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Mets by the Gravesite
Edgy MD Feb 17 2012 10:07 PM |
The first Mets uniformed personnel member to die was Red Kress, who passed away from a heart attack after coaching the team during the 1962 season. Despite sharing a staff with old timers like Casey Stengel and Rogers Hornsby, the younger Kress was the first to go --- only 57, like Gary Carter.
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Benjamin Grimm Feb 18 2012 04:55 AM Re: Mets by the Gravestone |
Having the signature on the tombstone is pretty classy.
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Edgy MD Feb 18 2012 05:55 AM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
Casey called Kress "the hardest working coach I ever saw." That's the sort of thing you get out of a morning-after obituary, but it is true that he was originally hired for the Syracuse staff, but apparently made such an impression at camp that Casey added him to the big-league squad.
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Edgy MD Feb 18 2012 05:03 PM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
As noted above, Red Kress wasn't alone long in the Mets afterlife. Passing away November 29, 1962,, he was soon followed by Rogers Hornsby, the original Mets batting instructor and the first Mets Hall of Famer. (He had been inducted 20 years before, garnering 78.1% of the vote of the BBWAA.) While Casey seemed to defer to him in hitting instruction, there was a conflict between the two, with Casey telling the players to hit the ball to the corners and Hornsby telling them to hit it up the middle, while I was (or would have been) telling them to stop aiming where they hit the ball and to just concentrate on hitting it hard. Anyhow, it made some sense that the Rajah would be preaching about squaring up and hitting the ball hard, while Casey, with his more pedestrian playing career, would be talking about finding a way to hit 'em where they ain't.
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MFS62 Feb 18 2012 08:15 PM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
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That's interesting. IIRC, in his book "The Long Season", Jim Brosnan talked about Rajah instructing his hitters in St. Louis "Hit the top half of the ball. It will scoot through the infield like a scared rabbit". "The top of the ball?", Brosnan wondered "if he wanted us to hit a particular stitch". Later
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RealityChuck Feb 18 2012 08:53 PM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
Supposedly, Hornsby scouted the NL before the 1962 season and only had one positive comment: "Looks like he could be a major league ball player." The player in question was Willie Mays.
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dinosaur jesus Feb 19 2012 09:30 AM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
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I thought it was the Yankees, not the NL. And the player was Mickey Mantle. Same idea. What his stone was supposed to read: "Sure I piss in the shower. What are you going to do about it?" In the Ty Cobb movie with Tommy Lee Jones, Cobb is at an old-timer's convention, and nobody will hang out with him because they hate him so much. They're all at a party in Rogers Hornsby's room, and Cobb isn't invited. I don't think so. Hornsby was hated much more than Cobb. I think he really was the greatest right-handed hitter who ever lived, and I'm actually from Travis County, but I don't have any plans to visit his grave the next time I'm down there.
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Edgy MD Feb 19 2012 12:50 PM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
Been a long time without a Dinopost. Nice to hear from you.
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Edgy MD Feb 21 2012 09:46 PM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
When you list Hall-of-Famers the Mets have employed, you perhaps wouldn't want to overlook Tom Meany. Meany, the Mets'
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Benjamin Grimm Feb 22 2012 04:43 AM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
Some of that info would look good on his Wikipedia page, if anyone is so inclined.
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metsguyinmichigan Feb 22 2012 12:53 PM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
This is an oddly cool thread, Edgy. Looking forward to the rest.
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Edgy MD Feb 22 2012 06:10 PM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
Well, I'm still coming up empty on the gravesite of Tom Meany. It goes to show you that ballplayers get remembered longer than writers. Sorry, Dickens.
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Edgy MD Mar 04 2012 07:13 PM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
Got a beat on Wid Matthews. Apparently buried in Roseland Park Cemetary in Hattiesburg, MS.
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Edgy MD Mar 04 2012 08:08 PM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
It would be four and half years before the any players or key executives would pass on with the Mets on his or her résumé. The Mets built their early leadership crew with some experienced veteran guys, and they all started falling down like toy soldiers in the first half of the seventies, but nobody would have expected the first would be then-current GM John Joseph "Grandma" (Johnny) Murphy, who died on January 14, 1970 following a New Year's Eve heart attack, at 61, three months after seeing the most miraculous of World Championships come to pass on his watch.
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metsguyinmichigan Mar 04 2012 08:56 PM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
Fascinating stuff, Edgy! I don't recall the Mets wearing a black armband or anything in 1970 for Murphy. Hard to imagine a team losing a sitting GM these days and not adding a patch or something.
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Edgy MD Mar 05 2012 06:35 AM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
Much less a sitting GM sitting on top of a championship.
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Edgy MD Jul 27 2012 08:26 AM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
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The end of the Mets' championship run perhaps came not on the field of honor, but via decaptiation from behind. For little more than two years after losing their championship GM, manager and legendary Brooklyn Dodger vet Gil Hodges was felled by a heart attack. He had been similarly stricken during a September 1968 game, and subsequently gave up the cigarette habit that virtually all young men of his generation picked up in the military (if not sooner). But nicotine is a jealous lover, and as few as the vices were that the skipper reputedly entertained, he fell back in with her.
I'm not going to tell you that he singlehandedly made Chuck Cottier a defensive wizard at second or taught Claude Osteen to place his slider, but that is a team going in the right direction. We've long been able to distinguish the excellence of a well performing player surrounded by the bad-talent teammates he's surrounded with, but we've made relatively little effort to isolate the efforts of a manager statistically. All we seem to know is that managers who win championships are doing a great job. Well, I'm here to tell you that some managers on sixth-place teams are doing a good job also. Let's see how many games you win when your GM refuses to get you a thirdbaseman better than Ed Brinkman. Nice sox, too. Well, you know where it goes from there. If you listened to last night's broadcast, you heard a little bit about a pitcher named Bill Denehy. The Mets, considering Hodges tenure in Washington merely an internship for his return to New York, sent Denehy to Washington for Hodges, and his leadership has long been cited as crucial for the most miraculous of championships. You believe what you wanna believe. Glory is fleeting, and the end came on a golf course two and a half years later during a brief players' strike, while Hodges was on the links with his horrified coaching staff looking on. Decades later, Joe Pignatano would tearfully describe his longtime colleague going down hard before their eyes. Baseball writer Fred Girard began his column with "I don't really know how to do this." Gil Hodges' remains lay in his adopted borough of Brooklyn, in Holy Cross Cemetery, at 3620 Tilden Avenue. His grave is in the St. Catherine Section, Range B, Lot 191/193, under a simple marble monument that says nothing of his fame on the baseball field or his heroism on the battlefield. Space beside him remains reserved for his beloved Joan, now 40 years his widow.
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 27 2012 08:40 AM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
Nicely done! I'm tempted to get in the car and drive to Petersburg, Indiana just so I can take a photo of the Gil Hodges Bridge.
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Edgy MD Jul 27 2012 08:45 AM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
I'm pretty sure there's a photo in one or more of his bios. I'll check and see if I can scan one in this weekend.
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 27 2012 09:31 AM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 27 2012 09:51 AM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
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Edgy MD Jul 27 2012 09:53 AM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
Thanks. Keep the monuments coming.
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Edgy MD Aug 01 2012 05:43 PM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
So, if I was to take the theme of this thread and start a blog, what should it be called?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2012 06:32 PM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
Bring Out Your Dead Mets
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Edgy MD Aug 01 2012 07:11 PM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
I like the second one. Hope they're all at peace.
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Frayed Knot Aug 01 2012 08:59 PM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
Taking the Mets for Granite
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G-Fafif Aug 02 2012 08:29 AM Re: Mets by the Gravesite |
The Tragic Is Back.
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