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The Kid

G-Fafif Feb 16 2012 03:26 PM

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themetfairy Feb 16 2012 03:28 PM Re: The Kid

metsguyinmichigan Feb 16 2012 03:28 PM Re: The Kid

... I know we knew this was coming. But it sucks.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 16 2012 03:31 PM Re: The Kid

This image is now the UMDB banner. I'll keep it up for at least a week.

TransMonk Feb 16 2012 03:38 PM Re: The Kid

RIP, Kid.

Kong76 Feb 16 2012 03:48 PM Re: The Kid

RIP

SteveJRogers Feb 16 2012 03:48 PM Re: The Kid

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dgwphotography Feb 16 2012 04:00 PM Re: The Kid

Rest In Peace, Kid....

smg58 Feb 16 2012 04:05 PM Re: The Kid

A very sad day.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 16 2012 04:06 PM Re: The Kid

I really didn't think this would get me tearing up. I was wrong.

smg58 Feb 16 2012 04:12 PM Re: The Kid

[url]http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7520886/hall-fame-catcher-gary-carter-was-ferocious-competitor Tim Kurkjian has a nice write-up. Does anybody remember the game Ed Lynch refers to?

metirish Feb 16 2012 04:14 PM Re: The Kid

Rest in peace

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 16 2012 04:46 PM Re: The Kid

[url]http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7520886/hall-fame-catcher-gary-carter-was-ferocious-competitor Tim Kurkjian has a nice write-up. Does anybody remember the game Ed Lynch refers to? http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/stor ... ies-age-57

Edgy MD Feb 16 2012 05:01 PM Re: The Kid

Frayed Knot Feb 16 2012 05:13 PM Re: The Kid

smg58 wrote: [url]http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7520886/hall-fame-catcher-gary-carter-was-ferocious-competitor Tim Kurkjian has a nice write-up. Kurkjian's the best at those kind of write-ups/narrations.

metirish Feb 16 2012 05:19 PM Re: The Kid

Just been watching some Carter stuff on Youtube, watching Gary as an Expo reminds how much I miss that team. great article from TK

Edgy MD Feb 16 2012 05:28 PM Re: The Kid

Fman99 Feb 16 2012 05:32 PM Re: The Kid

:(

G-Fafif Feb 16 2012 05:44 PM Re: The Kid

SNY showing Kid's first game right now.

themetfairy Feb 16 2012 06:29 PM Re: The Kid

Edgy MD Feb 16 2012 06:40 PM Re: The Kid

It was all suddenly different It was still high school And I was still me But now my clothes weren’t so wrong My hair not as greasy My friends weren’t as cruel My mother didn’t drink so much Adulthood wasn’t so terrifying I stopped apologizing for myself and got on with it Let them shudder, not me Gary Carter was on my team And suddenly anything was possible

G-Fafif Feb 16 2012 06:48 PM Re: The Kid

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Mets – Willets Point Feb 16 2012 06:54 PM Re: The Kid

Up until 1985 I wasn't a big follower of baseball but a token fan of the Mets. Opening Day was a rainy day in Connecticut and we had indoor recess. Some of the boys tuned in the game on our VCR monitor tv and I was sucked in. After school I rushed home and caught Gary Carter's game winning home run and interview on Kiner's Korner. I've been hooked on the Mets ever since. As metfairy put it, cancer sucks.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 16 2012 07:01 PM Re: The Kid

I remember I was at NYU, and stopped at the stationery store on University Place to grab a Daily News on my way to breakfast. Flipped it over to see if there was any baseball news on the back page and found out that Gary Carter was a Met. My whole day was transformed. I was at the home opener that year, freezing cold in the stands. Couldn't believe that the game was going into extra innings. Bought hot chocolate to stay warm but it froze solid before I could get it back to my seat. But Gary Carter's storybook ending to that game made it all worthwhile. I wish I was able to see the rebroadcast on SNY tonight, but MLB content gets blacked out by Verizon. (Thanks, lawyers!) Gary. Keith. Darryl. Doc. What a Fab Four they were!

themetfairy Feb 16 2012 07:19 PM Re: The Kid

HahnSolo Feb 16 2012 08:00 PM Re: The Kid

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I really didn't think this would get me tearing up. I was wrong. Me too. Thanks for the memories Gary.

Met Hunter Feb 16 2012 08:21 PM Re: The Kid

I haven't felt this hurt since Tug. Gary was the missing piece. Someone that never gave up. This is a huge loss and may be the biggest loss of all in our 50 years.

metsmarathon Feb 16 2012 08:44 PM Re: The Kid

damn. too soon, kid, too soon.

Ashie62 Feb 16 2012 08:46 PM Re: The Kid

Why do they tell stage 4 cancer patients they can make it? I have lost a few to this disease and am sick about it, angry...

Frayed Knot Feb 16 2012 08:49 PM Re: The Kid

Well despite the public optimism of both Gary and his blogging daughter - an optimism that seems genetic in that family - we don't know what the medical people told them.

Ashie62 Feb 16 2012 08:56 PM Re: The Kid Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 16 2012 10:28 PM

You are correct. The ones close to me just sacrificed what was left of themselves to treatment. All believed almost right until hospice. My younger brother is a cancer survivor and this just digs at me.

MFS62 Feb 16 2012 09:48 PM Re: The Kid

My main memory of Gary was his picture on the cover of SI. He was in his Montreal uniform. The feature article was "Why the National League is Better", and Gary was one of the main reasons they cited. (I think I still have that issue somewhere in my house.) RIP, Gary, you gave us many happy memories. Later

Met Hunter Feb 17 2012 05:31 AM Re: The Kid

This is Keith Hernandez's take on Game 6. I think this is why we all loved Gary the player: "He got us rolling, and I think that's very important to point out," he said. "I had a lot of clutch hits in my career. And I had a chance to do what he did, and I feel that I failed. But Gary got it done. He was the right guy for that situation. He was stronger than I was. I wasn't afraid of those situations. But he welcomed them. It wasn't just about ability. It was about his approach, his makeup. He wanted to be the hero. And you've got to have a player like that.

metirish Feb 17 2012 06:50 AM Re: The Kid

Met Hunter wrote: This is Keith Hernandez's take on Game 6. I think this is why we all loved Gary the player: "He got us rolling, and I think that's very important to point out," he said. "I had a lot of clutch hits in my career. And I had a chance to do what he did, and I feel that I failed. But Gary got it done. He was the right guy for that situation. He was stronger than I was. I wasn't afraid of those situations. But he welcomed them. It wasn't just about ability. It was about his approach, his makeup. He wanted to be the hero. And you've got to have a player like that. wow, is that a recent take or historical?

Frayed Knot Feb 17 2012 07:05 AM Re: The Kid

Marty Noble chimes in ... of course. And also a statistical analysis of his career and placement among all-time catchers from Baseball Prospectus

Met Hunter Feb 17 2012 07:54 AM Re: The Kid

metirish wrote: This is Keith Hernandez's take on Game 6. I think this is why we all loved Gary the player: "He got us rolling, and I think that's very important to point out," he said. "I had a lot of clutch hits in my career. And I had a chance to do what he did, and I feel that I failed. But Gary got it done. He was the right guy for that situation. He was stronger than I was. I wasn't afraid of those situations. But he welcomed them. It wasn't just about ability. It was about his approach, his makeup. He wanted to be the hero. And you've got to have a player like that. wow, is that a recent take or historical? Recent. Got it off Mets.com. It may be as recent as yesterday.

MFS62 Feb 17 2012 07:56 AM Re: The Kid

BP does numbers very well. The BP article gave us a lot of numbers. And if you are paying statistical tribute to a player, why did that writer have to say this? For some reason, I always found him annoying, though I can’t really put my finger on why. It probably had something to do with his earnest, gung-ho attitude combined with the fact that I rooted against the ’86 and ’88 Mets as hard as any teams I ever rooted against. Just seems [crossout]out of place[/crossout] inappropriate. Later

Frayed Knot Feb 17 2012 08:00 AM Re: The Kid

I dunno, I guess it's on the order of: Even I, on the opposite side of the country and certainly not one of his fawning fan-boys, can still appreciate the player/person he was.

Edgy MD Feb 17 2012 08:02 AM Re: The Kid

Seriously, it's hardly the conclusion.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 17 2012 08:59 AM Re: The Kid

I've told this story before but the one time I met Gary Carter personally, I presented him with a copy of the MBTN book bookmarked to chapter 8. He thanked me so sincerely and so warmly, and so enthusiastically ("I'm looking forward to reading this!!" -- every sentence came with two or more exclaimation points) it made me feel great and also weirded me out at the same time. Did he do that because that's the way he truly was; or was it because he thought that that's the way he should act to maintain his rep; or did he think that's what I wanted to hear? I think Noble gets to some of that in his remembrance: Carter was a guy who always tried to do what he thought was the right thing, and the right thing to him included stuff like maintaining an image. I think he paid a price for that on a personal level but his relentless drive to do things right on a big scale brought great joy to all of us. The other thing I'll mention is, he was an athlete when it came to signing books and meeting people: The whole act of removing a book from the stack, looking up and meeting the next person in line, chatting momentarily, writing, and passing off and starting over was itself a kind of physical exercise for him. What a fascinating character he was.

Edgy MD Feb 17 2012 09:24 AM Re: The Kid

I've in the past compared Paul McCartney to Tom Seaver. But there's a thread between Paul and Gary Carter. Both lost their mothers as pre-teens and were raised by doting single fathers, who sought to replace the lost maternal nurturing but delivered it with a grave manly ruggedness. The future John Paul II is another of this ilk. All were formed in part by this tragedy. And though they expressed and spread great amounts of exuberant joy, they did it with a deadly sober seriousness. While they were perhaps surrounded with teammates who took fun in more reckless behavior, they knew how short life was, and how powerful the opportunity presented was, and how huge the stage. All elicited eyerolls from their colleagues in response to the simple pieties they seemingly represented, but all nonetheless had the game to get accepted into the coolest of clubs --- though none of them were cool. And when systems and circumstances collided and there was nobody else in room willing to be a grownup when the time called for it, they all had the... whatever --- courage, arrogance, the gravity of their fathers --- to step up and lead those clubs.

G-Fafif Feb 17 2012 10:00 AM Re: The Kid

SteveJRogers Feb 17 2012 11:13 AM Re: The Kid

Edgy DC wrote: I've in the past compared Paul McCartney to Tom Seaver. But there's a thread between Paul and Gary Carter. Both lost their mothers as pre-teens and were raised by doting single fathers, who sought to replace the lost maternal nurturing but delivered it with a grave manly ruggedness. The future John Paul II is another of this ilk. All were formed in part by this tragedy. And though they expressed and spread great amounts of exuberant joy, they did it with a deadly sober seriousness. While they were perhaps surrounded with teammates who took fun in more reckless behavior, they knew how short life was, and how powerful the opportunity presented was, and how huge the stage. All elicited eyerolls from their colleagues in response to the simple pieties they seemingly represented, but all nonetheless had the game to get accepted into the coolest of clubs --- though none of them were cool. And when systems and circumstances collided and there was nobody else in room willing to be a grownup when the time called for it, they all had the... whatever --- courage, arrogance, the gravity of their fathers --- to step up and lead those clubs. Strangely enough the thought came to my mind last night that Hernandez and Carter were pretty much the Lennon-McCartney of that 1986 Mets team.

Edgy MD Feb 17 2012 11:30 AM Re: The Kid

The lefty-righty thing would be backwards but there's something there.

SteveJRogers Feb 17 2012 11:35 AM Re: The Kid

Edgy DC wrote: The lefty-righty thing would be backwards but there's something there. Heh, plus there was never a massive falling out that caused each to snipe at each other through very public channels...oh like songs.

Edgy MD Feb 17 2012 11:37 AM Re: The Kid

Not massive, but there certainly was a snipe or two.

SteveJRogers Feb 17 2012 11:41 AM Re: The Kid

Edgy DC wrote: Not massive, but there certainly was a snipe or two. True, but we aren't talking about "How Do You Sleep" versus "Too Many People" level of sniping or the idea that the hatchet was never fully buried before Carter's passing as I've seen that discussed on Beatle message boards, if John and Paul were still estranged and bitter enemies by 12/8/80.

Edgy MD Feb 17 2012 11:46 AM Re: The Kid

Yeah, and Keith didn't claim to be bigger than Jesus and Davey Johnson wasn't a closeted homosexual. It's a just a passing analogy, Esteban. Let it work for you as far as it'll work for you.

Ceetar Feb 17 2012 11:50 AM Re: The Kid

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I really didn't think this would get me tearing up. I was wrong. yeah. And I don't really even have any memories of him playing.

G-Fafif Feb 17 2012 11:56 AM Re: The Kid

Joe Klein in New York magazine, September 29, 1986: Carter and Hernandez are the most accomplished players on the Mets and the dominant personalities, the twin poles about whom the team revolves, the princes of darkness and light. Their rivalry is a great understated fact of life on the ball club... Link will take you to cover. Story begins on page 44.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 17 2012 12:23 PM Re: The Kid

I own this card somewhere. Rare to see Carter wearing another uni number than 8 -- 57! (he was born April 8 and married Feb. 8)

G-Fafif Feb 17 2012 12:36 PM Re: The Kid

Keith utterly broken up talking Kid with Francesa.

Mets – Willets Point Feb 17 2012 12:38 PM Re: The Kid

Who was the 1986 Ringo and George?

Benjamin Grimm Feb 17 2012 12:59 PM Re: The Kid

Ed Hearn and Randy Niemann.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 17 2012 01:00 PM Re: The Kid

G-Fafif wrote: Keith utterly broken up talking Kid with Francesa. Was Francesa boasting that he had predicted that Gary Carter would one day be dead?

G-Fafif Feb 17 2012 01:07 PM Re: The Kid

Benjamin Grimm wrote: G-Fafif wrote: Keith utterly broken up talking Kid with Francesa. Was Francesa boasting that he had predicted that Gary Carter would one day be dead? Ooh... I recall during the Piazza era Francesa and his erstwhile partner announced they were supposed to have Carter on but that Carter asked that they not discuss Piazza's throwing -- the potential move to first base was probably the controversy of the month at the time and Carter was working as a Met minor league instructor -- and the hosts haughtily told their listeners that no one tells them what they can't ask, so we won't be having Gary Carter on. Jerks.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 17 2012 01:17 PM Re: The Kid

This from Lenny Dykstra, as quoted in the Daily News this morning: “When I first came aboard, I think I was out drinking with Wally Backman,” Lenny Dykstra said. “We were on the road, and I said to Wally, ‘I’m going to wake up Carter.’ I was mule-kicking his hotel door. The Kid was nice, never cussed. But he picked me up like a child, pinned me against the wall – ‘You ever do this again . . .’ I saw the fire in his eyes, dude.

Edgy MD Feb 17 2012 01:21 PM Re: The Kid

And I'm thinking that the guy on the prison beat must've got that quote.

Met Hunter Feb 17 2012 01:38 PM Re: The Kid

For the record, Carter is the 60th Met player to die. That number has doubled in the 8 years since Tug became number 30.

SteveJRogers Feb 17 2012 01:40 PM Re: The Kid

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Who was the 1986 Ringo and George? Carter actually does/did fit the Harrison analog as well. And come on, Mookie = Ringo! Or maybe Lenny/Wally in terms of destructive behavior.

Frayed Knot Feb 17 2012 01:41 PM Re: The Kid

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I own this card somewhere. Rare to see Carter wearing another uni number than 8 -- 57! (he was born April 8 and married Feb. 8) There was that story Frank Cashen told about negotiating the trade and/or contract extension with Carter and hearing him repreat; I gotta keep #8 - or words to that effect. Cashen, wondering what clause #8 in the contract was all about, worried that it was some over-the-top privilege the Mets would consider a deal-breaker. Turned out that all Gary was interested in, citing his birthday and anniversary, was being able to continue wearing #8 as his uni.

Edgy MD Feb 17 2012 02:15 PM Re: The Kid

Empire State Building to go blue and orange tonight in honor of Gary Carter.

themetfairy Feb 17 2012 02:40 PM Re: The Kid

Met Hunter wrote: For the record, Carter is the 60th Met player to die. That number has doubled in the 8 years since Tug became number 30. That's eerie! What's your source for this?

Ashie62 Feb 17 2012 05:22 PM Re: The Kid

Probably the necrology on UMDB [url]http://www.ultimatemets.com/

Fman99 Feb 17 2012 06:25 PM Re: The Kid

themetfairy wrote: Met Hunter wrote: For the record, Carter is the 60th Met player to die. That number has doubled in the 8 years since Tug became number 30. That's eerie! What's your source for this? I just read this too, in Ghoulish Mets Fan Weekly.

G-Fafif Feb 17 2012 07:04 PM Re: The Kid

Take that, Papacy! At Montreal's Olympic Park, management announced plans to consult with Carter's family and make plans to name a space in the area after him One federal politician, Liberal Denis Coderre, raised the possibility of renaming the metro stop at Olympic Stadium, replacing the current name of Pope Pius IX.

Edgy MD Feb 17 2012 07:55 PM Re: The Kid

Pius IX --- only guy to serve longer than John Paul II (but still not as long as Connie Mack). Not a popular figure these days. Meantime:

Met Hunter Feb 17 2012 09:55 PM Re: The Kid

Ashie62 wrote: Probably the necrology on UMDB [url]http://www.ultimatemets.com/ Yep that is the source. 60 is a pretty low number considering they've played 50 seasons and have over 900 alumni.

themetfairy Feb 18 2012 06:15 AM Re: The Kid

Thanks guys - I didn't know that existed.

Frayed Knot Feb 18 2012 06:56 AM Re: The Kid

BP also posts an article dealing with the whys and wherefores of the deal which brought him to NY Now I'm not going to be one of those guys who'll claim to have KNOWN at the time that this was the put-em-over-the-top kind of trade. In fact, I'll admit to being luke-warm to the deal upon first hearing about it. I was a big Hubie fan living with a friend at the time who was even more so - boy was HE pissed that night! I also had hopes for Herm Winningham to the point where I remember thinking that I bet they wished they could have subbed Mookie into the deal now that Lennie was here. Plus I was leery of Carter due to that odd circumstance where you begin to get numb to the greatness of a player who had been as good as he had for such a long time and start to think of him as yesterday's news and not the kind of younger, dynamic player the '85 and beyond Mets needed. Good thing they didn't have a dope like me running the team, huh? In retrospect - and probably to smart people at the time - he was so clearly the missing piece; the RH bat on the lefty-heavy squad, the veteran catcher to guide all those young pitchers, the clean-up hitter to take pressure off of Strawberry, and so on. The most frequent mentions this week were the opening day HR and the post-season hits. I tend to think back to the absolute monster of a September he had in '85 as that team surged to 98 wins and were a bloop or two away from yanking the lead away from the Cardinals. The over-the-hill fear of course did show up in years 4 & 5 of his NYM career and the years in between have blurred the memories of some pretty harsh fan treatment in those final seasons, but no same person could possibly want to un-do the deal even with the warts that eventually showed up.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 18 2012 06:59 AM Re: The Kid

Met Hunter wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Probably the necrology on UMDB [url]http://www.ultimatemets.com/ Yep that is the source. 60 is a pretty low number considering they've played 50 seasons and have over 900 alumni. Met Hunter modestly selling himself short here. He's "sourcing" the stuff he knows and which is aggregated there.

Met Hunter Feb 18 2012 11:21 AM Re: The Kid

I really just did a check to see where the number stood. It is a great reference site, as is yours. Seeing how you are a numbers guy, I will break down a couple things for you. Deceased Met players: 1-Gil Hodges 10-Cal Koonce 20-John Milner 25-Dick Selma 30-Tug McGraw 40-Bill Graham 50-Tom Sturdivant 60-Gary Carter And heres one more. At the time of the September 11th attacks, the Met count was at 666. Ironically it was C.J. Nitkowski, a deeply religious man. How's that for a bad omen? I'm sure you guys on this site already knew this.

Edgy MD Feb 18 2012 01:58 PM Re: The Kid

Frayed Knot wrote: BP also posts an article dealing with the whys and wherefores of the deal which brought him to NY Now I'm not going to be one of those guys who'll claim to have KNOWN at the time that this was the put-em-over-the-top kind of trade. In fact, I'll admit to being luke-warm to the deal upon first hearing about it. I was a big Hubie fan living with a friend at the time who was even more so - boy was HE pissed that night! I also had hopes for Herm Winningham to the point where I remember thinking that I bet they wished they could have subbed Mookie into the deal now that Lennie was here. Plus I was leery of Carter due to that odd circumstance where you begin to get numb to the greatness of a player who had been as good as he had for such a long time and start to think of him as yesterday's news and not the kind of younger, dynamic player the '85 and beyond Mets needed. I'm certainly not going to poop on the trade, but I don't think it's a no-brainer. Immediately after the deal, Hubie Brooks became the slugging righty that they needed. Of course, his mid-season injury could have short-circuited 1985, though Darryl's thumb injury pretty much did that. When they got Carter, he had 13.7 WAR ahead of him (as per baseball-reference.com). Brooks, Youmans, Fitzgerald, and Winnngham had 14.2 (including -2.0 for Herm). Of course, all the eggs can't be unscrambled and it's really hard to make WAR represent what it's supposed to --- especially with something as nebulous as a catcher's impact on his pitching staff --- but then you count in the relative salary, and I, well, I don't think it's a no-brainer.

metirish Feb 18 2012 03:43 PM Re: The Kid

Met Hunter wrote: I really just did a check to see where the number stood. It is a great reference site, as is yours. Seeing how you are a numbers guy, I will break down a couple things for you. Deceased Met players: 1-Gil Hodges 10-Cal Koonce 20-John Milner 25-Dick Selma 30-Tug McGraw 40-Bill Graham 50-Tom Sturdivant 60-Gary Carter And heres one more. At the time of the September 11th attacks, the Met count was at 666. Ironically it was C.J. Nitkowski, a deeply religious man. How's that for a bad omen? I'm sure you guys on this site already knew this. never knew that, C.J. Nitkowski played for the Mets?.....kidding

Edgy MD Feb 19 2012 12:39 PM Re: The Kid

"Today, I got it hanging in my studio office." [youtube:3ch82duz]AY5RSmXzfvc[/youtube:3ch82duz]

Mets – Willets Point Feb 19 2012 02:29 PM Re: The Kid

There will be a tribute to Gary Carter at the Canadiens game in Montreal tonight.

Edgy MD Feb 19 2012 05:28 PM Re: The Kid

Mets – Willets Point Feb 19 2012 05:54 PM Re: The Kid

The Youp-ster went old skool:

Edgy MD Feb 19 2012 07:37 PM Re: The Kid

Edgy MD Feb 19 2012 07:43 PM Re: The Kid

Frayed Knot Feb 19 2012 09:00 PM Re: The Kid

Edgy DC wrote: That's terrific. Nice job by Les Habitants. I thought of another memory of Carter. The '84 ASG (for which he'd be named MVP) as the other half of the battery for a teenage pitcher named Gooden. Dwight, making his AS debut in his rookie year, went out and quickly, as most NYM fans know, struck-out the side (Lance Parrish, Chet Lemon, Al Davis). The inning-ending K prompted vet catcher Carter (still in the game more than half way through we should note) to bound out from behind the plate with a grin on his face that could only have said, 'Golly whiz guys, how cool was THAT!' In the 5th inning of his 7th All-Star Game in his 10th big-league season, he was still a fan.

metirish Feb 19 2012 09:03 PM Re: The Kid

Video tribute http://video.canadiens.nhl.com/videocen ... &id=158863

G-Fafif Feb 21 2012 02:37 PM Re: The Kid

Palm Beach Atlantic team to take the field with 8 players to honor their coach.

Edgy MD Feb 21 2012 02:44 PM Re: The Kid

New thought for a tribute from the Mets: Name one of their minor league teams "The Kids." The GCL Mets would have been a good target, as he skippered them, but they are, alas, no more. And all the GCL teams, seemingly as a general rule, share the names of their parent clubs. But how about Kingsport? He never coached them, but they seem like a team in need of a little identity adjustment. The B-Mets would be a bad fit, as he left the organization after refusing to manage them, but if the AA affiliate moves to Ottawa, that might be a great opportunity to honor Carter's Mets' legacy and his Canadian legacy in one fell swoopage.

metirish Feb 21 2012 03:30 PM Re: The Kid

Great idea, one thing, was Gary "the Kid" or just "Kid"?

Edgy MD Feb 21 2012 07:20 PM Re: The Kid

Both, kinda.

Edgy MD Feb 22 2012 12:29 PM Re: The Kid

As this thread title suggests. Service set for Friday in West Palm Beach. Representing the Mets: Management Sandy Alderson John Ricco Former Mets Personnel Keith Hernandez Rusty Staub Wally Backman Tim Teufel Howard Johnson Roger McDowell Mookie Wilson Sid Fernandez Darryl Strawberry Current Mets Personnel Terry Collins Dan Warthen Bobby Parnell Jon Niese Josh Thole David Wright I'm sure the list isn't final. Thole, Niese, and Parnell all played for Carter in the minors.

metirish Feb 22 2012 01:02 PM Re: The Kid

Nice list, Wharten pitched to Carter at one point.

G-Fafif Feb 22 2012 01:55 PM Re: The Kid

From PBAU, via Araton. “Everybody knew he wanted to manage in the major leagues and we were worried that he’d get an offer and it’d be one and done,” said Joe Cole, who had driven up for the game from Fort Lauderdale. Carter made them a promise: he would only leave to manage — not coach — in the majors. But under circumstances unforeseen and heart-wrenching, Kelly’s and Cole’s sons still only got to play one year for him. William M. B. Fleming Jr., the interim president of Palm Beach Atlantic, a faith-based university of about 3,700 students in downtown West Palm Beach, had known Carter for about 20 years when he agreed to become the coach. Yes, managing in the majors remained an ambition, Fleming said. But he also believed that the birth of a granddaughter — Carter’s daughter Kimmy Bloemers is the university’s softball coach — meant there would be no more chasing the dream in places leading to nowhere. “He sensed it was time to be at home with his family, no more Long Island Ducks or Orange County Flyers,” Fleming said.

G-Fafif Feb 24 2012 06:36 AM Re: The Kid

"We really had something special there." The Kid, on his Mets, via ESPN.

metirish Feb 24 2012 04:28 PM Re: The Kid

The church is streaming the Memorial live, starts at 7 http://cdn.316networks.com/garycarter/ http://gochristfellowship.com/events/ga ... l-service/

G-Fafif Feb 25 2012 01:05 PM Re: The Kid

Mets confirm they will wear a patch portraying 8 and home plate this season.

dgwphotography Feb 25 2012 04:02 PM Re: The Kid

Mets confirm they will wear a patch portraying 8 and home plate this season. First look at the new patch:

Ceetar Feb 25 2012 04:09 PM Re: The Kid

I like it

batmagadanleadoff Feb 25 2012 06:19 PM Re: The Kid

Who woulda thunk? On every Mets team that he played on, Gary Carter is the first, and only, Met player to have passed away. Every single Mets teammate of Gary Carter is still alive.

SteveJRogers Feb 26 2012 08:48 AM Re: The Kid

Here is how it looks on the uniform

Mets – Willets Point Feb 26 2012 01:41 PM Re: The Kid

It's a great patch, but every time I read it I think of the Radiohead album Kid A.

G-Fafif Feb 28 2012 01:19 PM Re: The Kid

[youtube:3fy6txzh]PNYPZcGCelE[/youtube:3fy6txzh] Kid's last Shea action, 1989, kicks in at around 2:30 -- though plenty to see before and after.

The Second Spitter Mar 02 2012 03:02 AM Re: The Kid

I having an article published in an upcoming issue of International Transfer Pricing Journal. I wrote the following dedication: This article is dedicated to the memory of Gary Edmund Carter (1954-2012) from whom I learnt the art of never quitting.

themetfairy Mar 02 2012 05:35 AM Re: The Kid

The Second Spitter wrote: I having an article published in an upcoming issue of International Transfer Pricing Journal. I wrote the following dedication: This article is dedicated to the memory of Gary Edmund Carter (1954-2012) from whom I learnt the art of never quitting. That's beautiful 3D.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 02 2012 05:49 AM Re: The Kid

The Second Spitter wrote: I having an article published in an upcoming issue of International Transfer Pricing Journal. I wrote the following dedication: This article is dedicated to the memory of Gary Edmund Carter (1954-2012) from whom I learnt the art of never quitting. Great mag, but their annual swimsuit issue sucks.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 02 2012 08:02 AM Re: The Kid

The Second Spitter wrote: I having an article published in an upcoming issue of International Transfer Pricing Journal. I wrote the following dedication: This article is dedicated to the memory of Gary Edmund Carter (1954-2012) from whom I learnt the art of never quitting. That's sweet. Although it does bring to mind what you'll dedicate (and for what) when Bonilla finally goes.

Fman99 Mar 02 2012 10:54 AM Re: The Kid

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I having an article published in an upcoming issue of International Transfer Pricing Journal. I wrote the following dedication: This article is dedicated to the memory of Gary Edmund Carter (1954-2012) from whom I learnt the art of never quitting. Great mag, but their annual swimsuit issue sucks. I don't know about that, it got the job done for me if you know what I mean. [This means I masturbated.]

themetfairy Mar 02 2012 11:46 AM Re: The Kid

Fman99 wrote: I having an article published in an upcoming issue of International Transfer Pricing Journal. I wrote the following dedication: This article is dedicated to the memory of Gary Edmund Carter (1954-2012) from whom I learnt the art of never quitting. Great mag, but their annual swimsuit issue sucks. I don't know about that, it got the job done for me if you know what I mean. What doesn't get the job done for you?

metsmarathon Mar 02 2012 12:14 PM Re: The Kid

i don't think i want to know the answer to that question, as it would imply that everything right up until that frightening demarcation will get hte job done.

Edgy MD Mar 02 2012 12:20 PM Re: The Kid

G-Fafif Mar 02 2012 12:23 PM Re: The Kid

That the conversation has wound this way in a Remembering the Late Gary Carter thread seems perversely appropriate. Must be what it was like for him in the clubhouse, circa 1986.

metsmarathon Mar 02 2012 01:11 PM Re: The Kid

he started it...

Edgy MD Mar 05 2012 07:54 AM Re: The Kid

bmfc1 Jul 05 2012 11:43 AM Re: The Kid

STFU Reggie Jackson: http://insidesportsillustrated.com/2012 ... now-issue/ He can have his opinion, which is "none of these guys were as great as me but they still have the same honor", but find someone that didn't just pass away, you egomaniacal jackass.

seawolf17 Jul 05 2012 11:52 AM Re: The Kid

bmfc1 wrote: STFU Reggie Jackson: http://insidesportsillustrated.com/2012 ... now-issue/ He can have his opinion, which is "none of these guys were as great as me but they still have the same honor", but find someone that didn't just pass away, you egomaniacal jackass. "I don't think any of the steroid guys should get in." "What about Andy Pettitte?" "Well, of course he should get in." Whatever.

Edgy MD Jul 05 2012 11:53 AM Re: The Kid

Human beings from before the steroid era and superhumans from the steroid era all fail to live up to Jackson's standard. OE: good job digging up the old thread.

metirish Jul 05 2012 12:08 PM Re: The Kid

Edgy DC wrote: what a beautiful picture what did Jackson say...blocked at work.

bmfc1 Jul 05 2012 12:13 PM Re: The Kid

Jackson’s stance on the issue of undeserving members of the Hall of Fame: “I didn’t see Kirby Puckett as a Hall of Famer. I didn’t see Gary Carter as a Hall of Famer. I didn’t see Don Sutton as a Hall of Famer. I didn’t see Phil Niekro as a Hall of Famer. As much as I like Jim Rice, I’m not so sure he’s a Hall of Famer.” On whether Bert Blyleven should have been elected into the Hall of Fame: “No. No, no, no, no. Blyleven wasn’t even the dominant pitcher of his era, it was Jack Morris.” On being passed on the alltime home run list by players linked to performance-enhancing drugs: “I don’t think the fans really count them, and I agree. I believe that Hank Aaron is the home run king, not Barry Bonds, as great a player as Bonds was.” On Alex Rodriguez: “Al’s a very good friend. But I think there are real questions about his numbers. As much as I like him, what he admitted about his usage does cloud some of his records.” Jackson’s view on whether players linked to performance-enhancing drugs should be inducted into the Hall of Fame: “If any of those guys get in, no Hall of Famer will attend.” On Andy Pettitte’s possible election to the Hall of Fame: “The question is going to be a guy like Andy Pettitte, who admitted that he got involved for a while, but who is so universally respected in the game. I think he’ll get in, but there will be a lot of [members] who won’t go.”

Edgy MD Jul 05 2012 12:27 PM Re: The Kid

No matter how you feel, and no matter how living or dead the subject is, it just seems to me to be terribly bad form to publicly question the credentials of your Hall of Fame colleagues. They're in. Debate's over. I guess it's good to have classic old-school Reggie back and embarrassing the Yankees like he was born to do. Let's see if Alex takes a swing at him like Nettles did.

Vic Sage Jul 05 2012 01:12 PM Re: The Kid

Let's see if Alex takes a swing at him But these days, Alex is unlikely to make solid contact.

Zvon Jul 05 2012 05:57 PM Re: The Kid

metirish wrote: Edgy DC wrote: what a beautiful picture Not only beautiful. It's touching.

Frayed Knot Jul 05 2012 06:01 PM Re: The Kid

1) Reggie's an ass 2) Reggie's always been an ass 3) See #s 1 & 2

metsguyinmichigan Jul 05 2012 07:12 PM Re: The Kid Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 05 2012 07:52 PM

I had a bad experience with Reggie, who, truth be told, is someone many people feel is a borderline Hall of Famer himself. [url]http://metsguyinmichigan.blogspot.com/2005/07/every-signature-tells-story-reggie.html One of the Detroit sportswriters told a Reggie story. Tiger Stadium had a small and very slow-moving elevator to get up to the press box, and they had a employee controlling it, and older woman who was told to check the ID of everyone getting on. She asked to see Reggie's ID, and he said "Lady, if you don't know me, you don't know baseball!" And someone in the elevator said, "But she knows her job, Reggie, and it's to check your ID." Now, that might be a Rickey and Olreud kind of story, so you never know. But it sounds right.

Edgy MD Jul 05 2012 07:39 PM Re: The Kid

Cool response. How very Yankoid to get in an elevator fight with a civilian.

MFS62 Jul 05 2012 10:01 PM Re: The Kid

Hate to break this to you, Reggie, but back in the day, lousy fielding outfielders with a .262 career batting average didn't get into the Hall of Fame without paying the full admission price for a ticket. Count your lucky stars and STFU. Later

Vic Sage Jul 06 2012 08:33 AM Re: The Kid

Really, a 1-dimensional ballplayer whose rep was based entirely on a handful of post-season HRs is NOBODY to cast stones at other borderline HOFers.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 06 2012 09:07 AM Re: The Kid

Vic Sage wrote: Really, a 1-dimensional ballplayer whose rep was based entirely on a handful of post-season HRs is NOBODY to cast stones at other borderline HOFers. Especially a guy who spent years padding his power numbers as a DH. Had Carter been in the AL, he could had added years to his career.

bmfc1 Jul 06 2012 09:26 AM Re: The Kid

Jackson's statement is almost as bad as when he tried to kill The Queen.

themetfairy Jul 06 2012 09:46 AM Re: The Kid

bmfc1 wrote: Jackson's statement is almost as bad as when he tried to kill The Queen. That movie contained some of my favorite baseball scenes ever seen on the big screen

batmagadanleadoff Jul 06 2012 02:22 PM Re: The Kid

Carter's former Mets teammates jab back at Jackson excerpt: Reggie Jackson said in an interview with Sports Illustrated he doesn’t think Gary Carter — among several other players — is a deserving Hall-of-Famer. It’s a statement sure to incense Mets fans, especially in light of Carter’s Feb. 16 death because of brain cancer, and yesterday several of Carter’s former teammates came to his defense. “Reggie is entitled to his opinion,” said Ron Darling, who pitched to Carter from 1986-89. “There are other players in the Hall of Fame that baseball historians may not feel as though they should be in. That being said, the timing [stinks]. “Reggie has an opinion. I’m sure there are some who said that [Sandy] Koufax’ 165 wins shouldn’t get in. There’s always silly comments. Listen, Reggie’s not the first person to say that Gary doesn’t belong in the Hall of Fame. … I’m sure if [Jackson] could have a do-over, he would.’’ Jackson told the magazine, “I didn’t see Gary Carter as a Hall of Famer.’’ also mentioning Kirby Puckett, Don Sutton, Phil Niekro, Bert Blyleven and even Jim Rice. “That’s kind of sticky,” Keith Hernandez said. “I think that he deserves to be in. I’m glad that he’s in, so I’ll disagree with Reggie and keep it at that.” Certainly as a player Gary’s numbers were more than adequate to get in the Hall of Fame,” Tim Teufel said. “He was doing it a long time, a lot of home runs, RBIs.” Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/car ... z1zsMg3fps

Edgy MD Jul 06 2012 02:27 PM Re: The Kid

Those read more like "measured disagreements" rather than jabs. Somebody maybe should talk to Ray Knight if they want a jab.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 08 2012 08:50 PM Re: The Kid

Wally Backman comes to defense of late Gary Carter, firing back at Reggie Jackson, who said The Kid shouldn't be in Hall of Fame Carter died in February after a battle with brain cancer. “To me, it’s a disgrace to the Yankee family with him saying that,” says Backman, who is NY Mets' Triple-A manager in Buffalo. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... z205dPa8vg

Edgy MD Jul 09 2012 06:53 AM Re: The Kid

Backman has perhaps too high an opinion of the Yankee family. I think the correct response to the media is that Jackson's comments speak for themselves, and in private, to remind his future big-leaguers why the umaking of the Yankee machine (excuse me, family), is so crucial to the future of all that is good and just.

Centerfield Jul 09 2012 11:00 AM Re: The Kid

Backman's way off base here. This is not at all a disgrace to the Yankee family. Mariano Rivera electrifying his pool and accidentally killing little boys (when he was trying to kill puppies instead) was a disgrace to the Yankee family. Jim Leyritz drinking and driving and killing a young woman coming home from work was a disgrace to the Yankee family. Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite, and Alex Rodriguez juicing up was a disgrace to the Yankee family. Reggie was just displaying every-day assholeish Yankee behavior.

metirish Jul 09 2012 12:06 PM Re: The Kid

Centerfield wrote: Backman's way off base here. This is not at all a disgrace to the Yankee family. Mariano Rivera electrifying his pool and accidentally killing little boys (when he was trying to kill puppies instead) was a disgrace to the Yankee family. Jim Leyritz drinking and driving and killing a young woman coming home from work was a disgrace to the Yankee family. Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite, and Alex Rodriguez juicing up was a disgrace to the Yankee family. Reggie was just displaying every-day assholeish Yankee behavior. dying.....

metsguyinmichigan Jul 09 2012 01:02 PM Re: The Kid

Who was the Yankee infielder who was busted with underage girls and replied "What I'm I supposed to do, cut off one of her arms and count the rings?" And don't forget the wife-swapping -- hell, family swapping -- pitchers.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 09 2012 01:06 PM Re: The Kid

Reggie was being impolitic, but for the most part, I don't think he was wrong, at least not completely. I agree with him about Sutton and Niekro. Not sure about Rice and Puckett. Disagree about Carter.

Edgy MD Jul 09 2012 01:12 PM Re: The Kid

Phil Niekro was a champ and a half. According to baseball-reference.com, he's a full 20 WAR ahead of Jackson. Regarding the cradlerobbing, I never heard that line. Sounds like a crazy thing to say. Chad Curtis (or Luis Polonia or any number of others) may be who you refer to, but (putting on my Stever Rogers hat) when it comes to accusations and implications of fooling around with teenagers, few teams are in the clear. With LoDuca and Castro, the Mets at one time fielded an all-high-school-haunting catching staff.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 09 2012 01:25 PM Re: The Kid

Edgy DC wrote: Phil Niekro was a champ and a half. According to baseball-reference.com, he's a full 20 WAR ahead of Jackson. Regarding the cradlerobbing, I never heard that line. Sounds like a crazy thing to say. Chad Curtis (or Luis Polonia or any number of others) may be who you refer to, but (putting on my Stever Rogers hat) when it comes to accusations and implications of fooling around with teenagers, few teams are in the clear. With LoDuca and Castro, the Mets at one time fielded an all-high-school-haunting catching staff. Yeah, but when it happens to Mets I pretend it never happened. Selective memory is a good things sometimes. I often have to be reminded that Jason Bay is on the team.

metirish Jul 09 2012 01:58 PM Re: The Kid

Reggie not welcome in the Bronx according to people familiar with the situation http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... -1.1110762

G-Fafif Jul 09 2012 02:25 PM Re: The Kid

metirish wrote: Reggie not welcome in the Bronx according to people familiar with the situation http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... -1.1110762 It happens in the best of families. And theirs.

Met Hunter Jul 09 2012 02:30 PM Re: The Kid

Edgy DC wrote: Chad Curtis (or Luis Polonia or any number of others) may be who you refer to, but (putting on my Stever Rogers hat) when it comes to accusations and implications of fooling around with teenagers, few teams are in the clear. With LoDuca and Castro, the Mets at one time fielded an all-high-school-haunting catching staff. Don't forget the Mets employed old creepy Ed Bouchee.

Frayed Knot Jul 09 2012 02:50 PM Re: The Kid

Lemme get this straight; Big mouth saying that ARod's PED use "does cloud" his records is, according to the Yanx, "incendiary"? -- Shit, there are six year olds saying that during 1st grade recess. What this all shows is that the Yanx have Riggie over a barrel with this kind of stuff because all they have to do is threaten to cut him off and it'll ruin the last connection he has to baseball. No one else has ever given him the time of day once he quit playing because they all thought he was an asshole back then. Old man Steinbrenner was his sugar daddy and even he wasn't stupid enough to give Jackson an on-field job. Hell, you would have thought he said something really controversial like Phil Rizzutto being in the HoF is the biggest injustice since Milli Vanilli's Grammy award. Oh wait, everyone over kindergarten age knows that one's true also.

seawolf17 Jul 09 2012 06:55 PM Re: The Kid

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Who was the Yankee infielder who was busted with underage girls and replied "What I'm I supposed to do, cut off one of her arms and count the rings?" Don Mattingly.

G-Fafif Jul 09 2012 07:00 PM Re: The Kid

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Who was the Yankee infielder who was busted with underage girls and replied "What I'm I supposed to do, cut off one of her arms and count the rings?" See? Even with statutory rape, it's all about the rings, baby!

metsguyinmichigan Jul 09 2012 07:35 PM Re: The Kid

G-Fafif wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Who was the Yankee infielder who was busted with underage girls and replied "What I'm I supposed to do, cut off one of her arms and count the rings?" See? Even with statutory rape, it's all about the rings, baby! Bad ass!!!!

Edgy MD Jul 11 2012 08:24 AM Re: The Kid

We've been misled. Jackson hasn't been asked to stay away. His exile from the Yankees is self-imposed. Sure. Jackson Explains Absence From Yankees Game By TYLER KEPNER Reggie Jackson, who threw out the first pitch before the Home Run Derby on Monday, emphasized that his absence from the Yankees last weekend in Boston was not punitive. “There is no ban, no suspension,” Jackson said. In the current issue of Sports Illustrated, Jackson raises questions about the Hall of Fame candidacies of Andy Pettitte and Alex Rodriguez because they have admitted to using performance-enhancing drugs. More troubling to the Yankees was the poor taste Jackson showed in saying that Gary Carter and Kirby Puckett, who are deceased, should not be in the Hall. Jackson said he and the Yankees agreed that he should not be at Fenway Park, where he often goes during Yankee series in his advisory role for the team. “It was just a mutual thing where it was best,” Jackson said. “The clubhouse is a very small place, and all the media was there. I didn’t want to be a disruption.” Jackson said there was no specific date for him to return to the team, but a Yankees official said Jackson was in no danger of being fired for his comments.

G-Fafif Jul 12 2012 01:09 PM Re: The Kid

Tom notices Reggie loves to talk. Tom Seaver regaled a crowd of 900 in the Adam's Mark ballroom today with stories of his career as the keynote speaker at the Triple-A All-Star Luncheon. Prior to the luncheon, Seaver met the media and provided a few similar tales. But he quickly turned serious when I asked him his thoughts on Reggie Jackson's recent diatribe to Sports Illustrated that several Hall of Famers -- including the recently deceased Gary Carter -- did not belong in Cooperstown. Those words drew the ire of former Carter teammate and current Bisons manager Wally Backman, who called Bergen Record columnist Bob Klapisch over the weekend to complain about Jackson's comments. Said Seaver: "Reggie is Reggie and I like Reggie but Reggie sometimes turns the logical part of his brain off. And Reggie loves to talk. It just didn't make very much sense to me. Asked what kind of reception Jackson will receive from Hall of Famers in Cooperstown at this month's induction ceremonies, Seaver said, "It will be interesting to see, won't it? Reggie will apologize. He's very diplomatic. The other part of it is he believes very strongly about the institution. He wouldn't be saying that if it was just about himself I hope. And he's too bright not to be that way."

Edgy MD Jul 12 2012 01:18 PM Re: The Kid

Yeah, when it comes to Hall of Famers, I think Reggie is smarter than most. But conversely, he strikes me as wiser than very few. He'd do well if his apology came with a meaningful donation to the Gary Carter foundation or to support myeloma research.