks all!

themetfairy
Apr 03 2012 11:15 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I'd recommend seeing a doctor. I'm not sure what you've got, but I wouldn't be messing around with that kind of persistent pain.

Feel better!

metsmarathon
Apr 03 2012 11:28 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

interesting. could it have been triggered by some non-running activity or change, and running as you normally would has aggravated it? could be some sort of tendon/ligament inflammation or just a persistently sore/tight muscle. or a nerve. you don't recall anything pulling or popping that started it all do you?

prolly a good idea to go see a doctor.

how does it respond to anti-inflammatories? other activities?

TransMonk
Apr 03 2012 12:18 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Nope, seems to be just from the running. Biking and normal walking around is fine. I've been playing softball and moved apartments this past weekend and it didn't give me any trouble. The only thing I can isolate is the shoes...but it's hard to say. I still have an older pair that didn't give me trouble, perhaps I'll give those a try.

The pain tends to go away about 5 or 6 hours after my run on it's own and stays away until after my next run. The area is not sensitive to the touch.

True, probably best to see a doctor...but I hate to go in for something so small. We'll see how it goes this week, but I'm not going to push too hard.

themetfairy
Apr 03 2012 12:21 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Better to go while it's something small than to let it become something major.

Fman99
Apr 03 2012 03:46 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Bummer, feel better injured CPF runners TM and SS.

themetfairy
Apr 08 2012 09:34 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I still love my Nike+ GPS watch. The only downside is that occasionally it takes a while to link to the satellites, but other than that it hasn't given me a moment of grief (unlike my old Garmins, which gave me constant grief - I will never give that company another dime!).

Ceetar
Apr 09 2012 02:12 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:
I still love my Nike+ GPS watch. The only downside is that occasionally it takes a while to link to the satellites, but other than that it hasn't given me a moment of grief (unlike my old Garmins, which gave me constant grief - I will never give that company another dime!).


I'm did a couple of short/outside runs recently as a compromise between the gym and having stuff to do. Last couple of times my phone wouldn't catch the damn satellite either. I'm blaming solar flares or something. come to think of it, I've been having trouble with the GPS/navigation lately too.

themetfairy
Apr 09 2012 02:35 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

It takes longer to link to the satellites during sunny days than cloudy ones, for reasons that I can't comprehend.

Ceetar
Apr 10 2012 02:43 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Tmrw at 1: @SamuelAdamsBeer co-founder Jim Koch talks about their new "26.2 Brew" made for the Marathon

The Second Spitter
Apr 11 2012 09:21 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:
I still love my Nike+ GPS watch. The only downside is that occasionally it takes a while to link to the satellites, but other than that it hasn't given me a moment of grief (unlike my old Garmins, which gave me constant grief - I will never give that company another dime!).


That's not really a fair comparison. You're comparing the current generation Nike/TomTom watch with a Garmin model that has been superseded 2.5 times. The Nike watch is featureless compared to the Garmin models, has a ridiculously short battery life in comparison and uses counter-intuitive software.

This aside, my advice to Ceetar is forget about all about a GPS watch and focus on running on treadmills, because as a heavier runner you're gonna murder your knees running on less giving surfaces in an extremely short space of time. I would start running outdoors only when you get below 95kg at the absolute maximum, better if you're below 90.

themetfairy
Apr 12 2012 05:15 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Well, I bought my Garmin in December 2009, so it's not exactly ancient.

And the horrible customer service and Garmin's refusal to make a customer whole after selling what they knew to be a substandard product hasn't changed.

I have no trust in Garmin as a company, and would not be comfortable making any kind of substantial purchase from them at any time in the future.

The Nike+ may not be the perfect device, but it consistently works for me, which is all I want out of it.

And D-Dad would agree about treadmills. He's not heavy, but he has knee issues, and he's adamant that the treadmill is easier on his knees.

Ceetar
Apr 12 2012 07:03 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

The Second Spitter wrote:


This aside, my advice to Ceetar is forget about all about a GPS watch and focus on running on treadmills, because as a heavier runner you're gonna murder your knees running on less giving surfaces in an extremely short space of time. I would start running outdoors only when you get below 95kg at the absolute maximum, better if you're below 90.



Yeah.. One day..

I don't do it often, mainly because it hurts. (more my shins than my knees, except the time I tripped) But It does make a good compromise when I just want to get a quick spurt of exercise in but don't want to go to the gym. I figure once in a while might help strengthen some of the muscles a little more.

I've been hovering around the same weight for a while now, willpower type issues. I do feel like even if I drop 10 pounds to 240 (so like 105kgs? silly metric system) with my muscles used to the 252 pounding maybe it won't hurt quite as much.

I had a Garmin GPS before I got my phone. Never tried to use the customer service, but I was pretty happy with the unit itself. But I was using it for navigating streets, which is a little different too.

The Second Spitter
Apr 12 2012 07:29 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:
Well, I bought my Garmin in December 2009, so it's not exactly ancient.

And the horrible customer service and Garmin's refusal to make a customer whole after selling what they knew to be a substandard product hasn't changed.


I understand this. I just thought it would be a more accurate representation to compare like with like. From memory you had a Forerunner 210. The present generation is the 600 series (they skipped over 500 series for some reason). Admittedly the earlier models were problematic but the improvements over that time have been significant. Most runners favor the current Garmin over the Nike watch http://www.dailymile.com/forums/competi ... portswatch

TransMonk
Apr 12 2012 07:42 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 12 2012 07:43 AM

I've got a Garmin watch that I'm very happy with. But, I've never needed to deal with their CS, so obviously, YMMV.

When running outside, I mostly stick to asphalt bike/running trails that we have in the city. If I'm running through neighborhoods along the way, I'll run in the street (facing traffic, which is light-to-non-existent) as opposed to ruining my knees on the concrete sidewalks.

Injury update: Rather than visit my doctor as advised by more than one person on this board, I continued with my running schedule hoping that the pain was just rust that would go away...and maybe that was the ticket. I've gone on three more 5 mile runs and my groin has felt increasingly better after each one. Of course, I'm spending much more time stretching that area both before and after, but overall, it is getting better. The pain is still there after my run this morning, but it is slight and is no longer effecting any movement. I'm hoping within a couple more weeks it will be gone completely. If it isn't, I will shut it down and visit a doc.

themetfairy
Apr 12 2012 07:42 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

It was this one. I'm at work now, so I can't remember the model number -



Whatever model, it was a crappy piece of equipment for the money, and Garmin's failure to stand behind their crappy product soured me on them permanently. I put them up there with Comcast on the Things I Hate list (which is a pretty short list - I don't throw the word hate around lightly).

themetfairy
Apr 12 2012 07:43 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

TM - I'm glad to hear that you're doing better :)

The Second Spitter
Apr 12 2012 07:45 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 12 2012 07:49 AM

Ceetar wrote:

I don't do it often, mainly because it hurts. (more my shins than my knees, except the time I tripped) But It does make a good compromise when I just want to get a quick spurt of exercise in but don't want to go to the gym. I figure once in a while might help strengthen some of the muscles a little more.


You should be focusing on interval training. Do high intensity running for 5 minutes and low intensity for 5 minutes. Repeat for as long as you can go. Conventional wisdom says people don't start burning fat until after 40 minutes of constant exercise, but it's much shorter if you are training at intervals. It's also better if you run on an empty stomach first thing in the morning (just have a black coffee with no sugar to get you going).

There's a very good documentary called "The Truth About Exercise" (available on your local Torrent network!) which I highly recommend. It basically tells you how to train for weight management as opposed to performance.

The other alternative is to take up cycling. It's far less punishing on the body (provided you don't fall) which allows you to train on consecutive days at higher intensity.

Ceetar wrote:

I do feel like even if I drop 10 pounds to 240 (so like 105kgs? silly metric system) with my muscles used to the 252 pounding maybe it won't hurt quite as much.


You're still young. My point is if you continue running on hard surfaces at your weight you're gonna have shittier knees than Carlos Beltran before you're 40.

TransMonk
Apr 12 2012 07:48 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

The Second Spitter wrote:
The other alternative is to take up cycling. It's far less punishing on the body (provided you don't fall) which allows you to train on consecutive days at higher intensity.

This...it can also be so enjoyable that you don't even realize your exercising.

The Second Spitter
Apr 12 2012 07:55 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

TransMonk wrote:
The Second Spitter wrote:
The other alternative is to take up cycling. It's far less punishing on the body (provided you don't fall) which allows you to train on consecutive days at higher intensity.

This...it can also be so enjoyable that you don't even realize your exercising.


Also, 1 hour of cycling at moderate pace of 26-29km/h (~16-18mi/h) burns more calories than a 1 hour 10k run.

Ceetar
Apr 12 2012 08:03 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

TransMonk wrote:
The Second Spitter wrote:
The other alternative is to take up cycling. It's far less punishing on the body (provided you don't fall) which allows you to train on consecutive days at higher intensity.

This...it can also be so enjoyable that you don't even realize your exercising.


Buying a bike is actually on the list of things to do. I (well, we) was waiting for spring, and basically forgot. We don't have anywhere to keep a bike that's not outside, so we didn't want to buy in winter. I figure I'd take a bike out a lot more often because it's more fun and even if it's not as intense, that'd be good.

There are so many conflicting reports about the 'best' ways to train. There's something on one of the boards at the gym saying pure cardio isn't going to get it done. (I do usually do 40-50 minutes) Mine is probably more 'interval' anyway since I've never really gotten comfortable with a slow plodding pace so I run/walk/run anyway and try to push myself enough that I'm not falling into a rhythm.

Otherwise I try to stick to weight loss 'technique' that makes sense. It's all an energy exchange anyway, so Calories In < Calories Out.

My problems aren't with technique though. They're mental/willpower ones involving quantity of food and frequency of workouts.


Also, 1 hour of cycling at moderate pace of 26-29km/h (~16-18mi/h) burns more calories than a 1 hour 10k run.


Pretty sure those are both above my ability right now. If I'm feeling perfect and energetic, 5 miles would probably be my absolute max in an hour. The treadmill tends to estimate about 190ish calories a mile for me.

m.e.t.b.o.t.
Apr 12 2012 08:11 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

m.e.t.b.o.t. prefers not to be placed on treadmills. while m.e.t.b.o.t. is capable of self-locomotion, m.e.t.b.o.t. is unable to maintain a sufficiently high velocity to prevent being thrown off the rear end of a treadmill belt, even at the lowest speed setting. m.e.t.b.o.t. also finds that, being so small, the treadmill controls are always out of reach.

metsmarathon
Apr 12 2012 08:16 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

i always feel like my knees get more beat up on treadmills than when i run on roads. could be all in my head, though, as i hate treadmills. or, quite possibly, my form falters when i'm on those things.

themetfairy
Apr 12 2012 08:23 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I hate treadmill running, but D-Dad feels strongly that it's less punishing than street running.

The Second Spitter
Apr 12 2012 08:24 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

metsmarathon wrote:
i always feel like my knees get more beat up on treadmills than when i run on roads. could be all in my head, though, as i hate treadmills. or, quite possibly, my form falters when i'm on those things.


There's a million reasons I hate treadmills. I can't mentally relax/disassociate during my run. They give you a false sense of running fast. I sweat a lot and tend to be noisy during my runs, which isn't a good look.

However, in Ceetar's case I figured they may be more beneficial.

Ceetar
Apr 12 2012 08:35 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I guess I don't relax/dissociate running, but maybe because I basically struggle to do it.

my results are much better when the threadmill has a captivating movie on. Watched the second half of some runaway train movie a couple of weeks ago and ended up running an extra 20 minutes to see how it ended.

themetfairy
Apr 12 2012 08:41 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Ceetar wrote:
I guess I don't relax/dissociate running, but maybe because I basically struggle to do it.

my results are much better when the threadmill has a captivating movie on. Watched the second half of some runaway train movie a couple of weeks ago and ended up running an extra 20 minutes to see how it ended.


For me it's music videos that get me through treadmill runs. It's how I became attached to Katy Perry - she gets me running faster.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 12 2012 08:47 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I recommend the more manic selections of Lindsay Buckingham. Adds 2 mph to whatever pace you're at.

The Second Spitter
Apr 12 2012 08:56 AM
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25 Greatest "Power Songs" of All-Time

metsmarathon
Apr 12 2012 11:40 AM
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The Second Spitter wrote:
I can't mentally relax/disassociate during my run.


this is my biggest problem with treadmills. well, this and the lack of air flow and the resultant overheating i experience, (and fans don't help nearly enough).

when i'm in a gym or at home, i become hyper-aware of the noises around me, and how they never ever change, and it starts to bring on a feeling of claustrophibia, or boredom, or both. time slows. clocks move backwards. my running sucks. and not being able to change my focus point heightens this. hanging a tv screen inches from my face is no help as eyestrain makes time slow even more. hanging a tv screen a few feet from me, high up by the ceiling is also no help, and may eventually lead to me falling off the treadmill.

when i'm outside running, unless i'm doing a focused workout, i like to let my mind shut down, or at least wander. i cannot do that in a gym. cannot.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 12 2012 11:50 AM
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Almost impossible for me to stay on a treadmill more than 30 minutes, but easy to surpass that time outside. I do find the surface more forgiving and faster than the great outdoors, so when I do run on one, as I did last night (I feared rain) I try to think of it as "speed work" and push more than I would normally outside.

Ceetar
Apr 12 2012 11:52 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:

when i'm outside running, unless i'm doing a focused workout, i like to let my mind shut down, or at least wander.


I have trouble shutting down my mind at all. And with running being boring, it tends to wander but it's never good thoughts, and half the time it's food related. I can't maintain a train of thought, so I can't mentally compose blog posts. I spend a lot of time doing the math on my rate of speed and such. "Okay, if I start running again at 18:30, and maintain 6m until 20 I should be to able to then walk again for a couple of minutes. "

Music is okay, but I don't really like music enough for that to work well. That's why the mindless focus tv, particularly action movies, works well for me. Sports seems to work too, although the gym doesn't get SNY (the bastards) and I try to be home by 7 anyway.

I kinda wish I could run on the beach. *checks house listings in Hawaii*

themetfairy
Apr 12 2012 12:10 PM
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The Second Spitter wrote:
Well, I bought my Garmin in December 2009, so it's not exactly ancient.

And the horrible customer service and Garmin's refusal to make a customer whole after selling what they knew to be a substandard product hasn't changed.


I understand this. I just thought it would be a more accurate representation to compare like with like. From memory you had a Forerunner 210. The present generation is the 600 series (they skipped over 500 series for some reason). Admittedly the earlier models were problematic but the improvements over that time have been significant. Most runners favor the current Garmin over the Nike watch http://www.dailymile.com/forums/competi ... portswatch


3D - It's a Forerunner 405. Way too recent to justify being such a total piece of crap.

One of my friends has the same watch. She has learned to time herself via the calories display, because for some reason her watch inexplicably turns to that display mid-run.

A true piece of garbage, and Garmin has no interest in standing behind its shoddy product.

No, I'm not bitter....

Fman99
Apr 12 2012 07:39 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

metsmarathon wrote:
The Second Spitter wrote:
I can't mentally relax/disassociate during my run.


this is my biggest problem with treadmills. well, this and the lack of air flow and the resultant overheating i experience, (and fans don't help nearly enough).

when i'm in a gym or at home, i become hyper-aware of the noises around me, and how they never ever change, and it starts to bring on a feeling of claustrophibia, or boredom, or both. time slows. clocks move backwards. my running sucks. and not being able to change my focus point heightens this. hanging a tv screen inches from my face is no help as eyestrain makes time slow even more. hanging a tv screen a few feet from me, high up by the ceiling is also no help, and may eventually lead to me falling off the treadmill.

when i'm outside running, unless i'm doing a focused workout, i like to let my mind shut down, or at least wander. i cannot do that in a gym. cannot.


I agree on all points. I loathe the treadmill.

Fman99
Apr 16 2012 07:27 PM
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My third half marathon of 2012 in the books, this one an intimate (~100 runners) affair through the winding hills and farm country of Madison County, New York, departing from the village green of Hamilton NY (home of Colgate University) this past Sunday. I labored through this one to finish in 1:51:54, a full 3+ minutes off of my pace from two weeks ago.

I felt heavy legged from about mile 10 or so to the finish, and it was hard for me to suck down enough air that didn't smell of cowshit. Had fun nonetheless. Nine more half marathons to go for the year.

Mets – Willets Point
Apr 16 2012 07:34 PM
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I saw some people running today.

metsmarathon
Apr 16 2012 08:22 PM
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i'm glad i only did 4 miles today. sheesh! hot!

themetfairy
Apr 16 2012 08:36 PM
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This morning I ran my fastest 5K since last August, when I started tracking my runs with my Nike+ watch. Additionally, each of my miles was faster than my previous fastest mile.

I'm still slow as shit compared to most of you, but for me it was a great run :)

themetfairy
Apr 18 2012 08:19 AM
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There's a half marathon at Freakin' Rutgers on Sunday, and I'll be running the related 8K (because I'll have the Country Music Half Marathon six days later. And unlike Fman, I'm too wimpy to do multiple halfs in quick succession). I just found out my bib number - 43.

I'll be R.A. Dickey for the day :)

Nymr83
Apr 18 2012 08:23 AM
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Mets – Willets Point wrote:
I saw some people running today.


Were they chasing an ice cream truck?

TransMonk
Apr 18 2012 10:08 AM
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Groin pain back with a vengence this morning. Had to cut my 8K short.

I'm officially on the 15 DL for some RICE. Sucks.

themetfairy
Apr 18 2012 10:11 AM
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Feel better TM!

themetfairy
Apr 23 2012 08:16 AM
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Yesterday was the Unite Half Marathon at Freakin' Rutgers, and along with it a related 8K. The half marathon started at 8:00, and the 8K about 10 minutes later. Obviously the 8K was a shorter course, but both races shared the finish line.

I finished in a chip time of 55:28:24, which is admittedly slow for most of you guys but was well below my personal goal of finishing in less than an hour. My other personal goal was not to be looped by too many of the frontrunners in Buccleuch Park, which was towards the end of the race. Not only did I not get looped in the park, but I was only passed by the half marathon winner, and that was within spitting distance of the finish line!

So now I'm waiting for pictures from the race to come out to see whether I'm in the background when he broke the tape :)

TransMonk
Apr 23 2012 08:25 AM
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Great work, TMF!

themetfairy
Apr 23 2012 08:29 AM
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Thanks TM :)

metsmarathon
Apr 23 2012 09:56 AM
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that's pretty cool. it'd be awesome if you were in the photo.

i had a 5k this weekend, which i only late last week decided that my calf was healthy enough for me to consider running. it's a local race, and therefore one of my favorites. it has a downhill first mile and a quarter, an uphil last mile and a quarter, and in the middle is flat. the last mile had me a little worred, because, well, running uphill engages the calf. but my running had been good this week, so i decided to give it a shot. i figured i'd probably go a shade below 25 minutes, and be happy with my time.

i positioned myself well back on the starting line. maybe about ten deep or so. far enough back, and on the outside of the first turn, that i wouldn't be tempted to blast off, but not too far back that i'd be caught behind any lollygaggers. it was a mixed field in that there was a concurrent 10k - they peel off for an out-and-back excursion after about a mile and a half.

the race started, and i was much less tense than i typically would be. i wasn't really racing after all. just going for a nice sub-25. well, after about 100 yards, we make a turn, and then go downhill. i took the turn wide, and let the downhill carry me, without contributing too much extra effort - i've hurt my calf going downhill before, so i didn't want to engage in too much bounding.

i get to where i think my half mile is, check my watch, and decide i must've had it wrong. 3 minutes or some such. i was only guesstimating the distance afterall. the hill flattens some, turns left, and the downhill continues. way down by the overpass is the first mile. i think to myself that i could open it up and make some hay here, but decide against it. gotta baby the calf. plus, i knew that i didn't have the endurance for a full-on push. i'd burn out before hte halfway point. i get to the mile. 6:30. really? that can't be right? is this thing in the right place? oh well. whatever.

i start to feel sluggish on the flat. glad i didn't push faster. i know that in a half mile, right before hte big hill starts, there's a water stop, so i keep on truckin', and hoping that i'm not doing anything bad form-wise, i try to stay relaxed in my running.

get to the water, and i'm feeling pretty good. one cup goes down my throat, the other over my head. i walk for hte five seconds it takes to drink the water. i consider taking my minute walk break now, but decide to push it off to the middle of the hill. i was feeling a bit competitive as another runner passed me, and also didn't want to ice myself before the incline began.

despite my familiarity with the course, i really had no idea where the mile markers were. mile #2 passed in about 7:30. despite hte fact that it's a long, annoying hill that rises about 200 feet in a mile, i didn't ifnd that the incline was taking too much out of me. i was doing a little battle with another runner - he passed me at the water stop, but i caught him at the start of hte hill. i knew i needed to have a walk break soon, but wasn't sure where to put it. i figured i'd do it at a landmark of some sort, but the first traffic light had a flat after it, so it was out. ok, i'll do the next one, by the new stop and shop. i get to it, my watch hits 18 minutes, and i'm happy.- round minutes make it easier to know when to run again.

the one guy passes me. then a guy and a girl. then three more runners. damn walk break. i look up. there's a water table ahead. sonofabitch - that's when i should've done the walk break! oh well. the minute's up, i feel good, and i continue on my way. grab one cup at the table, and most of it goes onto my head. time to start reeling people in. i get three of them before hte hill is up. the guy and hte girl seem to have put on a good kick and have passed my prior combatant. he's ahead of me still, and not really within reach. but i give it something of a shot. there's about a tenth of a mile left, and this part is downhill. i open up my stride some, and ease on down the road. there's one turn left, and after it is a sharp downhill and hte finish. there he is - can i get him? i push. no. he's too far. he'll finish 5 seconds before me. i look up. the hell! 23:00 :01 :02 no way :03 :04 was i really going that fast? :05 :06 can i get in under 10? :07 :08 :09 line :10 holy shit.

afterwards, i check the finishers list. 27th overall, 2nd in age group. no way! as recent as 2008, that would've been an excellent 5k time for me healthy. i'm really happy that all my time off and ongoing recovery-injury-recovery cycles din't take too much out of me. it's very tempting to use this as a sign that i can start pushing harder, but i've made that mistake before.

i'll spend the rest of the month, and most of may taking it easy on hills, and stopping for a walk break every 20 minutes or so depending on terrain and other factors.

but i will take this as a sign that maybe i can toss my name into the lottery for the nyc marathon. today's the last day, afterall.

metsmarathon
Apr 23 2012 10:01 AM
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i always think i'll do a quick little "i ran a race this weekend. it was fun. here was my time" race recap, and every time, i end up writing a novella.

themetfairy
Apr 23 2012 10:31 AM
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WTG mm - welcome back :)

Fman99
Apr 23 2012 07:56 PM
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I am training for my all time favorite race, the Mountain Goat Run. It's a 10 mile course, chock full of big ass hills, that tours several different neighborhoods within the city limits of Syracuse. Last year I ran it for the first time, and not having trained, or run hills, or ever having run longer than 8 miles, I labored to finish in 1:30:34, over my modest goal of finishing inside of 90 minutes.

But I am a different runner than I was a year ago. I have stretched myself out greatly, and I've run four half marathons since last fall, and now even a hilly 10 miles doesn't phase me. The local running store sponsors group training runs, they get several hundred runners each Saturday to run different portions of the full course. I've gone one step further and run the entire course twice, once this past Saturday and once two weeks prior. Both times I finished in the 1:25 neighborhood, and that's running at a practice pace and not a race pace. I also have had plenty of burst left even at the end of those 10 mile runs.

This race awards gold medals to all men who finish inside 60 minutes, silver medals for sub-70's and bronze medals for sub-80 minute finishers (the women get gold/silver/bronze for 70, 80 and 90 minute times). I think going from 90:34 to sub 80 may be a reach but it's not entirely impossible. I will be happy just to improve my time from last year, and I think a time in the low 80's is very reachable for me. The race is in 13 days.

themetfairy
Apr 23 2012 08:11 PM
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Best of luck with that Fman!

I'd be lucky to finish a course like that in under 2:30....

themetfairy
Apr 25 2012 05:26 PM
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I didn't get into the Marathon. So I'll run the Diva's Half Marathon on Long Island in October; that will be a nice way to wrap up my distance running career.

Fman99
Apr 25 2012 07:39 PM
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I ran 5.1 miles today at an 8:10 pace. A little faster than my normal weekday running but I was feeling good, plus it was cold as hell and I had to go right from the park to the day care center to pick up the kids and take Fboy to Little League practice. Having said that, I have been struggling to get out more than 2-3 times per week, due to a ridiculously busy schedule and continued apathy about the dreary cold spring we've been having up here. I could go for some more sunny 60 degree days.

themetfairy
Apr 28 2012 11:20 AM
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I ran the Country Music Half Marathon in 2:43:51. I had a good first half (10K at 1:14:31), but things got hot really fast and I wound up walking a lot in the second half. Still, this was not my slowest half marathon ever, and I'm glad that I was able to run it with my Team McGraw family.

Thanks to everyone who supported me, and special thanks to mm - your course analysis was invaluable.

Ya Gotta Believe!

TransMonk
Apr 28 2012 01:59 PM
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Way to go TMF!

We had a Crazylegs 8K in town this morning, but I'm on the mend until mid-week. I probably would have bowed out even if healthy due to the rain and the wind and the temps in the 40s.

Fman99
Apr 28 2012 09:25 PM
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I ran the Mountain Goat course, for the third time this month, all in the 80-something minute range. I feel ready for the actual race, a week from tomorrow. I've trained hard for it. In the last five weekends I've run the full ten mile course three times and two half marathons. So I'm piling up the mileage.

themetfairy
Apr 28 2012 10:03 PM
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TM - Thanks :)

Fman - WTG my friend!

themetfairy
Apr 29 2012 08:26 PM
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It was a rough race, but worth it for the sweet bling -



John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 29 2012 10:12 PM
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My running has gone to complete shit. I saw a doctor over a persistent phlemminess in the lungs, which I guess was a sinus infection (blood tests revealed no hidden allergies) and it's slowly getting under control with antibiotics. In the meantime the left achilles has gone sore again and the ankle is weird. Today I got out there for the first time in 10 days and after 3 miles developed soreness behind my right knee, a totally new kind of pain for me. I'd suspect it has something to do with compensating for a wonky achilles, but jeez my whole game has been in the toilet for two months now. 5K in Baltimore Saturday, I think I'll drive it.

themetfairy
Apr 30 2012 05:06 AM
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Not fun!

Feel better quickly Lunchie.

TransMonk
May 01 2012 07:09 AM
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I ran a very underwhelming 44 km in April after sitting out the past due weeks with a wonky groin. I'm going to test it out on Thursday to see where it's at.

My cycling was uneffected by the injury, so I did put in 283 km on the bike.

Fman99
May 01 2012 07:52 AM
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I ran 76.2 miles in April, across just ten runs (three ten milers and two half marathons included). I've been patiently waiting for better weather so that I can get more weeknight runs in, but with Fboy's Little League schedule having kicked in it will be tough to run more than twice a week on weekdays.

Upcoming races are the Mountain Goat ten miler this coming Saturday and a half marathon in Utica on May 20th. Maybe a 5k on Memorial Day weekend, if I can find one near my aunt's house in Columbia MD that weekend.

metsmarathon
May 01 2012 08:35 AM
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59 miles this month. i wasn't really sure if i expected the mileage to be higher or lower. i suppose i took a bunch of time off htis month that i'd already forgotten about.

hopefully may treats me well. i've got some challenges coming. i'm doing the tough mudder in two weeks, which involves 11 miles of running up and down beobstacled hills. i had really hoped to get more weight training and what not done in advance of this thing, but whatev's. i'm doing it with a bunch of other people, and while being in fantastic shpe would make it easier, i'm not necessarily out of shape neough that i'll be unable to heft myself over/under/through some of hte obstacles. i hope.

then a week later, i have an 8 mile run around my lake that i'd be looking forward to more if i hadn't been so injured this prior year or so, and then my annual spring lake 5 the week after.

the tough mudder will be an important milestone for me. not that i don't think i can do it, but that i think i could get hurt. i'm remarkably delicate. if i make it through without any significant sprains, dislocations, breakages, or amputations, i'll feel much more confident about the rest of the year's running adventures.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 01 2012 08:41 AM
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41 miles in April. My shit's fucked up.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 01 2012 09:20 PM
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I took extra time to stretch tonight and left the house feeling better. The back of the knee thing was stiff Sunday, a little sore Monday but barely existed today. Left the house OK, got about one mile and the back of the knee thing gripped again. Web MD thinks I may have a PCL injury, though they say that's usually a catastrophic thing and this came during rather slow jogs. I guess a strain? If you docs out there could chime in I'd appreciate it.

metsmarathon
May 02 2012 06:44 AM
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is it actually in the joint, or is it possibly the tendons coming down from the hammies?

there could be a few possible culprits - meniscus tear, hammy pull, poleteal muscle injury - as described in this thread on cool running.

this thread on runningforumsseems to have more info as well.

i'm leaning towards the popliteal injury.

my own injury history is so chock full of variation, that i can't say for sure that i've never encountered such an injury. i think i have at some point, but it was mild and went away on its own. i think for myself i had triggered something like what's described back when i was lifting more, and probably did somehting to it on a squat machine, or maybe playing basketball. i can't remember. i think it predated my running career...

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 02 2012 07:24 AM
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Thanks for the links, I'll look em up.

Kinda feels like an extremely low hammy pull. What I feel when I was running was resistance, and general soreness afterward. As I said before this is a totally new injury for me.

edit: Reading that thread I'd also guess a poplital strain or however you spell it. I have zero doubt this resulted from f-ing with my stride to accommodate my chronic wonky left ankle/foot, and accompanying achilles weakness.

Fman99
May 02 2012 06:48 PM
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All I'm saying is, if someone offers you a trip to the glue factory, don't go.

DocTee
May 02 2012 07:25 PM
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So my annual journey begins again. Work keeps me busy from September-May, then nothing for four months. So I grow lazy and lethargic over the winter.

Yesterday, I ran..today too. A bit over a mile each time, and a bit further today than yesterday. Clocked in at a leisurley 9:10 pace.

Added two minutes to my run this morning, and hope to increase by a comparable increment, being at a sub-30:00 5K by Memorial Day and a sub 60:00 10K mid-July. If history is any indicator, I should be able to do that.

At 188.8 lbs...need to move some of my beerbelly to my chest and arms, but all in all pretty comfortable with my overall health and appearance.

themetfairy
May 02 2012 07:59 PM
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Welcome back Doc!

TransMonk
May 04 2012 08:19 AM
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Did a 2.5 mile rehab run this morning. My groin's still a little tender, but better than it was before I rested.

If I feel OK, I'm boing to do another small run this weekend (with my CPFRC shirt!). If that goes well, I'll get back to my normal schedule next week.

themetfairy
May 04 2012 08:33 AM
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Definitely go with the CPFRC shirt - those things are comfy! I ran 10K in mine this morning, and loved it.

(BTW, I can still use a long-sleeved tee for when I need an extra layer starting out that I can tie around my waist when I heat up....).

Glad to have you back TM :)

metsmarathon
May 04 2012 09:28 AM
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i should be able to get that up today.

themetfairy
May 04 2012 10:18 AM
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Excellent mm - many thanks :)

Rockin' Doc
May 04 2012 08:30 PM
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I battled hamstring tightness and tenderness the past two weeks. Luckily, I was still able get 9 runs in during the month of April for a total of 55.51 miles for the month. I took a few days off to rest before starting my running for May with a 7 mile run this afternoon. I was encouraged that I encountered no tightness or stiffness in either hamstring this afternoon. I plan to test it out again tomorrow morning with another 7-8 mile run.

themetfairy
May 05 2012 08:15 AM
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I ran a local race this morning in my new CPFRC singlet. My time of 32:45 may not sound impressive, but it was my fastest 5K since I injured my glute two years ago.

So buy the shirt - it'll speed you up!

Fman99
May 06 2012 06:31 PM
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Last year's Mountain Goat 10 miler: 1:30:34. This year: 1:23:47.

themetfairy
May 06 2012 06:58 PM
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Nice work Fman!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 06 2012 07:09 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
Last year's Mountain Goat 10 miler: 1:30:34. This year: 1:23:47.


Rub it my face willya. No, that's great. I was coming here to relate I'd added more than 2 and a half minutes onto my time in last year's Fiesta 5K. On the other hand I was happy to get through it at all, seeing as a grabby right hammy had halted my last two practice runs and capped a pretty shitty stretch of running for me, which by the way I've decided is over.

So I was very conscious of taking it easy this time and did just that. I was running so easy in fact I had a lot left for the kick but dialed it back when I felt things tugging and kinda gingerly loped across the line in a stinky 25:20something. It was a very nice morning to run and I'd have liked a crack at that course in better physical and mental shape, next year I hope.

Despite my personal running struggles, I had a blast. Our team wound up with 2 age-group medal winners (2nd & 3rd place, male 40-49 -- not me, by a long shot), raised another big pile of $$ for ALS research (thanks again you guys!) and did a good amount of crab-eating, beer drinking and remembering my sister instead of sort of fearing for her life like we were last year. Wifey realized at 7 am she'd forgotten to pack her running shoes; fortunately our top finisher Jim has small feet for a guy and loaned her his trainers, and she wound up running a modest PR -- under 30 minutes for the first time in limited timed 5K's. Even my brother - who's 44 and I never before saw run more than a block in my life - ran.

Race started and finished at the open-air restaurant row known as Power Plant Live by the inner harbor in Baltimore; it being Cinco de Mayo the Mexican joint there started serving 50-cent Dos Equiis & margaritas at 10 am. It had been a while since I'd had as many 10 am beers as I did yesterday, but every last one was deeply satisfying. I know I said this before, but this is a great event, Baltimore in early May is a great weekend away, you guys should come join us next year.

themetfairy
May 06 2012 07:28 PM
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Glad to hear that you're doing better Lunchie, and that the race was such a big success!

Fman99
May 07 2012 06:26 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Last year's Mountain Goat 10 miler: 1:30:34. This year: 1:23:47.


Rub it my face willya. No, that's great. I was coming here to relate I'd added more than 2 and a half minutes onto my time in last year's Fiesta 5K. On the other hand I was happy to get through it at all, seeing as a grabby right hammy had halted my last two practice runs and capped a pretty shitty stretch of running for me, which by the way I've decided is over.

So I was very conscious of taking it easy this time and did just that. I was running so easy in fact I had a lot left for the kick but dialed it back when I felt things tugging and kinda gingerly loped across the line in a stinky 25:20something. It was a very nice morning to run and I'd have liked a crack at that course in better physical and mental shape, next year I hope.

Despite my personal running struggles, I had a blast. Our team wound up with 2 age-group medal winners (2nd & 3rd place, male 40-49 -- not me, by a long shot), raised another big pile of $$ for ALS research (thanks again you guys!) and did a good amount of crab-eating, beer drinking and remembering my sister instead of sort of fearing for her life like we were last year. Wifey realized at 7 am she'd forgotten to pack her running shoes; fortunately our top finisher Jim has small feet for a guy and loaned her his trainers, and she wound up running a modest PR -- under 30 minutes for the first time in limited timed 5K's. Even my brother - who's 44 and I never before saw run more than a block in my life - ran.

Race started and finished at the open-air restaurant row known as Power Plant Live by the inner harbor in Baltimore; it being Cinco de Mayo the Mexican joint there started serving 50-cent Dos Equiis & margaritas at 10 am. It had been a while since I'd had as many 10 am beers as I did yesterday, but every last one was deeply satisfying. I know I said this before, but this is a great event, Baltimore in early May is a great weekend away, you guys should come join us next year.


It sounds like a lot of fun. I'd love to come down and run that one with you and your family some day. Unfortunately it seems to conflict with the Mountain Goat every year, which is the biggest long distance run in Syracuse (this was the 34th annual, over 2500 finishers, etc.). Glad you were able to run it and raise some funds for ALS research.

metsmarathon
May 07 2012 06:52 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Last year's Mountain Goat 10 miler: 1:30:34. This year: 1:23:47.


Rub it my face willya. No, that's great. I was coming here to relate I'd added more than 2 and a half minutes onto my time in last year's Fiesta 5K. On the other hand I was happy to get through it at all, seeing as a grabby right hammy had halted my last two practice runs and capped a pretty shitty stretch of running for me, which by the way I've decided is over.

So I was very conscious of taking it easy this time and did just that. I was running so easy in fact I had a lot left for the kick but dialed it back when I felt things tugging and kinda gingerly loped across the line in a stinky 25:20something. It was a very nice morning to run and I'd have liked a crack at that course in better physical and mental shape, next year I hope.

Despite my personal running struggles, I had a blast. Our team wound up with 2 age-group medal winners (2nd & 3rd place, male 40-49 -- not me, by a long shot), raised another big pile of $$ for ALS research (thanks again you guys!) and did a good amount of crab-eating, beer drinking and remembering my sister instead of sort of fearing for her life like we were last year. Wifey realized at 7 am she'd forgotten to pack her running shoes; fortunately our top finisher Jim has small feet for a guy and loaned her his trainers, and she wound up running a modest PR -- under 30 minutes for the first time in limited timed 5K's. Even my brother - who's 44 and I never before saw run more than a block in my life - ran.

Race started and finished at the open-air restaurant row known as Power Plant Live by the inner harbor in Baltimore; it being Cinco de Mayo the Mexican joint there started serving 50-cent Dos Equiis & margaritas at 10 am. It had been a while since I'd had as many 10 am beers as I did yesterday, but every last one was deeply satisfying. I know I said this before, but this is a great event, Baltimore in early May is a great weekend away, you guys should come join us next year.


have you tried a compression sleeve for your thigh? i'm currently all about compression - i'm rocking compression sleeves on my calves pretty much nonstop right now, both when i run and when im not running, just to keep everything together. i think it's working noicely.

having had my own share of quad/hammy injuries, i can totally commiserate on the misery they generate.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 07 2012 08:11 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Yeah I have thought about compressing the calves. I hate to have to buy something else, but may.

Dumb question, but how often do you find yourself washing said sleeves? One thing I fear is coming to rely on something I'll need 3 pairs of.

metsmarathon
May 07 2012 08:20 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

i go far longer than i probably should. i figure they're no sintkier than my shoes if i use em for a week and rotate in another set. i probably should cut back the duration a bit, but for now, that's my plan.

i need to pick up another set actually, of sacrifical sleeves for hte mud run this weekend. if htey survive, cool. if not, oh well.

The Second Spitter
May 07 2012 08:56 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Fman99 wrote:
Last year's Mountain Goat 10 miler: 1:30:34. This year: 1:23:47.


Fuck me, that's a sensational time.


John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Yeah I have thought about compressing the calves. I hate to have to buy something else, but may.

Dumb question, but how often do you find yourself washing said sleeves? One thing I fear is coming to rely on something I'll need 3 pairs of.


The material is anti-bacterial, but I would recommended wash every second run.

Fman99
May 07 2012 09:58 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

The Second Spitter wrote:
Last year's Mountain Goat 10 miler: 1:30:34. This year: 1:23:47.


Fuck me, that's a sensational time.



Thanks, mate. I was hoping really to improve on my time from last year. This is a bitch of a course, with three serious hills. Last year, I walked up the third one. This year I passed people on that hill.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 10 2012 01:18 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Anyway, bought a pair of those calf sleeves. Tried another run that evening but hammies, calves etc all went at about 3 miles. I think if I peel back everything what I have is a sore and tired achilles tendon, same thing as a few years back, and I think I probably need another 3 or 4 weeks off.

metsmarathon
May 10 2012 01:31 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

run/walk to build back up. it seems to work for me. well, until i start to think i'm healthy enough to no longer need the walk, and then start to push myself too much in the run. then my calfs get all whiny again. but when they are whiny, and need to get back up to distance, runwalk.

time off didn't help. i'd get a mile and a half in each time, maybe two, and i'd piss the damned thing off again. but runwalk helped.

it keeps you running, and keeps you reminded of the fact that you needn't push yourself too much too soon, and the walking gives hte muscles just enough rest to keep going without crankiness.

it's basically the same thing as advocated in teh couch to 5k to go from nothingness to runningness, but you're doing it to get tired, sore, bitchy muscles up and running agian instead of getting lazy slow muscles up and running for the first time, but hte principles are the same.

it's tedious and soul-crushing at first, but i'm becoming a big proponent of it as my muscles prove more curmudgeonly with time.

after building back up from my last calf reaggravation, i just ran a good 5k with mrs.mm at work today, netting her an unofficial 5k pr of 23:10.

TransMonk
May 10 2012 02:10 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I'm going back on the DL after a horrible 5 miles this morning. The groin felt great going in, but not so good afterwards.

I leave for Italy next week, so I'm not going to run until 5/29. Then I'll plan on walking/running as mm outlined above.

themetfairy
May 10 2012 03:18 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Feel better TM!

themetfairy
May 11 2012 08:24 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I ran 10K this morning, my last long run before the Run to Home Base at Fenway next weekend.

My head really wasn't into the run this morning - I don't think I have ever felt so disconnected from a run. However, my body didn't seem to notice - 1:12:37 won't sound impressive to most of you, but this was the fastest 10K I've clocked on the Nike+ watch!

metsmarathon
May 11 2012 08:50 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

sometimes that helps. sometimes you'r so not into your run that you just run, and run well. other times you're so not into your run that you spend the entire run daydreaming and sightseeing and not really moving.

tomorrow, i expect to be doing very little daydreaming and sightseeing. rather i hope to be doing a lot of surviving, and not too much crying. tough mudder. um, whee...?

themetfairy
May 11 2012 09:17 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Have fun mm!

themetfairy
May 13 2012 07:31 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Who wants to run across an NFL field?

New York Giants Run of Champions 5K

Ceetar
May 14 2012 11:32 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:
Who wants to run across an NFL field?

New York Giants Run of Champions 5K


that does sound fun.

metsmarathon
May 14 2012 01:18 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

i'm about 98% sure i'm doing that. i just need to confer with mrs.mm first.

and in case anybody had wondered, i did survive the tough mudder. 12 miles, interspersed with 26 or so obstacles, sprinkled with fire, ice, and electricity.

ordinarily you'd probably expect me to give a running recap of hte event. i'm not sure that i can this time. it really is quite a blur. also, my typical strategy of looking at the course map to jog my memory is not applicable this time, as the course map they have is inaccurate, and depicts the pennsylvania #1 tough mudder from april, i guess, and not the pennsylvania #2 tough mudder in may, despite hte same location. i'm partly glad, because that course has a 15' rope climb, which i am certain i would be unsuccessful at.

the most noteworthy obstacles were the berlin walls - 10-12' high with a scant inch-wide foothold about 2-3' up. the first round of these wasn't so bad. the second round was a challenge, and i needed a substantial boost to get over the first of them, somewhat less of one to get over the second. granted, i had just previously had my quad cramp up on me, so i was playing it tenderly, and didn't really attack the obstacle, thereby proving hte importance of confidence and the calamity of doubt. the height wasn't the problem on these obstacles so much as the lifting oneself up from a dangling position. i suck at chinups, and these are they only tougher, and against a wall.

i also suck at the monkeybars, and have since i was little. apparently i have weak shoulders and lats. i should probably start picking things up and putting them down again. anyways, i muddled through the majority of hte monkey bars obstacle, going one bar at a time and holding no momentum. i got 3/4 of hte way across, then the guy next to me went down, and i paused. i didn't want to fall on him if i slipped. bad move. i was done. i made it one more set of bars and dropped with maybe 4 to go.

relatedly, there was an obstacle with those rings that gymnasts use, also seen in american gladiators. six rings, i think, to get across the obstacle. carrying no forward momentum with me, i grabbed hte first ring, the second ring, and hung limply. fecklessly. i made a weak grab a tthe next ring, and fell into the water. i was okay with it. i was kinda jjust glad i made it past the first one...

one of the hallmarks of hte event is the electric shock obstacles. the first, electric eel, has you carwl through muddy water, with electric wires dangling overhead, inches above the water. it'snigh impossible to avoid them. the first one caught my shoulder early on. the jolt from 10,000V was more startling than i expected, but far less painful. it really wasn't bad at all. and that was the worst i got. midway through , i got shoked on my ass a few times, but it didn't really hurt. at one point, though, i was making my way through, and got splashed in the mouth. i lost focus, and looked up to see a pair of wires, one a few inches to the left of my head, the other a at about shourlder's width. had i not stopped, i would've taken a wire to the fa c, i'm sure of it. instead i got low, scooched through, and i think only got hit on my ass again. one guy on my team claimed to get through witout a single shock. another buddy of mine calimed to feel a spark leap from his upper teeth to his lower teeth, and then had his limbs fo a flailing. o your own individual mileage might vary significanlty.

the second electrical event is a dash through a set of wires hanging overhead, same wires, same voltage, same muddy water, but this time you run through. i know i got shocked, but i'm not sure where. it really wasn't that noteworthy. what had seemed like the most ominous obstacle turned out very much not to be. not that i mind.

after the race, i got my free pint of dox xx, and tossed my muddy, battered shoes onyto a pile, to be donated to charity. they had earned their freedom, with 306 miles total of running, and a significant number of walking-about miles too.

yesterday, i was tired. today, i'm more sore. my shoulders and lats are beat, and my abs were engaged far more than i had expected them to be. i did manage a decent 3 mile run today just to loosen everything up.

i'm looking forward to trying this damned thing again, maybe next year or so. i don't want to do this too close to any planned marathon, as the chances for injury are sky-high, but it was a ton of fun. and next time, i plan on being stronger, lighter, faster, and more nimble. well, that's the plan at least.

hey, look at that. long writeup. well, it coulda been longer. i skimped on the details.

themetfairy
May 15 2012 07:56 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Man - there is no way I would consider that fun. Wow!

Ceetar
May 15 2012 08:19 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

That sounds fun to me too, although I could do 12 miles anyway.

I've never been great at the monkeybar stuff either, and i'm sure my muscles haven't kept up with my added weight. although I haven't tried. I used to occasionally do the machine at the gym that lets you offset your weight to do chinups/lat drops but i haven't seen it at the new gym.

Fman99
May 15 2012 09:06 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I have friends who have done these types of events and they swear its a great time. I have no interest in it, personally. Maybe it's just too far outside of my comfort zone.

metsmarathon
May 15 2012 09:29 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

i'll say this - it was more fun than running a marathon, and a whole different type of challenge. it took longer than some of my marathons, but seemed to go by much quicker. and whereas i am a huge proponent of training for a marathon for some 18 weeks or so after building up a suitable long distance base, i think a reasonably fit person could muddle through the mudder just fine. as i did. comparable to a marathon, it was also more dangerous, and a relatively intangible accomplishment, whereas a marathon is a defined thing, and your time a measurable result.

it definitely took some getting used the fact that as i was trotting through the woods and on trails and what not, that i wasn not necessarily intending to go around and past my fellow runners - particularly since they were mostly on my team. especially early on, i found that i had to force myself not to push the pace, or pick people off, or any of hte things i normally do, even in a long run.

there was really only one part of hte course where i felt they were trying to hurt me - one of hte first obstacles where you low crawl through mud. there were a lot of rocks in the mud, and it was really easy to bang a knee against them, or scrape your leg up. but anywhere you had to run through, there were no rocks lying in wait to bust up your ankle or leg.

that'n not to say that injury isn't possible, of course. i would never do this with a big race coming up shortly thereafter. you're still running 12 miles through the woods, through mud, through trees and rocks and branches, and if it were not a bone-dry day, injury would have been much more likely when dismounting any of the walls or other high obstacles. the chances of twisting something if it were raining are very, very high. plus, accidents can happen. the course was challenging, but largely fair. rain would surely have changed my opinion. i know this.

DocTee
May 17 2012 07:39 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Two weeks into my new regimen...went from sitting on the couch to 5K (31:00) in ten sessions.

Need to build speed obviously (ideas??), but on track for my goal of a sub 30:00 by Memorial Day.

Still struggling a bit with the motivation but I think that's coming too, slowly.

Ceetar
May 17 2012 08:04 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

DocTee wrote:
Two weeks into my new regimen...went from sitting on the couch to 5K (31:00) in ten sessions.

Need to build speed obviously (ideas??), but on track for my goal of a sub 30:00 by Memorial Day.

Still struggling a bit with the motivation but I think that's coming too, slowly.


This is why I need to lose weight, I don't get anywhere near times like that because I can't seem to sustain my pace. pushed myself to a 5K in 37:11 yesterday and had a headache all night as a result.

themetfairy
May 17 2012 08:27 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Great work Doc!

FWIW, I don't think I could do a sub 30 minute 5K, and I've been running since 1999. Then again, I'm pretty sure that my legs are much shorter than yours.

But my point is that you shouldn't worry so much about the numbers and just enjoy your progress as it comes. If you make your goal that's great, but the clock shouldn't be the be all and end all of your running. If it was, I never would have stuck with it this long.

metsmarathon
May 17 2012 08:57 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

there are many good ways to build speed. i'll work from more basic to more advanced, based on an arbitrary scale coming straight off hte top of my head. or right out of my ass. whichever.

- one, run longer distance. by increasing your fatigue limit, you will be able to then increase your intensity in a shorter distance.

- two, run tempo runs. start with an easy warmup, say 5-10 minutes. then increasing your intensity, gradually accelerating. maintain that increased intensity, starting from 10 minutes and building to 15, then 20 minutes of increased intensity. finish with an easy cooldown of 5-10 minutes. tempo runs can be as long as you want, really, depending on your race goals. i think for my marathon training i run them up to 45 minutes or longer.

- three, run fartleks. um, that's swedish for "speedplay". basically, start out with an easy warmup, and then randomly increase your intensity for a random period of time, and then decrease your intensity back down to an easy pasce, and keep repeating, varying the time/distance of hte hard & easy running bits. it's supposed to be freeform and "fun" so doing it at alternating 1 minute on 2 minutes off 1 minute on 2 minutes off isn't really fitting with the spirit of the thing. the distance for each of the on/off bits can vary wildly. i thin kthe sweetspot is somewhere between 1/10th & 1/2 mile, but i honestly can't tell ya. i sometimes go 5 driveways on, 3 driveways off in a medium density suburban environment, and if that feels to quick, i add one or two. the trick is for it to be unpredictable and random.

- four, strideouts. gradually accelerate from standing to running fast, then slow to a stop. you're not blasting out of hte box, but gradually building up a head of steam over 20-30 meters or so. repeat 5 or so times, maybe once or twice a week after an easy run. they're good for your running form, and for teaching your body how to run faster.

- five-a, interval teraining, or speedwork. warmup for 10 minutes. then run a measured quarter mile hard. walk an eighth mile, and repeat, 4-10 times, aiming to run each one as fast as the other. these can be done with longer or shorter distances as well, from 100m all the way of one or two mile repeats for intense marathon training.

-five-b - hillwork. basically, it's like interval training, but uphill. the benefit of hill work is that, not only ar eyou running hard and faster, and making it harder by running uphill, but by running uphill, you're improving your form. pick a hill that's a quarter mile long, and not too steep. run up it, walk or jog down. repeat 4-10 times. like interval training, these can be shorter and steeper, or longer and more gradual, depending on your racing/running goals.

for more information on these, check out halhigdon.com. he's got a very very useful running/training site. he's also got training plans for beginner 5ks all the way up to advanced marathons. it's my go-to for most of my running advice. also runnersworld.com

you may also increase your speed by increasing your upper body and core strength. you needn't become a power lifter, but a stronger upper body will reduce fatigue and will help you maintain proper form.

speaking of form, if you are able to improve your form, you will improve your speed. in the most general sense, reduce your extraneous motion, paarticularly any side-to-side component of your running movement. if your arms sway side to side when you run, you're wasting energy and working against your self. if you bounce too much, you're wasting energy when you run. you want, idelaly, for your every motion to be in the same vertical plane, in hte direction you are running, propelling you forward.

themetfairy
May 17 2012 08:59 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Core work improves form - once I started working on my abs I started really feeling them kick in during runs.

Fman99
May 19 2012 08:27 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Tomorrow is half marathon #4. Glad it's an early (8 AM) start as it's going to be a hot one out there. I've been hydrating like hell the last few days.

metsmarathon
May 19 2012 09:03 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

good luck tomorrow!

I had a great run today. the run around lake mohawk came back this year after a one-year hiatus (last year road paving trumped road racing, apparently). only now, instead of being slightly under 8 miles, they lengthened the course to a full loop, with coincident start and finish, to 8.2 miles (8.3 per dailymile). the nice thing is, no matter how i did, i was guaranteed to get a pr!

race time was at 8, and i clearly hadn't adequately thought out my morning. though the race start is ~3 miles from my house, we still had to get bagels and coffee. we left the house at 7:20. got our bagels, myself, mrs.mm, and minimm, and our coffee, and tried to get to the start. damn. road closed. gotta drive around. also cannot get dropped off at start. gah! drove a mile or two out of our way, parked at a school a third of a mile from the race, and i ran to teh start to get registered. on teh drive, i had had a full 3/4 of my bagel, and a few sips of coffee. hooray, preparation!

to get to the start, i cover the newly added quarter mile of course. its all uphill. a later elevation check says that in about 0.2 miles, it rises some 60 feet, and starts off with a steep bit over the walkill river, followed by a sloggish incline. i'm tired before i start. but i gt there just in time to register. i drink maybe another cup of water, max, before the start.

the race begins uphill, climbing about 100' in a half mile, and then drops down the same height in the same distance. the first mile passes in 7:45ish. the next three miles are flat to rolling. the click by in a consistent 7:17 | 7:14 | 7:13. now, i'm still dealing with my calf issues, and an uphill start is clearly not good for them. i took it relatively easy up that first hill, and ran it surprisingly fast, though the downhill did help. i also did it mostly with my quads, not my calves. after teh first mile, i allowed to pass my mind hte thought of running sub-64, though that was the only time in teh race that i actively thought about my time. in the miles two through four, i was basically just making mini races with the people around me and ahead of me - trying to maintain contact with anyone ahead of me, chewing up any gaps, and then biding my time to find an opportunity to pass them, either on a turn or an elevation change. it kept me mentally engaged, and kept me pushing the whole time.

at mile marker four, the race starts one of three short inclines of, perhaps 80, 40, and 60 feet over the next mile. i know i slowed a touch, but there was no mile five marker, so it's impossible to tell. in fact, the 4-mile was the last mile marker in the race. i assume i ran it in about 8 minutes. the next three miles, i think i ran very consistently. there was one or two runners just ahead of me. i gradually picked them off one at a time.

i did get passed by one runner around the 6 mile, and then at about a half mile to go, another runner starts to come up behind me, and he's got his jets on. i don't think he knows the race is longer this year. unfortunately, i'm starting to get gassed, and can't run with him. he blows right past me, but i do try to maintain contact. as we get to the old finish, he's a few second ahead of me. we reach the bottom of the final hill. i know i can catch him. i know he's tanked, that he just used up everything to get here. but i can't do it. i try, but my quads have nothing left. my legs are jello. i gain slightly, but the hill gets to me. my brain reminds me that the bigger battle is to not get hurt, and i ease back. at that point, it would take a monster kick to make a race of it. and there was nobody in my rearview, either. i know i slowed, or at least it felt like i slowed to a ponderous pace. the runner before me didn't gain on me, i don't believe, and i don't think the runner behind me did either. but i sure felt like i finished slowly. i also felt like i finished with nothing left, at least not in my quads.

my time, 1:03:07. 22nd place. sadly, almost a third of the runners ahead of me were also 30 year old males, as i finished 7th in my age group. at least, that's what i would have finished, had my info been logged in by compuscore. i did send them an email with my info and bib number, in case they feel like updating it.

afterwards, i got a beach ball, and played with minimm on a playground. he'd cheered for me at about the old finish line. mrs.mm too.

themetfairy
May 20 2012 10:38 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I ran the Run to Home Base in Boston this morning. My unofficial time for the 9K race according to my watch is 1:02:21.

It was fun finishing at the Green Monster -



And way more fun meeting Spaceman Bill Lee after the race!

Fman99
May 20 2012 05:55 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Nice work guys!

I fired out a 1:49:11 half marathon this morning under extremely warm temperatures and a paucity of shade. 59th overall out of 181 runners though just 18th out of 31 in the M30-39 bracket.

Not my fastest half but my fastest in 2012. I took good care the last few days to minimize the alcohol and maximize the water, and I brought a couple of packs of Sport Beans along. They seem to give me more of a boost than Fgirl's Dora fruit snacks did on the last two events i did.

themetfairy
May 20 2012 09:33 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Nice work Fman.

Sports Beans are good, although over time I've come to prefer Chomps.

metsmarathon
May 25 2012 11:13 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

well, i was just about to solicit interest in the 2012 river to sea relay, that 92 mile jaunt across new jersey that i want desperately to do once more, but just discovered that the registration limit has been reached.

instead, i shall now solicit interest in the inaugural 2012 new jersey reach the beach relay, a 200 mile overnight jaunt from the mountains of vernon to the sandy shores of island beach state park! the race is on october 12 & 13, with further information here: http://nj.rtbrelay.com

teams can be of anywhere between 4 and 12 runners. with 12 runners, we'd average 16.6 miles per person, with some doing more, and some doing less, split between three legs. i'd prefer to have closer to 12 runners. the impact of having fewer than 12 runners is that some runners would then have to run 4 legs - for an 11-man team, three runners would run 4 times; for a 10 man team, six runners would; for a 9-man team, everyone would, and so on and so on. with 4 runners, we'd have to run 9 times, for a total of 50 miles apiece. tempting, but no.

we'd also need to maintain an average pace of 10 minutes per mile. which means while i need some fast runners, what i need most are runners!

the more runners, the cheaper it is, too, as the price per team is that same with 7 runners as it is with 12.

anyways, if you want to run, let me know. two years ago, i did the river to sea relay, and had a lot of fun. last year, my wife did the reach the beach in massachussets (same 200 miles over 24 hours, only in the bay state), and she's adamant about running hte new jersey iteration. so, run with us!

thanks!

themetfairy
May 26 2012 10:53 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I've heard a lot of nice things about the Spring Lake 5 - a five mile run at the Jersey Shore that's held every Memorial Day Weekend. But I never signed up for it for a variety of reasons, primarily boiling down to logistics and the fact that my calendar for May is usually in flux by the time this very popular event sells out. But we had some friends over to the house last night, one of my friends mentioned that she was supposed to run Spring Lake with her daughter, who had a change of plans, and yyybbb we agreed that I'd run the race in her daughter's stead.

So I was there with a borrowed race bib, although at the event, for a fee, I was actually able to transfer the bib to my name.

The day was lovely, although it heated up pretty fast, and the course was picturesque and FLAT

Best part of the race - as I was running out of steam on the approach to the finish line, mm and mrsmm saw me and cheered me on - it gave me a MUCH needed boost as I was fading in the heat :)

I finished in 58:37:45. No land speed record, but considering the heat I was happy to have finished in under an hour.

I wasn't expecting to run a race this morning; this was an enjoyable surprise.

Rockin' Doc
May 26 2012 01:45 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Metfairy, nice job filling in and running the race at the last minute.

During a rent office luncheon, I had a conversation about weight control and fitness with my partners and one of our pharmaceutical sales representatives. The sales rep. had used running and dieting to lose roughly 70 pounds after the birth of her last child. She was now following a very strict diet in order to maintain her weight, because she had been unable to run for the past 4-5 months due to some personal health issues. One of my partners stated that he had recently seen an article which stated that a person burned the same number of calories whether they walked or ran a mile. Essentially the speed with which one traverses a distance doesn't make any difference in the number of calories burned. It is all dependent upon the distance covered. I stated my disbelief and vowed to conduct a mythbusters type study to test the statement.

So today, I decided I would first walk 1.5 miles and record the calories burned as recorded by the treadmill. Then I would stop and clear the treadmill and run 1.5 miles and compare the calories burned between the two sessions. I set the slope of the treadmill to 0.5% grade and took off walking at a brisk, comfortable pace. I completed the 1.50 miles without breaking a sweat or breathing hard in 19:55. I then cleared the treadmill and again set the slope to 0.5% grade and took off running at a comfortable pace. I completed the 1.5 miles in an easy 10:50 and was soaked with perspiration and my breathing was more rapid and heavier. After a brief pause to record the results, I continued my run for the 42 minute total I had set for the day.

Much to my surprise, I burned 182 calories walking 1.5 miles and 157 calories running the same distance. I never would have believed it if I hadn't tried it for myself. Though I consumed calories at a greater rate while running, the additional time needed to complete the distance while walking more than made up for the slower rate of burn. In fact, I burned roughly 14% more calories while walking the 1.5 miles than I did running them. I had set out to disprove the theory and expected the the totally opposite result. Instead, I find that I confirmed that walking a specified distance burns as many calories (likely more) than running that same distance. There is no question that running increased my heart and respiratory rate far more than did walking, but that did not equate to burning more calories. The other thing I noticed was that walking seemed to stress different muscles than running did. While walking, I felt a mild tightening in muscles of my anterior shin region (anterior tibialis muscle and soleus mucle). Whereas, when running, it was the usual hamstrings that felt the burden.

To say I am surprised by the findings of my little experiment would be an understatement.

themetfairy
May 26 2012 01:51 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Nice mythbusting RD!

I'm actually not surprised by your results, but it's nice to see confirmation that weight loss is more closely correlated to the distance covered rather than the rate of speed.

Ceetar
May 26 2012 11:38 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Ceetar wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
Who wants to run across an NFL field?

New York Giants Run of Champions 5K


that does sound fun.


couple of friends of various levels of accomplishment are doing this. Looks like I am too.

themetfairy
May 27 2012 05:34 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Ceetar wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
Who wants to run across an NFL field?

New York Giants Run of Champions 5K


that does sound fun.


couple of friends of various levels of accomplishment are doing this. Looks like I am too.


Excellent - we'll have to run it in our CPF singlets!

DocTee
May 27 2012 06:42 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Doing well in my routine. Went from couch to five miles in less than a month...clocked 57:15 for a 5.2 run this afternoon. Less worried about pace (I generally clock in at about 10:20 or 10:30, sometimes faster, sometimes slower) now that RD has proven that time and distance are the key factors towards burning calories... and the cardio is good at any level rate...plus the speed will come with more training. (Thanks MM and TMF for the pointers). Why though, can I run a treadmill 5K in 28:00 and change and not come close to that on the road??

Doing a 10K trail run next Saturday-- it's murderous:[url]http://www.lynchcanyontrailrun.com/

Clocked a 1:20 in 2012 and hope to match/beat this year.

Scheduled to run a leg of this in September, too:[url]http://www.ragnarrelay.com/race/napavalley

What's that about running being a mental sport? If so, I should be committed.

metsmarathon
May 28 2012 06:50 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

DocTee wrote:
Why though, can I run a treadmill 5K in 28:00 and change and not come close to that on the road??


it's harder to maintain pace when you alone are responsible for it!

i think i always run slower on a treadmill. i need airflow to cool me off, and i need the mind games i play with myself to keep switching gears and pushing the pace.

TransMonk
May 29 2012 08:34 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

My wife has decided she wants to start running, too. Building up her training from zero will be a good opportunity for me to rehab my wonky leg.

themetfairy
May 29 2012 09:40 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Very cool TM!

My son is in this third week of the Couch to 5K plan. It's working out well for him.

metsmarathon
May 31 2012 12:18 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

well, i had my fastest run thus far this year today, 4 miles at a 7:26 pace, and i really wasn't trying all that hard to go that fast. i'm still playing it fairly conservatively with my calf, and am hesitant to start doing any kind of more-intense running than tempo runs. maybe after another week or two. we'll see.

with today's run, i hit 91.4 miles in may. this is the most i've run in a month in a year and a half.

Fman99
May 31 2012 07:52 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Nice!

I turned up the juice today... having not run since Monday and in near perfect conditions, banged out 4.5 miles in 35:43, a 7:56 pace. I normally don't run that fast during the week but I had everything working today. My first 5k of the year is the day after tomorrow, I'm looking to beat my PR of 22:35 for an accredited race at this distance.

Ran 77.4 miles in May and 387.6 miles so far in 2012. Not quite a one thousand mile pace but well over 900 if I continue. And if I do run eight more half marathons this year I still may hit that mark.

themetfairy
May 31 2012 08:38 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Nice work gentlemen!

I ran the Wall Street Run this evening. The official results aren't up yet, but I had a good time and ran my fastest 5K since using my Nike+ watch (the course is 3 miles, but you know how the weaving adds a little mileage....).

The Second Spitter
Jun 01 2012 04:33 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

DocTee wrote:
Why though, can I run a treadmill 5K in 28:00 and change and not come close to that on the road??


There are two reasons people faster on treadmills:
(1) Lack of elements - temperature, humidity, wind, hills, harder/uneven surface.
(2) Inertia - basically you're running on a platform that's moving backwards, you get a tiny push as you step off. The tendency is for people run in a "skating motion" when running exclusively on a treadmill, especially when they start to tire.

mm is not human, so none of this applies to him.

TransMonk
Jun 01 2012 08:04 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I ran a pitiful 10 miles in an injury and vacation filled May. Groin rehab and working my way slowly back begins this weekend.

My cycling is unaffected by my lameness and I got in over 200 km on the bike.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 01 2012 08:11 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I did like, 7 miles, consisting of the Fiesta 5K, a few aborted road runs, and a mile on the treadmill last week.

Achilles still sore but getting a little better. Will basically start from scratch again in a few weeks hopefully.

metsmarathon
Jun 01 2012 08:15 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

in fairness, i've only ever really run on a treadmill at the gym at work, where the air is almost always stiflingly stagnant, and even when the overhead fans are blowing, they're really not doing much good. and i have a treadmill at home in my basement, but i hate it and never use it. it's also far from the tv at an oblique angle, and squeaks annoyingly with each step. so it's highly disincentivizing.

when i'm on a treadmill, i struggle to defocus enough so that i can focus on my running. watching the little blinking light work its way around an imaginary track does nothing for me, and staring up at a tv does little help - there's usually nothing on at the gym, and what is on isn't all that captivating. and since i got my iphone, i haven't had music on it, nor have i had a case with which to use to affix it to my body while running. i could always bust out my old ipod mini, if it still works, but i'd need to dig up the case. but mostly, there's little reason for me to ever be on a treadmill, so i don't work too hard to maximize my experience.

why don't i have music on my iphone? well, i screwed something up on itunes when i switched computers a while back, and i haven't gotten around to scavenging the parts off a third computer to get hte old comuputer up and running enough to fix the problem. also, i hardly ever listen to music on the thing. so it's fairly self-perpetuating.

Ceetar
Jun 01 2012 08:16 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

about 17. poor really, and if i'm serious about running this 5K (in less than 40 minutes to boot) at Giants stadium in 3 weeks I should probably put in some real time in June.

Vic Sage
Jun 01 2012 08:55 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I ran once. I was 11. I was being chased by a pack of wild dogs down W.35th street, heading home from P.S. 188 in Coney. They ran me down, and the alpha bit me in the ass.

I suppose i would run again now, if similar circumstances pertained.

Frayed Knot
Jun 01 2012 10:09 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Vic Sage wrote:
I suppose i would run again now, if similar circumstances pertained.


The difference being that they'd catch you more quickly.

themetfairy
Jun 01 2012 10:22 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I need music videos for treadmill runs. Without them, I'm sunk.

DocTee
Jun 02 2012 11:43 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

So a 1:20:30 in this gruesome 10K trail run this morning. Not the time I had hoped for (sub-1:20) but glad to participate and represent...my running mates all bailed so I was doing it solo, and rolled my ankle with about a half mile to go, all of which might have cost me my desired time. Srious hills and steep ones too, but a good way to start my weekend and the month.

themetfairy
Jun 02 2012 12:26 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 02 2012 08:33 PM

I fell while running today. About four and a half miles into my 10K neighborhood run (I had on the Nike+, but it's not connecting to the satellite anymore and my replacement won't be here for a few days). No major injury, but I have a scraped knee and shin. I look like a banged up kid and I'm whining like a little girl in the aftermath (although, in the moment I got back up and finished the run. I must have looked ridiculous with all of that blood on my leg, but what option did I have at that point?).

In the meantime, in addition to the New York Mini 10K next Saturday, D-Dad and I are going to do the George Washington Bridge Challenge 5K next Sunday. I'm a little disappointed that it doesn't cross the entire span, but I'm still excited about running the bridge.

Rockin' Doc
Jun 02 2012 12:34 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Sorry to hear of your recent injuries DocTee and metfairy. Glad to hear that neither of you were hurt seriously. I have had one friend break an ankle and another their wrist when tripping on uneven ground during a run.

I run almost exclusively on the treadmill because I don't like running on the uneven shoulders of highways while cars, with drivers more interested in their cell phones than their surroundings, whiz by me. Oh, and the humidity, I absolutely can't take running in the heat and humidity. I'm a wuss, what can I say. So I stick to my routine of lifting weights for 30-35 minutes, stretching for 5 minutes and then running fro 35-60 minutes on the treadmill.

I ran 11 times in May for a total of 74.04 miles, by far my best month of 2012. I have run a total of 309.26 miles for the year thus far. On Monday, May 29th I took my final run of the month. I started out on my planned 42 minute run with the treadmill set on a 1% grade. I felt good and strong during my weight lifting session and quickly saw that the good feeling was carrying over to my running. I started pick up my pace and really push it to see how fast I could go. I was able to hit the 5K mark in a new personal best of 20:25. I felt strong so I decided to keep pushing it for as long as I could since I felt particularly good. I was really tiring when I turned 5.28 miles at the 35 minute mark. Knowing that I had less than a mile to reach the 10K mark in what would definitely be record time for me gave me motivation to keep running hard. So I hung on to the 37 minute mark and then I took off and starting "kicking" and waiting for the 6.20 mark to pop up on the mileage screen. I hit it at 40:49 having turned the second 5K one second faster than the initial one. I finished with 6.39 miles in 42 minutes. I really don't think I can do any better than that for 10K, but It has given a new goal of eventually breaking 20 minutes for 5K someday.

The depressing thing is that I find that I have, despite my running, started to gradually gain weight back during the past 2-3 months. I'm not running quite as often as last year, though I keep trying to push the pace even more than I did last year. My wife thinks it's the weight training, but I don't think so. I am definitely much stronger now, but I'm not really bulking up. I'm afraid my metabolism has leveled off and I'm not getting the same effect from the exercise now. Diets and I don't do well, so I'm trying to figure out what to do, because I really don't want to run any more than I am.

themetfairy
Jun 02 2012 01:05 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 02 2012 08:32 PM

Don't think of it as a diet - think of it as eating more healthily.

Not that you have to do a total overhaul, but when in doubt, choose the non-fried thing over the fried thing, the non-creamy thing over the creamy thing, etc. If you make those kinds of choices regularly, it really helps.

As for the treadmill vs. street question, it's totally a personal preference. So long as you're moving and you're happy where you're doing it, it's all good. The only better choice is the one that feels right to you, and there's no need to apologize for your preference.

And thanks RD - my shin is feeling less sore to the touch already, which is making me happier than I was a few hours ago.

Fman99
Jun 02 2012 03:27 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

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Hope my gimpy friends are all feeling better.

I broke my 5k PR this morning with a 22:21. Finished 112th out of 1533 runners and 10th of 52 in my age bracket. I felt great all week, I was gunning for a personal best all along.

themetfairy
Jun 02 2012 05:03 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

WTG Fman!

metsmarathon
Jun 02 2012 08:10 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

nice!

themetfairy
Jun 07 2012 06:28 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

This is Why I Run the New York Mini 10K

metsmarathon
Jun 07 2012 08:28 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

the marathons will be running the ny giants run of champions on june 24th. looking forward to running on the field. looking forward to minimm running on the field as well.

themetfairy
Jun 07 2012 09:08 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

metsmarathon wrote:
the marathons will be running the ny giants run of champions on june 24th. looking forward to running on the field. looking forward to minimm running on the field as well.



Cool - D-Dad and I hope to see you guys there!

themetfairy
Jun 10 2012 07:47 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I had a busy running weekend - the New York Mini 10K yesterday and the George Washington Bridge Challengd 5K today.

I love the Mini. I love this history of the world's first women's only race, and it meant a lot to me to be a part of its 40th anniversary running. This year's medal is smaller than last year's, but the size is amusing and befitting of a mini -



Then today I ran the George Washington Bridge 5K Challenge. It was a clusterfuck, from insuffienct transportation from the designated parking lot to the start (over a 40 minute wait - the only reason we didn't miss the race was that so many people were delayed that they pushed back the start time 45 minutes) to insufficient porta potties (7 pre-race porta potties for 2,700 participants!) to LONG registration lines. But wait, there's more - The buses back to the parking lot and other vehicles were allowed onto the course while the 10K runners and many of the walkers were still finishing up! While on the bus we saw one guy run between our bus and another vehicle heading the other way on a very narrow road that was part of the course - it was insane!

So anyway, I posted a photo of the race medal (the one part of the event that they actually got right), and for some reason my photo, and its caption (Crappy Race, Sweet Medal) wound up here.

metsmarathon
Jun 10 2012 09:14 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:
... we saw one guy run between our bus and another vehicle heading the other way on a very narrow road that was part of the course - it was insane!


jeez, what part of challenge don't you understand!?

it's not supposed to be easy!

i still think it's funny you had to turn at the state line.

themetfairy
Jun 11 2012 05:26 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

LOL - usually people who sign up for walks don't get challenged that badly

Fman99
Jun 11 2012 07:50 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Ran a ton of miles this weekend, did a 6.5 mile group run at an 8:30 or so clip on Saturday morning, in the rain, with my running club friends. Then, yesterday, a ridiculous 7.77 mile trail run in the humidity of a local state park. Great, beautiful views and ridiculous hills. I rarely run off of pavement and I don't get the same bounce, plus I was gassed from Saturday's miles, so I ran it at a 9:15 or so clip. Still had fun.

metsmarathon
Jun 11 2012 09:57 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

on saturday, i ran a local 5k. i knew the course would have some hills, but forgot to do my usual scouting.
i kindof expected there to just be the first hill, and the rest mostly rolling, gentle, no big deal. and if you look at the elevation profile, it wasn't too bad either. mostly flat, with some small hills. but each of those hills was pretty steep. the first one was a good 40' in the first 0.1 miles. and in fact there was another hill (40' in 0.2 miles) at dead center of the race, and similar hill at the 2-mile. and of course, the finish was a 50' in 0.2 mile uphill charge.

in between there were some lesser, gradual inclines, that contributed to making hte race feel entirely uphill, despite the fact that it had only a net 40' gain, and really was mostly flat.

i started out too fast as well. way too fast. i was right behind the lead group going up the first hill. and hung on as best i could after the crest and hte downhill that followed. but that effort taxed my quads, and my legs felt heavy the rest of hte race. though i felt as if i was running in slow-motion for the second half of it, my first mile clocked in at 6:30. we hit the afore-mentioned hills in teh middle of the race, and i had lead in my soles. it kills me that hte hills killed me. just before the 2-mile was a water stop, and i stopped for water, and walked up part of the hill. i got to the clock at 7:30 or so, having walked 20 seconds. it helped so very very much.

the last mile, i basically tried to hang on, maybe catch another runner or two, and maybe, just maybe, have something in my tank for the charge up the final hill to the finish. i'm pretty sure i passed two teenage boys, and maybe another runner in that last mile - basically, all hte runners who passed me at that water stop.

i got to the ifnish in 22:13, having run the last1.1 miles in 8:15. i'ts a minute off my pr, but i'll take it. my calves felt fine throughout, though afterwards tehy were sore, but not injured. my haammy was sore too, but also not injured. for not having run with much of speed at all for the past year and a half, it's good to have such a good time come in. it's a good start to what i hope can turn into a successful summer of running.

i took 20th in the race, and netted an age group award, 3rd among men 30-39, though the #2 & 3 overall were also in my age group. having won the overall award, tehy were ineligible for the age grouper. i don't mind at all. the 10-year age group thing wasn't a factor, either, as the other 4 would also have been in the 30-34 group.

before the race, minimm got to climb in a couple of fire trucks, and had a grand old time. we'll have to get him to play in more emergency vehicles soon.

themetfairy
Jun 11 2012 10:18 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

WTG mm - as always, I'm envious of your great times!

themetfairy
Jun 26 2012 07:29 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Hey Everyone,

I'm getting a Team McGraw team together for the inagural Trenton Half Marathon/10K on November 10th.

It's going to be a fantastic event, and if you'd like to run it with Team McGraw, you can sign up here.

Ya Gotta Believe!

themetfairy
Jun 26 2012 11:30 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

On Sunday D-Dad and I ran the Run with Champions at Metlife Stadium -



And we had the pleasure of running into the marathon family there -



mm will likely provide a much more detailed account of the race. But from my perspective it was a lot of fun. This is a successor to the Draft Day 5K that used to be held at the old stadium - that was much more boring, because you basically ran around the stadium parking lot until you got to enter the stadium and finish across the football field. With this race you started in the parking lot and went around the state fair, the Izod center, and did a nice loop before entering the stadium. This course was better - the scenery wasn't exciting, but it was a heck of a lot better than doing loops within the parking lot. I liked the old finish better, where you went across the center of the football field, but by finishing along the sideline it allowed participants to hang out on the football field for a while after the race.

I felt good running, and D-Dad and I finished in 35:18 - not fast by any standard, but a reasonable time for me. What I felt better about was that afterward everyone was complaining about how hot it was, and the heat really didn't affect me; I had run in much worse weather last week, so Sunday felt pretty good to me. It pleases me that, even though I run at a snail's pace, I'm in decent enough shape that the warm weather didn't take a toll on me.

I also appreciated how well New York Road Runners organized this event. As I wrote above, two weeks ago I ran the clusterfuck that was the George Washington Bridge Challenge (which was run by the American Cancer Society. I appreciate and admire the terrific fundraising that they do, but I will never again trust them to put on a race). Things about this race that I will never again take for granted -

[list]Lots of parking at the race venue
Bathrooms inside the stadium
Porta Potties at the race start
Water Stations and Porta Potties at Mile 1 and Mile 2
Normal post-race food (bagels and fruit, which is what you need after running in warm weather)[/list:u]

This was an enjoyable event, and if the logistics work out I'd love to run it again in future years.

metsmarathon
Jun 26 2012 01:01 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

nyrr sure tends to spoil you for other large races, doesn't it?

i gotta be honest, i'm not sure if i've got a lengthy race report in me on this one. (i've said that before, i'm sure...) but what the heck, i'll give it a go.

we got to the race a little later than we had wanted to, but to no ill effect as the marathon-in-laws were there to get our packets. we parked the car, and started walking towards the stadium. no sooner than i wondered to myself, "gee, there sure are a lot of people here, i wonder if we'll see metfairy," did we see metfairy and d-dad. hello!

just outside the stadium we met up with the marathon-in-laws, and they hooked us up with our race gear. both runners tehmselves, they typically take turns watching minimm when we all go to a race together. today, it was my father-in-law's turn to run. of the two, he's more the football fan anyways, and while hte price of the 5k was relatively steep at over $50, it's hard to get in there for less.

we head toward the interior of the stadium to look around, and to use a restroom. and there again is metfairy and d-dad. hey, again!

we get ourselves some primo seats and hang out for a bit, put on our numbers, and take the photo above.

then it's off to the races.

unfortunately, in the leadup to the race, i never grabbed a water bottle, and in the trek over to the starting line, no water bottles were being offered. oops. also, it was hot. not as hot as earlier in the week, but still pretty darned hot, with no promise of shade for the duration of the course.

mrs.mm and i were in teh second corral from the start, mingled in about midpack. i wasn't really planning on jackrabbiting, especially since i hadn't well hydrated at all, and she was just going to take it fairly easy as well. before the race, they introduced some giants players of yesteryear, and also mentioned amani toomer was present. cool. at the time i didn't quite pick up on the fact that he would be running hte race as well.

the race starts, and i run with the crowd, easing slightly faster as i felt comfortable. within maybe a hundred yards or so, i notice there's a guy with a video camera running next to another runner. it slowly dawns on me that perhaps it's amani "it's not a tumor" toomer. eventually, after doing really yeoman's work, the cameraman peels off. i don't really know how he didn't fall. those big cameras look heavy. i continue running, and probably within a quarter to a half mile, i pass amani. i figured i'd play it cool and give him something of a wide berth. i didn't want to be that guy. that guy, as it happened, ran next to him, and patted him on his back or something, perhaps even said something to him. yeah, i didn't want to be that guy. let the man run his race. he's really tall, you know. that guy practically had to leap to reach his shoulder, and how awkward would that be to trip up and knock down the pro athlete you were hoping to fawn over? it didn't happen, but it could have. like i said, let the man run.

anyhoo, i keep running, gradually accelerating, getting warmer and warmer. i'm also running without my watch, and without having done a good job of pre-scouting the route. i don't really like running blind, and i hate racing blind! but i get to the one mile, and it's just under 7 minutes. subtract my time to the start, and its about 6:45 or so. not bad. i probably can't hold it, but why not try. i stop at the water stop and indulge in two cups of water. probably hurt my time, but not doing so would've done greater damage.

the race continues along hte road to a bridge by the awful, ugly, hideous xanadu failure palace. even the trees growing up from the unloved concrete in its unused entryways were uglier than they needed to be.

that bridge slowed me down. running past the state fair, i started to feel the heat, started to drag. i got to the 2 mile in about 8 minutes, i think, though there may have been a second water stop involved. ok. fine. 1 mile to go. of course there would be another bridge, but this didn't feel nearly as bad. probably because by the time i was on it, i could better gauge how much race was left. on its downside, i started to make a mindful effort to increase my speed. as i did, i passed a runner who i had noticed in the corral - his friend was making fun of him for being a patriots fan - and who i had played a little bit of cat-and-mouse with in the first mile, with him running steadily in front, and me playing catch-up. i'd lost him until now.

off hte bridge, we head towards the stadium, and curl halfway around it. i try to push faster still, assuming there to be not more than a half mile remaining, likely closer to a quarter mile. as i rounded hte stadium towards the midfield entrance, i started to wonder if i'd turned it on too quick. but there, on the outside of the turn into the stadium, stood my mother-in-law and minimm. i swung wide, got a high five, and sprinted onward, renewed by the little munchkin, who somewhat reluctantly touched his gross father's hand as he ran by. also, hte entryway was in shade.

onto the field, turn right towards the end zone. loop around the goal post, and 100 yards to the finish. i ran a good 100, and put in a very strong 40. as i crossed hte line, i was spent. 22:45 clock time, approximately. 22:37 net time. 20 seconds slower than my last 5k, but i ran this one harder. that had hills, this had heat.

mrs. marathon came in at around 27 minutes. amani toomer was 40 seocnds behind her. i guess he doesn't run much more than 40 yards at a time...

as we waited for my father-in-law to finish, we again saw metfairy and d-dad. you again!

minimm ran the kids races after hte 5k was finished. i'm not sure he really gets it. the race started, and some of the two-year olds ran ahead - probably the older ones that are almost three. the rest mingled a bit, or were goaded by parents. minimm took off on a liesurely trot. he was in no hurry. then just before the finish lin, he pulls up. just stops there. he's a big fan of cars, though i odn;t think he was knowingly pulling a lightning mcqueen. i think he just didn't quite know what to do, or if he should keep going into the thickening crowd on the other side of the stripe. mrs.mm was there, though, to guide him across.

the kids finishers all got little ribbons for having run. i think minimm was hoping for a medal. he looked a little confused when he got it and even tried to put it on over his head. silly boy.

we also did the little football expo thing where you could trhow a football to a receievr cutout. minimm got three tries as he walked up to the receiver. on the third try, he slam dunked it into the waiting arms. nice work! my turn, to throw a 20 yard pass. it's been a whole since i threw a football. first throw, on line, but right at the receiver's feet. embarassing. second throw, much better. hit the receiver's hands, but not hte hole for the ball to go through. a good receiver, like the slow-footed amani toomer, would have caught it. not mr. cutout though. with a third throw, i reassure myself, i surely would've got it to him. another line was for little kids to catch a thrown football. a few kids prior, a 3 year old munchkin does a great david tyree impression, catching hte ball on his head. when it was minimm's turn, he started loping downfield. the 'quarterback' underhanded him the ball, and, to my surprise, minimm made a sparkling catch. he's big for two-and-a-half, but that's a full-size football. having caught hte ball, he spiked it down, then picked it up and gave it back to the 'quarterback.' naturally, i did not have my camera on me at the time. it was pretty awesome.

a good time was had by all. and look at that. a lengthy race report. will wonders never cease!

TransMonk
Jun 26 2012 01:05 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I ran a little today without groin pain for the first time in months. It was only a mile or so and I wasn't anywhere near top speed, but I'm hoping that it is a sign that I've mostly healed and that I can start to stretch the runs out a little further.

themetfairy
Jun 26 2012 01:37 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

mm - I knew I could count on you for superlative descriptions and accounts of the race :)

TM - I'm glad to hear you ran pain-free!

Fman99
Jun 26 2012 07:14 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:
Hey Everyone,

I'm getting a Team McGraw team together for the inagural Trenton Half Marathon/10K on November 10th.

It's going to be a fantastic event, and if you'd like to run it with Team McGraw, you can sign up here.

Ya Gotta Believe!


I may actually take part in this... if I'm not up to 12 half marathons by the end of October I might consider making the trip down to run 13.1 in NJ.

Fman99
Jun 26 2012 08:30 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Also -- for the second time in 2012, bested my 5k PR on Father's Day by running a 22:19. I was a good 2-3 seconds behind the line, also, but wasn't wearing my watch so I have no semi-official "chip time" number to pencil in.

themetfairy
Jun 26 2012 09:48 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Fman - that would be AWESOME if you could run Trenton with us. And WTG on your PR!

Ceetar
Jul 01 2012 09:38 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I made a typical mistake this weekend. Was doing well, running, even losing a wee bit of weight. And then I blew off the gym because of some shin pain (minor) and happy hour, and then did the same Friday. been busy this weekend and figured I'd get back on the horse Monday/Tuesday at least and at least not go a whole week.. but then I remembered I'm giving blood tomorrow night and going to the game Tuesday.

Oops.

Fman99
Jul 01 2012 08:58 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

70 miles in June, 457.4 for 2012 at the halfway point. Feel like a million damn dollars out there.

TransMonk
Jul 02 2012 07:39 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Less than 20 miles running for me in June...but the last few miles were pain-free, which bodes well for July.

I did put in over 300 miles on my bike.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 02 2012 07:41 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

zero miles for June.

themetfairy
Jul 02 2012 07:58 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I'm not keeping track of miles per se, but on Nike+ I'm 16 miles away from the Blue level.

I'll likely remain at that level for a couple of years - you reach Blue at 1,000 km, but you need 2,500 km to get to the Purple level.

OE - I figured out how to find Nike+'s log of my monthly runs. They have me down at 86.39 miles for June. That doesn't count the five days I ran without a watch while I was awaiting a replacement, so my final tally was somewhere between 95 and 100 miles for the month. That was after 92.4 miles in May, and 86.1 miles in April. Slow but steady racks up the miles....

Ceetar
Jul 02 2012 08:10 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

~33 miles in June (versus 44 beers). That's a pretty good number for me. If i match it in July and August I have a prayer at getting down to 239 for Europe.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 02 2012 10:33 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I did a great deal of traveling and meetings during June so i only got 6 runs in for the month. I still managed to log 40.28 miles in my limited opportunities. I did finally break the 20 minute barrier for 5K with a 19:57 time to open a run of 38 minutes on June 16th. I was totally wiped after that run. I don't see myself doing that again. I haven't run for ten days, but hope to get back at it tomorrow after work.

themetfairy
Jul 03 2012 05:34 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Wow RD - that is impressive! WTG speed demon!

Ceetar
Jul 03 2012 05:37 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:
Wow RD - that is impressive! WTG speed demon!



Yeah, I'm usually at around 1.65 at 20 minutes..so that's very nearly twice as fast as me :-D

metsmarathon
Jul 05 2012 09:14 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Rockin' Doc wrote:
I did a great deal of traveling and meetings during June so i only got 6 runs in for the month. I still managed to log 40.28 miles in my limited opportunities. I did finally break the 20 minute barrier for 5K with a 19:57 time to open a run of 38 minutes on June 16th. I was totally wiped after that run. I don't see myself doing that again. I haven't run for ten days, but hope to get back at it tomorrow after work.


jeepers! nice run!

i got in 50 miles in june, and not a lick since. i'm taking a week off to see if a a resurgance of my plantar fasciitis goes away.

so far, it's not. boo.

Fman99
Jul 07 2012 07:44 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

T -10 hours 18 minutes until the biggest race of the year, for upstate NY folks anyway. The Utica Boilermaker 15k/5k (total registrants: 18,000 runners).

My friends and I have chartered a bus to take us to the race and back. I need to be there at 5 AM. I did the 15k race last year in 1:19:24 (a pace of exactly 8:30 per mile) and this year I'm shooting for a sub-75 minute finish.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 08 2012 02:58 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I hope all went well with your race, fman. I'm sure you did yourself and the CPF proud.

Fman99
Jul 08 2012 07:08 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Thanks Doc. I improved from last year's 1:19:20 time (an 8:30/mile pace) to a 1:16:50 this year (8:15/mile). Ran strong and felt great. Fun was had today.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 08 2012 07:21 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Great job. You keep improving your times each time you return to a race. Glad it went well.

themetfairy
Jul 08 2012 07:36 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Awesome job Fman!

Ceetar
Jul 09 2012 02:58 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Beer consumption boosts bone health; it's at least as beneficial as water for rehydration and recovery post-workout; and it can improve immune-system function.


[url]http://news.runnersworld.com/2012/07/09/benefits-of-moderate-beer-consumption/?cm_mmc=Twitter-_-RunnersWorld-_-Content-News-_-BeerBenefits

themetfairy
Jul 09 2012 03:03 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I'll drink to that!

TransMonk
Jul 12 2012 12:46 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Back on the mend as the pain in my groin has relocated into the inner part of my hamstring.

I'm shutting myself down until August 20th. I'm still on pace for 2000 miles on my bike this year and my large bike trip is the week before that.

I miss running when I don't go...but it is simply no fun to deal with the pain.

Fman99
Jul 13 2012 04:17 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I continue to enjoy good running health and I am appreciative of that fact. Put in 4.9 miles this morning (7:59 pace) when I realized at 5 AM that I wasn't falling back asleep. Might as well beat the heat and get the miles in early.

Edgy MD
Jul 13 2012 07:10 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

My wife ordered a treadmill without consulting me. I spent two days putting it together and everything works... 'cept the motor.

soupcan
Jul 13 2012 08:38 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Fman99 wrote:
I continue to enjoy good running health and I am appreciative of that fact. Put in 4.9 miles this morning (7:59 pace) when I realized at 5 AM that I wasn't falling back asleep. Might as well beat the heat and get the miles in early.


Dude - you are the man.

I've been on and off again with my running so much over the last year because of various nagging injuries to various parts of my legs and feet. Thankfully since the beginning of June I've been able to run relatively consistently. I think the key for a guy my age is just to be really patient while building up the stamina. When I think I'm ready to extend my distance or the length of time I run, I force myself not to. It seems that when I would push myself before is when I would hurt myself.

So even though I WANT to go out and run 5 miles everytime and I think I'm ready to, I'm still running just 3 - 3.5 and will do so for a while while incrementally increasing by .5 miles depending upon how often I get out there.

So again, I'm feeling good now but wishing I was at least running as fast you, you fucking speed demon! 8:00 minute miles are my dream. Right now I'm going at about a 9:20 pace but even that's getting better and better (albeit in small increments).

Keep on, keeping' on.

soupcan
Jul 13 2012 08:43 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

FYI for all a you runners -

This is running blog that a friend of mine writes. There's some interesting stuff on there if you are so inclined.

The Rundown

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 13 2012 08:47 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

soupcan wrote:
I continue to enjoy good running health and I am appreciative of that fact. Put in 4.9 miles this morning (7:59 pace) when I realized at 5 AM that I wasn't falling back asleep. Might as well beat the heat and get the miles in early.


Dude - you are the man.

I've been on and off again with my running so much over the last year because of various nagging injuries to various parts of my legs and feet. Thankfully since the beginning of June I've been able to run relatively consistently. I think the key for a guy my age is just to be really patient while building up the stamina. When I think I'm ready to extend my distance or the length of time I run, I force myself not to. It seems that when I would push myself before is when I would hurt myself.

So even though I WANT to go out and run 5 miles everytime and I think I'm ready to, I'm still running just 3 - 3.5 and will do so for a while while incrementally increasing by .5 miles depending upon how often I get out there.

So again, I'm feeling good now but wishing I was at least running as fast you, you fucking speed demon! 8:00 minute miles are my dream. Right now I'm going at about a 9:20 pace but even that's getting better and better (albeit in small increments).

Keep on, keeping' on.


Soup-JCL Similarity Score +++

I started slow again last week, 3 - 4 miles at a time, tempted to go more but can't/shant (achilles/foot still a f'ed up despite 2 full months off). I think part of my foot fatigue had to do with too many miles too soon while trying to return from layoffs due to illness, weather, laziness etc over the winter.

My plan is to increase miles as weight drops, and figure that's gonna be a slow process. So far doing 9 minute miles.

metsmarathon
Jul 13 2012 09:11 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Edgy DC wrote:
My wife ordered a treadmill without consulting me. I spent two days putting it together and everything works... 'cept the motor.


YOU are the motor.

or it's broken. one of them.

Fman99
Jul 13 2012 10:23 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

soupcan wrote:
I continue to enjoy good running health and I am appreciative of that fact. Put in 4.9 miles this morning (7:59 pace) when I realized at 5 AM that I wasn't falling back asleep. Might as well beat the heat and get the miles in early.


Dude - you are the man.

I've been on and off again with my running so much over the last year because of various nagging injuries to various parts of my legs and feet. Thankfully since the beginning of June I've been able to run relatively consistently. I think the key for a guy my age is just to be really patient while building up the stamina. When I think I'm ready to extend my distance or the length of time I run, I force myself not to. It seems that when I would push myself before is when I would hurt myself.

So even though I WANT to go out and run 5 miles everytime and I think I'm ready to, I'm still running just 3 - 3.5 and will do so for a while while incrementally increasing by .5 miles depending upon how often I get out there.

So again, I'm feeling good now but wishing I was at least running as fast you, you fucking speed demon! 8:00 minute miles are my dream. Right now I'm going at about a 9:20 pace but even that's getting better and better (albeit in small increments).

Keep on, keeping' on.


Thanks for the kind words, same to you. Glad to hear you're back on the road. I've been blessed with good running health -- aside from a two week stretch last December where I had some arch issues (fixed by getting new orthotics) I've been able to run consistently since the fall of 2009 without any breaks, at least 3x per week.

That's a pretty brisk practice pace for me -- my usual 5k race pace is in the low 7's per mile, but most weekdays I'm more of an 8:30-8:40 per mile guy. Of course I also usually run around the 5 PM hour and it's much warmer that time of day than it was this morning.

On another running note, I've enrolled Fboy in a ten week running/training program being put on by the local "Fleet Feet" store where I purchase my running shoes and apparel. For $50 he gets ten one hour lessons in the park, a T shirt and an entry in a 1 mile kids' "fun run" in September. He's had two lessons so far and he's enjoying himself. What's also great is that his sessions are in the same park where I run, so I can actually get my run in while he is engaged with the coaches and other kids (we were told to stay "in the vicinity"). So we're running together, in a sense.

The race he's doing also has a 5k that my sister in law is running and a half marathon for me. It'll be a family event.

Edgy MD
Jul 13 2012 10:30 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

metsmarathon wrote:
Edgy DC wrote:
My wife ordered a treadmill without consulting me. I spent two days putting it together and everything works... 'cept the motor.


YOU are the motor.

or it's broken. one of them.


Well, the motor's down there. And the power's operating because the display is coming on. So I opened up the motor case to examine the circuitry. Either the juice isn't getting from the wall to the motor (which isn't likely, as it's getting to the display panel) or the data isn't getting from the console display down to the motor. I'm afraid that stretching the circuitry is getting the juice up the infrastructure to the console, but not connecting back down from the console to the motor.

Maybe this should be in the Gadgets and Assembly Thread.

Mets – Willets Point
Jul 13 2012 10:34 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy
Jul 15 2012 09:47 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I ran one of my favorite local 5Ks today. Finished in 33:59:98, which I'll take in the heat and humidity. And it was a gun-to-chip finish, so I can probably knock off 15 seconds from that time. Slow as shit, I know, but good for me.

After some of the other races I've participated in recently, I especially appreciate the mundane things that went right in this race. Plenty of volunteers at the registration station. A well marked start and finish, marshals on the course and announcing the time at the one and two mile marks, water stations, plenty of available bathrooms (I could have used the food court, which would have been fine, but I snuck into the local hotel and used their's. Shhh - don't tell anyone). Plenty of water available before and after the race, and a post-race spread that included pizza and water ice (I partook of that) as well as fruit and energy bars (I skipped those, but appreciated their availability). A small shirt would have been nice, but at this point I don't really need any more shirts (and I can use the large tech shirt I received as a sleep shirt, at the very worst). Saw friends there and had a good time.

This is why I run. There is nothing quite like being able to participate in this kind of event.

Ceetar
Jul 15 2012 03:26 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:
I ran one of my favorite local 5Ks today. Finished in 33:59:98, which I'll take in the heat and humidity. And it was a gun-to-chip finish, so I can probably knock off 15 seconds from that time. Slow as shit, I know, but good for me.

After some of the other races I've participated in recently, I especially appreciate the mundane things that went right in this race. Plenty of volunteers at the registration station. A well marked start and finish, marshals on the course and announcing the time at the one and two mile marks, water stations, plenty of available bathrooms (I could have used the food court, which would have been fine, but I snuck into the local hotel and used their's. Shhh - don't tell anyone). Plenty of water available before and after the race, and a post-race spread that included pizza and water ice (I partook of that) as well as fruit and energy bars (I skipped those, but appreciated their availability). A small shirt would have been nice, but at this point I don't really need any more shirts (and I can use the large tech shirt I received as a sleep shirt, at the very worst). Saw friends there and had a good time.

This is why I run. There is nothing quite like being able to participate in this kind of event.


One of these days I'll actually run an event. Wussed out on the Giants one. There's a simple 5k as part of the Balloon Festival that I was thinking about. ONly ends up being like $20 more than admission anyway.

Fman99
Jul 15 2012 06:52 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:
I ran one of my favorite local 5Ks today. Finished in 33:59:98, which I'll take in the heat and humidity. And it was a gun-to-chip finish, so I can probably knock off 15 seconds from that time. Slow as shit, I know, but good for me.

After some of the other races I've participated in recently, I especially appreciate the mundane things that went right in this race. Plenty of volunteers at the registration station. A well marked start and finish, marshals on the course and announcing the time at the one and two mile marks, water stations, plenty of available bathrooms (I could have used the food court, which would have been fine, but I snuck into the local hotel and used their's. Shhh - don't tell anyone). Plenty of water available before and after the race, and a post-race spread that included pizza and water ice (I partook of that) as well as fruit and energy bars (I skipped those, but appreciated their availability). A small shirt would have been nice, but at this point I don't really need any more shirts (and I can use the large tech shirt I received as a sleep shirt, at the very worst). Saw friends there and had a good time.

This is why I run. There is nothing quite like being able to participate in this kind of event.


I love the races. Now that my sister in law has run a 5k (her first one, on July 4th) she is pressuring me to join her on future events that she is signing up for. Having friends in attendance who also run makes it more enjoyable as well -- you talk about where you felt good, where you hit the wall, this and that.

I'm running a 5k next weekend with my sister in law, then a weeknight 5k on Wednesday July 25th, and then a half marathon on August 9th (another weeknight race). Also possibly a four mile trail race on Saturday August 11th, if I'm not too gassed from that half. Then, the first killer stretch -- four straight weekends from August 25th - September 16th with at least one half marathon. Another run of four of them in late September/October.

themetfairy
Jul 15 2012 07:24 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Don't forget Trenton in November!

Fman99
Jul 15 2012 08:10 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:
Don't forget Trenton in November!


It's on my tentative list.

soupcan
Jul 22 2012 06:07 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I also posted this in the 'What Are You Reading?' thread.

Just finished this:



It's been out for a few years but I was just recently told about it. If you run, it's a must-read. Great book.

Born To Run

Fman99
Jul 22 2012 08:30 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Tied my 5k PR today with a 22:19 chip time, 33rd out of 213 runners and third in my ten year age bracket. Scored a nice medal in the process.

Fboy ran his first official race, a kids "fun run" 1k. He enjoyed it and finished in a cool 6:22.

soupcan
Jul 23 2012 08:31 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Responding to JCL from something we started in the 'What Are You Reading?' thread.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
No real insights. He seemed to think that a shoe that did less to "correct" my stride would be in order but I'm still in the same model I was in then. I'm about due for new kicks and may look into the free runners

In general, keep your calves stretched for achilles soreness and be patient because once they get sore they like to stay that way. That's all I got.


I have 2 pairs of sneaks that I run in - 4 year-old Nike Frees and I was thinking about replacing them but after reading 'Born to Run', I'm just going to run in them until they fall off. New Balance Minimus - which have almost no padding. I like these but they change my form a lot when I run so my calves are much sorer after using them. Eventually I'd like to run only in these but I've got to build to it to get my legs used to them.

The thing you said about the Achilles makes sense. I sense it getting a little better, but yeah it's been sore for a while and remains so. When you say 'keep your calves stretched' what do you mean? Like all the time? when I'm sitting at my desk, etc.?

soupcan
Jul 23 2012 08:32 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Fman99 wrote:
Tied my 5k PR today with a 22:19 chip time, 33rd out of 213 runners and third in my ten year age bracket.


Impressed and jealous.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 23 2012 08:48 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I try to do that stretch where you stand with one foot back and one forward and try to "push over the wall" (or counter or desk) wherever I get a chance (at work, while waiting for the elevator or for the Kuerig machine or microwave).

At met marathon's advice I picked up a "Strassberg sock" which I wore overnight when things were bad. It's a sock with a velcro strap at the toe that will keep your foot pointed up and definitely kept things from tightening overnight.

Ceetar
Jul 23 2012 08:48 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

soupcan wrote:
Tied my 5k PR today with a 22:19 chip time, 33rd out of 213 runners and third in my ten year age bracket.


Impressed and jealous.


I feel good about myself when I get to the 2mile mark at that time on the treadmill.

metsmarathon
Jul 23 2012 08:58 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I try to do that stretch where you stand with one foot back and one forward and try to "push over the wall" (or counter or desk) wherever I get a chance (at work, while waiting for the elevator or for the Kuerig machine or microwave).

At met marathon's advice I picked up a "Strassberg sock" which I wore overnight when things were bad. It's a sock with a velcro strap at the toe that will keep your foot pointed up and definitely kept things from tightening overnight.


i'm wearing hte strassberg sock at night now as well, in the hopes of resolving my heel spurs/plantar fasciitis. i haven't run a lick in july, and i'm not sure i'm getting much better. i think it's getting time to call a foot doctor of some sort.

soupcan
Jul 23 2012 09:32 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

metsmarathon wrote:
i'm wearing hte strassberg sock at night now as well, in the hopes of resolving my heel spurs/plantar fasciitis. i haven't run a lick in july, and i'm not sure i'm getting much better. i think it's getting time to call a foot doctor of some sort.



That's smart, just be careful...

I have what a podiatrist I went to called a 'nueroma' (some type of nerve cluster) on my left foot at the ball of it underneath the third toe. Really painful. Feels like the sensation of your foot being asleep - that pins and needles thing - but incredibly intensely and only on that toe.

Bought $675.00 orthotics (not covered by insurance) and went twice a month for 3 months to get shots of novocaine and alcohol into my foot (apparently to kill the nerve). Neither of that really helped. Podiatrist said that the next step is for him to cut my foot and remove the affected nerve/nerve cluster. My brother-in-law who is an anesthesiologist by trade and has a pain management practice in Brooklyn, said it didn't add up to him and told me to get an MRI. So he gets me the clearance for the MRI and it reveals, not a nueroma. It's bursitis. My next step now is to go to an orthopedist, bring him the MRI results and plead for a cortisone shot.

I figured while I'm there I was going to also ask for a cortisone shot in my Achilles. Do you guys have any experience with that?

themetfairy
Jul 23 2012 09:50 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Good luck with your injuries gentlemen!

I set out to do 10 miles today, but the heat and humidity kicked my ass and I was gassed after 10K. Walked/ran the rest of the way home and got in 8.8 miles overall.

My final half marathon is in just under 11 weeks. I keep telling myself that I have nothing to prove, the race has a 3.5 hour time limit, and all I want to do is finish and get my medal. But I'm hoping to be able to run the whole way if possible, so I'll try to get in 10 miles once or twice between now and then (but on cooler days!).

Ceetar
Jul 23 2012 09:58 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

soupcan wrote:


I figured while I'm there I was going to also ask for a cortisone shot in my Achilles. Do you guys have any experience with that?


was only a temporary solution for Ryan Howard and may have led to him completely tearing it.

Fman99
Jul 23 2012 11:24 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

soupcan wrote:
Tied my 5k PR today with a 22:19 chip time, 33rd out of 213 runners and third in my ten year age bracket.


Impressed and jealous.


Thanks man. I was hoping to break my PR as I was feeling strong, but this course ended with about a 1/3 mile uphill sprint. I didn't quite have enough to shave a second off my time.

Fman99
Jul 31 2012 08:16 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Low water mark for a month's mileage with just 61.6 in July (519.2 for the year thus far). This heat and humidity, and busy schedules running the kids around, has prevented me from getting more runs in as well as longer weeknight runs.

Given the choice between a 5-6 mile run, or a 4 mile run and then a quick dip in the park pool before it closes, and it's not much of a contest.

themetfairy
Jul 31 2012 08:43 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

104.86 miles in July.

I may be slow, but I churn out the distance.

TransMonk
Jul 31 2012 11:13 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Nearly 7.5 miles running in July. Still on the mend and hope to come back mid-August.

I did get 337 miles in via bicycle, though.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 01 2012 05:41 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

35 miles in July. My heel/achilles is still a mess, but I can do a few miles at a time slowly.

metsmarathon
Aug 01 2012 07:49 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

a big fat zero. nothing. no miles. a few trips around the softball diamond, but no sustained periods of running. fucking heel spurs. i see a doctor today.

themetfairy
Aug 01 2012 08:43 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

It's funny because it's true -

I'm Truly Sorry For This, But You're About To Hear All About The Last Marathon I Ran

themetfairy
Aug 01 2012 08:43 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

metsmarathon wrote:
a big fat zero. nothing. no miles. a few trips around the softball diamond, but no sustained periods of running. fucking heel spurs. i see a doctor today.


Best of luck with the doctor mm!

The Second Spitter
Aug 02 2012 07:25 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012


I did get 337 miles in via bicycle, though.


I did 690km on the bike in July. Still not back to full fitness.

This was my morning ride today, on my heavier bike with a bitter cross-wind and very angry.




Request: Can we please make this a general fitness thread rather a running specific thread? Please.

TransMonk
Aug 02 2012 07:27 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I'd be happy to post in a separate biking thread with you, SS. I bet JCL would join in, too.

Ceetar
Aug 02 2012 07:34 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Me and my wife keep saying we want to get bikes. We think it'll raise the floor of our fitness level because we're more likely to go out for even a casual bike ride. No idea what we're doing in purchasing one though, plus she's nervous about leaving it outside in the elements, but we don't have a choice.

I also use the bike at the gym occasionally when my feet hurt from the running/pounding.

TransMonk
Aug 02 2012 07:36 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I'm pulling the trigger on a new thread.

The Second Spitter
Aug 02 2012 07:38 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

TransMonk wrote:
I'd be happy to post in a separate biking thread with you, SS. I bet JCL would join in, too.


I know of at least two other guys on CFP who are avid cyclists too. However with a consolidated fitness thread we can discuss other forms of exercise too, like weight-training, swimming, triathlon, sports-related nutrition, etc. It's not like this is a high-volume thread anyway.

Edgy MD
Aug 02 2012 12:48 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Prospect gury Jonathan Mayo takes on ALS: http://minors.mlblogs.com/2012/08/02/so ... -baseball/

themetfairy
Aug 06 2012 02:13 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

For anyone thinking about the Trenton Half Marathon or 10K on November 10th - I have discount codes. Send me a message if you haven't registered yet!

themetfairy
Aug 10 2012 01:54 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

We're up to three Team McGraw members for the Trenton Double Cross Half Marathon/10K team on November 10th. Who wants to join us?

To register for the race, sign up here.

To join our Team McGraw team, register here

And if you don't want to or can't run but still want to help a sister out, please consider making a donation to my fundraising page.

Ya Gotta Believe!

Ceetar
Aug 10 2012 05:44 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

broken car and a cold, so first time at the gym in 8 days. a pound lighter and apparently about .15/mi faster. 3.1 in 36minutes.

my Achilles hurts now though. may be unrelated.

Fman99
Aug 10 2012 08:00 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Banged out half marathon #5 of 12 and of 2012 last night, running the Tromptown Half Marathon in a muggy 1:55:28. Out of 186 runners I finished 84th and 7th of 12 in my age group.

My slowest half marathon that was not run in a blizzard.

I had a plan going in, run somewhere around 8:45 per mile, and not overheat and/or over-exert myself with another race coming up tomorrow as well as a drive down to Queens for the game. I ran with a buddy of mine at a conversational pace and had a good time, finishing at a 8:49/mile pace.

After this weekend is a short break, then I have five straight weekends (Aug 26 - September 23) with at least one half marathon. I feel like I'm ready -- aside from a little muscle soreness and one angry toenail, I am feeling pretty good today.

themetfairy
Aug 10 2012 08:28 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Good work Fman!

Fman99
Aug 12 2012 07:11 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Followed up that half marathon on Thursday with a four mile race on Saturday, a combination where three of the four miles were run on local paved roads and one mile (the third) a hilly trail section. I liked the change in pace from roads to trails and back again.

I was not sure how much juice I would have in my step, just 36 hours removed from a 13.1 mile run, but I felt surprisingly bouncy. Ran it in 32:34, finishing 38th of 221 runners, and with no lingering soreness or ache from the previous half. Good signs.

TransMonk
Aug 13 2012 08:27 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

You are a running FOOL! Keep it up, man.

metsmarathon
Aug 13 2012 05:50 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

[like]

Fman99
Aug 13 2012 07:10 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Thanks boys. Aside from one purple under-the-toenail bruise, I am feeling tip top. Even the toe isn't bothering me directly, at least, not until mile 9-10 or so.

themetfairy
Aug 14 2012 04:15 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Great work Fman!

Ceetar
Aug 14 2012 06:33 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Fman99 wrote:
Thanks boys. Aside from one purple under-the-toenail bruise, I am feeling tip top. Even the toe isn't bothering me directly, at least, not until mile 9-10 or so.


I've got that from stubbing my toe on the ottoman. Pretty sure that's less impressive.

cooby
Aug 14 2012 09:39 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

soupcan wrote:
metsmarathon wrote:
i'm wearing hte strassberg sock at night now as well, in the hopes of resolving my heel spurs/plantar fasciitis. i haven't run a lick in july, and i'm not sure i'm getting much better. i think it's getting time to call a foot doctor of some sort.



That's smart, just be careful...

I have what a podiatrist I went to called a 'nueroma' (some type of nerve cluster) on my left foot at the ball of it underneath the third toe. Really painful. Feels like the sensation of your foot being asleep - that pins and needles thing - but incredibly intensely and only on that toe.

Bought $675.00 orthotics (not covered by insurance) and went twice a month for 3 months to get shots of novocaine and alcohol into my foot (apparently to kill the nerve). Neither of that really helped. Podiatrist said that the next step is for him to cut my foot and remove the affected nerve/nerve cluster. My brother-in-law who is an anesthesiologist by trade and has a pain management practice in Brooklyn, said it didn't add up to him and told me to get an MRI. So he gets me the clearance for the MRI and it reveals, not a nueroma. It's bursitis. My next step now is to go to an orthopedist, bring him the MRI results and plead for a cortisone shot.

I figured while I'm there I was going to also ask for a cortisone shot in my Achilles. Do you guys have any experience with that?


I do, in my toe that I finally got fixed. Worked fine for me for a few months, but you have to keep getting them until you finally decide to have surgery

metsmarathon
Aug 14 2012 11:13 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

two weeks ago, i went to a podiatrist for my foot.

first thing hte nurse tells me when i go in is, "whew, i feel your pain. i've been battling heel spurs for four years. it's been awful, but slowly getting better somewhat."

i think maybe they need to work on that sales pitch.

regardless, i got an x-ray of my foot and it showed no actual bony protrusion, so it's all soft tissue it seems. got a shot of cortisone in my foot, and that made things pretty happy. numb for a day, but otherwise happy.

i've also got a hard boot to sleep in (or to lay in bed with wishing i could go to sleep with this awful lcontraption strapped to me, though i'm getting more used to it) that does a lot of what hte strasburg sock does - keep the foot in flexion so that the plantar fascia heals in an elongated state. its actually more comfortable than the sock, i gotta say. that's faint praise indeed.

and they're ordering me up some orthotics as well.

my heel feels pretty good mostly nowadays. if i spend a lot of time on my feet, it'll start to feel more sore. i did a lot of walking htis past weekend and that didn't help, but this week and this weeked shouldn't be as bad. i'm thinking that once i feel like it's good to go, i'll give it another week, and then gradually start up with running. i anticipate by the end of next week i may clear myself to begin running again, but we'll see. i have a 10-miler in early october that i think i can still do so long as i can start running by the end of this month. muscle memory and latent ability and all that.

it helps that my softball season has wound down. in the last two games since the podiatrist appointment, i'd gotten replacement runner for when i get on base. in the last game, in my first two at bats, i drwew two walks (yes, i draw walks in slow-pitch work softball. i'm an obp machine) and knowing that i'd requested a replacement runner, was allowed not to physically trek to first. in my next at bat, i drove a screaming line drive the other way, right over the head of the right fielder, and ran all the way around the bases. not really sprinting, and not taking hte turns too hard so as not to needlessly stress my foot, but fsat enough that there was no throw home. i'm sure they were all thinking to themselves, "and he needs a runner why, exactly...?"

Fman99
Aug 14 2012 07:51 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

metsmarathon wrote:
two weeks ago, i went to a podiatrist for my foot.

first thing hte nurse tells me when i go in is, "whew, i feel your pain. i've been battling heel spurs for four years. it's been awful, but slowly getting better somewhat."

i think maybe they need to work on that sales pitch.

regardless, i got an x-ray of my foot and it showed no actual bony protrusion, so it's all soft tissue it seems. got a shot of cortisone in my foot, and that made things pretty happy. numb for a day, but otherwise happy.

i've also got a hard boot to sleep in (or to lay in bed with wishing i could go to sleep with this awful lcontraption strapped to me, though i'm getting more used to it) that does a lot of what hte strasburg sock does - keep the foot in flexion so that the plantar fascia heals in an elongated state. its actually more comfortable than the sock, i gotta say. that's faint praise indeed.

and they're ordering me up some orthotics as well.


I didn't even begin running until I got my first pair of custom orthotics in 2009 (those cost $400 but I was reimbursed later by my insurance company). Those were fitted by my previous podiatrist who told me straight out that I should not attempt running and just stick to elliptical machines instead.

When I was having issues under the ball of my foot last winter my new podiatrist (a runner himself) fit me for a newer pair. While I waited for the new orthotics, I was running with a cushion taped onto my old ones. It helped me enough to get me back on the road but I was doing a lot of icing the nights that I ran to reduce ache and swelling. Once the new ones came in, he jammed a cushion right in between the two layers of the right orthotic to combat the specific spot where I was aching.

The new orthotics cost about $500, but I was once again reimbursed for the cost. Totally worth it, too. All the pain I was having went away once I got the new orthos.

I feel your pain, man.

Do you think that running in the Five Fingers or the minimalist shoes you were using contributed to your injury?

metsmarathon
Aug 14 2012 09:24 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Fman99 wrote:
Do you think that running in the Five Fingers or the minimalist shoes you were using contributed to your injury?


the timing is certainly coincidental, but, no, i don't believe tehm to be a leading contributor.

it's actually been a long time since i'd worn the vff's as i didn't want to risk my calf, so those are fairly off the table. the kinvaras, on the other hand, are minimalist, but not overly so, in that they still have a heel drop (half the typical amount at 4mm) but they've still got a lot of cushioning. and my form and foot strike is no different in them than my prior asics.

i think what did me in was a combination of factors:

one, my calf injury. tight calf = tight achilles = extra stress on plantar fascia around the heel
two, lack of proper stretching. when i had been running, especially during work, i was foolishly not stretching immediately afterwards. i'd wanted to get a quick run in and be back sooner, and skipped 5 minutes of stretching. its an easy enough run, surely i thought, that i don't need to stretch. i know better, yet i frequently do this.
three, pre-existing condition. a few years back, i'd had plantar fasciitis flare up. i learned to stretch it, and had been doing a good job of it until just recently. incidentally, when that flared up on me, i had been going through a bit of stretch-skipping. yes, i struggle with repeating lessons learned.
four, shoes. after the tough mudder, i'd tossed my old shoes. bad move. i typically reserve my old runners for walking around in and for occasional wearings to work when i felt i could get away with it. in an effort to be less schlubbish, i decided not to press back into service my prior, hideously old and beat-to-shit runners. spending more time in formal shoes is always bad for me, as that was a leading contributor - to my mind - in my long ago onset of patellar tendonitis which is thankfully in remission.
five, lack of sleep. i don't get nearly enough sleep, and it shows in my poor injury recovery.

i think i could come up with a few more before i got to the point where a change in running shoe would start to be a leading factor. if i'd been running more in the vff's, sure, they'd be at the top of my list. but they've only got about 50 miles on tehm. and i don't think the kinvaras are doing it.

themetfairy
Aug 15 2012 04:49 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Best of luck mm!

The Second Spitter
Aug 18 2012 12:19 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

My running has totally gone to the shit. I haven't run in something like 10 months. I went for a run (seeing that I'm a bit bike-shy atm) and huffed and puffed to a 29-something 5k. It was effing excruciating. I don't get it, I cycle 250km a week at a brisque pace (when fully functional) but can barely run a 5k.

Is there any way I can be fit for 1/2 marathon on September 16 (other than injecting myself with mm's radioactively-treated dna?)

themetfairy
Aug 18 2012 05:06 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

The Second Spitter wrote:
My running has totally gone to the shit. I haven't run in something like 10 months. I went for a run (seeing that I'm a bit bike-shy atm) and huffed and puffed to a 29-something 5k. It was effing excruciating. I don't get it, I cycle 250km a week at a brisque pace (when fully functional) but can barely run a 5k.

Is there any way I can be fit for 1/2 marathon on September 16 (other than injecting myself with mm's radioactively-treated dna?)



I wouldn't recommend running a half marathon until you're more comfortable with the shorter distances.

The Second Spitter
Aug 18 2012 09:12 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Yeah, there's no way I'm gonna be fit for it. My body is still healing. Made a largish bet with a friend of mine for an unofficial duathlon -- the September 1/2 marathon + the Sydney to Gong Bike Ride in November. So we reached a compromise that I'll give him a 40 minute handicap for the bike ride. He did the bike ride in 3:35 last year, so I'm gonna have to cover the 92km in less than 3 hours.

Barring any further mishaps, I would rate myself 50/50 at this stage. Should be interesting.

Fman99
Aug 19 2012 08:47 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Enjoyed reasonably easy (8:45-ish) paced five mile runs on Friday afternoon and Saturday morning and enjoyed my last race-free weekend until November. The next ten weekends shape up like this:

Weekend of Aug 26: Half Marathon
Sept 2: Half
Sept 8: Half
Sept 16: Half
Sept 23: Half
Sept 30: 5k
Oct 7: Half
Oct 14: 15k
Oct 21: Half
Oct 28: 5 mile run

Going to log some miles this fall! Hoping for continued good health and injury free running.

metsmarathon
Aug 20 2012 10:17 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

The Second Spitter wrote:
My running has totally gone to the shit. I haven't run in something like 10 months. I went for a run (seeing that I'm a bit bike-shy atm) and huffed and puffed to a 29-something 5k. It was effing excruciating. I don't get it, I cycle 250km a week at a brisque pace (when fully functional) but can barely run a 5k.

Is there any way I can be fit for 1/2 marathon on September 16 (other than injecting myself with mm's radioactively-treated dna?)


going from near-zero to a half in a month is not a terribly good idea, though if you've got the fitness from all the cycling, you should probably be able to do it.

when you're running versus when your cycling, how does your breathing compare? i personally made huge strides in my running career when i was laid up due to injury, and was riding a bike a lot. i noticed that i was able to maintain a high level of effort on the bike with very controlled breathing, and hten i transferred that experience to running and my times dropped precipitously.

i surmise that, breathing aside, teh two biggest challenges from moving from all that biking to trying to run a half would be getting used to the pounding, and getting your lower legs used to the work load. plus, well, all the slight kinematic differences between running and biking.

i wouldn't recommend it, per se, but if you've already committed to the half, you can probably make it through. in this case, i would adamantly support the galloway method - routinely take walk breaks throughout the run so as to stave off fatigue and maintain a faster running pace longer. one way to do it would be to run 8 minutes, walk one minute, for the duration of your run. (galloway endorses 5/1, i always felt tlike that wasn't enough ruinning) if your watch has an interval timer, set it up to do this, and practice doing it in your long runs. alternatively, you could walk one minute at each mile marker. if the race you're doing has water stops by hte mile, this works out perfectly.

The Second Spitter
Aug 20 2012 07:06 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

metsmarathon wrote:
The Second Spitter wrote:
My running has totally gone to the shit. I haven't run in something like 10 months. I went for a run (seeing that I'm a bit bike-shy atm) and huffed and puffed to a 29-something 5k. It was effing excruciating. I don't get it, I cycle 250km a week at a brisque pace (when fully functional) but can barely run a 5k.

Is there any way I can be fit for 1/2 marathon on September 16 (other than injecting myself with mm's radioactively-treated dna?)


going from near-zero to a half in a month is not a terribly good idea, though if you've got the fitness from all the cycling, you should probably be able to do it.

when you're running versus when your cycling, how does your breathing compare? i personally made huge strides in my running career when i was laid up due to injury, and was riding a bike a lot. i noticed that i was able to maintain a high level of effort on the bike with very controlled breathing, and hten i transferred that experience to running and my times dropped precipitously.

= "metsmarathon" ]i surmise that, breathing aside, teh two biggest challenges from moving from all that biking to trying to run a half would be getting used to the pounding, and getting your lower legs used to the work load. plus, well, all the slight kinematic differences between running and biking.

i wouldn't recommend it, per se, but if you've already committed to the half, you can probably make it through. in this case, i would adamantly support the galloway method - routinely take walk breaks throughout the run so as to stave off fatigue and maintain a faster running pace longer. one way to do it would be to run 8 minutes, walk one minute, for the duration of your run. (galloway endorses 5/1, i always felt tlike that wasn't enough ruinning) if your watch has an interval timer, set it up to do this, and practice doing it in your long runs. alternatively, you could walk one minute at each mile marker. if the race you're doing has water stops by hte mile, this works out perfectly.




Thanks bro, I appreciate your advice.

A biomedical engineer was trying to explain the difference in running fitness and cycling fitness. The gist (from what I gathered) is apparently the harmonic frequency in your breathing varies because the difference in time between a "runner's cadence" and "cyclist cadence".

I remember when Lance Armstrong ran his first marathon he said it was the hardest thing he ever done (I think he barely broke 3 hours the first time).

Also I don't have a full range of motion in my elbow yet and that makes a world difference in running.

Ceetar
Aug 20 2012 09:58 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

here's the random run I did outside on Saturday. My shins still hurt today. oops. I even ran on a track for most of it.

The Second Spitter
Aug 21 2012 07:14 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Ceetar wrote:
here's the random run I did outside on Saturday. My shins still hurt today. oops. I even ran on a track for most of it.

Yeah, it may be an idea to rest. Persistent shin pain is persistent. You may have a stress fracture. I recommend that you cycle or swim until your shins heal.

Ceetar
Aug 21 2012 07:19 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

The Second Spitter wrote:
here's the random run I did outside on Saturday. My shins still hurt today. oops. I even ran on a track for most of it.

Yeah, it may be an idea to rest. Persistent shin pain is persistent. You may have a stress fracture. I recommend that you cycle or swim until your shins heal.


buying a bike is on my list of things to do (going on 9 months now)

I wish I had somewhere to swim. I enjoy swimming. I'd love to do my exercise via that.

i don't have a stress fracture, I have a fat body. :-D Now that I have my car back I can get back to the gym more regularly. tomorrow.

The time outside was on-par with my treadmill times, which is good I guess, I always feel like the walking outside between spurts slows me down, but i suspect i have a longer stride outside that makes up for it. Although it's hard to judge with all the zig-zagging in the GPS.

I can't quite figure out how the track works? how do I measure out a mile on it?

The Second Spitter
Aug 21 2012 08:28 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012


i don't have a stress fracture, I have a fat body. :-D Now that I have my car back I can get back to the gym more regularly. tomorrow. ?


This is why I suspect you may have a stress fracture (and I don't mean any disrespect). If not, it may be compartment syndrome, which is also potentially dangerous. Stick to running on treadmills for a while until your body becomes more comfortable with the stresses of running. But first rest for a month. Trust me, I've been through all these RSIs.

As for lifting weights, the 5/3/1 program Chad86 and I were discussing in the weight loss thread is great for losing weight.

Ceetar
Aug 21 2012 08:47 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012


i don't have a stress fracture, I have a fat body. :-D Now that I have my car back I can get back to the gym more regularly. tomorrow. ?


This is why I suspect you may have a stress fracture (and I don't mean any disrespect). If not, it may be compartment syndrome, which is also potentially dangerous. Stick to running on treadmills for a while until your body becomes more comfortable with the stresses of running. But first rest for a month. Trust me, I've been through all these RSIs.

As for lifting weights, the 5/3/1 program Chad86 and I were discussing in the weight loss thread is great for losing weight.


maybe, but I doubt it. It too closely mimics simple muscle soreness patterns. I do generally stick to the treadmill though. I just don't feel like I get the same level of calorie-burning/effort outside.

yeah, I don't know if a lifting program is right for me, as I don't keep to any sort of predictable or regular schedule. (and am not going to. I'm not willing to commit to scheduling something I hate to do) I do lift weights, almost every time I go to the gym, although usually only for 20-30 minutes.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 21 2012 09:02 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

When I think of shin pain it's shin splints I think of. Ice them after and Stretch. Those. Calves. Running on a more forgiving surface will also help probably.

Ceetar
Aug 21 2012 09:18 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
When I think of shin pain it's shin splints I think of. Ice them after and Stretch. Those. Calves. Running on a more forgiving surface will also help probably.


I didn't really stretch this time, beyond just walking/cool down. I usually do stretch + cold shower (which I need just to not get a headache)

I don't really exhibit any pain from the treadmill. Although it's probably time for new shoes. it's been a while, even just wearing them for 90 minutes at a time.

metsmarathon
Aug 21 2012 09:48 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Ceetar wrote:
I can't quite figure out how the track works? how do I measure out a mile on it?


1 lap of the track in the inside lane = 400 meters
1 mile = 1610 meters

four times around the track is close enough to 1 mile that the difference is accounted for by the fact that you're not running on the inside line the whole time.

otherwise you could judge the extra length of any of the outer lanes by the 400m start marks, and how far around the first bend they start. it goes without saying, the outer lanes on a track are farther around than the inner lane, which is 400m in length. unless the track is some weird non-standard distance, which is unusual.

Ceetar
Aug 21 2012 10:34 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

metsmarathon wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
I can't quite figure out how the track works? how do I measure out a mile on it?


1 lap of the track in the inside lane = 400 meters
1 mile = 1610 meters

four times around the track is close enough to 1 mile that the difference is accounted for by the fact that you're not running on the inside line the whole time.

otherwise you could judge the extra length of any of the outer lanes by the 400m start marks, and how far around the first bend they start. it goes without saying, the outer lanes on a track are farther around than the inner lane, which is 400m in length. unless the track is some weird non-standard distance, which is unusual.


Nah, looks standard. It didn't really matter *though would've been a good way to 'test' the GPS* but inside track is good to know, thanks.

The Second Spitter
Aug 21 2012 11:47 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
When I think of shin pain it's shin splints I think of. Ice them after and Stretch. Those. Calves. Running on a more forgiving surface will also help probably.


Most sports doctors I have seen have told me that "shin splints" isn't a medical condition, per se but rather a description of symptoms. It's usually either, RSI, compartment syndrome or a stress fracture.

Ceetar -- If it's just RSI, these will help you during your run and for recovery.

metsmarathon
Aug 22 2012 10:28 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

try strengthening your shins with toe raises.

sit down, feet flat on teh floor. with your heel in contact with teh ground, raise teh rest of your foot as high as you can by flexing your shin muscle, whatever it's called. hold for 2-3 seconds. repeat up to 10-20 times per foot, 2-3 sets at a time.

and since you're strengthing hte front of your leg, you might also want to do calf raises to strengthen up the back.

Fman99
Aug 22 2012 07:26 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Well, my fifth of twelve half marathons two weeks ago was a less-than-stellar (for me) 1:55:28. I ran it in about an 8:49 pace, and while I was also not pushing myself, due to the fact that it was a weeknight on a day when I worked and also drove an hour to get there, it occurred to me later that it was the slowest half I had ever run that was not also in a sideways snowstorm.

So I resolved to run the next several half marathons (five in the next five weekends, and seven of the next nine) at a better pace. I don't expect to best my PR 1:46:49 from last fall, done under near ideal conditions (flat track, familiar course, high 50's weather and weeks of prep), I do hope to maintain an 8:30 or so pace and be within striking distance of the 1:50:00 mark. For five straight weeks.

I am unsure of how I will be affected by the fact that I will spend all day Saturday at the great New York State Fair, on my feet, knocking back wine slushies and indulging in all kinds of Midway-featured delicacies. The perfect lead in for a 13.1 mile trot the following morning. Still, I ran 5.5 this afternoon at an 8:25 pace, including some trails and hills, and ran at a pace I felt like I could maintain for two hours.

Ceetar
Aug 23 2012 05:35 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I read somewhere that alcohol has no effect. So you should be fine. Especially since you train in that area too ;-)

Fman99
Aug 26 2012 01:56 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Mission accomplished thus far, finished half marathon #6 this morning in 1:48:36 chip time, 65th out of 333 finishers and 13th out of 52 in my ten year age bracket. I felt great today, tough course, not too hilly but very warm and a paucity of shade. Despite trudging around for 11 hours yesterday at the New York State Fair, drinking beer all day and wearing sandals the entire time, I was able to get out there this morning and give it a good go.

metsmarathon
Aug 26 2012 03:56 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Fman99 wrote:
Mission accomplished thus far, finished half marathon #6 this morning in 1:48:36 chip time, 65th out of 333 finishers and 13th out of 52 in my ten year age bracket. I felt great today, tough course, not too hilly but very warm and a paucity of shade. Despite trudging around for 11 hours yesterday at the New York State Fair, drinking beer all day and wearing sandals the entire time, I was able to get out there this morning and give it a good go.


that's a fantastic time in the half! nice work!

themetfairy
Aug 26 2012 05:43 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

WTG Fman - that's great!

soupcan
Aug 27 2012 02:38 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012




I posted this picture on Facebook a month or so back after I had acquired my Vibram ‘Five Fingers’. The impetus for me getting them was that I had just finished ‘Born To Run’ and was inspired by the story of the Terrahumera Indians and the fact that they can and do run incredibly long distances wearing simple sandals and suffer little to no injuries.

A large part of the book centers on how ‘modern’ running shoes over compensate and mask pain rather than correcting form.

Having been a runner on and off for most of the past 35 years and experiencing shin splints, Achiiles tendonitis, knee pain, bursitis in my feet and who the hell knows what else, I was looking for a simple, pain free way to run and at this point what do I have to lose?

So as of this writing I’ve gone from working the Vibram’s into my shoe rotation with my 4 year old Nike Frees and a pair of New Balance Minimus’ to almost solely running with the Vibrams.

By design I think the monkey feet just make you go slower - at least at first. There is no extra padding in the heel so that classic heel strike just doesn’t work anymore. You kind of have to prance, for lack of a better word, at first. It’s just a different sensation. Once you get moving though they become more comfortable and then sort of suddenly they start to just feel like your feet - which is cool.

Almost from the beginning I was feeling really good, maybe because I was going slower - but not that much slower. My legs felt springier and I had more energy all through the run. I am moving at a slower pace and my gait has definitely changed but the more I run in them, the quicker I’m getting.

Yesterday I ran 5 miles on paved roads and it was fine. In terms of discomfort, so far none of my old ailments have resurfaced. My bursitis is under control – and that is a huge deal for me because that was a daily thing that I had to deal with no matter what I was doing. My knees are fine and the Achilles problem – while still there – has definitely gotten milder. The one thing that I have experienced is a lot of calf soreness. Understandable. As I said, the shoes force you to move differently so I’m using different muscles, or at least the same muscles but in different ways. The soreness is very manageable though and as I am running in them more and more – like anything else – my body is getting used to it and I’m not as sore.

I’m not ready to say that these ridiculous looking things are the answer for me, my heels and toes are not 100% comfortable in the shoe, but so far, so good.

themetfairy
Aug 27 2012 03:16 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Glad to hear that they're working out for you!

I fear that I'd just feel too weird in them. But that's just me being too much of a head case to try something different - I'm glad that you're feeling good in them.

Fman99
Aug 27 2012 08:46 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

soupcan wrote:



I posted this picture on Facebook a month or so back after I had acquired my Vibram ‘Five Fingers’. The impetus for me getting them was that I had just finished ‘Born To Run’ and was inspired by the story of the Terrahumera Indians and the fact that they can and do run incredibly long distances wearing simple sandals and suffer little to no injuries.

A large part of the book centers on how ‘modern’ running shoes over compensate and mask pain rather than correcting form.

Having been a runner on and off for most of the past 35 years and experiencing shin splints, Achiiles tendonitis, knee pain, bursitis in my feet and who the hell knows what else, I was looking for a simple, pain free way to run and at this point what do I have to lose?

So as of this writing I’ve gone from working the Vibram’s into my shoe rotation with my 4 year old Nike Frees and a pair of New Balance Minimus’ to almost solely running with the Vibrams.

By design I think the monkey feet just make you go slower - at least at first. There is no extra padding in the heel so that classic heel strike just doesn’t work anymore. You kind of have to prance, for lack of a better word, at first. It’s just a different sensation. Once you get moving though they become more comfortable and then sort of suddenly they start to just feel like your feet - which is cool.

Almost from the beginning I was feeling really good, maybe because I was going slower - but not that much slower. My legs felt springier and I had more energy all through the run. I am moving at a slower pace and my gait has definitely changed but the more I run in them, the quicker I’m getting.

Yesterday I ran 5 miles on paved roads and it was fine. In terms of discomfort, so far none of my old ailments have resurfaced. My bursitis is under control – and that is a huge deal for me because that was a daily thing that I had to deal with no matter what I was doing. My knees are fine and the Achilles problem – while still there – has definitely gotten milder. The one thing that I have experienced is a lot of calf soreness. Understandable. As I said, the shoes force you to move differently so I’m using different muscles, or at least the same muscles but in different ways. The soreness is very manageable though and as I am running in them more and more – like anything else – my body is getting used to it and I’m not as sore.

I’m not ready to say that these ridiculous looking things are the answer for me, my heels and toes are not 100% comfortable in the shoe, but so far, so good.


If it keeps you on the road and active then it's a good thing. I am in the "don't break what ain't broken" school of thought, so I will continue with what I have been wearing, which has kept me nearly injury-free since I started running in 2009. The longest stretch I've gone since then without running, due to injury (or any other reason), was twelve days.

metsmarathon
Aug 28 2012 06:58 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

"prancing"

never thought of it that way. i mean, i don't disagree, its just that i don't think of my 6-1 200 lb frame and size 13 feet as prancing.

i can't wait to get back into my vibrams.

in my own experience, i'd found the lack of cushioning to not be too much of an issue until i got more than 5 miles of pavement in. i don't think they slowed my up too much when i started with them, though i didn't have to do anything to my form. but for a heel-striker, yeah, there's definitely a learning curve.

i'm a little concerned that i may aggravate whatever the hell is going on with my plantar fasciitis when i start back in with them, so they'll likely stay on the shelf for a good while longer. as it is, i'm hoping that if i start running this weekend, i don't piss anything off.

The Second Spitter
Aug 28 2012 10:44 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

metsmarathon wrote:


i can't wait to get back into my vibrams. do anything to my form.


I can't wait until you get back to your inbox!

(Was after the designs for the CPF running shirts.)

themetfairy
Aug 29 2012 06:22 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

The Second Spitter wrote:
metsmarathon wrote:


i can't wait to get back into my vibrams. do anything to my form.


I can't wait until you get back to your inbox!

(Was after the designs for the CPF running shirts.)


Speaking of which, cooler weather is coming - I'd love to order a long-sleeved CPF tee....

metsmarathon
Aug 29 2012 07:16 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

jeez, summer went by too quickly...

TransMonk
Aug 29 2012 07:25 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

5K last night. The first since mid-July. I don't hurt today so that's a good sign.

I'll try another 5K on Friday.

themetfairy
Aug 29 2012 08:49 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Welcome back TM!

themetfairy
Aug 31 2012 01:58 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

85.32 miles for August according to Nike+.

It's actually over 90 - I didn't have my watch on Wednesday when I ran a known 10K route. But 85.32 officially.

697.21 for the year so far; I'll see if I can get another 302.79 done in the next four months.

DocTee
Aug 31 2012 07:21 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

OK....

So I did a local 10K trail race in early June (the 2nd to be exact)....and nothing since. I had committed to be part of a 12-person, 194 mile relay at that time, but bowed out in early July....[url]http://www.ragnarrelay.com/race/napavalley/runner_chart


Turns out that I am back in as of this past Monday since of the team members dropped out owing to injury...so with less than three weeks to go before the race, and not having run in essentially three months, I need to gear up for a 24 hour realy with my part being 4 miles, 6.4 miles and 3.1 miles...that's 13.5 miles, or essentially a half-marathon.

I ran every day this week and am up to 3.1 miles in a cool 33:00 minutes....not blistering but not bad to go from couch to 5K in five days.

I'll stretch it out over the next two weeks and get this done. Half of me regrets doing this, but the bigger disappointment is not sticking to my running routine when I had the chance this summer.

Wish me luck!

Fman99
Aug 31 2012 07:41 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I ran 75.7 miles in August and that's not including a number of sessions on the elliptical machines. I am trying to work some other cardio into my routine to keep lean without the additional impact of running, given the stretch of races I am in the middle of.

So far in 2012 I'm at 594.8 miles. Puts me at a pace to end up with about 900 miles come year end. I'm good with that number.

themetfairy
Sep 01 2012 01:13 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

This morning my friend and I attended The Color Run. The Color Run is an untimed 5K race that features different colors being thrown at the runners at each kilometer - you start out in a white shirt, and by the end you're multicolored.

It's a fun concept, and my friend and I had a good time. Except for one thing - the traffic control. There was only one entrance/exit to the venue, and the backups were ridiculous; it took us close to two hours to leave the venue after the race, which was ridiculous. So for the logistics alone we probably won't do this one again.

Plus this is not an event for setting personal bests - there are staggered wave start times based on when you pick up your race bib, and a lot of walkers and strollers on the course. Getting a free lane is difficult and rare - this is a better event for a walker just getting into running than it is for a seasoned runner who is training for an event.

Fman99
Sep 02 2012 01:09 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Apparently the best race prep for the day prior to a half marathon is to spend several hours walking barefoot at a local water park and then stay out late drinking beer at a baseball game.

On four hours sleep, went out this morning and killed it at the inaugural 18.12 Challenge and Half Marathon in beautiful Sackets Harbor, New York. Set a new PR for this distance by over two minutes, finishing officially in 1:44:38 (a sub 8 minute/mile pace) and 15th overall out of 223 finishers for this distance (they had a few hundred also running a longer 18.12 mile distance, certainly helping my placing today). Unofficially, on my wristwatch, ran it as a 1:44:34. Beyond happy.

Earned two medals, one for finishing and another for winning my age group (technically 2nd, but the first in my age bracket was a top 3 overall finisher).



My best time and result this far for a half marathon. Great event, too -- nice course, great medals, ice cold water at the water stops, and a scenic finish along the shore of Lake Ontario.

themetfairy
Sep 02 2012 06:17 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Great work, my friend!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 02 2012 09:24 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I did around 47 miles in August. Running better but still slow.

metsmarathon
Sep 04 2012 07:15 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Apparently the best race prep for the day prior to a half marathon is to spend several hours walking barefoot at a local water park and then stay out late drinking beer at a baseball game.

On four hours sleep, went out this morning and killed it at the inaugural 18.12 Challenge and Half Marathon in beautiful Sackets Harbor, New York. Set a new PR for this distance by over two minutes, finishing officially in 1:44:38 (a sub 8 minute/mile pace) and 15th overall out of 223 finishers for this distance (they had a few hundred also running a longer 18.12 mile distance, certainly helping my placing today). Unofficially, on my wristwatch, ran it as a 1:44:34. Beyond happy.

Earned two medals, one for finishing and another for winning my age group (technically 2nd, but the first in my age bracket was a top 3 overall finisher).



My best time and result this far for a half marathon. Great event, too -- nice course, great medals, ice cold water at the water stops, and a scenic finish along the shore of Lake Ontario.


that is really beyond excellent, fman!

soupcan
Sep 04 2012 07:17 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Apparently the best race prep for the day prior to a half marathon is to spend several hours walking barefoot at a local water park and then stay out late drinking beer at a baseball game.

On four hours sleep, went out this morning and killed it at the inaugural 18.12 Challenge and Half Marathon in beautiful Sackets Harbor, New York. Set a new PR for this distance by over two minutes, finishing officially in 1:44:38 (a sub 8 minute/mile pace) and 15th overall out of 223 finishers for this distance (they had a few hundred also running a longer 18.12 mile distance, certainly helping my placing today). Unofficially, on my wristwatch, ran it as a 1:44:34. Beyond happy.

Earned two medals, one for finishing and another for winning my age group (technically 2nd, but the first in my age bracket was a top 3 overall finisher).



My best time and result this far for a half marathon. Great event, too -- nice course, great medals, ice cold water at the water stops, and a scenic finish along the shore of Lake Ontario.



Seriously. I'm really impressed. I'm running a 5K this Sunday and hoping beyond hope to run sub-9:00 miles.

You are the man!

metsmarathon
Sep 04 2012 08:28 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

also, i'm a big fat zero for august. maybe tomorrow i can run. we shall see. foot is feeling better, but not all the way better... meh...

TransMonk
Sep 04 2012 08:33 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I ran a total of 5K in August...but already have 10K under my belt for September. The leg is feeling better, so I'm hoping I can get back on track this month.

themetfairy
Sep 04 2012 06:23 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Check out The Paul Ryan Time Calculator.

Hey - I ran my marathon in 4:29:55!

Fman99
Sep 04 2012 06:52 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Thanks for the kind words, guys. I really surprised myself out there... it's amazing to think of the things that can be accomplished.

TransMonk
Sep 06 2012 03:52 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:

Looks like I'm doing one of these in mid-October.

themetfairy
Sep 06 2012 04:37 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Awesome TM!

Remember to bring a bandana to cover your nose and mouth.

And check out the parking situation; park where you can find the easiest egress possible (even if it's outside the venue). Not only did I have ridiculous post-race gridlock, but my daughter reports similar issues with a Color Run up in Massachusetts this past summer.

That said, have fun!

Fman99
Sep 06 2012 07:42 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Sorry, MF, but I won't be running that half with you in November. I have found my half marathon #12 for 2012, and it's in the Boston area. My wife's sorority sister from college lives nearby, and has two kids close in age to ours, and we haven't seen them in two years, so we're spending the Veterans' Day weekend in Massachusetts and I'll be running the Chilly Half Marathon in Newton, MA.

themetfairy
Sep 06 2012 07:59 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

No worries - we'll try to come up with a CPF race in 2013 though!

Fman99
Sep 06 2012 08:15 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:
No worries - we'll try to come up with a CPF race in 2013 though!


I like that idea. Maybe we can tie it to a weekend where there's a Saturday night home game, the Fman family all comes down for the game, and stays in a hotel not in Paramus (where my car got broken into last month) and we get up Sunday morning and crank out a 5k/10k/half/what-have-you.

themetfairy
Sep 06 2012 08:17 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Fman99 wrote:
No worries - we'll try to come up with a CPF race in 2013 though!


I like that idea. Maybe we can tie it to a weekend where there's a Saturday night home game, the Fman family all comes down for the game, and stays in a hotel not in Paramus (where my car got broken into last month) and we get up Sunday morning and crank out a 5k/10k/half/what-have-you.


That would be a great weekend :)

Ceetar
Sep 06 2012 10:13 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Fman99 wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
No worries - we'll try to come up with a CPF race in 2013 though!


I like that idea. Maybe we can tie it to a weekend where there's a Saturday night home game, the Fman family all comes down for the game, and stays in a hotel not in Paramus (where my car got broken into last month) and we get up Sunday morning and crank out a 5k/10k/half/what-have-you.


woah, crooks in Paramus? that's like..1 town over!

metsmarathon
Sep 07 2012 10:58 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

oh boy, i just ran two whole miles, and i didn't even die!

themetfairy
Sep 07 2012 11:01 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Welcome back mm!

Fman99
Sep 07 2012 07:24 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

metsmarathon wrote:
oh boy, i just ran two whole miles, and i didn't even die!


Good deal. Long(er) may you run.

Fman99
Sep 08 2012 01:19 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Well they can't all be record setters. Just six days after my last half, I slugged out a 1:53:30 or so today on a hilly, windy, muggy late summer morning. 110th overall and 8th in my age group, though I can't say out of how many finishers. Looking forward to an eight day break until my next half, the Delta Lake Half Marathon in Rome next Sunday.

themetfairy
Sep 08 2012 02:03 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I'd kill for that time - well done!

Fman99
Sep 08 2012 07:27 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:
I'd kill for that time - well done!


Thanks friend. Thanks to this race being on a Saturday, and the previous half on a Sunday, I did break my record for miles in a week this past week with 31.9.

Ceetar
Sep 09 2012 06:31 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Fman99 wrote:
, I did break my record for miles in a week this past week with 31.9.



are you sure no one's chasing you?

soupcan
Sep 12 2012 07:19 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Ran a 5K on Sunday and got a personal best.

I'm still an old, slow white guy but I was shooting for sub 9:00s and got it. Clocked three different times. My 'official time' was 27:06. My time on my Nike+ app was 26:45 and my time on my watch was something in between those. Either way I hit my goal. Yay me.

i'm definitely getting faster but its in tiny increments. Next race is the 5 mile Turkey Trot on Thanksgiving day. I run that one with my nieces and nephews who are all fit and in their 20's. I've never finished ahead of any of them....this year however may be a different story. Anything under 45:00 would thrill me. Secretly I'm hoping for 42:00.

Side note to that - When I ran that race last year I literally bumped into Chris 'Mad Dog' Russo in the pen after the race. I asked him how he did - my man ran something like 39:00 minutes for that 5 miler. Sub 8:00s. Not too shabby.

themetfairy
Sep 12 2012 09:47 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Great job Soup - I knew you were faster than me. WTG!

Fman99
Sep 12 2012 10:21 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

soupcan wrote:
Ran a 5K on Sunday and got a personal best.

I'm still an old, slow white guy but I was shooting for sub 9:00s and got it. Clocked three different times. My 'official time' was 27:06. My time on my Nike+ app was 26:45 and my time on my watch was something in between those. Either way I hit my goal. Yay me.

i'm definitely getting faster but its in tiny increments. Next race is the 5 mile Turkey Trot on Thanksgiving day. I run that one with my nieces and nephews who are all fit and in their 20's. I've never finished ahead of any of them....this year however may be a different story. Anything under 45:00 would thrill me. Secretly I'm hoping for 42:00.

Side note to that - When I ran that race last year I literally bumped into Chris 'Mad Dog' Russo in the pen after the race. I asked him how he did - my man ran something like 39:00 minutes for that 5 miler. Sub 8:00s. Not too shabby.


Nice work Soup!

DocTee
Sep 13 2012 04:48 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Race day tomorrow: 12 person team, 24+ hours, 196 miles. My contributions are a 4 mile run, followed by a 6.5 miler, then closing with 3.1 miles...http://www.ragnarrelay.com/race/napavalley

Sounded like a good idea, um, never. I really gotta learn to say no to some things.

themetfairy
Sep 13 2012 05:24 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Best of luck Doc!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 13 2012 05:53 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

DocTee wrote:
Race day tomorrow: 12 person team, 24+ hours, 196 miles. My contributions are a 4 mile run, followed by a 6.5 miler, then closing with 3.1 miles...http://www.ragnarrelay.com/race/napavalley

Sounded like a good idea, um, never. I really gotta learn to say no to some things.


Sounds like fun, anyway. How much time between legs?

DocTee
Sep 13 2012 06:00 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Too much-- we figured that it's roughly 7 hours, and that's a lot of down time. There are six runners in each of two vans, Van 1 departs SF at 730, and each of thier six members runs approximately 4 miles-- then they pass the figurative baton to Van 2 (1130?) and we go for the next 30 miles....rinse and repeat until all the miles are covered....so the first runner of the first van (and really, everyone else too)will have a long time between runs.. the middle leg looks to be the long one for most folks.

I'm really regretting this for three reasons: the long down time; the nighttime runs (which I never do-- and my 6.5 miler looks like it will start at just about midnight!) and the fact that some of the legs (like my first one) is through a pretty active town, with traffic-- meaning I'll have to avoid cars, pedestrians and wait for traffic lights. Ugh.

My guess is we start at 730 on Friday morning and end sometime near 4 on Saturday afternoon.

Fman99
Sep 13 2012 07:19 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

It sounds like fun -- a running friend of mine tried to get me to participate in one of these up in the Adirondacks later this month but I had already committed to running one of my many half marathons that weekend. Maybe in 2013.

metsmarathon
Sep 14 2012 06:25 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

well, i tried to convince people to do one of those this year, and it didn't really work out. mostly, i [crossout:2d4dzacr]got[/crossout:2d4dzacr] stayed injured and stopped pestering people.

maybe next year!

soupcan
Sep 14 2012 07:42 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

It does sound like fun - good luck Doc.

DocTee
Sep 15 2012 09:19 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

31 hours. 194 miles. 3 short naps.

Much more tomorrow, but I am toast. (our last runner was hospitalized with heat-related issues, but has been released and is resting home comfortably....as am I.....more tomorrow.)

This was a blast, but very very taxing.

themetfairy
Sep 15 2012 10:03 PM
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Rest up - I'm looking forward to hearing the details.

And thank goodness your teammate will be ok - that's scary!

DocTee
Sep 16 2012 12:46 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

So here goes...

Awoke Friday morning at 545 to meet my teammates. Van 1 went to SF at 530 for training and a 730 departure. I met my Van 2 teammates at 0800 and arrived at the first exchange a bit after 0900. we checked in, got our bibs, safety training and fill of a candy buffet, expecting our colleagues to arrive at about 1130. This was reasonably smooth, though thy could have used 50% more port-a-potties to accomodate the long lines and nervous energy. I was the first runner up from Van 2.

team One arrived slightly ahead of schedule- a race official was stationed a few hundred yards from the exhange point, and would radio the approach of the teams to give the next runner adequate time to get ready...Ragnar uses "slap bracelets" in place of batons, and they worked flawleessly. My run was through an upscale Marin county town. Very pleasant scenery, but way too many obstacles. After running just 1 minute I had to wait for a stoplight (and crossing against them would incur the wrath of race marshalls-- three infractions over the course of 194 miles and you are DQ'd). I then navigated women with strollers, men with dogs, teens with bikes and waiters with coffee before arriving at the next light (passing three or four runners in the process, Ragnar parlance for "raodkills" which are commemorated with tally marks on the side of your team van)...at this light I checked my time (bad idea)-- a sub 9:00 pace for 1.5 miles-- only 2.5 miles to go.

The path was generally well-marked, but I wish there were a few more to help navigate the way- and for someone used to running in a park path, I was slowed by having to constantly watch my footing (driveways, tree roots, broken sidewalks, etc)..came in at 42 minutes for the four miles....then turned it over to Runner 2 from my van and waited for 11 hours to run again.

We followed our team-members through the 25 mile course, arriving at our exchange at 415 (25 minutes ahead of schedule-- we had a freak on our team who put down two runs of over 9 miles each-- one at 7:30 the other at 6:58). We then went to the next station, and tried to catch some shut eye in the van or a local park but it was way too bright and noisy. PB&J sammies for dinner and off to run again at 1130.

This was my long leg, 6.6 miles. I felt strangely good and strong, considering I had no sleep, little food other than trail mix, and had never run at night. Again, through a town (Santa Rosa) and this meant dealing with bars emptying at 1200-- a bit disconcerting, particularly for female runners (and they were probably 75% of the contingent). The route was flat, but for the last mile, a hellish hill...Still, I put in a 10:00 pace so was ecstatic. Back to the van-- 20 minute naps were all I could muster, as my team slogged through the night, handing off to Van 1 at 500...then we went to our captains house and slept well for two hours, grabbing some coffee and Mcd's before starting up again at 0930.

My last run was a 3.1 miler through a local park-- very pretty and no heat at all. Turned in a 30:00 time and called it a race. My teammates had to run through oppressive heat, and our pace took a toll. We had hoped for sub 30 hours, but came it an 31-- a ten pinute average would have been 32 so we are reasonably happy (our initial projections were that we were a 9:15 average mile team).

Our last runner was an upper-50s woman, and recreational (as opposed to competitve) runner. The 5.5 miles were do-able, but the heat was not. She took close to 90 minutes to cover that leg, and staggered across the finish line-- the whole team does this together. A nice gesture but she was in serious need of medical care.

The race was a blast--- lots of silly costumes, funny people and very supportive atmosphere. I wish it was in April, though, since September is the hottest time of the year in this region. The heat was absolutely unbearable, and there was little to no cover or shade.

I'll post photos when they are available. I plan to do this again next year-- it's great for competitive runners, tough for recreational ones (some of the legs approach 10 miles)but a good time. I think a CPF team would be a blast-- there's a Ragnar in the DC area next weekend, and one in upstate NY the week after, and there are often temas looking for last minute runners to replace injured/sick teammates...

I'm very happy with my performance-- I ran essentially a 10:00 pace for half-marathon, and started training less than three weeks ago. A marathon I think is more physically taxing, but the sleep deprivation and constant motion of the van, plus the long long long delays between legs takes its toll too. I'm fatigued and a bit sore, and a little bit sad I didn't push a bit harder (there were some more potential roadkills I let get away) but proud of overcoming my fears and trying something new. And finishing.

themetfairy
Sep 16 2012 01:31 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Outstanding Doc - that's fabulous! And thanks for the descriptions and accounts of the race (looking forward to the accompanying pictures).

The only think keeping me from being a part of a CPF team is that I'm insanely slow (11-12 minute mile pace, in general), so I'd bring everyone down.

DocTee
Sep 16 2012 01:47 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I think certain folks would really really love Ragnar. I'm glad I tried it, and can now cross "Midnight Ten K" from my bucket list...

I was super impressed by the comraderie and sportsmanship I saw-- folks cheering on everyone, not just their teammates...offering water to competitors along the route, sharing food and first aid supplies at various exchange points, etc. There were some 4000 runners participating, and the logistics involved in organizing an event of this magnitude boggles my mind. Some folks have made a habit out of this, obviously-- going over the top with team names, costumes, van decorations-- this being our first go-round we were lame in that regards but next year...look out.

Not knowing him personally, I think FMAN would really be in his element here.

Fman99
Sep 16 2012 06:06 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

DocTee wrote:
I think certain folks would really really love Ragnar. I'm glad I tried it, and can now cross "Midnight Ten K" from my bucket list...

I was super impressed by the comraderie and sportsmanship I saw-- folks cheering on everyone, not just their teammates...offering water to competitors along the route, sharing food and first aid supplies at various exchange points, etc. There were some 4000 runners participating, and the logistics involved in organizing an event of this magnitude boggles my mind. Some folks have made a habit out of this, obviously-- going over the top with team names, costumes, van decorations-- this being our first go-round we were lame in that regards but next year...look out.

Not knowing him personally, I think FMAN would really be in his element here.


It does sound like fun, I admit.

Fman99
Sep 16 2012 06:08 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Knocked out half marathon #9 today in 1:51:46, a good 1:50 faster than I ran a week ago. Ran at a conversational pace with a buddy of mine who is running a full marathon in two weeks and was treating this as a warmup towards his race.

Perfect weather, beautiful scenery, running with friends, tough to beat. Next week is the fifth straight weekend with a half, after which I will run a few shorter races (5k's and 15k's) before half #11 on October 21st.

metsmarathon
Sep 16 2012 06:54 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:
Outstanding Doc - that's fabulous! And thanks for the descriptions and accounts of the race (looking forward to the accompanying pictures).

The only think keeping me from being a part of a CPF team is that I'm insanely slow (11-12 minute mile pace, in general), so I'd bring everyone down.


if i had been able to consider getting a team together for reach the beach nj (roughly equivalent to ragnar - 200 miles, two days, 14 runners) , i'd've been happy to have your pace in there. that might be a race for us to try to target next year. or river to sea.

i did 4.4 miles today myself, with hills and no walking. i'm progressing well, if timidly.

themetfairy
Sep 16 2012 07:39 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Great work Fman! WTG!

metsmarathon wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
Outstanding Doc - that's fabulous! And thanks for the descriptions and accounts of the race (looking forward to the accompanying pictures).

The only think keeping me from being a part of a CPF team is that I'm insanely slow (11-12 minute mile pace, in general), so I'd bring everyone down.


if i had been able to consider getting a team together for reach the beach nj (roughly equivalent to ragnar - 200 miles, two days, 14 runners) , i'd've been happy to have your pace in there. that might be a race for us to try to target next year. or river to sea.

i did 4.4 miles today myself, with hills and no walking. i'm progressing well, if timidly.


Welcome back mm - it's good to have you off the DL.

And we'll talk next year. I'd love to participate if you don't feel like I'd be bringing the team down.

Fman99
Sep 18 2012 06:29 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:
Great work Fman! WTG!

themetfairy wrote:
Outstanding Doc - that's fabulous! And thanks for the descriptions and accounts of the race (looking forward to the accompanying pictures).

The only think keeping me from being a part of a CPF team is that I'm insanely slow (11-12 minute mile pace, in general), so I'd bring everyone down.


if i had been able to consider getting a team together for reach the beach nj (roughly equivalent to ragnar - 200 miles, two days, 14 runners) , i'd've been happy to have your pace in there. that might be a race for us to try to target next year. or river to sea.

i did 4.4 miles today myself, with hills and no walking. i'm progressing well, if timidly.


Welcome back mm - it's good to have you off the DL.

And we'll talk next year. I'd love to participate if you don't feel like I'd be bringing the team down.


The web site says the team needs to average, as a team, in the 11 minute/mile range to finish on time. I think there are enough CPF'ers here who average a fast enough pace to compensate and keep the team average lower than that.

themetfairy
Sep 18 2012 07:03 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

If you guys don't mind my snail's pace, then I'm in!

soupcan
Sep 18 2012 07:35 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I'd like to do something like too, so if you're looking for participants you can throw my name in there.

themetfairy
Sep 22 2012 09:36 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

This isn't going to impress the speed demons, but this morning I had my best 5K since my 2010 glute injury. 32:06:54 - I am really proud of that!

Fman99
Sep 22 2012 08:35 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Nice work my friend!

Tomorrow marks half marathon #10 of 2012, and maybe more importantly in the short term, my fifth straight weekend running a half marathon. I'm feeling a bit fatigued of running races every week at this distance, as it's taxing to me, but after tomorrow I get a four week respite before my next 13.1 mile race.

Forecast is for cloudy, low 50's temps, wind and possible rain. I'm hoping for less of the latter two.

themetfairy
Sep 22 2012 09:31 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Thanks my friend, and best of luck tomorrow!

Fman99
Sep 23 2012 07:39 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Knocked it out of the box today, following up two over-1:50 halfs with a solid 1:46:17, an 8:07 pace. My second fastest ever at this distance, and this included a couple of decent hills and stretches of headwind.

Next half isn't for four weeks, though I have a 5k and a 15k in the interim. Feeling good, sore but satisfied.

themetfairy
Sep 23 2012 07:52 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Awesome work Fman!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 25 2012 12:50 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Fman99 wrote:
Knocked it out of the box today, following up two over-1:50 halfs with a solid 1:46:17, an 8:07 pace. My second fastest ever at this distance, and this included a couple of decent hills and stretches of headwind.

Next half isn't for four weeks, though I have a 5k and a 15k in the interim. Feeling good, sore but satisfied.


That's insane.

Just bought new asics 2170s today, retiring the 2160s after 11 months and ~600 miles.

New pair comes in awful electric blue color with red and neon green trim.

soupcan
Sep 25 2012 03:40 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I'm done giving kudos to Fman. I'm so impressed and jealous that I'm starting to really dislike him and his guitar. And his cute kids.

As to the color palette of your sneakers Lunchy - I hear you. I know it shouldn't be, but color is a big deal to me when buying shoes. If I can't get them in some combination of orange/blue/grey/black/white with orange being the mandatory color (for reasons I'm sure I don't have to explain) then they must be all black.

I just can't run around in electric blue/silver neon green/red/day-glo yellow, etc. just can't.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 25 2012 04:58 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

soupcan wrote:
I'm done giving kudos to Fman. I'm so impressed and jealous that I'm starting to really dislike him and his guitar. And his cute kids.

As to the color palette of your sneakers Lunchy - I hear you. I know it shouldn't be, but color is a big deal to me when buying shoes. If I can't get them in some combination of orange/blue/grey/black/white with orange being the mandatory color (for reasons I'm sure I don't have to explain) then they must be all black.

I just can't run around in electric blue/silver neon green/red/day-glo yellow, etc. just can't.


This from the five-finger shoe guy. Mine are awful but I'm thinking perhaps they're so dorky, they'll make me better by themselves. But I did refuse to try on a bright orange pair so I know where you're coming from.

Oh and I'm totally with you on the Fman thing. F that guy!

Fman99
Sep 25 2012 06:18 PM
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Thanks boys. Your thinly veiled sarcasm and/or jealousy is the best of presents.

Fman99
Sep 25 2012 06:58 PM
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These are my skips, by the way, Brooks Ravenna2's. They came out with the Ravenna3 and I tried them, they made my ankles hurt. I will continue to buy the Ravenna2's online until they are not available any more and then find a new brand.

They also come in a black and silver with red trim model that I've owned in the past. Better than the ghastly yellow/purple combo, anyway.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 25 2012 08:01 PM
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I had a bad experience with the Brooks Adrenaline, they fell apart on me too fast and my feet hurt all the time, so I didn't even try the Ravena altthough it was offered up today.

Gave some consideration to a Mizuno shoe which felt lighter than the Asics but the fit was snugger than I'd like. I also considered the higher-end Asics stability model, which had a luxurious interior but felt my middling recent performance didn't deserve luxury shoes. If/when my running improves and I stay healthy maybe. I also tried a New Balance shoe but that brand has gotten too into old-man walking shoes and stuff and lost its beliveability with me as a running brand. I know.

Here are the new uglies, just off their first 4 miles.

The Second Spitter
Sep 25 2012 08:53 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

This is the shoe I'm currently gay for. Unbelievable light. It's a fantastic compromise between the vibrams and proper running shoes.

davidayden399
Sep 26 2012 06:52 AM
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Ceetar wrote:

I wish I had somewhere to swim. I enjoy swimming. I'd love to do my exercise via that.

i don't have a stress fracture, I have a fat body. :-D Now that I have my car back I can get back to the gym more regularly. tomorrow.

I'm totally agree with you.Certain two facts on this post unequivocally the best we have all had.It's a great form of exercise and keeps your weight down.

metirish
Sep 26 2012 03:14 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

RuntasticPRO is available on Google Play store for 25c..........just a heads , no idea if it's any good.

themetfairy
Sep 30 2012 02:06 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

94.5 slow but steady miles for me in September.

themetfairy
Sep 30 2012 03:57 PM
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My friend and I ran the Tunnel to Towers 5K this morning. The logistics of getting to Brooklyn this morning were difficult (but for D-Dad driving us as a detour from his pre-Jets game tailgate party, I don't know how we would have gotten there), and the crowds were massive, but it was an amazin' experience. We retraced the steps of firefighter Stephen Siller, who ran through the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel on 9/11, where he perished. The tunnel was crowded and it was hot (not nearly as well ventilated as the Lincoln Tunnel), but the payoff was coming out of the tunnel and seeing 343 firefighters - each one holding a flag portraying one of the firefighters who perished in the World Trade Center. From there the run was more fun - up to the Esplanade, and eventually finishing on West Street. BTW, the post-race spread was massive - hot dogs, hamburgers, ribs, pizzas, coffee, donuts and more!

I'm not sure whether I'll be doing this race in future years - like I said, the logistics of getting to Brooklyn from NJ early enough for this one are difficult. But I'm really glad to have done it once - it was a memorable event.



I loved this sand sculpture that was at the finish line festival -

soupcan
Sep 30 2012 04:58 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

That's awesome.

themetfairy
Sep 30 2012 07:20 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Thanks soup - it was a cool experience!

Fman99
Sep 30 2012 07:22 PM
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Very cool!

I ran the Syracuse Festival of Races 5k this morning, for the third straight year. This race has the distinction of being the annual "Masters level" (i.e., runners 40 and over) national championship race, so it draws an elite crowd of former track stars and the like. It's a fast course and at the same time I finish lower in the standings here each year than I normally do, because of the level of competition as well as the fact that the men and women race separately.

Having said that, I ran it in my fastest time of the three years I've run it, after running a 23:00 in 2010 and a 23:14 last year in torrential rains, I finished today in 22:36 (chip time) to place 213th of 406 runners and 10th of 19 in my age bracket. I ran strong and felt good, coming off of five weeks of half marathons I was happy with the amount of burst I had.

Also, my sister in law's boyfriend ran his first race ever and promptly barfed at the finish line. Which I witnessed.

themetfairy
Sep 30 2012 07:24 PM
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Awesome work Fman!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 30 2012 09:20 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

63 miles in September. Still slower than I'd like and my distance per run still low, but getting there. Foot/heel/achilles threatens but is mostly manageable.

Biked a ton too, to and from work (7 miles a way) for 10 straight work days earlier this month.

metsmarathon
Oct 01 2012 06:46 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

37 miles in september. not yet ready to push the pace. need to run a ten miler in three weeks. then a trail half marathon a few weeks later.

soupcan
Oct 01 2012 07:23 AM
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Fman99 wrote:
Also, my sister in law's boyfriend ran his first race ever and promptly barfed at the finish line. Which I witnessed.


Noe THAT'S cool!

TransMonk
Oct 01 2012 08:36 AM
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I'm back after limping through May, June, July and August, I logged 49 miles (79 km) in September.

Mostly pain free and working on speed.

Fman99
Oct 02 2012 07:03 PM
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76.7 miles in September, spread out across just ten runs including four half marathons. Those long races actually hurt my overall mileage as I had to wait 4-5 days after half marathon before I felt enough bounce to go running again. Hope to get 80+ miles in for September, with some shorter races on the docket (including a weekend without a race for the first time since August 18/19).

Columbus Day weekend - no race
October 14 - A Run For Their Life 15k, race through downtown Syracuse to raise money for breast cancer research
October 21 - The Empire State Half Marathon, half marathon #11 of 2012 and the anniversary of my very first half, run last fall
October 28 - the Eastwood Park to Park Five Mile Run, a nice race through a different residential neighborhood of Syracuse.

themetfairy
Oct 02 2012 07:43 PM
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In 2010 I signed up for the Diva's Half Marathon on Long Island. But the long and short is that I was preparing for the NYC Marathon at the time, and when my schedule shook out that fall I felt like I had to drop the Diva in order to properly prepare for my one and only marathon.

I'm getting old and creaky and burnt out - I'm good with the 10K distance, but I'm at the point that I don't enjoy going much beyond that. However, I always regretted not running the Diva, because it looked like a lot of fun. When I saw that it was taking place on my birthday this year, that sealed the deal.

So I'll be running my final half marathon on Sunday. After that, I have a couple of bucket list races (the Fairmont to Fairmont in Bermuda and Bay to Breakers in San Francisco) that are in the 7.25-7.5 mile range, but I'll primarily be sticking to 10Ks or less. I'll still keep running, but I'm going to shift my focus to shorter races in interesting locales.

I think that this strategy will allow me to keep on running for a longer time, and that I'll enjoy it more.

Fman99
Oct 02 2012 08:47 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

That's a sound strategy.

I enjoy all of the different distances but this year has given me a new found appreciation for the half marathon. As a friend of mine (who is also on pace to run 12 of them this year) said, you have to respect the distance.

I like it because I feel like it's a proper test of my endurance, while, at the same time, within a few days I am close to full strength again. And yet, I won't run 12 of them next year. Of the ten I've done so far, though, I would likely go back and run at least a half dozen of them that appealed to me for one reason or another.

themetfairy
Oct 02 2012 08:57 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I definitely respect the distance. Which is why I don't want to just walk a half, or go into one without fully training for it. I'd rather retire from the distance than do it half-assed.

WTG on your progress towards 12 of them in one year - that is truly impressive!

Ceetar
Oct 04 2012 08:09 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

There will be a 5k funrun at the All-Star Game next year.

themetfairy
Oct 04 2012 08:36 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Ceetar wrote:
There will be a 5k funrun at the All-Star Game next year.



Seriously?

Details, please!

Ceetar
Oct 04 2012 09:27 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
There will be a 5k funrun at the All-Star Game next year.



Seriously?

Details, please!


I don't have details. If you click through the 'volunteer for the ASG' link on mets.com somewhere, it mentions the run.

All-Star Game Charity 5K & Fun Run - The 5K and Fun Run is a charity race to help raise awareness and funds for the fight against cancer. In 2012, over 8,000 fans of all ages participated in the event that raised over $200,000 for the cause. As a volunteer, you will help with setup, registration, water stations, medal distribution and serve as event guides to direct people to their final destination.


themetfairy
Oct 04 2012 10:29 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Awesome - I'm definitely up for that!

metsmarathon
Oct 04 2012 10:34 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

yes. very much will i be there.

themetfairy
Oct 04 2012 11:10 AM
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We should all be there, in our CPF Running Club shirts!

(Oh btw mm - what about those long sleeved tees, now that the weather is getting colder....)

metsmarathon
Oct 04 2012 11:12 AM
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i was just thinking the same thing... with luck, by tonight i should be able to post a link to a fancy long sleeve t-shirt.

themetfairy
Oct 04 2012 12:38 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
i was just thinking the same thing... with luck, by tonight i should be able to post a link to a fancy long sleeve t-shirt.


Awesome - thanks :)

Ceetar
Oct 09 2012 09:11 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

ooof..advil-defying evil post-workout headache. Guess I pushed myself too hard.

Fman99
Oct 10 2012 07:56 AM
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Banged out 7.4 miles in 60:09 yesterday. Could not ask for better running weather. This is my favorite time of year to run. Took this shot at the park where I go a few minutes after I finished (Instagram helped).

Ceetar
Oct 10 2012 08:05 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Nice. is that you running by the tree there?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 10 2012 08:16 AM
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This Sunday at 1 pm is the annual Krazy Kowalski Showdown in Greenpoint. Easy course, great post-race spread with beer, and the event that re-started my running career 5 years ago.

[url]http://www.gettothepoint5k.com

Fat JCL (right) distracted by Krazy Kowalski's maniacal charge to the finish line in 2007

Fman99
Oct 10 2012 08:22 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
Nice. is that you running by the tree there?


Nope, that is some other runner whom I do not know. There were probably fifty other people running besides myself out there yesterday (not to mention bikes, rollerblades, walkers with dogs, etc.).

Fman99
Oct 13 2012 09:29 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
This Sunday at 1 pm is the annual Krazy Kowalski Showdown in Greenpoint. Easy course, great post-race spread with beer, and the event that re-started my running career 5 years ago.

[url]http://www.gettothepoint5k.com




"Good luck against that crazy Pol-ACK there, mister."

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 14 2012 06:17 PM
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Crushed a bunch of Poles today. Got off fast and maintained a 7:02/mile pace, finishing the 5K in 21:49, which I'm pretty sure is my modern-era record at that distance.

It was a good day to run, not too hot, a little tailwind for the first half of the course and little people traffic since I started near the front this time. I was also getting in good condition to do this race, being down 15 pounds from last year at this event, when I struggled to a 24:04 finish on a hot day. Good thing is I am confident I could have gone faster. Bad thing is that even with my strong showing only finished 16th in my 40-49 age bracket when I thought I might get a medal. Was 79 of 450 overall. Winner did it in 15:40 (5:03 mile).

Lunchpail, who is 6, absolutely smoked the field in his 50-yard dash, this kid has serious wheels. Will be fun to watch if he can apply himself to do longer distances; he says he wants to but at the moment hasn't done more than 1 mile with me.

Oh, I won a 6-pack of Brooklyn Lager in a bib drawing at the afterparty.

themetfairy
Oct 14 2012 06:40 PM
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Awesome job Bucket family!

Fman99
Oct 14 2012 07:22 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Crushed a bunch of Poles today. Got off fast and maintained a 7:02/mile pace, finishing the 5K in 21:49, which I'm pretty sure is my modern-era record at that distance.


Impressive work! You're a good 25 seconds faster than my 5K PR right there, I'd like to someday get under 22 minutes for that distance.

I ran a 15k in a cold, steady rain today, the 2nd annual Carol M. Baldwin Run for Their Life Breast Cancer Run. A beautiful tour of the Syracuse area, running through a couple of different neighborhoods and across the Syracuse U. campus. This was my first time running this event.

Weather could have been nicer, and was, by about 2 PM today. This morning, it was pretty crappy, though it let up after about mile 4 or so. I ran with two friends of mine, one of whom routinely runs sub 6 minute miles, and another who routinely runs sub 7's, but both of whom are running full marathons next weekend and dialed it back today. We ran 8 minute miles, basically, finishing in 1:16:27 for a course that measures 9.4 miles as per my friend's Garmin.

Finished 63rd out of 310 runners and 11th of 30 in my age group. Set a 15k PR by 23 seconds, and my previous PR was run in July in near-ideal conditions and on a much flatter course. I felt great today, despite the rain.

Half marathon #11 of 2012 is next Sunday.

Frayed Knot
Oct 14 2012 08:04 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Y'know the best way to finish closer to the top of your age group? ... Be at the younger end of that age group.
Nothing like being 31/41/51 to help you kick the asses of all the 39/49/59 year olds.

Fman99
Oct 14 2012 09:08 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Frayed Knot wrote:
Y'know the best way to finish closer to the top of your age group? ... Be at the younger end of that age group.
Nothing like being 31/41/51 to help you kick the asses of all the 39/49/59 year olds.


I will get back to you on that... I am four months shy of age 40.

metsmarathon
Oct 14 2012 09:10 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Y'know the best way to finish closer to the top of your age group? ... Be at the younger end of that age group.
Nothing like being 31/41/51 to help you kick the asses of all the 39/49/59 year olds.


the solution is 200-300 person fields with 5 year age groups.

Frayed Knot
Oct 14 2012 09:19 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Still have to be good to place yourself at the top of a group but look at it this way, your competition is about to get older a whole lot quicker in the next six months than you will.
As golfer Lee Trevino put it many years ago when asked if he was going to continue to play on the regular PGA Tour when he turned 50 y/o or move to the Senior Tour as soon as eligible; "Why compete against the flat bellies" he said, "when you can go up against the round bellies instead?"

Fman99
Oct 14 2012 09:42 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
the solution is 200-300 person fields with 5 year age groups.


What I've noticed is that the best bet on winning medals, trophies, prizes, etc. for placing in age group is this, plus, also, picking events where there are two different races and then choosing the shorter distance, as the best athletes will generally choose the longer run.

My friend, same age as myself, came in 3rd in age group today in the same event's 5k, with a time a good 90 seconds slower than my personal best, because so many runners in our bracket were running the 15k instead.

Frayed Knot
Oct 15 2012 07:43 AM
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My father, who got into the running boom back before there even was a running boom*, used to enter about every organized race on Long Island between the Queens line and the east end including the occasional team-triathlon; one where one guy runs, one swims, and one bikes.
So he called me one day to say that his team had taken 1st place at a TT in their age group: Men over age 180 (aka: three 60+ dudes). He later confessed that the fact that they were the only entrant in that age group tilted the odds somewhat in their favor.

His other age-group story involved a really good local runner about his age who happened to be a priest, and everyone in that age group knew that if Father Whoever showed up to a particular run that few in that category had much of a chance at keeping up. So the solution to improve your standing in his group: sign up for all the Sunday races when the racing priest couldn't attend.



* It's hard to remember now how weird a guy running along the side of the road looked to most people in the pre Jim Fixx era. That pops was given to doing his jogging in electric orange sweatshirts or in lime-green tights (often together) certainly didn't help dissuade on-lookers that he was an escapee from some local in-patient facility.
As time went on though and many of the other men in the neighborhood were turning 50 and being told by their doctors to put down the cigarettes, cut back on the beer, and lose 20 pounds suddenly that whacko artist down the street wasn't so weird after all. Before long they'd have huge contingent from the neighborhood with matching shirts at each local run.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 15 2012 07:53 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Eh, my best shot at bling is to finish under 20 minutes. Even if I make my own 5-year category I'm youngest in I'm still too slow.

Farmer Ted
Oct 15 2012 12:05 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Good wheels, Lunchie!

Fman99
Oct 21 2012 07:43 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 21 2012 08:25 PM

Half marathon #11 of 2012 in the books, this one holding a special place for me. I ran the second annual Empire State Half Marathon this morning, which was a year ago my very first half marathon. A year later, and an additional 11 half marathons in the books, it felt good to come back and run the half that started it all. I ran well today, finishing in 1:45:21 chip time, 181st overall out of 1350 finishers and 20th of 60 men in my five year age bracket. This was my second fastest half ever, and also an 88 second improvement upon my time from last year's running of the same course. The wife even came out with the kids to cheer me in at the finish line.

More than that, it was a celebration for me. This event has quickly become one of the marquee races in the Syracuse area and I had many friends running the full or half marathon, some of which doing their first attempt at either distance. It's also a course that runs within a mile of my house, and over park roads where I run all year, so I feel very much a sense of hometown pride as so many folks come in from out of town to participate in this one.

In 2013 I intend on attempting the full marathon distance for the first time and I've already earmarked this race as my first full marathon.

themetfairy
Oct 21 2012 07:54 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

WTG Fman - that's truly fabulous work!

The one bit of advice that I have for you in marathon training is to start looking into in-race nutrition. You can run a half without the need for gel packs, etc., but over the course of a full marathon you need to replenish your glycogen. Try out different brands, flavors, etc. to see what you digest best and what works best for you.

Congrats on what you've done, and all the best with your new challenge!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 21 2012 08:58 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Half marathon #11 of 2012 in the books, this one holding a special place for me. I ran the second annual Empire State Half Marathon this morning, which was a year ago my very first half marathon. A year later, and an additional 11 half marathons in the books, it felt good to come back and run the half that started it all. I ran well today, finishing in 1:45:21 chip time, 181st overall out of 1350 finishers and 20th of 60 men in my five year age bracket. This was my second fastest half ever, and also an 88 second improvement upon my time from last year's running of the same course. The wife even came out with the kids to cheer me in at the finish line.

More than that, it was a celebration for me. This event has quickly become one of the marquee races in the Syracuse area and I had many friends running the full or half marathon, some of which doing their first attempt at either distance. It's also a course that runs within a mile of my house, and over park roads where I run all year, so I feel very much a sense of hometown pride as so many folks come in from out of town to participate in this one.

In 2013 I intend on attempting the full marathon distance for the first time and I've already earmarked this race as my first full marathon.


Good luck with the marathon. Not like you have anything left to prove at 13.1.

metsmarathon
Oct 22 2012 12:49 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

awesome run! anything i can do to help the full-marathon-training cause, let me know.

the nutrition advice is a keeper. find what you [crossout:1ssepp79]like[/crossout:1ssepp79] [crossout:1ssepp79]tolerate[/crossout:1ssepp79] can stomach, and get used to it. don't leave it up to the marathon gods that the race will have just what you want just when you need it. the marathon gods are a fickle lot.

themetfairy
Oct 22 2012 02:02 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Also, good socks are almost as important as good shoes. Don't go cheap, and use this year to figure out the kind that work best for you (how thick or thin, etc.).

Fman99
Oct 22 2012 06:29 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Thanks all. I plan on taking advice from those of you who have been there, done that.

I did learn, running these 13.1 races, to get some nutrition in me mid-race. My snack of choice this year was Sport Beans -- chewy and tasty and very portable. I would generally put two packets in my pockets, one in each, and alternate, taking two of them every ten minutes or so from about the 30 minute mark on and then upping it to 2-3 beans every 7-8 minutes for the last four or five miles. They did the trick, in that I noticed more fatigue in the first few races in which I neglected to use them, or went instead with the kids' fruit snacks or some other lightweight treat.

Having said that, I wouldn't want to rely solely on beans for four hours. So I'll have to start trying the gels and goos. I've never bothered with them because I haven't gotten past the idea that I'm eating toothpaste out of the tube. Many of my running friends swear by them. I'd just as soon get a lightweight pack and bring PB&J sandwich wedges to eat mid-race. I don't know if that's feasible or adequate nutrition for that distance though.

I do also have a preferred running sock -- I've had minimal foot/toe issues in my races this year. One blackened toenail and a few callouses, but no blisters or recurrence of the plantar warts I dealt with years back.

themetfairy
Oct 22 2012 07:31 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

When I was training, I kept a spreadsheet and tried a variety of different brands of gels and different flavors. I kept track of how they felt, how they tasted, and how they digested. See whether you like the caffeinated ones, or if you're better off with the decaffeinated ones and supplementing with caffeine (either in liquid form or a tablet).

You also have to consider salt and/or electrolytes - not so much for the race, which will be in the cooler weather, but for your training. Plus if you train with them, then you'll know how to handle it if next October is unexpectedly warm.

The problem with something like a PB&J is that it takes more time to digest than the gels, so it doesn't replace your lost glycogen as quickly or efficiently. Which doesn't mean that you can't have a snack on the course, but that should be a supplement to the gels.

BTW, D-Dad had pretzels for me on the course when I ran my marathon, which was very helpful. He held up a large Team McGraw sign held up on a pole, which made it easy for me to find him at our designated meeting spots.

I used to use Sports Beans, which are great, but over time I discovered that I prefer Chomps. Again, with a year to train, you have the opportunity to try out all of the different options out there and see what works best for you.

metsmarathon
Oct 23 2012 10:09 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

i tend to save the sports beans for emergency reserve - when i'm in the last mile or two of a LSD marathon training run and my body is starting to bonk. then, taking one or two at a time and just having a steady supply of salty sugary treat sustain me 'til the end.

gu (my preferred gel) i use about every 5th mile (40-45 minutes) on the long runs to recharge/replenish. i prefer the blueberry pomegranate rocktane version hte best, and can also hack the tri-berry, and occasionally the orange. everything else is nasty, i think. i think i like the berry flavors because they are inherently refreshing, and aren't too awful to linger.

but yeah, test everything, and try out everything. it's like college all over again, but probably with fewer lesbian orgies, unless your training goes really, really well.

...

pbj would almost be perfect, but i think it'd be asking for cramping. might be just a tad too heavy and end up as lump of lead in your gut. plus, you'd have no way to avoid having peanut butter covering your entire body. though, that could also be just like college all over again.

oh, and run where you know you can find a restroom, or a porta-potty. and if there's water fountains readily and regularly available, score! my lake has both on its general loop, though they're only open on hte summer months, so i don't always need to carry hydration with me.

Ceetar
Oct 23 2012 10:18 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

on the peanut butter and jelly, maybe a protein bar type thing? less quantity but still can get all the goodness too. I've taken to eating a Lara Bar, which I even actually enjoy the taste of, for breakfast. I think it even has a peanut butter and jelly variety. (I had peanut butter cookie today)

warning, this fruit and nut bar may contain nuts

themetfairy
Oct 23 2012 10:36 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I trained for the Marathon on GU Vanilla. But at some point after the Marathon I hit a wall with that flavor, and now I can't touch it. D-Dad likes the Vanilla, though - he keeps some in his golf bag.

GU Plain has a light, semi-chocolatey taste.

I'm a fan of the GU Chocolate Mint and the GU Chocolate Outrage, as well as the Rocktane Chocolate Raspberry. I don't particularly love the Peanut Butter, but it gives me hope that one day GU will come out with a Chocolate Peanut Butter variety.

My memory is that Powerbar Gel is more liquidy than GU; I personally don't like the consistency, but I have friends who do. Hammer and Clif Shots are pretty good.

It's like shoes - the only right choice is the one that works best for you.

metsmarathon
Oct 23 2012 11:31 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Ceetar wrote:
on the peanut butter and jelly, maybe a protein bar type thing? less quantity but still can get all the goodness too. I've taken to eating a Lara Bar, which I even actually enjoy the taste of, for breakfast. I think it even has a peanut butter and jelly variety. (I had peanut butter cookie today)

warning, this fruit and nut bar may contain nuts


keep in mind that whatever you carry on you, you have to carry on you. it will get bumped and bounced, squished and squashed, warmed and moistened. a bar will probably get beat to tar. especially if it has any meltability. it's not bad to bring one if you don't mind carrying it, but really, teh gels are the way to go. they can get stashed anywhere, in a pack or in a pocket, and aren't terribly noticeable.

i used to run with a powerbar, i think, and stopped after a while as they just turn unpalateable. plus they're freaking huge, and you don't want to down the whole thing, so you end up stuffing a chewy, stickey, foilwrapped mess back int your pack, and it never really gets unsticky.

the little powerbar bites are pretty good, in truth, but nothing beats a gel for ease of use and convenience.

when you run the marathon, you want to carry as little as possible. gels facilitate this better than anything.

my first experience with powergel was with a flavor that made me think i was eating unminty toothpaste. i can't go back to them ever.

Ceetar
Oct 23 2012 11:56 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

metsmarathon wrote:
keep in mind that whatever you carry on you, you have to carry on you. it will get bumped and bounced, squished and squashed, warmed and moistened. a bar will probably get beat to tar. especially if it has any meltability. it's not bad to bring one if you don't mind carrying it, but really, teh gels are the way to go. they can get stashed anywhere, in a pack or in a pocket, and aren't terribly noticeable.


I can't ever imagine myself running for long enough to need something, but I think the Lara bar at least is pretty sturdy if you're looking for more food/less gel options. Ingredients: dates, peanuts, sea salt. It's fairly small, maybe twice the size of one of those trapezoidal erasers. Probably would get sticky, but not unmanageably so. It's working pretty well as breakfast for me in terms of energy and hunger.

Frayed Knot
Oct 24 2012 12:52 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I'm on the mailing/email list for Performance Bike Shops (I know, a shocker, right?) and the most recent one I received is advertising a special on 'Gu' gels, a 24 pack for $19.99. They claim the regular price for that amount is $35 - I never priced the things myself so maybe that's inflated to begin with.
Unfortunately it's only a limited time offer and only for in-store purchases not good via on-line orders and there aren't any of the actual brick and mortar stores in the northeast.

They list the flavors as:
Vanilla Bean
Chocolate Outrage
Mandarin Orange
Espresso Love ... (you know I'm crazy for the girl)
Strawberry Banana Peanut Butter

They also specifically mention that the first four contain caffeine, which I guess implies that the last does not.

themetfairy
Oct 24 2012 01:00 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I'm on the mailing/email list for Performance Bike Shops (I know, a shocker, right?) and the most recent one I received is advertising a special on 'Gu' gels, a 24 pack for $19.99. They claim the regular price for that amount is $35 - I never priced the things myself so maybe that's inflated to begin with.
Unfortunately it's only a limited time offer and only for in-store purchases not good via on-line orders and there aren't any of the actual brick and mortar stores in the northeast.

They list the flavors as:
Vanilla Bean
Chocolate Outrage
Mandarin Orange
Espresso Love ... (you know I'm crazy for the girl)
Strawberry Banana Peanut Butter

They also specifically mention that the first four contain caffeine, which I guess implies that the last does not.


Strawberry Banana and Peanut Butter are two separate flavors, and they don't contain caffeine.

$19.99 for 24 gels is a good deal - anything less than $1 per gel is a good price.

themetfairy
Oct 31 2012 05:28 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

103.55 miles in October, despite the hurricane.

Take that, slackers!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 01 2012 07:12 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I clocked 75, best month since January as my foot/achilles are mostly better.

Only weeks after purchasing those ugly 2170s (replacing 2160s, 2140s, etc) I opened WIRED mag to a full-page ad heralding the whole line is "new and improved" and rechristened as GT-2000.

TransMonk
Nov 01 2012 07:53 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Great job, guys!

I ran a puny 21.7 miles in October. I got an infection after my wisdom teeth came out, so that sidelined me for the middle of the month.

but, I'm committed to finishing strong this year.

Fman99
Nov 01 2012 09:00 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

70.1 miles in October and 746 so far in 2012. Feeling good.

themetfairy
Nov 05 2012 10:57 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

You know, a cool long-sleeve tech shirt would come in really handy on these cold mornings....

metsmarathon
Nov 05 2012 11:15 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

wow. only 39 miles in october, 25% coming in one race.

i need to run more. and play around on a simple website.

themetfairy
Nov 10 2012 02:11 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I have indeed retired from running half marathons. But today was the inaugural Trenton Double Cross Half Marathon, and I signed up to run the related 10K race.

Since this was close to home, I decided to form a Team McGraw team for the race. We were a small but mighty team, and three of us raised $1,385 for the Tug McGraw Foundation!

This was an inaugural race, and it wasn't without its glitches. My hubby was able to get us a good parking spot (basically by ignoring all of the official communications), and the race start was seriously delayed (45 minutes for the half marathon, and another half hour after that for the 10K). But the pros outweighed the cons - there was a great race shirt (most are pretty run of the mill, but this one is fitted and really looks great!), beautiful views on a great course, cool race medals, and a post-race party that included quality beers on tap for the finishers (and since one of my friends didn't want her beer, I traded her an extra philly pretzel for her coupon. I had a Blue Moon and a Shock Top ). And since it was a local race, I had a chance to see a lot of friends there :)

Here's a funny side note to the race - part of the reason I was so excited about this was that the route goes over the Trenton Makes Bridge. There used to be a 5K that crossed this bridge, but they discontinued it right when I started to get into running. So for years I had been looking forward to running over the bridge, and when I got on it I immediately hated it! It's a metal grate, and below your feet you can see the Delaware River, which freaked me out. After the race, my friend pointed out that we were lucky that it was a dry day, because that surface could get very slippery when wet. So I satisfied my urge to run over this historic bridge, and I have no desire to ever do it again.

Ya gotta love a finish line that crosses home plate (ignore the clock - that was for the half marathoners. The 10K started later, and I finished it in 1:10:12) -



Do I look freakin' happy in this photo or what?



Our Little Team That Could, representing Team McGraw -

Fman99
Nov 12 2012 08:17 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Nicely done TMF! My sister in law just finished her first 10k yesterday, in a similar timed 1:12. She then declared it to be her new favorite distance.

I remain partial to the half marathon. And I should know, having completed all twelve of my "Twelve Halfs in 2012" challenge.

Lake Effect Half Marathon 2/25/2012 Onondaga Lake Park, Liverpool, NY 1:58:28
Skunk Cabbage Half Marathon 4/1/2012 Ithaca, NY 1:48:21
Habitat for Humanity Half Marathon 4/15/2012 Hamilton, NY 1:51:54
National Distance Hall of Fame Half 5/20/2012 Utica, NY 1:49:11
Tromptown Half 8/9/2012 DeRuyter, NY 1:55:28
Turning Stone Races 8/26/2012 Verona, NY 1:48:36
18.12 Challenge Half 9/2/2012 Sackets Harbor, NY 1:44:34
ARC Race 9/8/2012 Onondaga Lake Park, Liverpool, NY 1:53:34
Delta Lake Half Marathon 9/16/2012 Rome, NY 1:51:46
Fabius Bread Run Half 9/23/2012 Fabius, NY 1:46:16
Empire State Half Marathon 10/21/2012 Onondaga Lake Park, Liverpool, NY 1:45:21
Chilly Half Marathon 11/11/2012 Newton, MA 1:46:18


I finished this challenge yesterday, in beautiful Newton, Massachusetts. Finished in 1:46:18, my fourth fastest half of the year, 220th overall out of 1086 finishers and 41st of 133 runners among those in my age bracket (ten year, so among males 30-39). I needed to go find a half on the road as I had exhausted the local options, so we made a family trip out of it. We visited with a college friend of my wife, and her husband and kids, and I ducked out yesterday morning for a quick 13.1 through beautiful neighborhoods in the Boston suburbs. A well done race, nice long sleeve tech tee and gloves to all finishers, and delicious post race snacks (mini bacon/cheddar quiches!).

More than that, I set a goal late in 2011 that seemed, at the time, audacious, or at least ambitious, and then followed through by doing it this past year. I was more proud to finish more than half of them in sub 1:50 times, and also to not get injured in the process.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 12 2012 08:57 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

You crazy

themetfairy
Nov 12 2012 09:25 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Awesome work Fman - that's fabulously impressive!

themetfairy
Nov 17 2012 07:56 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I set myself a goal of running 1,000 miles as timed by my Nike+ watch for the year (i.e., treadmill runs don't count. I know there's a way to time treadmill runs with the watch, but I never bothered to figure out how).

I'm now at 952 miles for the year.

I think I'll make it :)

TransMonk
Nov 17 2012 08:16 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

WTG!

themetfairy
Nov 17 2012 09:03 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Thanks :)

Fman99
Nov 17 2012 08:32 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Nice work TMF! I am at 811 miles for 2012, I think I will end up in the 900's somewhere when all is said and done.

I have taken the plunge, officially, and I am signed up for my first full marathon, Memorial Day weekend 2013, in Ottawa. At least 3 of my regular running club friends will also be making the trip, all of whom are people I enjoy running with and talking to and all of whom have run marathons before. Should be a hoot.

soupcan
Nov 18 2012 05:40 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

That's great Fman.

I hope to be at that point in my own running some day soon.

Fman99
Nov 18 2012 08:01 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Thanks bud.

Another running milestone for the Fman family this weekend... after training for it since late summer, my son ran and completed his first 5k today in 43:45. We took walking breaks for 45-60 seconds, every 7-8 minutes, but ran a steady pace in between. He was proud to have finished an adult race and he's earned himself a pair of high end running shoes from the local Fleet Feet.

He did indicate to me, afterwards, that he still prefers running the track to running outdoors. Which is fine -- he and I will make a Sunday morning trip to the YMCA track a new weekly routine.

Here is he, right of center in an orange top and black pants, sprinting to the finish line. I am behind him in the brighter orange, I ran the entire race with him but let him sprint to the finish line in front of me.

themetfairy
Nov 20 2012 08:35 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Nice work Fboy! Maybe he'll be my running partner for a race next year :)

I put in a relaxed 10K this morning, on the theory that getting out for long runs over the next few days may be tricky since I'll be hosting a house full of people. It was a nice, brisk sunny day - perfect running weather :)

I could have used a nice, long-sleeved t-shirt, though....

metsmarathon
Nov 21 2012 09:58 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012



http://myraceragz.deco-apparel.com/desi ... /692597628

themetfairy
Nov 22 2012 05:42 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Awesome mm - Thank You!!!

themetfairy
Nov 28 2012 07:09 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I set myself a goal of running 1,000 miles as timed by my Nike+ watch for the year (i.e., treadmill runs don't count. I know there's a way to time treadmill runs with the watch, but I never bothered to figure out how).

I'm now at 952 miles for the year.

I think I'll make it :)


Set a goal, meet that goal -

TransMonk
Nov 28 2012 07:34 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Very awesome!

themetfairy
Nov 28 2012 07:48 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Thanks TM. I'm the spokesperson for slow but steady

metsmarathon
Nov 28 2012 08:05 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

excellent work!

as the spokesperson for the extremely delicate, i'm at about 524 miles for the year. i'm hoping to hit 600 for the year.

themetfairy
Nov 28 2012 08:36 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

524 delicate miles is pretty impressive.

May 2013 be the year you regain health and mileage!

TransMonk
Nov 30 2012 07:32 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Good news: November was the first month of 2012 that was completely pain free for me while running.

Bad news: November was the first month of 2012 that was completely pain free for me while running.

55.92 miles (90 km) in November. 236.7 miles so far in 2012. Looking to finish strong and get to 300 miles for 2012 by the end of December. Not the goal I set back in January...but good enough given my time on the shelf.

themetfairy
Nov 30 2012 09:06 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Glad to hear that you're finally running pain-free again TM - just in time to get ready to run around after MiniMonk when his/her time comes :)

I logged 111.28 miles for November. This is likely my last month of big mileage - I'm going to be incorporating some treadmill incline runs in the coming weeks, and more treadmill runs in the cold and icy weather; I know there's a way to get those miles logged on the Nike+, but it seems like too much of a bother. Besides, next year I'll be joining a gym so I can do more in the way of cross-training - I'm starting to feel my age, and mixing things up a bit seems like the right move at this point. So I'm assuming that this is my last month as the CPF Monthly Mileage Queen, and I'm happy to be going out on a solid note.

metsmarathon
Nov 30 2012 09:17 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

unless we start adding some female runners to our little group here, you've a better shot than the rest of us at retaining your title!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 30 2012 09:36 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Good news was I checked again on my times for that 8K I did Saturday and by chip time, I improved by 5 seconds on last year's race, making 38:31 my new best at that distance.

Bad news is that I haven't run since then, been to busy buying new refrigerators and traveling for work.

I finished with 60.3 miles for the month and 510.5 for the year. Will really need to hit the road to make 600 for this year.

themetfairy
Nov 30 2012 09:46 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

metsmarathon wrote:
unless we start adding some female runners to our little group here, you've a better shot than the rest of us at retaining your title!


I assume I'll be replaced by a King....

metsmarathon
Nov 30 2012 11:15 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

6 miles today brings me up to 49 for the month, 534 for the year.

Fman99
Nov 30 2012 01:27 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

79.9 miles for November, and that's all accomplished prior to this past Monday as I had flu-like symptoms all week and have not run since then. At 838.7 miles for the year thus far, with a very decent chance to get to 900 for 2012.

themetfairy
Dec 04 2012 06:34 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

My progress on the Nike+ watch since I bought it in July 2011 -

metsmarathon
Dec 04 2012 06:54 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

spooky!

Fman99
Dec 08 2012 07:30 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

The local 2012 road race season concluded for me today with the "It's a Wonderful Run" 5k in Seneca Falls. Thought to be the inspiration behind Franz Capra's "Bedford Falls" from the movie "It's a Wonderful Life," the town has gone out of its way to play up the similarities and make it part of a tourist-draw weekend in the area. The 5k starts on the bridge thought to be the one that inspired the famous scenes in the film.

I ran like crud, for me. Still quite bronchial and starting too far back in the pack (2700 finishers!), I labored to a 23:57 finish, my second slowest time for a 5k this year (only being slower on a trail run in July when I was also ill). Still good enough for 303rd overall and 22nd of 93 in my age bracket.

Finished the year having run 248 miles of races over 31 events -- twelve half marathons, one ten miler, two 15k's, one 7.77 mile race, one 10k, one 5 mile race, one 8k, two 4 mile races, and ten 5k's.

themetfairy
Dec 08 2012 09:40 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I'd kill for your slow times....

Ran The Big Chill 5K at Freakin' Rutgers today. I first ran that race shortly before applying to Library School, and it has become one of my favorites. I ran it with a bunch of my Tracey Women friends, and had a nice time. Just much, much slower than Fman's run (35:34.79).

metsmarathon
Dec 09 2012 11:51 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

jeez, 31 races in a year. that's freakin' amazing.

the most i can confirm for a given year is 19 for 170 miles in '08.

bmfc1
Dec 09 2012 01:13 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I ran the "Jingle All the Way 8K" this morning in DC. I was pleased with my 48:09. Too many turns around traffic cones which slowed up the crowds. Also, too many runners there to show off, running in Santa outfits (one guy juggled while he ran), elves outfits, etc., but a nice race mostly on Pennsylvania Avenue.

Fman99
Dec 09 2012 07:37 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

bmfc1 wrote:
I ran the "Jingle All the Way 8K" this morning in DC. I was pleased with my 48:09. Too many turns around traffic cones which slowed up the crowds. Also, too many runners there to show off, running in Santa outfits (one guy juggled while he ran), elves outfits, etc., but a nice race mostly on Pennsylvania Avenue.


Nice work!

bmfc1
Dec 09 2012 07:44 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Thank you fman99, but in the time it took me to run and then relax today, you would have run a half-marathon and a 5K... backwards.

themetfairy
Dec 09 2012 08:16 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

bmfc1 wrote:
Also, too many runners there to show off, running in Santa outfits (one guy juggled while he ran), elves outfits, etc., but a nice race mostly on Pennsylvania Avenue.


You know you're a real runner when the non-runners on the course annoy you ;)

That said, it sounds like a fun event :)

bmfc1
Dec 10 2012 06:17 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy wrote:
You know you're a real runner when the non-runners on the course annoy you ;)
That said, it sounds like a fun event :)


It was but I don't understand spending $35 and getting up early on a Sunday to goof off. You can wear a clown outfit later in the day for less money.

themetfairy
Dec 10 2012 08:50 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Was the $35 benefiting a charity? Perhaps these were benevolent bozos?

bmfc1
Dec 10 2012 09:29 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Good question... and that would be a good name of a fantasy team, "Benevolent Bozos."

themetfairy
Dec 10 2012 10:25 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

themetfairy
Dec 13 2012 06:12 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012



http://myraceragz.deco-apparel.com/desi ... /692597628


As with the singlets, these shirts are REALLY comfortable, and they look great. Thanks again for doing this!

themetfairy
Dec 16 2012 05:40 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

This morning I ran my final race of the year, the Hot Chocolate 5K on Roosevelt Island. I was happy to have chosen the 5K instead of the related 10K - the longer race started a half hour later, and the 5K ended right before the weather started turning bad.

Roosevelt Island is picturesque, and the course is very flat. Despite warnings of a muddy stretch because of Hurricane Sandy forced re-routing, there were no issues on the course.

Having had a Starbucks latte before the race was a good move - I ran the course in 34:02. While that wasn't my fastest race of the year, it was good enough to earn me 3rd place in my age category (women 50-59) out of 20. Had I known that earlier, I would have stuck around for the awards ceremony.

Here I am with my friend Coop, prior to the start of the race -

themetfairy
Dec 31 2012 08:26 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

I finished December with 84.91 miles, and the year at 1,091.47. Mind you, these are the miles that the Nike+ watch recorded - it doesn't include treadmill runs or runs when the watch was broken and I was awaiting a replacement (I missed recording at least one 10K run and a few 5Ks). Plus I didn't really start using the watch regularly until well into January.

The bottom line - not bad for an old gal!

TransMonk
Dec 31 2012 09:33 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Great job, MF!

I finished December with 22.37 miles giving me 269 miles for the injury plagued year.

I'm setting a 500 mile goal for the new year.

themetfairy
Dec 31 2012 10:59 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Injuries suck TM - here's to a better 2013!

metsmarathon
Dec 31 2012 11:43 AM
Re: Running Thread 2012

it took a snowy 12-miler on saturday, but i hit 67 miles in december, and an even 600 miles for the year. it was kinda fun running in hte snow, even though the eventual 2" accumulation made the last few miles of uphill running a little adventurous.

hopefully, in the new year, i can shake off my plantar fasciitis, stave off any other stupid injuries, and finally get over that thousand mile mark again.

Fman99
Dec 31 2012 01:56 PM
Re: Running Thread 2012

Knocked out 3.6 miles in the snow this morning to finish at 75.1 miles for December and 913.9 miles for 2012. That's 120 miles more than I ran in 2011 which I am pretty proud of.

The goal for 2013 is to run my first two full marathons, one in May and the second in October. Also, training for two full marathons should make it fairly easy to cross 1000 miles for the year, I expect to be closer to the 1100-1200 range actually.