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Outfield: Next?
Adam Loewen | 2 votes |
Kirk Nieuwenhuis | 13 votes |
Valentino Pascucci | 1 votes |
Vinny Rottino | 0 votes |
Matt Tuiasosopo | 2 votes |
Corey Wimberly | 0 votes |
Jordany Valdespin | 1 votes |
Other (State your name) | 1 votes |
Edgy MD Apr 05 2012 02:20 PM |
Andres Torres has the only Met run of the season and he cashed it in on the way to what looks like the disabled list. Our number five hitter looked a little frozen in the headlights on his lone at-bat. And they're going to need him all the more now.
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Mets – Willets Point Apr 05 2012 02:23 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
That's a lot of lengthy surnames.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 05 2012 02:24 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
I suggested in the game thread they look at Justin Maxwell. He just got released by the MFYs because he couldn't beat out Andruw Jones for a job. He has some CF and division experience, 28 years old and a former high-ish draft pick, bats righty.
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Edgy MD Apr 05 2012 02:28 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
That's some good outside-the-box thinking, boy. Check "Other," if you will.
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The Second Spitter Apr 05 2012 02:30 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
I don;t know who Matt Tuiasosopo is, but his name tells me there's an outside chance he could be related to The Rock.
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Edgy MD Apr 05 2012 02:33 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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Edgy MD Apr 05 2012 02:36 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
According to Rubin, Torres has told him directly that he's heading to the List.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 05 2012 02:38 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Am on #TeamMaxwell myself. Failing that, gimme all your Loewen... all your hair and whiffin' too.
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Valadius Apr 05 2012 02:39 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Fuck it. Call up the football player.
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Edgy MD Apr 05 2012 02:45 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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You know, try and find a picture of Loewen where he doesn't look at least a little bit high.
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vtmet Apr 05 2012 03:16 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Capt Kirk is the only choice that has experience playing Centerfield, appears ready to hit MLB pitching, and is already on the 40 man roster...IMO, any other move would be a bigger risk...gives Kirk a chance to get a short taste for the MLB experience & it wouldn't risk losing another guy off of the 40 man roster (we've already lost Stinson when he was removed from the 40 man roster)...
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 05 2012 03:29 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Cubs are trying to move Marking Byrd. Interested?
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metirish Apr 05 2012 03:46 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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He's a total bollox right or am I conflating him with someone else?
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 05 2012 03:47 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
For the minimum or, say, Schwinden? Sure. While I understand the appeal of controllable arms, I've never really understood the appeal of Schwinden in particular...least of all, Schwinden instead of ANOTHER cheap asset.
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Ceetar Apr 05 2012 03:52 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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This is the easy answer, but I'm really not sure if it's the right one. I'm really not sure what the best answer is right now. Kirk hasn't quite been back from his oblique long enough. I'd be skeptical even if he was alrady a major leaguer, but to rush him into real games might be a tad hasty. But, he's playing tonight right for Buffalo?
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Frayed Knot Apr 05 2012 05:13 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Maxwell was so far off my radar I had to go look him up.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 05 2012 07:02 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Maxwell had a torn labrim and missed most of last year I was only aware of him because he was getting his name in the paper for having a good spring for the mfys. Byrd males something like 6 mills.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 05 2012 07:50 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Maxwell, IIRC (and that ain't no sure thing, granted), looked more than half-decent in center for the Nats; what scant defensive stat evidence there is seems to indicate that he's solid-to-good there and in RF. He's also got isolated-power numbers in the low .200s, nice speed, and though he strikes out a LOT (30% of the time), he also walks far more than virtually all of our other candidates.
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Fman99 Apr 05 2012 08:04 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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Sounds reasonable, I'm buying. I don't really have a horse in this race.
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Edgy MD Apr 05 2012 09:23 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
I'm just tickled that there's 15 folks voting in this poll. Let's face it, the CPF has been deader than Albany on a Tuesday night.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 05 2012 09:41 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Source: Beam Him Up To The Bigs.
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The Second Spitter Apr 05 2012 09:51 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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So how long do you think it's gonna take for the James T. Kirk puns to die.....cos I;m not sure I can live in a world where I'm exposed to them on a daily basis.
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Ceetar Apr 05 2012 10:00 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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I'm hoping never.. just hope he doesn't re-injure himself pushing too hard.
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duan Apr 06 2012 06:26 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
i've got a Benny Agyiani style surge in my head for Kirk
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MFS62 Apr 06 2012 07:27 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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That's why I refer to him as the "Dutch Treat" , because he makes opponents pay. Later
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Nymr83 Apr 06 2012 08:01 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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Ditto on both counts, Live Long and Prosper, Star Trek jokes!
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Frayed Knot Apr 06 2012 11:26 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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I like that one.
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Fman99 Apr 07 2012 06:16 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 07 2012 06:30 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
I'm thinking... close-and-late walkup music?
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Edgy MD Apr 09 2012 02:26 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Maxwell claimed by the Astros.
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metsguyinmichigan Apr 09 2012 02:34 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Speaking of getting claimed by the Astros, did F-Mart go north -- well, west -- with the club?
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Ceetar Apr 09 2012 02:37 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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no, but he's 6/16 in the minors with a HR, 2 double and a walk.
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Edgy MD Apr 09 2012 02:37 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
No, Fernando is currently playing left field for the Oklahoma City RedHawks. But he's hitting the ball well in his first four games.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 17 2012 10:55 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
So let's say just for the sake of argument that Torres is eligible to come off the DL this weekend.
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Benjamin Grimm Apr 17 2012 11:04 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Keep Nieuwenhuis. Send Baxter down. Let Kirk play as often as possible, sometimes causing Bay to sit, sometimes Torres. Of course, if Nieuwenhuis starts to show that he doesn't belong, that plan can change.
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TransMonk Apr 17 2012 11:05 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
I don't move Tejada from the leadoff position. Ruben may need to be removed from that spot later in the season if he falters, but if it ain't broke...
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 17 2012 11:14 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
I'd Wally Pipp him. He's half a scrub and I didn't give a flying fuck when he limped off the field and onto the DL on opening day. I forgot he even exists with Tejada playing like an all-star and the Mets on pace to win 112 games. That this guy's even in the discussion for leadoff hitter is all depressing as hell. Let the current starters play themselves out of the lineup.
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Ceetar Apr 17 2012 11:38 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Well obviously Torres would have to produce, but I'd start him out as the 4th OF right now. RF defensive replacement and occasionally starting for the other two.
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Edgy MD Apr 17 2012 11:43 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Would you see more utility in Torres coming off the bench than in Baxter?
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Ceetar Apr 17 2012 11:45 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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I think so. switch-hitter, better defense, more experience in CF. On the other hand, Baxter's the only other lefty bat and maybe could provide some pinch-hitting pop, it's hard to tell with him as he doesn't exactly have a long major league resume.
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Edgy MD Apr 17 2012 11:58 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Torres bats both ways, so I don't see how Baxter's leftiness gives him an edge.
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Ceetar Apr 17 2012 12:05 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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well, maybe he's better at being a lefty than Torres who's splitting the baby? I dunno, I guess it depends as it always has, if we're getting Torres more from 2010 than 2011. I don't see how it's anyone but Andres, Kirk, or Mike, so I suspect I'd axe Mike as the 25th guy and not exactly showing himself to be indispensable.
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Edgy MD Apr 17 2012 12:19 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Bax has options, right?
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Benjamin Grimm Apr 17 2012 12:24 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
I think so. I know that Torres will soon be eligible to be reinstated (by this weekend, I suppose) but is he close to being ready? I don't recall seeing any status updates on him. I suspect that many fans are as indifferent about it as I am.
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Benjamin Grimm Apr 17 2012 12:43 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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Looks like it will be at least a couple of more weeks. This was posted a little after midnight last night:
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 17 2012 12:55 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Yeah, the question was a hypothetical from the start.
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metsmarathon Apr 17 2012 12:59 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
friggin' calf injuries.
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Frayed Knot Apr 18 2012 01:22 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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One idea would be to install Torres in CF and slide Nieuwenhuis over to RF cuz it's not like Duda is burning things up to the point where he should be considered an untouchable incumbent. Would help the overall 'D' too.
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Ashie62 Apr 18 2012 02:23 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Maybe Torres can be rehabbed until October.
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G-Fafif Apr 18 2012 02:30 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Torres hasn't exactly been Wally Pipped. More like Wally Pi'd. Wasn't in the lineup long enough for the whole Pipp.
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Edgy MD Apr 18 2012 02:38 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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Seeing as how this outfield has been far from glorious without him, going .248 / .312 / .440 // .751, with a golem on defense in right, and far-from-flawless play in left and center, he's welcome back as soon as he is ready.
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 18 2012 06:08 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Between Tejada hitting like Angel Berroa's back-up and the Mets losing three out of four, all ugly, I can't wait for Torres to get back. Vamonos! There's a pennant to be won.
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Edgy MD Apr 18 2012 09:03 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Why do I get the feeling "hits like Angel Berroa's backup" is going to be a baseball expression that lasts into perpetuity?
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Benjamin Grimm Apr 19 2012 10:42 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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Andy McCullough of the Star-Ledger weighs in on this topic.
Of course, the sweeping statements about Jason Bay cover much more than 11 games.
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Edgy MD Apr 19 2012 11:03 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Sure, but we all have a backstory. And they all do too.
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Benjamin Grimm Apr 19 2012 11:05 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
The thing is, it Baxter were to go to Buffalo and Nieuwenhuis were to stay with the Mets, I'd want to see Kirk getting more playing time than Baxter has. If he's to stay, he'll have to steal playing time from somebody, otherwise he's better off in Buffalo.
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Edgy MD Apr 19 2012 11:18 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Sure, and as I said, with four roles to fill, there's plenty of time for everybody. If they all suggest some equal value, then they all can play 80% of the time.
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Frayed Knot Apr 19 2012 11:21 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
McCullough also fails to even mention Lucas [9-for-46 w/15 Ks] Duda as one of the players in the mix.
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Edgy MD Apr 19 2012 11:22 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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Play four days in five. Throw some occasional time to Hairston if you're feeling creaky. Everybody is rested through the year. Win a championship. Fend off adoring women.
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metsmarathon Apr 19 2012 11:26 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
yeah, i don't know why that's so conceptually difficult...
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HahnSolo Apr 19 2012 11:27 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Interesting that McCullough doesn't even consider the possibility that Duda could lose some ABs.
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HahnSolo Apr 19 2012 11:28 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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Didn't that late-80s Roger Craig Giants do something like that? Brett Butler, Jeffrey Leonard, Mike Aldrete, and ???? Or is that just a figment of my faulty memory?
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TransMonk Apr 19 2012 11:29 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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Looks like the hardest part of the proposed rotation. Edgy for manager!
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Edgy MD Apr 19 2012 11:31 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
I think many teams have done something like that. They just don't acknowledge it as such, and treat it as a weakness that they don't have a more set lineup. Even as it's working, the manager will be feeling pressure to commit to an explicit group.
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Ceetar Apr 19 2012 11:33 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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Probably because they're both lefties, but the picture will be much clearer in a couple of weeks. Duda started slowly in both of his previous call ups. slow starter? Maybe he starts mashing soon. But i Nieuwenhuis continues to play like he's a good major leaguer, he'll stay in the majors. Torres barely qualifies as a 'veteran' except on age, and the job's only been his for 5 innings. I expect Collins to want to see Nieuwenhuis stay if he continues to see Nieuwenhuis playing well. I think the "status quo" is Kirk, not Andres. Not going to slot Young into the rotation immediately because he was there last year and he's returning from injury and Gee is just holding his place.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 19 2012 11:53 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
And if you don't want Duda to lose too many ABs, use him at first during Ike's Unpleasant Valley Sundays.
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Edgy MD Jun 02 2012 09:33 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
So, we need another outfielder --- or at least outfielder type --- to fill Baxter's spot, at least until Bay returns.
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Ceetar Jun 02 2012 09:48 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
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Rottino's been playing there, so he can be the 5th OF guy right? I don't know if that's "Ideal" but Bay DH'd today so that's at least a step down the path towards recovery. 10 days maybe? if he can start playing the field soon..
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Edgy MD Jun 02 2012 09:59 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Well, we need to call up somebody. Preferably a lefty stick. But with Loewen disabled also, there are no obvious choices.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 02 2012 11:15 PM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Oh, I'm getting a fever. And the only prescription is more speed, defense, and surprising power from a 24-year-old who can contribute immediately, and make catches like Baxter's without hurting hisself.
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Edgy MD Jun 03 2012 06:02 AM Re: Outfield: Next? |
Yeah, what we're really missing --- but it doesn't show when you're getting comfortable complete game shutouts from your pitchers --- is a lefty bat of the bench, where we're left with Valdy and his .100 batting average. We can try and live with that and go with righties like Hairston and Rotttino (and Nieuie and Murphy and Torres and Davis when they might be available), but it's not like the problem is going to go away much when Bay comes back.
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