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IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Ashie62 Apr 19 2012 11:05 AM

Back home again, in Citi-fi-eld Suck it up Bay

Benjamin Grimm Apr 19 2012 11:06 AM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Who is that? I'm pretty sure it's not Barry Zito.

TransMonk Apr 19 2012 11:16 AM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Zito in 2012: 2 Starts, 1-0, 1.13 ERA, 1 complete game shutout, 8 K, 1 BB, 16 IP Still, the Mets should be capable of slapping him around.

Ashie62 Apr 20 2012 07:43 AM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Barry preparing for his ERA to expand.

Ceetar Apr 20 2012 08:06 AM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

6 runs in 5.1 or less would triple Zito's 1.125 ERA. if they only score five they'd have to do it in 2.1 innings to triple it. 4 runs in 8 or less innings would double it. If they only score 3, they'd have to chase him in 4 innings to double his ERA. For his ERA to dip under 1, he only needs 2.1 scoreless innings, but if the Mets score once he'd need to go 11.

TransMonk Apr 20 2012 08:14 AM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

I have no ill will towards Zito's ERA, I just want them to score enough runs to get the W.

Ceetar Apr 20 2012 08:17 AM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

TransMonk wrote: I have no ill will towards Zito's ERA, I just want them to score enough runs to get the W. I was just bored and wanted to run the numbers.

G-Fafif Apr 20 2012 01:06 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Ruben Tejada – SS Daniel Murphy – 2B David Wright – 3B Ike Davis – 1B Jason Bay – LF Scott Hairston – RF Kirk Nieuwenhuis – CF Mike Nickeas – C Jonathon Niese – LHP

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 01:22 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Doodoo on the bench, he'll be the guy they spring Affeldt on.

G-Fafif Apr 20 2012 01:59 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Pagan CF Cabrera RF Sandoval 3B Posey1B Pill LF Sanchez C Burriss 2B Crawford SS Zito P

Benjamin Grimm Apr 20 2012 02:02 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Seeing Pagan's name makes me feel apathetic.

TransMonk Apr 20 2012 02:03 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Seeing Pagan's name makes me feel apathetic. Where as I just don't care.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2012 05:19 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Melky Cabrera, working the "This Keeps My Hair On" chinstrap beard. That's definitely A look.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2012 05:25 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

As per GKR, the Giants are leading the league in errors (16 in 12 games). So, between this and the .700 team OPS, they're the total package, lineup-wise. Wright walks, giving us a two-on/one-out sorta stew goin'.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2012 05:43 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Nothing comes of the Met first, but Niese defuses a bases-loaded/one-out jam with some help from a nimble-ish Kirk and a not-tagging Posey.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2012 05:47 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Zito inducing a LOT of weak contact.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2012 05:55 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Fart. I'm not applauding THAT. Y'know, out of apathy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 05:59 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Jesus. You'd think Niese wrote a book or something.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2012 06:03 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Maybe the Mets should just let the first guy in each inning advance to third.

themetfairy Apr 20 2012 06:24 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Thank goodness - Bay's homer breaks up the no hitter.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2012 06:24 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

BAY. This constant notation of whether home runs at Citi would have been out last year will NEVER EVER get old!

metirish Apr 20 2012 06:26 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: BAY. This constant notation of whether home runs at Citi would have been out last year will NEVER EVER get old! true, but this homer wold have EVEN been a homer in yankee stadium.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 06:31 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Tiffany Simons, Met fans. Tiffany Simons.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 06:32 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

metirish Apr 20 2012 06:34 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Now that's the kind of black little number I like.....

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2012 06:35 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

The Giants are now 0-7 on the night (with one run scored via WP) with runners at third... 0-4 with runners on third and less than two out.

Frayed Knot Apr 20 2012 06:37 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

metirish wrote: Now that's the kind of black little number I like..... You mean the type with the easy-access zipper?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 06:38 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

themetfairy Apr 20 2012 06:38 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Captain Kirk's homer would have been out at any park!

Frayed Knot Apr 20 2012 06:39 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Newhouse makes his first ML hit against a LHP count. One of the cautions against him in the minors was his troubles vs LHPs - although that's something certainly not unusual for young'uns.

Frayed Knot Apr 20 2012 06:42 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

So Tiffany, when your mom named you was she hoping you'd grow up to be a pole-dancer/soft news-bunny or was that just a happy coincidence?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 06:45 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Let's go suggy.

PiggiesTomatoes Apr 20 2012 06:49 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Ron prescient once again with a call on the set-up pitch for the 3-2 change away. Let's go Ike.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 06:50 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Ike's having a tough night.

themetfairy Apr 20 2012 06:50 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Ugh

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2012 06:58 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Frayed Knot wrote: Newhouse makes his first ML hit against a LHP count. One of the cautions against him in the minors was his troubles vs LHPs - although that's something certainly not unusual for young'uns. Nice piece of hitting-- he hit an outside slightly-hanging curve the opposite way. And HEY-- Bay caught a ball while retreating without incident? He is living right tonight.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2012 07:00 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Big-balls evening for the former Thanagarian-- just one hit and two baserunners since the third.

metirish Apr 20 2012 07:12 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

PiggiesTomatoes wrote: Ron prescient once again with a call on the set-up pitch for the 3-2 change away. Let's go Ike. seriously though , how fucking good is Ron?, it seems every game Ron will do that several times a game, He has come out of Keith's shadow in a big way. wait , Tiffany is on, gotta go to the bathroom for a minute.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2012 07:16 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Murph with the fancy-handin' double-play. It's like watching a gorilla use sign language.

metirish Apr 20 2012 07:18 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Murph with the fancy-handin' double-play. It's like watching a gorilla use sign language. lol, you mean funny bollox

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2012 07:20 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

No, I mean, I know it can happen. I KNOW it's within his capabilities. But it's just kind of viscerally odd to see, y'know? Burning Affeldt on Thole? That seems... unwise.

metirish Apr 20 2012 07:24 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Oh I know , it's a "web gem" only cos it's Murphy...

Fman99 Apr 20 2012 07:26 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Frayed Knot wrote: So Tiffany, when your mom named you was she hoping you'd grow up to be a pole-dancer/soft news-bunny or was that just a happy coincidence? That's funny, I was just picturing her dancing with a pole. Mine. No offense, but don't hurry back Kev.

Fman99 Apr 20 2012 07:34 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

What a great catch by Newey!

soupcan Apr 20 2012 07:35 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Oh, I like this guy.

metirish Apr 20 2012 07:40 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

soupcan wrote: Oh, I like this guy. seriously, to echo Fman , no offense but don't hurry back Torres.

Frayed Knot Apr 20 2012 07:49 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

In addition to the great catch, Nieuwy got a GREAT jump on that ball. Ummm, is the lefty/righty switch for a light-hitting SS really necessary here Terry? 'Specially since that's like the second hit Rauch has given up this year.

Fman99 Apr 20 2012 07:56 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Nice work by the pen tonight. Now it's up to Bay, Newey and the rest of the Apple Bottom gang. OE: Duda hitting on deck for Hairston...

Fman99 Apr 20 2012 07:59 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Bay with the infield hit. Hat's on inside out (you're going to have to trust me that this is the case).

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 08:02 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Nice thing about having your bullpen torn up by an injury is that you can f with the "closer" as necessary. Few weeks of success and Bochy would no longer be allowed. Doodoo's gotta make this chump pay anywhoo.

Fman99 Apr 20 2012 08:05 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Lazy fly out for the Duder. C'mon, New Guy.

Fman99 Apr 20 2012 08:12 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

OH BABY!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 08:13 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

wOw

Kong76 Apr 20 2012 08:13 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Woo Hoo

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2012 08:13 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 20 2012 08:15 PM

THAT's how you work a LOOGY. With DP machine Cedeno coming up (and Tejada behind him).. do you consider a safety squeeze here? Hell, with the strong safety Newhouse on third, you've got a shot of knocking it loose even if the throw beats him by three steps.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 08:14 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

PiggiesTomatoes Apr 20 2012 08:14 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Great AB by Thole and hustle by Nieuwie.

themetfairy Apr 20 2012 08:14 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Josh!

Fman99 Apr 20 2012 08:15 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

That's some serious persistence by Thole there to work a hit out on the 9th pitch of the at bat. And Newey going first to third on that, puts the winning run 90 feet from home. And now, it's all up to... Ronny Cedeno! Aw, hell.

metirish Apr 20 2012 08:15 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Great AB, great base running

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2012 08:16 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

I would have more strongly considered bunting here.

Edgy MD Apr 20 2012 08:16 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Howie sounds thrilled.

Edgy MD Apr 20 2012 08:17 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Gloop.

PiggiesTomatoes Apr 20 2012 08:18 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Ah, fuck.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 08:18 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Eh, we still need a better bench threat than Baxy.

metirish Apr 20 2012 08:19 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

WTF was Tejada waiting for there on the o-1 pitch?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2012 08:21 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Frozen a bit. But damn if he isn't the most disciplined hitter on this team-- Dabidrye included-- by a lot.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 08:23 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

I got no problem with Tejada working it. But Baxter. Baxter!! Think Cedeno-Romo would have been a better matchup? eh, prolly a better chance of a whiff. I would have sent up Rusty Staub there.

metirish Apr 20 2012 08:24 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

For Romo yeah....

Frayed Knot Apr 20 2012 08:24 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Some interesting machinations there. We have a spent bench heading to extras but more bull-penners left than do the Gints.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 08:26 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Wonder what Matt Franco is up to. Frank Frank with a crappy start.

Frayed Knot Apr 20 2012 08:29 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Frank-Frank gets Panda's aggressiveness to work against him. And now the Posey double-switch comes back to bite Bochy

Fman99 Apr 20 2012 08:30 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Ugh. Pitching out on the steal and still not throwing the guy out? Hurtful.

Fman99 Apr 20 2012 08:34 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Well that sucked a big meaty cock.

metirish Apr 20 2012 08:34 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Burned on the walk.....

themetfairy Apr 20 2012 08:35 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

And with that pitch was born the Nouveau Mando Wars....

bmfc1 Apr 20 2012 08:37 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

The 9th inning was a battle of over-managing. If the SFG hold on, Terry lost the battle by PH'ing Baxter, a rookie, for Cedeno, a veteran, when all you needed was a fly ball. If that's how little Terry thinks of Cedeno then Cedeno has no business being on the team.

Fman99 Apr 20 2012 08:38 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

C'mon, Muffy.

Fman99 Apr 20 2012 08:40 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

NICE. Let's tie this fucking thing up again, boys. Or more.

Frayed Knot Apr 20 2012 08:40 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

I wonder if Angel would have screwed up that play in CF allowing Muffy to take 2nd?

Fman99 Apr 20 2012 08:41 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

NICE AGAIN. Two ducks on for Ike.

Frayed Knot Apr 20 2012 08:41 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Time for Ike to break out of his funk. Hasn't gotten a ball out of the IF all game IIRC

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 08:41 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Two great hits to start the 10th. YGB!! Can't believe they have another lefty out there...

metsguyinmichigan Apr 20 2012 08:42 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

David!!

Fman99 Apr 20 2012 08:42 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

PITCHING CHANGE = DRINK REFILL

Edgy MD Apr 20 2012 08:42 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Wow, Ike up in the buntiest of situations must be murder on managers.

Frayed Knot Apr 20 2012 08:42 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Bochy don't read no "Book" that's for sure.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 08:43 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Frayed Knot wrote: I wonder if Angel would have screwed up that play in CF allowing Muffy to take 2nd? I don't! I hadn't realized he was out but that was a great play. Yeah drink refill. Red wine!

PiggiesTomatoes Apr 20 2012 08:43 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

metirish Apr 20 2012 08:44 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

You know LaRussa is watching somewhere thinking he could have made a few more moves here that Collins and Bochy didn't make......yet

metsguyinmichigan Apr 20 2012 08:44 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Hensley's a former MFY, right?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2012 08:44 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 20 2012 08:45 PM

bmfc1 wrote: The 9th inning was a battle of over-managing. If the SFG hold on, Terry lost the battle by PH'ing Baxter, a rookie, for Cedeno, a veteran, when all you needed was a fly ball. If that's how little Terry thinks of Cedeno then Cedeno has no business being on the team. Battle's not over yet. Hensley for Romo-- unless he REALLY thinks Romo is gassed after facing four batters/throwing ten pitches with a break in the middle-- is questionable; he's a sinker guy, but if he lets one sit up to Ike... And he's bringing in Huff for, um, veteran outfield moral support?

PiggiesTomatoes Apr 20 2012 08:45 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Edgy DC wrote: Wow, Ike up in the buntiest of situations must be murder on managers. That works.

Fman99 Apr 20 2012 08:45 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Well, Ike moves em up. C'mon, Bay, you overpaid Canadian fuck.

Frayed Knot Apr 20 2012 08:46 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Hensley's a former MFY, right? No, you're thinking of former future hitting "Star" Hensley 'Bam-Bam' Muelens.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 08:48 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Jesus H.

metsguyinmichigan Apr 20 2012 08:49 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Freaking Bay. What is that, the only time he can't hit a fly ball?

metirish Apr 20 2012 08:49 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Christ

Gwreck Apr 20 2012 08:50 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Just totally unacceptable by Bay.

PiggiesTomatoes Apr 20 2012 08:51 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

In Bay's defense, the first bad strike call really fucked him up.

Edgy MD Apr 20 2012 08:52 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

That does seem to hurt a guy.

Kong76 Apr 20 2012 08:53 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Boo Hoo!!!

Fman99 Apr 20 2012 08:53 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Fucking hell.

metsguyinmichigan Apr 20 2012 08:54 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Lucas worked him, but that's on Bay.

bmfc1 Apr 20 2012 08:54 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Frigging fly ball would have won it in the 9th and tied it in the 10th. Awful.

Edgy MD Apr 20 2012 08:54 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Welp, we're 7-6. Need to find some confidence in the middle of our offense.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 08:56 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

sucks. That was the most exciting game of the year. And wtf with the 4 pitch walks Frank

Frayed Knot Apr 20 2012 08:58 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Lucas worked him, but that's on Bay. As long as we're assigning blame, Ike left about 57 runners on today and never got a ball out of the infield in five shots.

Kong76 Apr 20 2012 09:12 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Not really in the mood to defend Bay, but he got dicked on called strike two there and pretty much 'had' to swing on the third one.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 20 2012 09:50 PM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Bobby Scales (switch hitter, utility IF/OF and 34 years old) is killing it in Buffalo. He might do a better job of preserving the bench than Baxter. Might not too, but...

Edgy MD Apr 21 2012 10:25 AM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

A lot of good things happened yesterday. The win wasn't one of them, sadly, and the team finds themselves behind the eight ball in game two for the first time this year. But I think they're learning a lot about what they can do. The problem is you have to learn faster than your health can hold out. Francisco is going to be a goofmonster all year, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear whispers of how not being in a save situation affects his effectiveness. I'm not advocating for it, but I wouldn't be shocked if talk of Harvey debuting as a reliever (and potential closer) starts surfacing as well.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 21 2012 10:30 AM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Edgy DC wrote: I'm not advocating for it, but I wouldn't be shocked if talk of Harvey debuting as a reliever (and potential closer) starts surfacing as well. Bleah! I sure hope that doesn't happen. Hopefully they'll turn to Rauch or Parnell before that happens.

Ceetar Apr 21 2012 10:34 AM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Edgy DC wrote: I'm not advocating for it, but I wouldn't be shocked if talk of Harvey debuting as a reliever (and potential closer) starts surfacing as well. I've heard it, not in serious 'do this' comments but in the sense of it being an option. Innings limits/big league exposure/etc. whether or not the Mets are 'in it'. Grab some junk innings, probably not as a closer unless they're hopelessly out of it and next year's closer isn't on the team. If his personal progression is that he's likely ticketed to at least compete for a rotation spot next year, they may want to 'break him in' this year.

Frayed Knot Apr 21 2012 10:41 AM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Francisco is going to be a goofmonster all year, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear whispers of how not being in a save situation affects his effectiveness. Headline in MetsBlog: "Frank Francisco is a different pitcher in non-save situations" The article goes on the quote the stats which show that he indeed has been a different pitcher so far - and that's all fine except of course for the fact that we're talking all of 3 outings each for both saves and non. But then it goes on to talk about how Frankie-Frankie "looks different" when it's a non-save outing, and about how the "energy and presence" aren't the same, never questioning which is the cause and which the effect. Personally I haven't seen too many pitchers who look all commanding and stuff out there while giving up hits.

Edgy MD Apr 21 2012 10:45 AM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Ceetar wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I'm not advocating for it, but I wouldn't be shocked if talk of Harvey debuting as a reliever (and potential closer) starts surfacing as well. I've heard it, not in serious 'do this' comments but in the sense of it being an option. Innings limits/big league exposure/etc. whether or not the Mets are 'in it'. Grab some junk innings, probably not as a closer unless they're hopelessly out of it and next year's closer isn't on the team. If his personal progression is that he's likely ticketed to at least compete for a rotation spot next year, they may want to 'break him in' this year. What if he's up, grabbing some junk innings, and doing very well, and the Mets are hopelessly in it, the rotation is stable, but they don't have an effective finisher? It's a ways off, but sometimes these things happen that way, and it's not so bad if they do.

Ceetar Apr 21 2012 10:51 AM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

I'd like to see the comparison for closers in save situations that the team has the lead early versus save situations that were created via a comeback in the 8th versus non-save situations that aren't save situations because the team scored in the last half inning to put it out of reach. i.e. not that it's an 'adrenaline' thing but simply a prep thing. Harvey: I dunno, it seems unlikely the Mets are 'in it' if they don't have anybody they trust to finish games when September rolls around. But if Harvey helped them close out games into the playoffs, he'd be so hyped this offseason you'd almost want to trade him for Buster Posey AND Tim Lincecum.

Edgy MD Apr 21 2012 11:02 AM Re: IGT 4/20/2012 SFG @ NYM Zito @ Niese 7:10 pm

Plenty of teams remain in playoff contention without a top-tier closer. Plenty of teams persist as contenders after appointing a new closer in the final two months. Happens every day and in every corner of the baseball world.