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Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Edgy MD Mar 16 2012 08:42 PM

Hey! Guess who has a really awful theme song? [youtube]hw2HtRQ2U8Y[/youtube] Points for going for the "Miami sound"? I guess. If you like that sort of thing.

themetfairy Mar 16 2012 08:58 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

It goes with the sculpture, you can't deny that.

Edgy MD Mar 16 2012 09:00 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Certainly. But I guess garish sculpture doesn't bother me as much as garish music.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 16 2012 09:46 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

It's "Miami sound" the way a rapping Pillsbury doughboy is "South Bronx." Put another way, it's a Cuban made with Wonder Bread, canned ham, and expired Miracle Whip. Which is all to say, considering it's for a fanbase that generally needs lessons on what to wear/how to root when their teams make the playoffs... it couldn't be more appropriate.

Ceetar Mar 16 2012 09:48 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

I think the Marlins may have passed the Braves for hated franchises in my eyes.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 16 2012 09:52 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

At least for the moment... oh yeah.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 16 2012 10:01 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Fuck these guys

Edgy MD Mar 16 2012 10:09 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

The last Marlins song: [youtube:27d9jqvt]fof40yqaW1U[/youtube:27d9jqvt] Oh, dear.

Ceetar Mar 16 2012 10:13 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

G-Fafif Mar 16 2012 11:09 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

(All but one of) The Marlins suck. Fuck them.

TransMonk Mar 17 2012 05:36 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Nope, they ALL suck. They will be the baseball equivalent of the 2011 Philadelphia Eagles: lots of fanfare and big names without the cohesion and consistency to back it up.

bmfc1 Mar 17 2012 09:36 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

I hope that TransMonk's assessment is correct. If Josh Johnson is healthy, this could be a 1st place team. Gaby Sanchez had a bad 2d half (he's a superstar against the Mets) so we'll see which half was accurate; Giancarlo Stanton is great; we know how good the SS is; the 3B could implode if he has fielding problems at his new position; I like Bonafacio but I don't know if he's an everyday CF; the 'pen is weak after Heath Bell.

Vic Sage Mar 19 2012 11:28 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

I see the Marlins offenses as boom or bust this year, largely predicated on their new 3bman's ability to return to form at a new position. The lineup has alot of speed, with Reyes/bonafacio/Ramirez at the top of the order, and enough power with Ramirez/Stanton/Logan/Sanchez in the middle, to score runs in bunches, but may be hamstrung by a pouty Ramirez and/or a low OB%. Their rotation is similarly boom/bust with a great SP in Josh Johnson fronting a talented staff with the solid Buehrle, erratic Nolasco, FA-to-be Anibel Sanchez and dangerous & flaky Carlos Zambrano, any of whom could win a cy young or totally implode. If Johnson is hurt again, they'll likely collapse. The pen is built on Heath Bell, who has alot of mileage on him and has started to show signs of wear. But Mujica is an underrated setup guy, and young guns Webb, Dunn and Cishek have shown some good signs. all in all, this is the toughest team in the division to project; they could win it going away or fight the Mets and Braves for the cellar. I'll split the difference and call them 3rd, with a shot at the 2nd WC.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 19 2012 12:28 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Edgy DC wrote: The last Marlins song: [youtube]fof40yqaW1U[/youtube] Oh, dear. Holy shit.

Edgy MD Mar 19 2012 12:30 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

I know, right? Someday, your kids are going to ask you about grunge-era music, and you're going to have to explain it to them. Our whole culture was constipated from 1994 to 2004.

metsmarathon Mar 19 2012 01:42 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Edgy DC wrote: Hey! Guess who has a really awful theme song? [youtube]hw2HtRQ2U8Y[/youtube] Points for going for the "Miami sound"? I guess. If you like that sort of thing. good god it sounds like somehting i'd expect to hear at a disney parade, and not one of the better ones.

Frayed Knot Mar 19 2012 02:11 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

I'm suspicious of the odds for success when a team dips heavily into Free-Agency in an attempt to make themselves insta-contenders as opposed to teams who are looking for a few pieces to put themselves over the top. Look, the Marlins lost 90 games last year and, while one can claim they did so without Josh Johnson or a normal year from Hanley, just about any club can point to bad breaks from the previous year and therefore claim that they weren't really that bad and treat their imagined record as the base to improve from instead of the actual one. Usually that doesn't work. Instead, with a new stadium to fill and a quotable, Latin manager to lead them, they went for Reyes, Buehrle, and Bell as FAs and Zambrano via the trade [read: accept a bad contract] route in an attempt to make up ground all at once. Good luck.

Vic Sage Mar 19 2012 02:24 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

I'm suspicious of the odds for success when a team dips heavily into Free-Agency in an attempt to make themselves insta-contenders as opposed to teams who are looking for a few pieces to put themselves over the top. Look, the Marlins lost 90 games last year and, while one can claim they did so without Josh Johnson or a normal year from Hanley, just about any club can point to bad breaks from the previous year and therefore claim that they weren't really that bad and treat their imagined record as the base to improve from instead of the actual one. Usually that doesn't work. Instead, with a new stadium to fill and a quotable, Latin manager to lead them, they went for Reyes, Buehrle, and Bell as FAs and Zambrano via the trade [read: accept a bad contract] route in an attempt to make up ground all at once. Good luck. yeah, its unlikely to all come together, but there's enough talent there to consider them a contender. And diminishing the impact of losing key players is one thing... but Johnson and Ramirez were far and away their BEST and most important players. If they both come back and play as expected, they'll be in it. If they don't they won't.

Frayed Knot Apr 09 2012 01:10 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Note to Ozzie: Praising Fidel Castro doesn't go over too well in south Florida.

Edgy MD Apr 09 2012 01:15 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Hey, you were the one who euphemized Ozzie as "quotable" when what you really meant was that he was an uunrestrained jackass.

metsguyinmichigan Apr 09 2012 01:30 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

I like the home run spinning fishy thing. And the new uniforms aren't as awful as people make them seem. Ozzie, who lives in Miami, should know better than to say what he said. I thought it would take him more than four games to put his foot in his mouth. We know all too well what happens when teams start throwing boatloads of money at the best players available instead of players who actually fill a need. I don't fear the fish.

G-Fafif Apr 09 2012 04:41 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Edgy DC wrote: Hey, you were the one who euphemized Ozzie as "quotable" when what you really meant was that he was an uunrestrained jackass. You mean there are restrained jackasses?

Edgy MD Apr 09 2012 06:07 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Sure. Me, for instance.

PiggiesTomatoes Apr 09 2012 07:58 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Wrong, just plain wrong...

Frayed Knot Apr 09 2012 08:39 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Ozzie flying back to Miami - from the current Marlin road trip in Philly - just to do a press conference tomorrow morning to explain his Castro remarks.

TransMonk Apr 10 2012 08:41 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Breaking news via CNN.com: Miami Marlins have suspended manager Ozzie Guillen for five games, effective immediately, team announces.

Ceetar Apr 10 2012 08:43 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

press conference coming. Having (and promoting) a press conference for a guy that got in trouble for public comments feels weird.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 10 2012 08:46 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

He gets suspended for saying he likes Castro? What happened to freedom of speech? It looks like the Communists have won! Oh... wait...

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 10 2012 08:54 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Srsly. I understand there's no point in saying anything pro-Castro in Miami, but the Marlins hired this guy precisely because he'd say things to get into the headlines. To punish him when he does, only days into his first season, is completely gutless and a completes a clusterfuck all over. The Marlins are a disgrace.

Ceetar Apr 10 2012 08:55 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Srsly. I understand there's no point in saying anything pro-Castro in Miami, but the Marlins hired this guy precisely because he'd say things to get into the headlines. To punish him when he does, only days into his first season, is completely gutless and a completes a clusterfuck all over. The Marlins are a disgrace. Not that they're not a disgrace, but they further extend the headlines and drama by suspending him. And then get to talk about it more when he returns. Then they'll sign Tim Tebow. wait, that's not right.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 10 2012 09:00 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

The controversy's gonna be there whether they punish him or not. This is like when Aflac fired Gilbert Gottfried when they were shocked -- shocked! -- to discover he also told tasteless jokes.

Fman99 Apr 10 2012 09:22 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

The whole thing is terrific. All they need now is Anna Benson.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 10 2012 09:35 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

metsguyinmichigan Apr 10 2012 10:39 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

He should have said RAMON Castro, who went from the Mets to Ozzie's White Sox. People were always trying to get Ramon Castro, too.

Mets – Willets Point Apr 10 2012 11:52 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

I'm glad that baseball - our National Pastime - stands up for American values like being able to speak your mind without fear of punishment for your views unlike evil totalitarian Cuba where such freedoms are suppressed.

metsmarathon Apr 10 2012 12:41 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I'm glad that baseball - our National Pastime - stands up for American values like being able to speak your mind without fear of punishment for your views unlike evil totalitarian Cuba where such freedoms are suppressed. he's not being punished by the state or the government, rather he is being punished by his employer for making a public statement which embarrassed his employer and enraged & alienated his customer. his statements will hurt his employer, and for that he is being punished. he made a political(ish) statement that many found offensive. now, i don't think the punishment for offensiveness should be unemployment, but that's where we are right now i suppose. eventually, somebody's going to have to file a civil rights suit against a group of offendees to get the cycle to stop, i suppose, but i'm no law guy.

Mets – Willets Point Apr 10 2012 01:27 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 10 2012 01:40 PM

I knew someone was going to bring up the "not being punished by the state or the government" angle, but that's not the point I'm trying to make. Castro is a tyrant because he denies human rights and freedoms to the people of Cuba. These rights are valued in the USA, protected by our governments, and generally respected by other organizations in our country. Certainly the Marlins are in their legal rights (but not moral rights) to punish an employee for making them look bad, but I think by punishing Guillen with a suspension and humiliating him with multiple press conferences they are being hypocritical in regards to reason why they think Castro's a bad person in the first place. If anyone on the Marlins (or the media or the fans or anyone else) wants to say that Guillen's comments are stupid and they disagree, that's fine by me. If the Marlins' organization wants to make a public statement saying that Guillen's views don't represent the organization, that works too. And if they want to call Guillen in for a private discussion on how he should represent the team, that also is very sensible. But punishing and publicly humiliating Guillen for voicing unpopular political beliefs ultimately reflects poorly on the Marlins.

metsguyinmichigan Apr 10 2012 01:38 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

I understand where the Marlins are coming from. They just spent a gazallion dollars trying to market their club to a fan base that has been reluctant to embrace them (with good reason) and a new stadium built right in Little Havana. Yes, they brought Ozzie in because of the attention he brings, but also, I suspect, because they wanted a Latino who might connect with the community they were courting. Winning games as a manager is his job, but there are other responsibilities that go with that job. It would be along the lines of Prince Fielder saying "American cars suck, and I love my Honda" after signing the deal here. Ozzie has a responsibility to his employer. He is free to run off and buy his own team and say whatever the heck he wants. But as long as he is taking the Marlins' money, he has a responsibility to not damage the product. And he most certainly did damage that product.

Ceetar Apr 10 2012 01:44 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

precisely. And if he'd said what he said in Chicago (in fact, he did) it wouldn't have become an issue because there's not a large subset of White Sox fans that are Cuban/Latino and would stop spending money because of it.

themetfairy Apr 10 2012 01:50 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

What michigan said!

Edgy MD Apr 10 2012 01:53 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

But apparently no small amount of gay dudes to offend.

Mets – Willets Point Apr 10 2012 02:00 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

So to sum up, freedom of speech is something we value except when it gets in the way of making lots of money. Good to know where you all stand.

TransMonk Apr 10 2012 02:10 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

I tend to side with WP. While the Marlins' response is certainly hypocritical to a degree, it was most likely necessary from a PR standpoint. I find the whole thing funny in a "thank God this is not the Mets" type of way. Overall, their managerial hire blew up in their face. Ozzie is a loudmouth who will generate headlines as much with his mouth as with his managing. The Marlins prolly didn't think his antics would hit so close to home like this quote has, so now they have to play the corporate censor and discipline their bad boy. It's a sticky situation and I'm sure this is the last thing they wanted as an organization trying out a new image/style with the idea of attracting more local fans. I'm loving every minute of it. Couldn't have happened to a better team at a better time.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 10 2012 02:11 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

I'm with Willets too.

metsguyinmichigan Apr 10 2012 03:03 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Mets – Willets Point wrote: So to sum up, freedom of speech is something we value except when it gets in the way of making lots of money. Good to know where you all stand. Nonsense. Again, Ozzie, when he is accountable only to himself, can say whatever he darn well pleases. More power to him. He's not being arrested or fined by a government. But he has a responsibility to an employer that has invested in him. Here's an example. Clothing can be considered free speech. When I accepted the post as statehouse reporter, I knew that dressing a certain way was considered a part of the job, and that I would reflect the company, especially if I'm going to be appearing on CNN and other places that help form perceptions of the organization. Now, I could wear my Twisted Sister t-shirt to the Capitol and say, "Hey, free speech!" but it wouldn't be responsible. We have people who say despicable things in the comments sections of our stories. We remove them. The commenters sometimes cry censorship. And I explain to them that nothing is stopping them from starting their own news website and posting profanity, insults and anything else that we deem unwelcome on our site. I explain to these people that it's like coming into our living room. If someone comes in my house and starts proclaiming his love of Derek Jeter, Ian O'Connor, Fritz Peterson/Mike Kekich wife swapping and Joba, I can respect his right to say those things, but I sure don't want to listen to it and can ask them to leave. Just because Ozzie can say those things, doesn't mean he should if it hurts his team. And I'd have fined him for the gay slur, too.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 10 2012 06:59 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I understand where the Marlins are coming from. They just spent a gazallion dollars trying to market their club to a fan base that has been reluctant to embrace them (with good reason) and a new stadium built right in Little Havana. Yes, they brought Ozzie in because of the attention he brings, but also, I suspect, because they wanted a Latino who might connect with the community they were courting. Winning games as a manager is his job, but there are other responsibilities that go with that job. It would be along the lines of Prince Fielder saying "American cars suck, and I love my Honda" after signing the deal here. Ozzie has a responsibility to his employer. He is free to run off and buy his own team and say whatever the heck he wants. But as long as he is taking the Marlins' money, he has a responsibility to not damage the product. And he most certainly did damage that product. This. About 2/3 of his job is to serve as a PR figurehead; publicly saying stupid things-- things, BTW, that he doesn't stand behind; we're not talking about a principled stand here-- directly impacts his ability to do that job. This is not a freedom-of-speech issue. This is a stupidity-has-its-costs issue. [Which isn't to come down on the side of Castro-must-go, sons-of-Batista's-upper-class Cubans... I've got a skeleton to pick with those guys.]

PiggiesTomatoes Apr 10 2012 08:05 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

I also understand the Marlins' position and agree that the punishment being meted is for damaging the product. You can tell that it was a PR move by the punishment -- more so the public act of contrition than the five game suspension -- which is effectively bullshit. If they were really upset, they'd have canned him and I think that would have been more defensible. The real bullshit was Ozzie's weak-ass excuse of thinking in Spanish and speaking in English crap. He has, does, and always will speak his mind and occasionally that has consequences -- even for Ozzie. More troubling to me was his "explanation" of how each evening of the season goes. After each game, he gets drunk in the hotel bar and passes out/falls asleep. Wake up the next day and do it all again. To Ceetar's point, if Ozzie was managing the Twins, Mariners or most other teams, the comment wouldn't have resulted in the same fuss.

themetfairy Apr 10 2012 08:37 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

It's akin to Marge Schott's admiration of Hitler - a simply stupid thing to have said.

G-Fafif Apr 11 2012 07:05 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Ozzie Guillen was hired to be good for business. He looms as the diametric opposite. It's funny because it's happening to the Marlins.

Ceetar Apr 11 2012 07:06 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

G-Fafif wrote: Ozzie Guillen was hired to be good for business. He looms as the diametric opposite. It's funny because it's happening to the Marlins. Stop laughing about it for the sake of Wright's finger.

metsmarathon Apr 11 2012 07:09 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

i must confess that i'm partly with willets here in that i really hate that the second someone says something that is collectively disliked, the collective starts calling for him to be fired. fire don imus! fire rush limbaugh! fire ozzie guillen! society falls all over itself trying to punish, to force those opinions with which it most vehemently disagrees to be repressed and bottled up like poison, when it should go out of its way to convince, to illuminate, to free from misapprehension those who have been misapprehended. i don't know what the marlins are doing, but it would be more effective to have guillen being putting in time in an outreach capacity - working with those who have been most and greatest affected - so that he can see why he should not admire castro. and that while castro may show exceptional resillience, that quality of resillience is even more admirably demonstrated by the people whose lives he has so greatly and negatively affected - those who flee on boats to find freedom, and those who remain to one day reclaim their great island nation. of course, our last manager went on and on about gangsta blah blah blah. we should have been more outraged and embarrassed about that. what is so noble about criminals, particulalry those who prey on the weak and the powerless? you know what i like about abusive drunks? they're men of action, not just words. you know what i like about drunk drivers? even when they're not at their best, they still give it a go. what the fuck ever happened to real heroes? i think i've strayed here...

Ceetar Apr 11 2012 07:19 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

just a bit. but my mother always says America glorifies gangsters. (The Mob museum in Las Vegas is pretty cool.) I agree the 'positive impact' punishment is usually the better course of action. This why even if the pissed off people don't buy the forced apology (And why would they?) at least something good comes from it.

Frayed Knot Apr 11 2012 07:31 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

While I agree that the Marlins made their own bed by hiring a guy with a track record of being out-spoken and then being shocked, SHOCKED! when he turns out to be out-spoken, the thing about the Ozzie situation is that what he said is distinctly not the same as some random employee spouting some odd or unpopular opinions in the company cafeteria or on his own time. This was in Time magazine, and the reason Time magazine was even talking to him in the first place is because a big league manager is in many ways the public face of a franchise and that Ozzie in particular was brought aboard for that reason and specifically for the franchise which is trying to remake itself by attracting a following in south Florida.

G-Fafif Apr 11 2012 07:35 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Limbaugh is paid to be virulently opinionated to say nothing of offensive (he's only been bellowing about "feminazis" for 24 years). Imus was paid to be irreverent, albeit with a gloss of down-home intellectual curiosity. Their employers could have given two figs what they said as long as the balance sheet worked in their favor. When "sluts" and "nappy-headed ho's" proved potentially unprofitable, the balance tipped the other way. Those are commercial enterprises, and and their cases, in a way, exemplify the free market. People get up in arms over their "outrageousness," advertisers pull out. Advertisers pull out, all that opinion and irreverence suddenly ain't worth standing behind...even though their employers knew damn well what they had nurtured. Guillen's brand equity is loose cannon. That's what the Marlins hired. They didn't count on him turning around and firing in their own faces is all. Marlins ownership is a worm, but I can't blame them for trying to wriggle off the hook Ozzie (and they, by hiring him) created. If Guillen was speaking from some (bizarre) conviction that Castro was good for Cuba, and stuck to it, I'd sort of respect the taking of a stand. But he was just being wacky because that's what Ozzie Guillen does. Thank goodness MLB condemned him, because they would never associate with something as wretched as an arm of Castro's government, lest they be seen as having legitimized his freedom-squelching regime. No, not them.

themetfairy Apr 12 2012 05:43 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

I'm not a fan of the Marlins, but even I have to acknowledge that their schedule for the start of the season is majorly fucked up. First they have a home game - an ESPN night game to show off their new stadium. Not a big deal, but for the fact that they had to fly to Cincinnati right after the game for a day game in Cincinnati the next day. Seriously? And now they have a night game in Philadelphia before flying home to Miami for their first normal homestand of the season. The Astros are probably sitting in a sports bar in Miami right now, watching the game on TV and resting up before the weekend series. Does any of this make sense?

Ceetar Apr 12 2012 06:27 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

I was under the impression the Marlins wanted that first home home to show off the stadium. And that's what started the mess. It's not a getaway day for the Phillies, they host the Amazin's tomorrow, so the late start tonight is probably because of that.

Edgy MD May 08 2012 06:48 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

I appreciate the hole they dug for themselves early, but these Marlins are now on a seven-game win streak, sitting just a game behind the Mets. It's good we've won three in a row, because it's not only helping us close the gap on second place, but helped us stave off fourth as well. What's impressive about the hot streak is that they've done it where the Mets never do --- on a west coast swing. They've swept the Giants and the Padres and taken their first game against Houston, all on the road.

Vic Sage May 08 2012 07:39 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

maybe the fish HR sculpture has them freaked out.

Edgy MD May 08 2012 07:48 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Do they bring a portable one on West Coast road trips?

Vic Sage May 08 2012 07:50 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

no, the Fish left it in Miami, which is why they're winning on the coast, out from under its freaky shadow.

Frayed Knot May 08 2012 07:52 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Giancarlo Stanton: 0 HRs in his first 19 games -- 6 over the last 9

Edgy MD May 08 2012 07:53 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Ah. This has been Fun with Pronoun Misreadings.

G-Fafif May 08 2012 10:07 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Marlins have won seven in a row. Miles to go from now 'til then, but this weekend at the Thing That Ate Little Havana could be telling on some level.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 08 2012 03:40 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

And speaking of telling, this probably doesn't come as a shock: In the middle of the controversy, Ozzie Guillen held an emotional press conference to apologize for his comments and basically save his job. He profusely promised to do anything to make up for the mistake he had made, saying this: "I'm here on my knees to apologize." "I'm very sorry about the problem, what happened. I will do everything in my power to make it better. ... When you make a mistake like this, you can't sleep." Less than a month after those seemingly heartfelt words, Ozzie Guillen was asked a question about the controversy dying down by Sportstalk 610's Paul Gallant in Houston with the Marilns visiting the Astros. You can judge if Ozzie's response to that question is that of a man who has truly learned his lesson and is doing everything in his power to make the situation better. He tells Gallant to "f*cking grow up motherf*cker"... [youtube]E7Mvqxya0MU[/youtube]

Ceetar May 15 2012 08:01 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

kte wrote: KTE Trivia: The Mets are 4-6 in their last ten games when playing a regular-season game at a stadium for the first time. What were those 10 stadia? (And which four did they win?) so which were they?

Gwreck May 15 2012 12:15 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Yankee Stadium III (June 12, 2009 - L) Citi Field (April 13, 2009 - L) Nationals Park (April 23, 2008 - W) Comerica Park (June 8, 2007 - W) Busch Stadium III (May 16, 2006 - W) Safeco Field (June 17, 2005 - L) RFK Stadium (April 29, 2005 - L) Kauffman Stadium (June 11, 2004 - L) Metrodome (June 8, 2004 - L) Citizens Bank Park (May 31, 2004 - W)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2012 08:17 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Gaby Sanchez is batting .197 in the majors. Or, rather, he was. (Your move, Sandy.)

Edgy MD May 20 2012 11:49 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

The Blue Jays cut Adam Lind loose also. Owed about $12 million.

Frayed Knot May 20 2012 12:40 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Bonafacio to the DL with a sprained thumb. Rumor has it he hurt it hitting all those triples against us.

Frayed Knot Jun 26 2012 11:05 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

April: 8-14 May: 21-8 June: 5-17 Tough team to figure

Mets – Willets Point Jun 26 2012 11:12 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Almost as puzzling as a team that gets swept, sweeps, gets swept, wins four straight, loses four straight.

metsmarathon Jun 26 2012 01:04 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

jeez, that team needs to see a psychiatrist!

Mets – Willets Point Jun 26 2012 02:11 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

metsmarathon wrote: jeez, that team needs to see a psychiatrist! That team needs therapy, Purely psychosomatic.

Frayed Knot Jul 04 2012 06:48 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Carlos Lee rejected a trade to the Dodgers last week but either wouldn't - or couldn't (he had a limited N-T clause) - reject one to the Marlins. So Lee is off to Miami in exchange for one-time hot 3B prospect Matt Dominguez and another minor leaguer LHP Rob Rasmussen In order to make room, Gaby Sanchez was (once again) sent down to the minors so I reckon that makes Lee pretty much the full-time 1B dude. He may also have to take over the spot of #1 power guy as Giancarlo Stanton is having knee problems which may or may not be serious.

Ceetar Jul 05 2012 07:06 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

*checks* Lee's not bad, but he hasn't really been Carlos Lee since like 2009. His power's been steadily dropping off and that it's Houston, which is a friendlier park than the technicolor dreamcoat.

Edgy MD Jul 05 2012 07:12 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Too many Lees (Carlos, Derrek, Travis...) playing first base in the bigs the last dozen years. Can't keep 'em straight. It's like colonial Virginia out there.

Frayed Knot Jul 05 2012 07:28 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Edgy DC wrote: Too many Lees (Carlos, Derrek, Travis...) playing first base in the bigs the last dozen years. Can't keep 'em straight. It's like colonial Virginia out there. Or a Canal Street phone directory.

bmfc1 Jul 07 2012 04:58 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Tough break for the Marlins: "Manager Ozzie Guillen said he expects Giancarlo Stanton (knee) to be out for at least 4-6 weeks. He will fly back to Miami tomorrow to have surgery." http://www.rotoinfo.com/comments-latest ... 35727.html

Ceetar Jul 12 2012 09:06 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Caught the first episode of the Franchise tonight. was channel surfing and saw it and figured I'd give it a look. It's very.. I don't want to say anti-Marlin because it's not quite that. More brutally honest? Season starts with the Ozzie/Castro stuff (And all they say is Ozzie said "I love Fidel Castro", no context at all) and goes into a Heath Bell blowing saves montage. There team president, Samson (former son in law of Loria) seems a wee bit crazy, ran 52 miles at one point for charity. And there is a lot of Gary Cohen and Ron Darling calls. Ron saying things like "How many meetings has this team had already?" and for some reason the clips of Bell's signing in the beginning take place at Citi Field and has Gary talking about it.. They made out NY fans to be brutal in Reyes' return, which wasn't truthful, but made for better TV I guess. This episode led up to the release of Gaby Sanchez and the signing of Lee. Next week is the All-Star game and Stanton injury.

metsmarathon Jul 13 2012 06:40 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Ceetar wrote: ... seems a wee bit crazy, ran 52 miles at one point for charity. correlation does not equal causation.

Ceetar Jul 13 2012 06:55 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

metsmarathon wrote: Ceetar wrote: ... seems a wee bit crazy, ran 52 miles at one point for charity. correlation does not equal causation. sorry, those really should've been different points but I couldn't remember specific Samson quotes. The actual act of running for charity was nice, but the character came off a little crazy who happened to be doing it.

Ceetar Jul 13 2012 06:56 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Although running 52 miles and needing to stop part way through for an IV does seem a little bit bonkers to me.

metsmarathon Jul 13 2012 07:50 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Ceetar wrote: Although running 52 miles and needing to stop part way through for an IV does seem a little bit bonkers to me. he should've trained better, and hydrated better, perhaps. good sticktoitiveness, though.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 13 2012 08:05 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Samson: I will NOT give up! I will not give up after 48 miles! I will NOT give up on those sick kids! I am NOT a loser! I'm not some sick, needs-charity LOSER! I will finish this race, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WINNERS DO! Stick me with fluids! CUT ME, DOC! CUT ME, YOU DOCTORING SON OF A BITCH! Doctor: Um, David? Your pluck is admirable, but, well... this was a 5K "fun run." Samson: "David?" "DAVID?" WHAT AM I, A WAITER? YOU'RE FUCKING FIRED, PATCH ADAMS! You IMMIGRANT.

DocTee Jul 23 2012 04:58 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Traded Omar Infante and Anibel Sanchez to Detroit today. A white flag and the first, apparently, of many deals to come (Josh Johnson? Carlos Lee?? Hanley Ramirez???) . Haul includes a pair of arms who will no doubt be a pain in Mets' sides for years.

Frayed Knot Jul 23 2012 06:06 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

DocTee wrote: Traded Omar Infante and Anibel Sanchez to Detroit today. A white flag and the first, apparently, of many deals to come (Josh Johnson? Carlos Lee?? Hanley Ramirez???) . Haul includes a pair of arms who will no doubt be a pain in Mets' sides for years. One of the prospects - Jacob Turner - is a big-time prospect both in the Tiger system and MLB overall. Acc to Jonathan Mayo at MLB.com -- The key to the deal, Turner was No. 10 on MLB's Top 100 Prospects list and No. 1 on the Tigers' Top 20 at the time of the trade. He's made a total of six big league starts, with mixed results, but he still has the stuff and size of a future frontline starter. Still only 21, he was slowed this year by shoulder problems. He has a plus sinking fastball he can throw into the mid-90s that gets many a groundball out. His secondary stuff -- a curve and changeup -- is behind the heater, but it has improved. He has a good feel for pitching, especially for his age.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 23 2012 06:07 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

I can't believe Anibel Sanchez is a veteran.

Frayed Knot Jul 23 2012 06:20 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

He's still just 28 but has been around for a while now (how many years ago was it he threw that sloppy-ass no-hitter?) and will be a FA after this year - so he's just a partial year rental for Detroit too. The Tigers have been looking for a 2B for a while so Infante was probably the bigger key to the deal for them and he'll at least be under their control for one more year.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 23 2012 06:33 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

I'm always conflating Omar Infante and Martin Prado. I think they might be the same guy.

bmfc1 Jul 25 2012 03:56 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Worth reading: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/marlins-je ... dium-.html

The Second Spitter Jul 26 2012 08:54 AM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

bmfc1 wrote: Worth reading: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/marlins-je ... dium-.html Just like he conned Montreal, with the blessing of Commissioner Numbnuts.

Ceetar Aug 06 2012 01:08 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Struggling Marlins Begin Construction On New Stadium MIAMI—After a disappointing start to their inaugural season in Marlins Park, Miami Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria unveiled plans Friday to build a new waterfront stadium at Mid-Beach, tentatively called Marlins Field. "We made a lot of great memories at Marlins Park, but our fans need a modern facility capable of housing a winning team," said Loria, who expects funding for the project to be approved by the city and county governments. "This is something we can't solve just by renaming the team the Southeastern Miami Marlins, changing our colors to maroon and gold, hiring a new manager, and installing a sculpture of a giant mermaid who dances with six glittering, spinning marlins every time the team hits a home run, though certainly we will do all of those things." Loria said the Marlins will be conducting yet another fire sale to rid themselves of their recently signed star free agents, but added that he hopes the new stadium will be able to draw star free agents to Miami.

metirish Aug 06 2012 01:29 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

bmfc1 wrote: Worth reading: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/marlins-je ... dium-.html some gangster right there.. And they got it, the vast majority on the taxpayer's teat no less, this gleaming new gem from which they would fatten their pockets by taking all of the ticket and concession and parking and advertising sales, every last cent, no matter how unseemly that felt. No idea if this is the norm but it seems like some scam for him to get everything.

metirish Sep 14 2012 12:24 PM Re: Division Foes 2012: The Marlins

Guillen is tweeting http://deadspin.com/5943160/ozzie-guill ... ex-cintron