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Muffy Trade Value

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 23 2012 02:57 PM

I dunno, I just think they're gonna hafta trade Muffy. I don't think he can second-base well enough for a team with no K pitchers, and he might have some real value given his lo-salary and hi-productivity. Plus we need the pitching already and you know it. Would you take Max Scherzer? Phil Hughes? What'd be a fair trade for this guy?

TransMonk Jan 23 2012 03:06 PM Re: Muffy Trade Value

Are we selling him as a 3B? I think his limited defensive ability may be a red flag for other teams.

Ashie62 Jan 23 2012 03:30 PM Re: Muffy Trade Value

So Turner or Havens play second? Hard to guage trade value. What do you get if other teams see him as a utility player? Not getting Scherzer or Hughes..

Gwreck Jan 23 2012 03:32 PM Re: Muffy Trade Value

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Would you take Max Scherzer? Phil Hughes? What'd be a fair trade for this guy? Yes, iI take either of those guys, in a heartbeat. I see Murphy as having less value to others than he has to us. I say we give him the full year at second base to figure it out. Otherwise lost years are exactly the time to do such things.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 23 2012 03:32 PM Re: Muffy Trade Value

TransMonk wrote: Are we selling him as a 3B? I think his limited defensive ability may be a red flag for other teams. Whaddaya mean, limited? He plays five different positions, homey! Honestly, I think if anything limits his value, it's that he's not plus-power or plus-speed OR a big walker, which renders him highly BABIP-dependent, bat-wise.

TransMonk Jan 23 2012 03:38 PM Re: Muffy Trade Value

The problem is that Muffy is cheap right now, and while that may be part of his appeal for possible trading partners, the Mets can't really raise salary all that much. Bud Norris from the Astros?

metirish Jan 23 2012 03:58 PM Re: Muffy Trade Value

I would be shocked if we got either of those two pitchers or simialr for Murphy. He could be one of the few interesting storylines to follow this coming season, I'd like to see him stay healthy and see what he can do.

Ceetar Jan 23 2012 05:23 PM Re: Muffy Trade Value

if Murphy continues to hit like he has, he could have enormous value for anyone looking for bat in the summer (Which could be the Mets. They're probably not looking to offload him) He can play first and third at least averagely, and we'll see about 2nd. and we do have K pitchers. the Mets were 17th, right in the middle of the pack, last year. Obviously a lot depends on if it's Santana or like..Batista, but he Ks guys, Niese Ks guys. Dickey and Gee are below average but Dickey's decent at inducing soft contact due tothe knuckler. Pelfrey's subpar but not by a ton. Pelfrey and Niese let up a lot of hits though, and that's where the problem is, in the double plays. But he's generally been a pretty good range guy, and actually his overcommitting problems will likely be less of a problem at second. So maybe we're trading a couple of double plays for a a couple more outs in the field.

smg58 Jan 23 2012 06:10 PM Re: Muffy Trade Value

The trade rumors around Murphy earlier in the offseason seemed to involve reserve outfielders (like Andy Dirks of the Tigers), which would be selling very low rather than high. Plus, somebody has to play third base when the Mets trade Wright.

Ceetar Jan 23 2012 06:11 PM Re: Muffy Trade Value

smg58 wrote: The trade rumors around Murphy earlier in the offseason seemed to involve reserve outfielders (like Andy Dirks of the Tigers), which would be selling very low rather than high. Plus, somebody has to play third base when the Mets trade Wright. why? just have the fan do it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 23 2012 06:27 PM Re: Muffy Trade Value

smg58 wrote: Plus, somebody has to play third base when the Mets trade Wright. ow.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 03 2012 08:17 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

Snooze this morning indicated the Mets are sniffing for a pitcher by trade. Given we have Valdespin, Havens, Turner, etc who could also play 2B, still wonder about this. (I'm not in a hurry to flip the guy, I love him, it's just... what else is there to trade?)

Benjamin Grimm May 03 2012 08:19 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

I think with Young and possibly Harvey on the horizon, any starter the Mets pick up will be more of a stopgap guy who should come for a cheaper price than Daniel Murphy.

Ceetar May 03 2012 08:23 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Snooze this morning indicated the Mets are sniffing for a pitcher by trade. Given we have Valdespin, Havens, Turner, etc who could also play 2B, still wonder about this. (I'm not in a hurry to flip the guy, I love him, it's just... what else is there to trade?) Depends if we're talking solid contributor or veteran 5th starter that'll keep him in the game. I'd probably part with prospects for the first, Turner for the second. I guess it depends on the front offices thinking. Murphy, if it's determined to be okay at second, as a long term solution? Or is the hope to have one of those prospects demand the spot and Murphy's eventually trade bait anyway? Are the Mets actually looking for a 'stop gap'? under the premise that you can never have too much pitching, do you grab someone that's better than that and figure a hole will open up? Mets don't owe Young anything, and it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Harvey didn't come up this year (or came up into a 6 man rotation, or something else)

Edgy MD May 03 2012 08:25 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

They've been so deliberate, I would thing they're bound to throw Hefner into the breach at least once before they make a move.

metirish May 03 2012 08:29 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

I think Murphy would be attractive to a contending team, I could see him playing 2nd for the Dodgers, he'd fit nicely in that lineup.

Ceetar May 03 2012 08:29 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

Edgy DC wrote: They've been so deliberate, I would thing they're bound to throw Hefner into the breach at least once before they make a move. Well, definitely on that. And I guess he could wow them or something, but prepare for the possibility that he gives up 15 runs.. May 14th is probably that second start for that spot.

Edgy MD May 03 2012 08:35 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

Believe me, I'm aware that disaster is around every corner. It's believing it can be dodged that is the undoing of too many. You can negotiate with it, dance a tango, fight it to a standoff. You can toss it a piece of meat as you scamper around the corner. You can take a deep breath as you turn out the light before dashing across the bathroom floor back to your bed. But still it lurks, even in your sweetest moments of laughable success, you feel its hot and foul breath on the back of your neck. Still, I think they'll throw Hefner a start.

TransMonk May 03 2012 08:37 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

I'm of the opinion of staying the course with whoever can contribute from Buffalo. It's too early to know anything about anything. Are we a starter away from winning this division? We have options at 2B, but can they replace Muprhy offensively? A move right now seems desperate to me and I don't think we would get value for Muffy (or anyone) at this time.

Ceetar May 03 2012 08:38 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

I don't think the desire to give Hefner a start is going to delay them pulling the trigger on a move though, it's more dependent on the price. But a good Hefner start may give Sandy leverage to not seem as desperate and offer less? also, Pelfrey's eligibility for the 60day DL opens up a roster spot for such a move.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 03 2012 08:43 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

Let's just talk in more general terms. What do the Mets have to trade? Sure they could find a lot of return fro Wright but I don't think they'll dare. Davis? Not that way he's going. Thole? Not much and we need him. Relievers? No value yet. Bay? Not with that contract. Tejada or Duda would be stupid. Torres and Hairston would bring so little. Muffy -- or perhaps, the right choices from the minors -- is what we have to trade. Right?

metsguyinmichigan May 03 2012 08:47 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

How much time do we have to give Harvey in Triple-A?

Edgy MD May 03 2012 08:50 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Let's just talk in more general terms. What do the Mets have to trade? Sure they could find a lot of return fro Wright but I don't think they'll dare. Davis? Not that way he's going. Thole? Not much and we need him. Relievers? No value yet. Bay? Not with that contract. Tejada or Duda would be stupid. Torres and Hairston would bring so little. Muffy -- or perhaps, the right choices from the minors -- is what we have to trade. Right? They could trade the shit out of Jon Rauch. The question to me is whether, if you are looking for a starter to bridge a few weeks in a season such as this, do you give up a career for him? And I think with Sandy's history of restraint, his answer is going to be somewhere between, "I dunno yet" and "Impress me."

Ceetar May 03 2012 08:57 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

metsguyinmichigan wrote: How much time do we have to give Harvey in Triple-A? Ask a thousand people, get a thousand different answer. When the value he brings at the major league level outweights the growth he needs and can get at AAA.. but that's not a measurable amount. It could be Tuesday in Philadelphia. It could be Tuesday, April 9th, 2013.

metsguyinmichigan May 03 2012 09:26 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

I'd say it's about two Hafner starts away.

Benjamin Grimm May 03 2012 09:31 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

I think we'll see Young before we see Harvey. (That is, unless Young has a medical setback, of course.)

Edgy MD May 03 2012 10:36 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I'd say it's about two Hafner starts away. Wait, we got Hafner?

Edgy MD May 04 2012 10:20 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

Orioles DHs hitting: .236 / .320 / .326 // .646. Lookit what they got for depth.

attgig May 04 2012 10:43 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

yeah, we have to wait until the trading deadline to get the most bang for the buck with Murphy. Also, considering he's been our second/third best hitter, getting a #5 guy to plug a hole until Chris Young comes back seems like very little for a legit OBP guy. I think there's enough need for offense with some of the teams out there that we will get something for him. Does that mean we SHOULD trade him? I think for the right price yes. And I think the right price is not for a major league stopgap, but for a legit prospect. 1: someone who can be projected to be a good middle of the rotation guy or 2: someone projected to be a legit replacement in LF that'll get to flushing before Nimmo (although Vaughn has been looking good this year). or 3: a real catcher over thole. someone who can hit and also play some defense. heck package both thole and murphy for one legit guy.

Edgy MD May 04 2012 10:49 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

Personally, I want Murphy around forever. He's this team in microcosm.

smg58 May 04 2012 11:44 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

He shouldn't be off the table, but it seemed like we'd have had to sell very low on him in the offseason and I don't know if teams' attitudes on Murphy have really changed in a month. I personally think he's worth way more than a stopgap, and wouldn't settle for less than a legit #3 starter I'd have under control for as long as Murphy. If an offer like that doesn't materialize, don't panic and do something you'll regret in a month.

Edgy MD May 04 2012 11:46 AM Re: Muffy Trade Value

I don't think anybody is suggesting that he get shopped for a short-time stopgap.

attgig May 04 2012 12:36 PM Re: Muffy Trade Value

Edgy DC wrote: I don't think anybody is suggesting that he get shopped for a short-time stopgap. but i think some of the impetus for starting the thread was cuz Schwinny just couldn't cut it as a #5. perhaps I'm reading into JCL a little too much, but why else suggest folks like Hughes and Scherzer. Even if they're more than a stopgap, I'm in favor of trading for guys we'd have control over longer than hughes or scherzer. While i wouldn't mind having them, I'm thinking 2014 as a legit team to compete and get excited for, and I don't want to trade for someone who's already arbi elligible.

Edgy MD May 04 2012 12:44 PM Re: Muffy Trade Value

I'm thinking 2012 is a legit team to compete and get excited for. The thread was started back in January. The impetus was Murphy's redundancy with the Mets' other assets. If he gets traded now, he could certainly bring better than a stopgap starter, but if he brings a better starter with a few years of controllability, that would slide Gee and (perhaps) Niese down a notch each, so great, and that pitcher would therefore obviate the supposed need for a fifth starter. Chris Young and/or Matt Harvey isn't/aren't needed until the next crisis, which there likely will be sooner, rather than later.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 04 2012 08:41 PM Re: Muffy Trade Value

Yes, I started this thread back when I thought the Mets wouldn't dare start him at 2b, and revived it when I thought about who'd get traded in any deal. No agenda