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Rubin Bomb

Edgy MD Jan 18 2012 08:41 AM

Adam Rubin decided last night to go on an absolute Twitter tear, documenting Mets injury diagnostic and treatment issues, mixing fact with opinion, and known stories with new revelations. There's a comprehensive story in here, although he's certainly written it's like before, trying to outline the pattern in the noise, but here he just pours out the noise and lets you draw your inferences. It's like sports journalism as performance art in 140-character pieces. Amazin' Avenue screengrabbed it all (though it remains up) chronologically, top to bottom. Several regimes are represented --- as far as doctors, managers, and rehab trainers that have come and gone.

Ceetar Jan 18 2012 08:43 AM Re: Rubin Bomb

Prompted, apparently, but his disagreement over the way Alderson represented the handling of the Ike injury. (And full of the 'reporter as medical expert' stuff we were talking about in the other thread)

Edgy MD Jan 18 2012 08:47 AM Re: Rubin Bomb

Sure, but the misdiagnosis --- and the counterproductivity of the boot --- seems to be public knowledge, rather than merely a fan's opinion. It certainly seems to be an open question how costly that was and how incompetent it was --- and there's some level at which we shouldn't ever be taking initial diagnoses as fact --- but Sandy seems to be denying a misdiagnosis ever took place.

Edgy MD Jan 18 2012 08:52 AM Re: Rubin Bomb

I thought the real meat here was Rubin going all Rippy Ripstein on a late-night bender. I like the whole Jeckyl/Hyde thing he's got going here --- respected as the most competent pro on the beat, soberly giving the fans the facts and letting them sort them out, but with this furious opinion monster bubbling under the surface, liable to come out at any given moment. A public insult, an ill-timed mix of medications, and ADAM SMASH!

metirish Jan 18 2012 08:52 AM Re: Rubin Bomb

"Ryan Church says to Brian Schneider "your knee looks swollen. Go see the trainer". Schneider to Church "They don't want to hear it" never heard this before........the Church debacle will live long in the memory though.

Ceetar Jan 18 2012 08:53 AM Re: Rubin Bomb

Edgy DC wrote: Sure, but the misdiagnosis --- and the counterproductivity of the boot --- seems to be public knowledge, rather than merely a fan's opinion. It certainly seems to be an open question how costly that was and how incompetent it was --- and there's some level at which we shouldn't ever be taking initial diagnoses as fact --- but Sandy seems to be denying a misdiagnosis ever took place. Except why was it misdiagnosed? This happens all the time, everywhere, where doctors don't think to get a certain test to check for a certain problem because the symptoms often hint at a more probable problem. The same with Santana. Him throwing a bullpen session was part of the way they figured out what was actually wrong. Did Rubin expect Santana to say "My Anterior Capsule feels like it's torn." Were trainers supposed to determine this, not common, injury by poking and prodding him and his vague descriptions of where the pain was?

Edgy MD Jan 18 2012 08:56 AM Re: Rubin Bomb

Ceetar wrote: Except why was it misdiagnosed? This happens all the time, everywhere, where doctors don't think to get a certain test to check for a certain problem because the symptoms often hint at a more probable problem. And I think I acknowledged as much in my second paragraph, didn't I?

Ceetar Jan 18 2012 09:02 AM Re: Rubin Bomb

Edgy DC wrote: Ceetar wrote: Except why was it misdiagnosed? This happens all the time, everywhere, where doctors don't think to get a certain test to check for a certain problem because the symptoms often hint at a more probable problem. And I think I acknowledged as much in my second paragraph, didn't I? Yes, but I think going off on Alderson like it's spin because he didn't come out and claim it was an obvious screwup in process to put him in the boot is a little excessive.

Edgy MD Jan 18 2012 09:09 AM Re: Rubin Bomb

Well, I don't know where we are. If you're saying I went off, I didn't. If you're saying Rubin went off, I took note of his excesses, and made that the theme of my presentation. I disagree that stating the treatment was correct when it appears to be public knowledge that the initial treatment was incorrect isn't spin. I don't think it's terrible, but it's spin. What's spin is spin Though perhaps not a sin

Ceetar Jan 18 2012 09:12 AM Re: Rubin Bomb

Edgy DC wrote: Well, I don't know where we are. If you're saying I went off, I didn't. If you're saying Rubin went off, I took note of his excesses, and made that the theme of my presentation. I disagree that it isn't spin. I don't think it's terrible, but it's spin. Rubin, not you. It's obviously spin, but he's the GM, not the beat writer. He's never going to be completely honest and he's always going to twist things. Is Rubin expecting him to give intricate details about everything?

metirish Jan 18 2012 09:13 AM Re: Rubin Bomb

If only Rubin were the GM.

Edgy MD Jan 18 2012 09:19 AM Re: Rubin Bomb

Ceetar wrote: Yes, but I think going off on Alderson like it's spin because he didn't come out and claim it was an obvious screwup in process to put him in the boot is a little excessive. Ceetar wrote: It's obviously spin, but he's the GM, not the beat writer. The italics are mine. They're, like, my-talics. So we agree that Sandy's spinning there and we agree that Rubin's over-the-top. Cool.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 18 2012 09:23 AM Re: Rubin Bomb

I got no issue with Rubin crusading for whatever truth he sees out there but he's so godamn sour about it these days. If they lie, say they lie, as soon as he starts chastising them for it it gives people like Ceetar reason to doubt him and discount his truthiness. He could probably use an assignment on a new beat for a season or two.

Ceetar Jan 18 2012 09:24 AM Re: Rubin Bomb

Anthony Rieber of Newsday uses the phrase "fully diagnosed" which I think is a little more clearly representative of what was going on. Is it a calf strain? nope, looks like it's the bone/ankle. Boots not working, Aha! Cartelidge. The good news is he can pull a 200pound sled with his ankle now. Rubin lamented he wasn't working the minors during his last twitter-fit last week. Maybe someone should just hire him to do a scouting job at this point.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 18 2012 11:10 AM Re: Rubin Bomb

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: He could probably use an assignment on a new beat for a season or two. This. Or, like, a month in Tahiti, tweeting about young natives.

Ceetar Jan 18 2012 11:20 AM Re: Rubin Bomb

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: He could probably use an assignment on a new beat for a season or two. This. Or, like, a month in Tahiti, tweeting about young natives. well who _couldn't_ use that?

Edgy MD Jan 18 2012 11:54 AM Re: Rubin Bomb

Getting picked up, with Rubin being half the story: [list][*]Business Insider: "A Sportswriter Snapped On Twitter And Revealed The New York Mets' Secret History Of Mistreating Injuries."[/*:m] [*]Deadspin: "The Mets’ Colossally Inept Medical Staff, Exposed In A Beat Writer’s Twitter Rant."[/*:m][/list:u]

G-Fafif Jan 18 2012 11:59 AM Re: Rubin Bomb

J.J. Putz: "Doctors advised J.J. Putz to have bone chips removed from elbow, which would've cost 6 weeks. Mets said shoot him w/ cortisone. He tore UCL." Billy Wagner: "Mets exec calling Billy Wagner a wimp for complaining of elbow discomfort during sim game in Pittsburgh. Wagner needed Tommy John surgery." Ryan Church: "Thanks for reminding me about Ryan Church flying from Atlanta to Colorado with concussion. He said he felt like boater bobbing on Bering Sea" Johan Santana: "They announced Johan had pec strain and let him throw bullpen at Wrigley Field before diagnosing torn anterior capsule." Jose Reyes: "Found oldie: Early in Reyes career, Mets wanted him tougher. They had Art Howe tell him 'spit on it' to injury. Had undiagnosed fibula break" Brian Schneider: "Ryan Church says to Brian Schneider, 'Your knee looks swollen. Go see trainer.' Schneider to Church: 'They don't want to hear it.'" Ike Davis: "Except for the fact diagnosis of cartilage damage originally was missed and a boot Ike then wore constricted circulation and stalled healing" Tom Seaver: “Always take up two parking places.” Yogi Berra: “Berry, berry bad card player.” Ed Kranepool: “Borrow Chico’s soap and never give it back.”

Ashie62 Jan 18 2012 01:33 PM Re: Rubin Bomb

Ike should lawyer up.

RealityChuck Jan 18 2012 02:39 PM Re: Rubin Bomb

Ceetar wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Sure, but the misdiagnosis --- and the counterproductivity of the boot --- seems to be public knowledge, rather than merely a fan's opinion. It certainly seems to be an open question how costly that was and how incompetent it was --- and there's some level at which we shouldn't ever be taking initial diagnoses as fact --- but Sandy seems to be denying a misdiagnosis ever took place. Except why was it misdiagnosed? This happens all the time, everywhere, where doctors don't think to get a certain test to check for a certain problem because the symptoms often hint at a more probable problem. The same with Santana. Him throwing a bullpen session was part of the way they figured out what was actually wrong. Did Rubin expect Santana to say "My Anterior Capsule feels like it's torn." Were trainers supposed to determine this, not common, injury by poking and prodding him and his vague descriptions of where the pain was? Exactly. Even Greg House makes wrong diagnoses before getting it right. Sometimes the symptoms look like one thing and you eventually discover it's something else. This happens with all clubs. But the Mets problems haven't been so much misdiagnoses (though there were some big mistakes made) as the large number of injuries overall. And a lot of this was bad luck. If Billy Wagner hadn't gone down in 2008, the Mets would have made the playoffs.

MFS62 Jan 20 2012 08:08 PM Re: Rubin Bomb

I thought I saw a point-by-point response to a Rubin rant a few days ago in a CPF thread. Can't find it. Thought it might be in this thread. Can someone please post a link to that thread? Thanks. Later