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Clemens Goes to Court

Edgy MD Apr 16 2012 09:04 AM

The Feds have a team of five lawyers going after him. Going to be very difficult for Andy Pettitte to back out of his statement under oath.

Ceetar Apr 16 2012 09:13 AM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Think this trial finishes up before the 2013 Hall of Fame vote?

MFS62 Apr 16 2012 09:27 AM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Ceetar wrote: Think this trial finishes up before the 2013 Hall of Fame vote? If not, should they be pleading the case in moot court. IMO, a conviction serves a dual purpose. 1) Put the fat coward, bat tossing motherfucker in jail. 2) Keep the fat coward, bat tossing motherfucker out of the Hall. Later

metirish Apr 16 2012 09:43 AM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

It's been dragging on for so long, what is the status of the trial now?, why is he in court this time....is it the same case? Clemens you fat prick....

Edgy MD Apr 16 2012 10:10 AM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

He's on trial for fat prickiness. No, it's the same case. The prosecution bungled it embarrassingly last time, and a mistrial was declared.

Kong76 Apr 16 2012 10:54 AM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Smirky fat prickness.

metsguyinmichigan Apr 16 2012 12:01 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Prosecute him for the bat-tossing, too! Just don't put Shawn Estes in charge of dispensing justice ... again. Seriously, Shawn. How did you miss that butt?

themetfairy Apr 16 2012 12:03 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Seriously, Shawn. How did you miss that butt? I ask that question constantly....

metirish Apr 16 2012 12:16 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Estes did his a home run which in a way was sweeter.......last Met pitcher to hit one out?......last Met pitcher to hit one out at Shea?

Edgy MD Apr 16 2012 12:23 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Santana homered during a shutout in Cincinnati the year before last. Last one at Shea was by Maine in 2007.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 16 2012 12:24 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Home runs by Mets pitchers: "2010-07-06","Santana","Johan","02","Citi Field" "2007-07-24","Maine","John","01","Shea Stadium" "2006-06-20","Trachsel","Steve","01","Shea Stadium" "2002-06-15","Estes","Shawn","01","Shea Stadium" "1999-04-12","Jones","Bobby","01","Shea Stadium" "1998-04-15","Reed","Rick","01","Shea Stadium" "1997-07-19","Reed","Rick","01","Shea Stadium" "1997-06-14","Clark","Mark","01","Shea Stadium" "1997-05-13","Reynoso","Armando","01","Shea Stadium" "1996-09-20","Wilson","Paul","20","Veterans Stadium" "1996-07-24","Isringhausen","Jason","26","Coors Field" "1996-06-19","Isringhausen","Jason","19","Three Rivers Stadium" "1993-07-01","Gooden","Dwight","24","Dolphin Stadium" "1993-05-22","Gooden","Dwight","01","Shea Stadium" "1992-08-24","Gooden","Dwight","05","Candlestick Park" "1991-06-20","Gooden","Dwight","13","Fulton County Stadium" "1990-05-27","Gooden","Dwight","01","Shea Stadium" "1989-09-21","Fernandez","Sid","14","Busch Stadium" "1989-06-30","Darling","Ron","17","Riverfront Stadium" "1989-06-24","Darling","Ron","01","Shea Stadium" "1988-06-05","Gooden","Dwight","01","Shea Stadium" "1987-09-04","Aguilera","Rick","06","Dodger Stadium" "1986-07-07","Aguilera","Rick","01","Shea Stadium" "1986-06-06","Aguilera","Rick","19","Three Rivers Stadium" "1985-09-21","Gooden","Dwight","01","Shea Stadium" "1984-04-20","Leary","Tim","20","Veterans Stadium" "1983-08-23","Terrell","Walt","15","Jack Murphy Stadium" "1983-08-06","Terrell","Walt","04","Wrigley Field" "1982-08-04","Swan","Craig","04","Wrigley Field" "1981-09-29","Falcone","Pete","20","Veterans Stadium" "1978-07-17","Lockwood","Skip","13","Fulton County Stadium" "1977-05-17","Koosman","Jerry","01","Shea Stadium" "1973-05-29","Seaver","Tom","05","Candlestick Park" "1972-08-27","Seaver","Tom","13","Fulton County Stadium" "1972-06-18","Seaver","Tom","17","Riverfront Stadium" "1972-06-13","Seaver","Tom","13","Fulton County Stadium" "1971-09-08","McGraw","Tug","16","Jarry Park" "1971-06-24","Seaver","Tom","16","Jarry Park" "1970-07-09","Seaver","Tom","01","Shea Stadium" "1969-05-06","Cardwell","Don","01","Shea Stadium" "1968-09-18","Koosman","Jerry","01","Shea Stadium" "1968-04-18","Cardwell","Don","01","Shea Stadium" "1967-05-20","Hamilton","Jack","01","Shea Stadium" "1967-04-17","Cardwell","Don","08","Forbes Field" "1964-07-26","Jackson","Al","01","Shea Stadium" "1963-07-15","Willey","Carl","00","Polo Grounds"

metirish Apr 16 2012 12:29 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Thanks Grim , was guessing Johan but thought he came close a few times ....I remember Cohen making reference several times about "Johan hitting one out soon"...... How would one search for that information over the the UMDB?

Benjamin Grimm Apr 16 2012 12:45 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

There doesn't seem to be a way for the public to do that particular search. I was able to generate those results by accessing the database directly.

Frayed Knot Apr 16 2012 12:51 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Benjamin Grimm wrote: There doesn't seem to be a way for the public to do that particular search. I was able to generate those results by accessing the database directly. Elitist!! Odd that the last nine HRs by NYM pitchers have all come at home.

Ceetar Apr 16 2012 12:56 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

I failed in my offseason quest to set up my own database. oops.

metirish Apr 16 2012 01:06 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Doc could swing the bat eh?

Benjamin Grimm Apr 16 2012 01:18 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Wow, the 2000's were a pretty skimpy decade for homers by Mets pitchers.

Frayed Knot Apr 16 2012 01:28 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

metirish wrote: Doc could swing the bat eh? Plus he claimed he was really a LH batter although Davey would never let him hit that way on account of exposing his right arm towards the pitcher. So he hit exclusively RH-ed to the detriment (he claims) of even more HRs.

dinosaur jesus Apr 16 2012 02:08 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Should be two homers by Terrell at Wrigley in 1983. Same game.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 16 2012 02:11 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

I should have made it clear that that list is of games in which a pitcher homered, not a list of all homers by a pitcher.

Fman99 Apr 16 2012 08:05 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

I hope he gets the chair.

Nymr83 Apr 17 2012 08:47 AM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Fman99 wrote: I hope he gets the chair. I'm partial to a firing squad... Clemens is forced to stand in the batters box while getting beaned over and over again by all the pitchers who didn't cheat.

Ceetar Apr 17 2012 08:53 AM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Nymr83 wrote: Fman99 wrote: I hope he gets the chair. I'm partial to a firing squad... Clemens is forced to stand in the batters box while getting beaned over and over again by all the pitchers who didn't cheat. might be a short list

Mets – Willets Point Apr 17 2012 09:12 AM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Shouldn't he be impaled on bat shards?

Benjamin Grimm Apr 17 2012 09:15 AM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

They should lock him in a room with Suzyn Waldman for 48 hours.

Ceetar Apr 17 2012 09:17 AM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Benjamin Grimm wrote: They should lock him in a room with Suzyn Waldman for 48 hours. Hmm..I wonder what John Sterling did?

Mets – Willets Point Apr 17 2012 09:17 AM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Benjamin Grimm wrote: They should lock him in a room with Suzyn Waldman for 48 hours. Now that's cruel and unusual.

Nymr83 Apr 17 2012 11:05 AM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Benjamin Grimm wrote: They should lock him in a room with Suzyn Waldman for 48 hours. You might as well schedule his murder trial for the next day. "OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS, ROGER CLEMENS IS BEATING ME OVER THE HEAD WITH MY MICROPHONE"

Ashie62 Apr 18 2012 07:44 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

While Roger's day will come, Lenny Dykstra gets 9 more months tacked on for lewdness [url]http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2012/04/lenny_dykstra_sentence_to_nine.html

Frayed Knot Apr 18 2012 08:15 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Nymr83 wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: They should lock him in a room with Suzyn Waldman for 48 hours. You might as well schedule his murder trial for the next day. "OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS, ROGER CLEMENS IS BEATING ME OVER THE HEAD WITH MY MICROPHONE" Nah, Suzyn would be too busy blowing Roger for him to attack her.

Edgy MD May 09 2012 09:11 AM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Hey, it's Kirk Radomski!

metirish May 09 2012 09:39 AM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Obviously I'm missing something here - bold is mine Displaying New York chutzpah, Radomski testified that he had taken steroids and HGH for 15 years, and then proudly declared, "I don't drink, and I don't do any drugs." "I'm a health nut," he added. "I take care of my body." Radomski cooperated with investigators and pleaded guilty to money laundering and distribution of a controlled substance in 2007. He was sentenced to five years' probation and fined $18,000. He said he's started his own supplement company, including "a fat burner and a natural testosterone builder." I don't remember this NY chutzpah when this first broke.

Valadius Jun 18 2012 02:23 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Verdict imminent.

Frayed Knot Jun 18 2012 02:24 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Valadius wrote: Verdict imminent. He's an asshole, that's my verdict.

Swan Swan H Jun 18 2012 02:39 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Frayed Knot wrote: Valadius wrote: Verdict imminent. He's an asshole, that's my verdict. One that would certainly be upheld on appeal.

HahnSolo Jun 18 2012 03:01 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Holy shit, he got off. And didn't the conventional wisdom always used to be that they government wouldn't bring you to trial if they didn't have enough to convict?

Edgy MD Jun 18 2012 03:28 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Yeah, I think it depends on which arm of the government. I think it's getting harder and harder to get juries to convict without the gun a-smoking these days. Maybe it's too many CSI shows creating a level of expectation of forensic certainty. Maybe it's the number of death row exonerations. Maybe it's because we never hear about juries in the news unless they screw it up. Maybe it's because defense attorneys are the ones painted as heroes in the media. Maybe it's all Clinton's fault. Maybe it's not a fault at all, but rather it's as it should be. But it's harder.

Gwreck Jun 18 2012 03:53 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

It also doesn't help that: 1. The government screwed up the first time around; and 2. They had a total asshole (and liar) for a star witness. That being said, you can't discount the jurors-are-idiots factor either.

Ashie62 Jun 18 2012 04:33 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Pettitte would not roll on him.

Nymr83 Jun 18 2012 04:44 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Clemens should have been put on trial for his assault on Mike Piazza with a broken baseball bat, witnessed by 50,000 people and captured on tape.

metsguyinmichigan Jun 18 2012 05:37 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Tom Verducci no doubt preparing to use the acquittal to justify a Hall of Fame vote.

Fman99 Jun 18 2012 06:52 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Ashie62 wrote: Pettitte would not roll on him. It was between the brothers, Kay.

MFS62 Jun 18 2012 09:18 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Nymr83 wrote: Clemens should have been put on trial for his assault on Mike Piazza with a broken baseball bat, witnessed by 50,000 people and captured on tape. They should take the shards from Piazza's broken bat and use them to stake the (fat coward, bat tossing,) motherfucker out over an ant hill. Later

MFS62 Jun 21 2012 08:16 AM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Time heals all wounds, including needle marks. By the time he's eligible for the Hall voting, the Yankees will have had enough time to schedule enough "He's a good guy" events to make most of the voters forget why they would have kept him out. I heard on WCBS that they've already started planning such an event. Later

Ceetar Jun 21 2012 08:57 AM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

MFS62 wrote: Time heals all wounds, including needle marks. By the time he's eligible for the Hall voting, the Yankees will have had enough time to schedule enough "He's a good guy" events to make most of the voters forget why they would have kept him out. I heard on WCBS that they've already started planning such an event. Later Clemens you mean? That's December of this year, so they'd better hurry.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 22 2012 05:31 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

A heads up to WFAN's Steve Somers for this one:

Edgy MD Jun 22 2012 05:40 PM Re: Clemens Goes to Court

Sheesh, talk about Yankees being chickens.