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Edgy MD
Feb 17 2012 10:07 PM

The first Mets uniformed personnel member to die was Red Kress, who passed away from a heart attack after coaching the team during the 1962 season. Despite sharing a staff with old timers like Casey Stengel and Rogers Hornsby, the younger Kress was the first to go --- only 57, like Gary Carter.



Red's remains lie under this marker in Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Glendale, California.



If you can read that monument a stone's throw away, it says DAVIS. That's the Sammy Davis, Jr. family plot. Fancy neighbors, Red.

Coaches weren't officially associated with their assignments back then (not typically, anyhow) but I would guess he instructed the infielders.

Benjamin Grimm
Feb 18 2012 04:55 AM
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Having the signature on the tombstone is pretty classy.

Edgy MD
Feb 18 2012 05:55 AM
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Casey called Kress "the hardest working coach I ever saw." That's the sort of thing you get out of a morning-after obituary, but it is true that he was originally hired for the Syracuse staff, but apparently made such an impression at camp that Casey added him to the big-league squad.

I'm not sure if he was technically replaced. During the 1962-1963 offseason, Ernie White replaced Red Ruffing, who was the pitching coach even if they didn't always specify a role for coaches back then. But in place of Kress and de facto batting instructor Rogers Hornsby (who died a month later), they added only Clyde McCullough, a former catcher.

Edgy MD
Feb 18 2012 05:03 PM
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As noted above, Red Kress wasn't alone long in the Mets afterlife. Passing away November 29, 1962,, he was soon followed by Rogers Hornsby, the original Mets batting instructor and the first Mets Hall of Famer. (He had been inducted 20 years before, garnering 78.1% of the vote of the BBWAA.) While Casey seemed to defer to him in hitting instruction, there was a conflict between the two, with Casey telling the players to hit the ball to the corners and Hornsby telling them to hit it up the middle, while I was (or would have been) telling them to stop aiming where they hit the ball and to just concentrate on hitting it hard. Anyhow, it made some sense that the Rajah would be preaching about squaring up and hitting the ball hard, while Casey, with his more pedestrian playing career, would be talking about finding a way to hit 'em where they ain't.

Besides, in the Polo Grounds, if you're going to aim, you might as well aim for the corners.

Anyhow, Hornsby, disliked in his playing days, widely regarded as an unreconstructed racist and gambler (but an avoider of cigarettes, alcohol, and the movies), must've been an interesting thing on the original Mets, the first team ever integrated from day one. Like Kress, he was felled by a heart attack. This was apparently preceded by cataract surgery in December followed by a stroke, which had been presumed to be small, but I guess did heart damage.

Pallbearers included Ray Schalk, Ted Lyons, Gabby Hearnett, Rip Collins, Lou Boudreau, Johnny Mostill, Frank Parenti, and Glen Miller. For a disliked guy, that's a lot of Hall of Famers to have carrying your box. His last request was widely noted, that he didn't want flowers. Apparently, he just really disliked flowers, but he also wanted any money going to the National Heart Fund instead.

Anyhow, the truth is that he was really a big softy. Hornsby is buried in the family plot in (get this) Hornsby Bend Cemetery in Travis County, TX.



You'd think that a cemetery would have a lusher lawn around the graves of the family who apparently gave the place it's name, but you know, it's Texas. Growing grass is hard. I'm not sure if that glove is a permanent part of the monument. it would be cool if it were, but it looks to be an actual glove that the photographer or another visitor placed there.



Only speculation can tell us if Ron Hunt, Ed Kranepool, Joe Christopher, Danny Napoleon, Cleon Jones, and Ron Swoboda and all might have had developed more consistent batmanship under the tutelage of the man frequently referred to (at least up until the end of his life) as the greatest righthanded hitter of all time. So, next time you're in Travis County (and you someday will be there, as it is the county which includes Austin and Round Rock) go visit the Rajah, the man who, along with Babe Ruth, discovered that if you uppercut on the ball, often enough, you may hit the ball really really far.





MFS62
Feb 18 2012 08:15 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
So, next time you're in Travis County (and you someday will be there, as it is the county which includes Austin and Round Rock) go visit the Rajah, the man who, along with Babe Ruth, discovered that if you uppercut on the ball, often enough, you may hit the ball really really far.

That's interesting. IIRC, in his book "The Long Season", Jim Brosnan talked about Rajah instructing his hitters in St. Louis "Hit the top half of the ball. It will scoot through the infield like a scared rabbit". "The top of the ball?", Brosnan wondered "if he wanted us to hit a particular stitch".

Later

RealityChuck
Feb 18 2012 08:53 PM
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Supposedly, Hornsby scouted the NL before the 1962 season and only had one positive comment: "Looks like he could be a major league ball player." The player in question was Willie Mays.

dinosaur jesus
Feb 19 2012 09:30 AM
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RealityChuck wrote:
Supposedly, Hornsby scouted the NL before the 1962 season and only had one positive comment: "Looks like he could be a major league ball player." The player in question was Willie Mays.


I thought it was the Yankees, not the NL. And the player was Mickey Mantle. Same idea.

What his stone was supposed to read: "Sure I piss in the shower. What are you going to do about it?" In the Ty Cobb movie with Tommy Lee Jones, Cobb is at an old-timer's convention, and nobody will hang out with him because they hate him so much. They're all at a party in Rogers Hornsby's room, and Cobb isn't invited. I don't think so. Hornsby was hated much more than Cobb. I think he really was the greatest right-handed hitter who ever lived, and I'm actually from Travis County, but I don't have any plans to visit his grave the next time I'm down there.

Edgy MD
Feb 19 2012 12:50 PM
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Been a long time without a Dinopost. Nice to hear from you.

Edgy MD
Feb 21 2012 09:46 PM
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When you list Hall-of-Famers the Mets have employed, you perhaps wouldn't want to overlook Tom Meany. Meany, the Mets'
public relations guy in 1962-1963 and promotions director in 1964 (does that make him the father of Banner Day?) took the
would-be route of Adam Rubin toward baseball employment, having jumped the fence after decades of writing about the game,
working with several papers and authoring over a dozen books, while gaining a rep as one of the game's great raconteurs.
(When Toots Shor's closed, guess who was the toastmaster on their last night.) His big scoop as a baseball writer came when
he ducked under the bleachers during a rain delay and stumbled upon the scene of John McGraw packing his office up to turn the
team over to Bill Terry.



Felled by hemorrhage on September 11 of 1964, he became the first Met (so much as he was a Met) passing in about 21 months.
He was posthumously honored with the J. Taylor Spink Award in 1975 (so much as that would allow you to be called a Hall of
Famer, and it's really not supposed to). In the seventies, they would give the award to two or more a year, and he was
honored in the same year as Shirley Povich, which is sort of like going into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame the same year as the
Beatles, you know? But good on him.



On December 31, 1959, the Dodgers lease on Ebbets Field expired. The Dodgers leaving town should have been a dead story
by then, but he showed up to see the team's caretaker turn the keys over to the new landlord, who would begin demolishing
the place, writing, “Being Irish, I have attended my share of wakes, Lord have mercy on us all, but on New Year’s Eve at historical
Ebbets Field, I went for the first time to a wake without a body. The corpse was alive and kicking 3,000 miles away in Los Angeles.
All that was left at Ebbets Field was the spirit and that was giving up the ghost at noon.”

Seems like a great character. Unfortunately, while I found some great statements while searching, I can't figure out where he is
buried, which kind of falls short of the whole purpose of this thread. He was born in Brooklyn, and died somewhere in New York, so
it's pretty safe to assume he was buried in New York City limits, or possibly Long Island. Beyond that, the trail has gone cold.

Benjamin Grimm
Feb 22 2012 04:43 AM
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Some of that info would look good on his Wikipedia page, if anyone is so inclined.

metsguyinmichigan
Feb 22 2012 12:53 PM
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This is an oddly cool thread, Edgy. Looking forward to the rest.

Edgy MD
Feb 22 2012 06:10 PM
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Well, I'm still coming up empty on the gravesite of Tom Meany. It goes to show you that ballplayers get remembered longer than writers. Sorry, Dickens.

The next administrator to leave his earthly form behind was one Wid Matthews who, unlike Meany, was a player --- a long time ago. Wid, an outfielder, garnered about a years worth of plate appearances over three seasons in the mid-twenties, playing with two American League franchises that would be as doomed as he by the time the Mets would come into existence: The Philadephia Athletics and the Washington Senators (or Griffs or Nats or whatever they were calling themselves then). A rare good time to be a Senator, though, and hopefully he got a piece of the post-season money.



In his post-playing days, Wid (actual name: Wid) spent seven seasons as de facto GM of the Cubs, having learned the trade under Branch Rickey with the Cards and Dodgers. He broke the color line for the Cubbies, signing and promoting Ernie Banks. He also gave Buck O'Neil his first MLB job, but he wasn't as aggressive with black and Latino talent as his National League rivals and the team failed to prosper. He moved on to Milwaukee where he was second in command, before becoming one of the first front office employees the Mets signed in 1961.

Cub history does not look kindly on him (or any of their GMs, to be frank). He made a few good trades, a few disastrous ones. He made a deal with his top minor league team that he wouldn't pluck any of the prospects mid-season without permission from them. I guess he was just too much of a gentleman. Once, when asked how he rated prospects, he said… "When I shake hands with a boy and he has a good grip, that's one of the essentials. Then I pat him on the shoulder to see how muscular he is." That may not have been meant to be taken seriously, but that's never stopped a Cubs fan. By 1956, they were hanging him in effigy at Wrigley. Seriously. (No photos available without payment, unfortunately, and I ain't paying.)



The UMDB lists him as "Administrative Assistant," which could mean typist, but along with Johnny Murphy, he was a top aide to GM George Weiss, serving as irector of player personnel, and may have considered himself the heir apparent before resigning during the 1964 season. Maybe he was as frustrated with Weiss's dinosaur act as everybody else was.

Moving on to the California Angels, he died following the 1965 organizational meetings, passing away in a West Hollywood hotel room, which is sad enough for a country song.



The Angels would pay us back decades later by sending us Gary Matthews, who didn't die on the job but kinda did.

Wid's the shizz. A thousand guys like him in baseball history, but none quite like him, you know? And maybe if he didn't bring O'Neill and Banks into the bigs, somebody else likely would've. But he did. So cool.

Nonetheless, I can't find the man's remains. I've got bloodhounds on the case.

Edgy MD
Mar 04 2012 07:13 PM
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Got a beat on Wid Matthews. Apparently buried in Roseland Park Cemetary in Hattiesburg, MS.



Can't find the site, yet, but I expect any and all Met fans within spitting distance of Hattiesburg to get us some photos. Other folks with remains buried here include Rob Tyner of the MC5.

Edgy MD
Mar 04 2012 08:08 PM
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It would be four and half years before the any players or key executives would pass on with the Mets on his or her résumé. The Mets built their early leadership crew with some experienced veteran guys, and they all started falling down like toy soldiers in the first half of the seventies, but nobody would have expected the first would be then-current GM John Joseph "Grandma" (Johnny) Murphy, who died on January 14, 1970 following a New Year's Eve heart attack, at 61, three months after seeing the most miraculous of World Championships come to pass on his watch.



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Murphy had a heckuva career before the war, and came back with some success after, pitching for the Yankees as a relief specialist in the days before relief specialists. He started 20 games as a rookie and then only 20 more the rest of his career, spanning 415 appearances. He racked up 107 saves before anyone knew what a save was and he pulled off a Yankeerific .637 winning percentage, spanning the years from Ruth to Berra.



His career interruption was not for overseas service but due to a voluntary retirement during World War II so he could be part of the wartime civilian workforce. Big of him, I would guess.

Moif finished his career with a single season in Boston, and despite a 2.80 ERA, Tom Yawkey instead offered him the job of director of minor league operations, with is a pretty nice plum for a guy's pudding. He spent 13 seasons managing their development and/or scouting departments, generally surrounding himself with white folks, until he was dismissed following the 1960 season --- the type of year that gets a team gutted. In 1961 --- like another Murphy late of the Red Sox --- he joined George Weiss with the Mets, worked his way up to vice president, and was the guy in the right spot later when then GM Bing Devine returned to the Cardinals. As Johnny Dickshot has argued persuasively, the team that won the 1969 championship was mostly Devine's team. Murphy's main contributions were taking Wayne Garrett in the Rule V draft, and trading for Donn Clendenon, who he went for over Joe Torre. Also worth noting is that he briefly filled in as a coach under first-year manager Gil Hodges in 1968.



Following his heart attack, Murphy was initially believed to be in satisfactory condition, but unlike the team he led, he failed to rally, and died two weeks later. When the attack hit, his duties had initially been divided up among (as it was reported, in order) Whitey Herzog, the farm director, Joe MacDonald, the farm secretary, and Bob Sheffing, the "special scout" who Reggie Jackson would much later accuse of passing him over because of race hangups. Two of those guys would go on to succeed Murphy as Mets GM. The third would go on to the Hall of Fame.

But it's better to be lucky than good, and Murphy died with his boots on and a trophy in his back pocket, and now sits forever enshrined in the Mets Hall of Fame. Or at least as long as forever lasts in the baseball sense. The remains of Johnny lie beneath an unremarkable stone in New York's world famous Woodlawn Cemetery.




He had a wife and two kids and it's kinda sad to see him lying there alone, especially considering he put together an impressive career despite having to carry "Grandma" around as a nickname. But no point in being mawkish about lonely bones. May his real name be long remembered.

metsguyinmichigan
Mar 04 2012 08:56 PM
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Fascinating stuff, Edgy! I don't recall the Mets wearing a black armband or anything in 1970 for Murphy. Hard to imagine a team losing a sitting GM these days and not adding a patch or something.

Edgy MD
Mar 05 2012 06:35 AM
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Much less a sitting GM sitting on top of a championship.

Edgy MD
Jul 27 2012 08:26 AM
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The end of the Mets' championship run perhaps came not on the field of honor, but via decaptiation from behind. For little more than two years after losing their championship GM, manager and legendary Brooklyn Dodger vet Gil Hodges was felled by a heart attack. He had been similarly stricken during a September 1968 game, and subsequently gave up the cigarette habit that virtually all young men of his generation picked up in the military (if not sooner). But nicotine is a jealous lover, and as few as the vices were that the skipper reputedly entertained, he fell back in with her.



I've always associated the legend of Gil with that of my father --- both linked to Brooklyn, Catholic, taciturn, and impossibly strong, with handsome faces despite features that lent themselves to caricature --- and I suppose he was looked upon as a father, brother, son, or even surrogate husband to many in New York. Despite his Indiana roots, he was treated as a native, and made a year-round home in New York with his wife Joan and their kids. Some businesses sponsor a Little League team. Sometimes, an individual does. (Back in my home town, Joan Jett did.) Gil sponsored a whole league, which now remains named in his honor.



Symbolic of his duel citizenship are the two bridges named in his honor --- The Gil Hodges Bridge in Petersburg, Indiana, on Highway 57 over the White River (which I can't, for the life of me, find an online photo of) and, more familiar to most of us, the Marine Parkway Gil Hodges Memorial Bridge in New York, linking the Rockaway Peninsula in Queens to Floyd Bennett Field in Brooklyn, and symbolically linking the two boroughs for which he helped bring home a championship.



Bridges are appropriate tributes to Gil Hodges, who to a greater or lesser extent, was a bridge himself, linking boroughs, parts of the country, races, generations, eras, and people of good will.

A quick recap: Hodges, as many of us know, started his career as a catcher. He briefly came up before the war, and oddly enough, his lone appearance in the bigs in 1943 as a 19-year-old was at third base, a position he wouldn't return to for 14 years. Wartime service claimed his next two seasons, serving in the pacific theater as a marine and earning a Bronze Star and a commendation for courage under fire. He returned to the minors in 1946 with Newport News before sticking in the bigs in the watershed season of 1947.

The 1947 Dodgers are historically interesting in more ways than one, in that the pieces were largely there, but not yet in place. Jackie Robinson was at first, Duke Snider was a reserve, and Hodges was trying to hack it as a catcher. The Dodgers knew they had Roy Campanella coming up to catch, and that Robinson's athleticism belonged in the middle of the diamond, and they began transitioning Hodges to first, where he soon became a standardbearer at the position.



Hodges went on to have a 16+-season career, characterized by those enormous hands (note how the heel of his left hand won't disappear into his firstbaseman's mitt), defensive prowess, strong and silent leadership, and (again) his prodigious strength. The only player who hit more homers in the 1950s was his teammate Duke Snider. Not Mantle, not Matthews, not Mays. You can look it up.

He also invested in his community, or lent his name to somebody else who did.


(Gil Hodges Lanes on Strickland Avenue in Brooklyn.)

After heading west for four seasons with the Dodgers, he finished his career with two fading campaigns with the Mets. A few dozen games into the 1963 season, he walked away from the Mets to begin a second career as a manager with the lowly Washington Senators. Here he is walking around Yankee Stadium like he owns the place, because he does.



A common retort to the "Gil Hodges for the Hall of Fame" position is that, if he was such a great manager, if the 1969 Mets weren't a fluke, why didn't he do anything with the Senators? Well, he did!

SeasonManagerGamesWinsLossesWin %Place
1963Mickey Vernon and Ed Yost411427.34110
1963Gl Hodges1214279.34710
1964Gl Hodges16262100.3839
1965Gl Hodges1627092.4328
1966Gl Hodges1597188.4478
1967Gl Hodges1617685.4726


I'm not going to tell you that he singlehandedly made Chuck Cottier a defensive wizard at second or taught Claude Osteen to place his slider, but that is a team going in the right direction. We've long been able to distinguish the excellence of a well performing player surrounded by the bad-talent teammates he's surrounded with, but we've made relatively little effort to isolate the efforts of a manager statistically. All we seem to know is that managers who win championships are doing a great job. Well, I'm here to tell you that some managers on sixth-place teams are doing a good job also. Let's see how many games you win when your GM refuses to get you a thirdbaseman better than Ed Brinkman.

Nice sox, too.



Well, you know where it goes from there. If you listened to last night's broadcast, you heard a little bit about a pitcher named Bill Denehy. The Mets, considering Hodges tenure in Washington merely an internship for his return to New York, sent Denehy to Washington for Hodges, and his leadership has long been cited as crucial for the most miraculous of championships. You believe what you wanna believe.




Glory is fleeting, and the end came on a golf course two and a half years later during a brief players' strike, while Hodges was on the links with his horrified coaching staff looking on. Decades later, Joe Pignatano would tearfully describe his longtime colleague going down hard before their eyes. Baseball writer Fred Girard began his column with "I don't really know how to do this."

Gil Hodges' remains lay in his adopted borough of Brooklyn, in Holy Cross Cemetery, at 3620 Tilden Avenue.



His grave is in the St. Catherine Section, Range B, Lot 191/193, under a simple marble monument that says nothing of his fame on the baseball field or his heroism on the battlefield. Space beside him remains reserved for his beloved Joan, now 40 years his widow.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 27 2012 08:40 AM
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Nicely done! I'm tempted to get in the car and drive to Petersburg, Indiana just so I can take a photo of the Gil Hodges Bridge.

Edgy MD
Jul 27 2012 08:45 AM
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I'm pretty sure there's a photo in one or more of his bios. I'll check and see if I can scan one in this weekend.

I like how his young Dodger pose and old Met pose are so impossibly identical. Was it him or the photographer (same guy?) who was so committed to that pose?

batmagadanleadoff
Jul 27 2012 09:31 AM
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Mural honoring Gil Hodges in downtown Petersburg, Indiana. The (Pike) county courthouse houses a bust honoring Gil in its' rotunda. Rotunda.

But yeah .... where's that confounded bridge?

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batmagadanleadoff
Jul 27 2012 09:51 AM
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P.S. 193 is now the Gil Hodges School. I woulda thought that Gil Hodges Lanes were torn down years ago.

Edgy MD
Jul 27 2012 09:53 AM
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Thanks. Keep the monuments coming.

Edgy MD
Aug 01 2012 05:43 PM
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So, if I was to take the theme of this thread and start a blog, what should it be called?

[list:2azr0nl9][*:2azr0nl9]"Mets by the Gravesite"?[/*:m:2azr0nl9]
[*:2azr0nl9]"Monumental Mets"?[/*:m:2azr0nl9]
[*:2azr0nl9]"Late of the Mets"?[/*:m:2azr0nl9]
[*:2azr0nl9]Other?[/*:m:2azr0nl9][/list:u:2azr0nl9]

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 01 2012 06:32 PM
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Bring Out Your Dead Mets
Mets in Peace

Edgy MD
Aug 01 2012 07:11 PM
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I like the second one. Hope they're all at peace.

"The First Mets You Meet in Heaven"?

Frayed Knot
Aug 01 2012 08:59 PM
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Taking the Mets for Granite

G-Fafif
Aug 02 2012 08:29 AM
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The Tragic Is Back.