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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 25 2012 10:17 AM

Well look, elbow injuries almost always suck and unless it turns out to be something like tendonitis, we may have well have seen the last of our frustrating friend Mike Pelfrey. Schwinden to me looks like a give-up move, about as likely to be successful as starting Batista was the other day. I mean, it's one thing to be a veteran with lots of experience but Batista was 41 and hadn't pitched well in the spring or in his relief outings this year. So It kind of pissed me off when the predictable thing happened. The need for reserve starters was obvious with this club and it tripped it up the very first time. That's just booshit. Now we got another thing coming down the road with Pelfrey's starts here, and they wanna go with Schwinden. I don't think that will be successful either. Does anyone?

Ceetar Apr 25 2012 10:26 AM Re: Pel Free

Schwinden's actually pitching well right now, I could see him being..passable? for a couple of starts, particularly if the offense ever wakes up. If it's more than a tendinitis recurrence that needs more than 3-4 weeks, I hope they're not content to wait and see with Schwinden. Cohoon hasn't really been good either above AA. I don't really want to see Carrasco (and that's probably a month away anyway) They may try to bridge a the month to Chris Young with Schwinden, but maybe they acquire someone?

Edgy MD Apr 25 2012 10:29 AM Re: Pel Free

I think they see it as worthwhile to shuffle through the ready-to-serve options in order to, if nothing else, keep the top prospects on the healthiest timetable. Harvey, yeah, but maybe first Batista and Schwinny and Dylan Owen and maybe Hefner, Olson, and/or Cohoon. You get some faceplant starts, but sometimes you find something while shuffling through the options like that. They found Gee that way, and found Niese and Jae Weong Seo. Which is to say that I don't think they're kidding themselves, but more likely being painfully deliberate. In defense of Schwinny, he has been getting it done in Buffalo. So have Olson and Hefner.

metirish Apr 25 2012 10:33 AM Re: Pel Free

Would much rather see Schwinden than Batista, he's at least worth a handful of starts.

TransMonk Apr 25 2012 10:39 AM Re: Pel Free

Yeah, I don't know if Schwinden can be successful, but I also don't see any other options right now. That spot will hopefully be a bridge to Young who will hopefully be a bridge to Harvey. Pelf was supposed to be the most likely of the starting rotation to last 200 IP without injury. Things will get really dire if Santana or Niese go down again. I for one was happy to see Johan pitch so well last night. After his last start, I thought he might be hurt.

Ashie62 Apr 25 2012 10:42 AM Re: Pel Free

Is there anything wrong with handing the ball to Matt Harvey now if Pelfrey is done for the year?

RealityChuck Apr 25 2012 10:59 AM Re: Pel Free

Ashie62 wrote: Is there anything wrong with handing the ball to Matt Harvey now if Pelfrey is done for the year? 1. It's not 100% certain Pelfrey is done (though it doesn't look good). 2. Better to give Harvey another year in AAA than rush him up. The Mets have a long history of rushing prospects, and it rarely works out. Harvey is not going to put the team in the playoffs, so it's better not to mess with his development.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 25 2012 11:12 AM Re: Pel Free

I don't know that Harvey necessarily needs a full year a AAA, but I'd also prefer not to call him up in April. Let's try to hold the spot with Schwinden, or Hefner, or whoever for another six to eight weeks, and then see where we are. Maybe it will make sense to call Harvey up some time in June or July.

Edgy MD Apr 25 2012 11:17 AM Re: Pel Free

True and agreed. And I don't know necessarily that Harvey won't be the difference in a playoff run whether he comes up tomorrow or mid-season. Happens often enough.

attgig Apr 25 2012 11:20 AM Re: Pel Free

I'd rather see Harvey be GOOD in AAA before rushing him to flushing. he hasn't been doing well against AAA batters, and there's no point in messing with his psyche by bringing him up. I thought starting him in AAA was a slight stretch already.

Edgy MD Apr 25 2012 11:23 AM Re: Pel Free

Oh, he sure as snot has today.

attgig Apr 25 2012 11:58 AM Re: Pel Free

Edgy DC wrote: Oh, he sure as snot has today. good for him. he needs more of those types of starts to get his confidence up in his pitches, considering his ERA is still near 5 after a handful of starts and the latest being a shutout. his previous 4 starts were up and down. let him string these good starts together before even thinking about promoting him. he's too valuable in the long run to rush him in April.

Valadius Apr 25 2012 11:59 AM Re: Pel Free

Two words: Jenrry Mejia. No rush.

Ceetar Apr 25 2012 12:06 PM Re: Pel Free

It's not really about rushing him, I'm not sure there's any real evidence that 'rushing' a guy ruins him long term. Guys are often promoted when they start dominating AAAers, but that's not a prerequisite for being able to get major leaguers out. It's about whether or not he's the best option, whether he's actually ready to get big leaguers out. And there's not enough data and it's too early to panic and hope that he can.

Edgy MD Apr 25 2012 12:11 PM Re: Pel Free

I'm not advocating promoting Harvey --- and as far as I can see, nobody save Ashie is --- but there's certainly no evidence beyond speculation that promoting Jenrry Mejia led to his injury. I don't know why that's supposed to be such a bleedingly obvious notion that two words sum it up.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 25 2012 12:22 PM Re: Pel Free

Here are two other words: Dwight Gooden.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 25 2012 12:31 PM Re: Pel Free

Yeah, my thing is more letting off steam that the first time they need a lefty pinch hitter they turn to... Baxter. The first time they need a spot starter... Batista. Shallowest Mets team in a long time. I demand Matt Franco and Pat Mahomes for these roles.

Ceetar Apr 25 2012 12:35 PM Re: Pel Free

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Yeah, my thing is more letting off steam that the first time they need a lefty pinch hitter they turn to... Baxter. The first time they need a spot starter... Batista. Shallowest Mets team in a long time. I demand Matt Franco and Pat Mahomes for these roles. funny thing is..Pat Mahomes was not good. Not even for the Mets.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 25 2012 12:37 PM Re: Pel Free

I wonder... what are the chances of getting a veteran journeyman pitcher or outfielder off the waiver wire in late April? I'm guessing it might not be so good. I guess there might be some guys who were released in spring training who might not yet have caught on with anyone, but I imagine that they're not going to be choice picks. (Someone like Dontrelle Willis yet, but does he have anything at all left?) It seems that the plan was to simply hope that their lack of depth wouldn't hurt them, but that hope is fading. It's early yet, and it's theoretically possible that people like Schwinden and Hefner will give us more than Pelfrey would have, but you can't count on that. And if another starter gets hurt, things will really be ugly.

Ceetar Apr 25 2012 12:41 PM Re: Pel Free

well, the chances might not be horrible, but it's probably gonna end up being someone like Batista. Livan Hernandez. Even other teams with pitching prospects are not ready to promote them, so it's not like 'sorta okay veteran guy that has no future with team' is getting pushed out just yet. Now, can the Mets swing a trade maybe? There are probably guys available via that route.

TransMonk Apr 25 2012 12:46 PM Re: Pel Free

Roy Oswalt was still looking for a job last time I looked. I'm not sure we fit his criteria or can afford his price range, though.

Edgy MD Apr 25 2012 12:49 PM Re: Pel Free

I think the plan was to not invest too much money in fifth and sixth and seventh-starter guys and bench players who are often enough no more effective than the Hefners and Baxters despite having been pretty good big leaguers two surgeries ago. Can Baxter outperform a veteran pinch-hitter/utility corner guy? Maybe not. Are we talking Tony Clark or Lenny Harris or Willie Harris or what? But if he doesn't, you're not tied to him all year. Sometimes you get a better player out of your marginal roles by putting your money on the table early and strongly. Sometimes, you do better by bringing in enough lesser expensive options that you can affordably shuffle through them. Maybe you come up with an Eric Valent.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 25 2012 01:32 PM Re: Pel Free

The NL East is looking a LOT more wide-open than it was several weeks ago. Oswalt might not be a bad phone call to make. Am I alone in liking Cohoon over Schwinden?

Ceetar Apr 25 2012 01:34 PM Re: Pel Free

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: The NL East is looking a LOT more wide-open than it was several weeks ago. Oswalt might not be a bad phone call to make. Am I alone in liking Cohoon over Schwinden? I'd have agree with you even 10 months ago, but he doesn't seem to have been able to 'step it up' to AAA when he was there.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 25 2012 01:45 PM Re: Pel Free

Missed that.

Ashie62 Apr 25 2012 01:57 PM Re: Pel Free

Edgy DC wrote: I'm not advocating promoting Harvey --- and as far as I can see, nobody save Ashie is --- but there's certainly no evidence beyond speculation that promoting Jenrry Mejia led to his injury. I don't know why that's supposed to be such a bleedingly obvious notion that two words sum it up. I just offered it as an option.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 25 2012 02:35 PM Re: Pel Free

We have to look at these things in context. I'm not in favor of rushing guys as a policy but I don't think Harvey's a bad option at all when one alternative is a 41-year-old who hasn't had a single good outing all year and another is a consensus 4A talent who didn't look like he'd be good enough to handle this job while the team was hopelessly out of the race last year. Again, my overarching point is that the Mets' depth issues were completely foreseeable and are playing out while we still have a shot at this thing. It's disheartening.

attgig Apr 25 2012 02:38 PM Re: Pel Free

for veteran starter, we have Chris Young, but unfortunately, we have to way till mid May before he's in game shape.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 25 2012 02:48 PM Re: Pel Free

Does it look like he'll be ready by mid-May? If so, that's only about three weeks from now. I think we can get by with Schwinden or Hefner until then. Niese, Dickey, Santana, and Gee had better stay healthy. If not, this lack of depth will become a whole lot worse than it already is.

Edgy MD Apr 25 2012 02:51 PM Re: Pel Free

Well, yeah, the Mets are definitely screwed if their entire rotation goes down.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 25 2012 02:59 PM Re: Pel Free

I'm saying that they're deeply screwed if ONE more guy goes down. Any team would be screwed if they lost five.

Edgy MD Apr 25 2012 03:21 PM Re: Pel Free

Most teams would be scrod if they lost two also. (Some rare times it's a blessing in disguise.) I'm nonetheless not as convinced that how they played it was such a bad move, and am intrigued to see how it will shake out. I don't know. I mean, maybe Hefner is good. The Mets drafted him twice, and his minor league track record is strong.

Nymr83 Apr 25 2012 04:20 PM Re: Pel Free

Harvey homered today! I still wouldn't call him up yet.

attgig Apr 26 2012 02:21 PM Re: Pel Free

http://www.rotoinfo.com/comments-latest ... 23550.html getting TJ apparently.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 26 2012 02:22 PM Re: Pel Free

SNY, Rubin, Martino affirm the same.

vtmet Apr 27 2012 11:45 AM Re: Pel Free

I think they see it as worthwhile to shuffle through the ready-to-serve options in order to, if nothing else, keep the top prospects on the healthiest timetable. Harvey, yeah, but maybe first Batista and Schwinny and Dylan Owen and maybe Hefner, Olson, and/or Cohoon. You get some faceplant starts, but sometimes you find something while shuffling through the options like that. They found Gee that way, and found Niese and Jae Weong Seo. Which is to say that I don't think they're kidding themselves, but more likely being painfully deliberate. In defense of Schwinny, he has been getting it done in Buffalo. So have Olson and Hefner. Good points with Schwinden, other than a rough patch when he got promoted to AA Binghamton, he's done a respectable job in the minors. Decent WHIP, not too many walks or Homers, etc...Eventually some of these guys could fill roles in the major league bullpen even if they don't work out as starters in the majors (instead of wasting money on FA bullpen arms)... One thing as a side note, his baseball reference page lists his twitter name; which apparently B-R is listing with many major/minor league players now... http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... hwin001chr

vtmet Apr 27 2012 11:59 AM Re: Pel Free

Edgy DC wrote: I'm not advocating promoting Harvey --- and as far as I can see, nobody save Ashie is --- but there's certainly no evidence beyond speculation that promoting Jenrry Mejia led to his injury. I don't know why that's supposed to be such a bleedingly obvious notion that two words sum it up. and in Harvey's case, he's got plenty of innings between NCAA and the minors already (over 400 innings so far, 160+ minors, 239 NCAA)...IMO, innings wise he's ready, but just might need a few more outings to polish his strikezone management a bit...He's had 5 AAA outings so far: the last one was stellar, before that was pretty decent and 2nd start was pretty solid as well...he had 2 "bad" starts where he allowed 7 walks and 10 runs to the Pawtucket Sox in 8 combined innings (the PawSox have a pretty solid International League offense)...I'd like to think that if he has a couple more solid outings that he'll get the call sometime in mid-May... http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.js ... pid=518774 http://thebaseballcube.com/players/prof ... att-Harvey By the way, Harvey got drafted 7th overall in 2010; the guy that the Mets are facing tonight (Drew Pomeranz) got picked 5th overall in the same draft and is making his 7th MLB start... http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... dr01.shtml

attgig Apr 27 2012 12:44 PM Re: Pel Free

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Does it look like he'll be ready by mid-May? If so, that's only about three weeks from now. I think we can get by with Schwinden or Hefner until then. Niese, Dickey, Santana, and Gee had better stay healthy. If not, this lack of depth will become a whole lot worse than it already is. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/player ... 491&spln=1 Chris Young - S - NYM - Apr. 22 - 11:41 am et Chris Young (shoulder) could begin a rehab assignment with High-A St. Lucie within two weeks. Mets pitching coach Dan Warthen said Young "feels great" after facing batters in extended spring training. The veteran right-hander is obviously a huge question mark, but it sounds like he could be MLB-ready sometime before the All-Star break. He has opt-out clauses in his contract on June 1 and July 1 if he is not promoted to the majors by those dates. Apr. 22 - 11:41 am et Source: ESPN New York he should begin his rehab starts next weekend.. if things progress well, and he gets his stamina up relatively quickly... 3rd week of may? latest June1. at least best guess on my part.

Ceetar Apr 27 2012 12:47 PM Re: Pel Free

I think Alderson said something like May 15th-June 15th for Young. Alderson also present skepticism that Santana will be reliably able to go on 4-days rest. I hope this means he's looking to acquire another rotation guy, but I'm not sure anything worthwhile is available.

Edgy MD Apr 27 2012 12:57 PM Re: Pel Free

They sort of have to go forward with the expectation that they'll get nothing from Young.

Frayed Knot Apr 27 2012 02:31 PM Re: Pel Free

Harvey gets hisself some BA's 'Hot Sheet' love for his 2-0 week. But they're still not high on any promotions for him in the near future. Team: Triple-A Buffalo (International) Age: 23 Why He's Here: 2-0, 2.08, 13 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 1 HBP, 3 BB, 15 SO The Scoop: Harvey hasn't dominated the upper levels of the minors yet, as his ERA sits at 4.85 through five Triple-A starts this year after posting a 4.53 ERA in 12 Double-A starts last year. At times, like this past week, he shows flashes of frontline starter potential, with a plus fastball and a plus slider. Harvey is one step away from the big leagues, but there's still work to be done with his command and his changeup to be able to master Triple-A and be big league ready, so it wouldn't be a surprise if he spent the majority of the season in the International League.

duan Apr 27 2012 04:43 PM Re: Pel Free

it's a bit much that we're getting ourselves in a tizzy over Pelfrey when a fair few people were advocating non-tendering him. I think the mets have a justifiable holding plan in trying the guys on the 40-man first - especially when Chris Young might be ready in 4/5 starts. In the 4/5 starts you'll probably have one where your offense clicks anyway and scores 7 runs and another when they fail and score 1, meaning that's it's 2/3 that are up for grabs. I think that's an acceptable risk for not fucking with roster stuff without trying the incumbents.

Ceetar Apr 27 2012 04:57 PM Re: Pel Free

well Pelfrey opens up a 40man spot.

attgig Apr 27 2012 05:08 PM Re: Pel Free

speak of the devil.. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/p ... ompetition Chris Young, who underwent surgery to repair a torn anterior capsule in his right shoulder last May 16, is close to entering game action. Pitching coach Dan Warthen said there has been no acceleration of Young's return as the result of Mike Pelfrey expected to be lost for the season because of Tommy John surgery. Young is scheduled to throw a simulated game Monday in Port St. Lucie, Fla. If he passes that hurdle, he should advance to a Florida State League game five days later -- May 5 against Dunedin at Digital Domain Park. Young will pitch at a higher level of the minors as well before joining the major league team. Chris Schwinden is the current occupant of Pelfrey's rotation spot. And Terry Collins said he's not a one-start plug. "He's going to get an extended look," Collins said about Schwinden. "We brought him here for that. And we'll give him an opportunity to show us what he can do. But we were very impressed with Jeremy Hefner the other day. I thought he threw the ball very good. So we had some options here. We'll just see what happens down the road." Collins effectively ruled out seeing Triple-A prospects Matt Harvey or Jeurys Familia in the foreseeable future at the major league level. "We're not going to push Familia or Harvey," Collins said. "They're going to spend, I'm sure, the majority of the year in Triple-A. One of the things I thought Sandy [Alderson] did that I thought really helped was bringing Chris Young back. I think C.Y. will probably be ready middle of May, end of May. And if that's the case, we've got ourselves a pretty good pitcher coming up." Why the conservatism with Harvey and Familia? "You've got to pitch consistent," Collins said. "I've spent too many years in Triple-A with good pitchers to know that numbers aren't always the true indicator of whether they can pitch here. So Matt Harvey, the one thing he's got to show us is that he can throw all of his pitches for strikes, regardless of what the results may be. With his arm and his stuff, if he can pound the strike zone with all of his pitches, he's going to be effective." Schwinden, 25, went 0-2 with a 4.71 ERA in four starts last September. "Last year, when he first came up, the games he pitched early, he fell behind in the counts and got roughed up a little bit," Collins said. "The game against St. Louis, he was strike one against a lot of guys. That was a big advantage for him. When you pitch in this ballpark [Coors Field], you cannot fall behind. You've got to attack the hitters. You've got to get ahead." Also among rehabbing Port St. Lucie players: • Jenrry Mejia, who had Tommy John surgery the same day as Young's shoulder surgery, is due to throw 75 pitches in his next outing, in a structured setting. After that, Mejia could enter a game-type setting as well. • D.J. Carrasco, who fired two scoreless innings for St. Lucie on Thursday as he returns from a right ankle sprain, still needs to work back-to-back days in the Florida State League during his rehab assignment. • Pedro Beato (shoulder) is four to five days from facing hitters for the first time.

Ashie62 Apr 27 2012 07:19 PM Re: Pel Free

I count on Chris Young for zero...it should be Schwinden>Harvey.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 27 2012 09:02 PM Re: Pel Free

As I was saying, Schwinden sucks. He ought to be the 5th or 6 th option, not 1 st or 2nd.

duan Apr 28 2012 03:55 AM Re: Pel Free

Whatever about Scwinden, Manny Acosta is definitively pitching his way off the roster

The Second Spitter Apr 28 2012 05:32 AM Re: Pel Free

A's will deal Bartolo Colon. Suggest somebody better before you tell me that it's a stupid idea.

Ashie62 Apr 28 2012 06:06 AM Re: Pel Free

Not a stupid idea

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2012 08:04 AM Re: Pel Free

The Second Spitter wrote: A's will deal Bartolo Colon. Suggest somebody better before you tell me that it's a stupid idea. Give DiPoto a call/Josh Collmenter a try? ALSO, Unless his agent has some, um, unusual demands, Oswalt won't cost a prospect; Neither would a few other, presumably available, retread arms-- like Doug Davis or the unimpressive Scott Kazmir-- require prospect-sacrifice. Lastly, Aaron Cook is with the Sox in the minors, but has an opt-out clause if he's not part of the major-league rotation within a few days. (Not that I want any of those, in particular.)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 02 2012 05:28 PM Re: Pel Free

Gimme Hefner. Gimme Cohoon. Gimme veteran retread behind Door #2, sight unseen. I'd 5-6 guaranteed starts from Batista over 1 more from Schwinden. Schwinden starts make me angry far beyond proper proportion.

Chad Ochoseis May 02 2012 06:07 PM Re: Pel Free

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Give DiPoto a call/Josh Collmenter a try? DiPoto would be a definite improvement over Schwinden.

Bunt the First Two May 02 2012 08:21 PM Re: Pel Free

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Gimme Hefner. Gimme Cohoon. Gimme veteran retread behind Door #2, sight unseen. I'd 5-6 guaranteed starts from Batista over 1 more from Schwinden. Schwinden starts make me angry far beyond proper proportion. Gimme Hefner, Mark Cohoon Start Jon Rauch, that tattoed goon On two days rest, start Dillon Gee Just keep Chris Schwinden far from me! Garret Olson, Dylan Owen Where's Jon Adkins?! Get him throwin'! Brian Lawrence! Brian Stokes! Why you laughin'? These ain't jokes! I confess before you all My heart was cruel, my mind was small I pierced a voodoo doll with pin Cut Pelfrey down, and brought on Schwin So blue is blue and black is black And God I want my Pelfrey back Or Hamulack, Nieve, Misch Oh, Ollie P., for thee I wish! Pitchers come and pitchers go Pitchers wind and pitchers throw And if they miss, we curse their name And if they're hit, we rain down blame So move on Schwinden, try your luck The Met fan is a fickle fuck Some day when the runs rain down We'll pro'bly want you back in town

batmagadanleadoff May 02 2012 08:58 PM Re: Pel Free

Bunt the First Two wrote: ... So move on Schwinden, try your luck The Met fan is a fickle fuck Some day when the runs rain down We'll prob'bly want you back in town

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 02 2012 09:02 PM Re: Pel Free

Now that's entertainments.

Benjamin Grimm May 06 2012 04:36 AM Re: Pel Free

Batista starting on Tuesday in Philadelphia.

Edgy MD May 06 2012 10:34 AM Re: Pel Free

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Batista starting on Tuesday in Philadelphia. I guess he deserves a second go, but I confess my surprise. Thought for sure when they shrunk to an 11-man staff, it meant another starter would be called up in a few days.

TransMonk May 06 2012 11:00 AM Re: Pel Free

Does this mean the coaching staff may have doubts about Hefner's ability to start against big leaguers? Batista is a known (all too well) quantity.

TheOldMole May 06 2012 01:34 PM Re: Pel Free

Bunt the First Two -- great.

Benjamin Grimm May 07 2012 07:06 AM Re: Pel Free

Terry saying (in the Daily News this morning) that the goal is to have Chris Young join the Mets rotation by the end of May. If that comes to pass, then that means maybe two or three more starts for what is currently the Batista spot in the rotation.

Edgy MD May 07 2012 07:12 AM Re: Pel Free

Assuming also that everything holds in the rest of the rotation.

Ceetar May 07 2012 07:20 AM Re: Pel Free

Edgy DC wrote: Assuming also that everything holds in the rest of the rotation. and in Young's shoulder of course. Next two Batista starts are against teams scoring below the league average in runs (Brewers only barely though) so that should at least..help? maybe?

Edgy MD May 07 2012 07:26 AM Re: Pel Free

Ceetar wrote: and in Young's shoulder of course. Yes, that's an assumption that was already implcitly outlined in the post I was responding to, with "if that comes to pass."

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 07 2012 07:30 AM Re: Pel Free

Ceetar wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Assuming also that everything holds in the rest of the rotation. and in Young's shoulder of course. Next two Batista starts are against teams scoring below the league average in runs (Brewers only barely though) so that should at least..help? maybe? He has to stop walking people.

Ceetar May 07 2012 07:35 AM Re: Pel Free

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Ceetar wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Assuming also that everything holds in the rest of the rotation. and in Young's shoulder of course. Next two Batista starts are against teams scoring below the league average in runs (Brewers only barely though) so that should at least..help? maybe? He has to stop walking people. Philly has drawn the least amount of walks in the National League. Milwaukee is 12th, 11 below the league average. so maybe that helps.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 07 2012 07:45 AM Re: Pel Free

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Assuming also that everything holds in the rest of the rotation. and in Young's shoulder of course. Next two Batista starts are against teams scoring below the league average in runs (Brewers only barely though) so that should at least..help? maybe? He has to stop walking people. Philly has drawn the least amount of walks in the National League. Milwaukee is 12th, 11 below the league average. so maybe that helps. That neither club has opposed Batista yet can't be a coincidence.

Ceetar May 07 2012 08:00 AM Re: Pel Free

Batista actually pitched .1 against the Phillies. Acosta loaded the bases, Batista emptied them for him. 3 batters, 16 pitches, 10 strikes, Double, Single, Ground-out.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 07 2012 08:08 AM Re: Pel Free

Well that's reassuring. Perhaps after this experiment fails the Mets will recall Chris Schwinden.

Ceetar May 07 2012 08:21 AM Re: Pel Free

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Well that's reassuring. Perhaps after this experiment fails the Mets will recall Chris Schwinden. Sweet, I hear that guy's pitched pretty well in Buffalo.

metirish May 07 2012 09:30 AM Re: Pel Free

Couldn't we just go to a four man rotation?

Benjamin Grimm May 07 2012 09:33 AM Re: Pel Free

I would do that. There are days off scattered in May which would allow the fifth spot to be skipped a couple of times. I think Johan can pitch on four days rest. If you can skip the "Batista spot" once or twice, why not?

Ceetar May 07 2012 09:44 AM Re: Pel Free

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I would do that. There are days off scattered in May which would allow the fifth spot to be skipped a couple of times. I think Johan can pitch on four days rest. If you can skip the "Batista spot" once or twice, why not? There is one off day in May, Thursday, and it doesn't really allow any normal skipping of the 5th spot. They're not even sure they're 100% comfortable pitching Santana on normal rest every time. He's actually only done it once this year. (and won't do it again until next Wednesday) I think we might be past the problem stage of where we're worried his shoulder won't be up for it, but certainly not where you push him. Maybe in September if you need to get him an extra start, but not now. You _might_ be able to massage it a little coming up to push back Batista starts a day or two, but you'd probably rather pitch him against Milwaukee than Cincinnati.

Edgy MD May 07 2012 09:59 AM Re: Pel Free

It's Terry's job to be patient where we are demanding, to make sure he still has a team standing in September. It's annoying, but I get it. Still kinda disappointing to see Batista instead of Hefner.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 08 2012 10:09 PM Re: Pel Free

Tonight was a mixed bag. But maybe Hefner isn't the only option under consideration. I mean, there's al-- Wait, what is that? Could it be? Is that... Jenrry Mejia's music? “A lot of people might forget about Mejia,” said one high-ranking team official. “But he is progressing very well, and he could be in position to make a start for us before long.” Mejia, the phenom from 2010 who is still just 22 years old, is scheduled to make a rehaf start in the Florida State League on Wednesday. Organizational sources say that the Mets are leaning toward viewing Mejia as a reliever long-term, but that it is possible he could be a stopgap starter within weeks. At the very least, the team expects him at Citi Field before any of their other top pitching prospects, Matt Harvey, Jeurys Familia and Zack Wheeler. “Mejia will likely be in New York sooner than the other three,” said a team official.

Edgy MD May 08 2012 11:47 PM Re: Pel Free

Doesn't really matter who's first. Having four guys like that on track is fine by me. Sort of the main reason I think the Mets gain an advantage as the season progresses. Greater chance that somebody emerges.

Ceetar May 09 2012 06:41 AM Re: Pel Free

Edgy DC wrote: Doesn't really matter who's first. Having four guys like that on track is fine by me. Sort of the main reason I think the Mets gain an advantage as the season progresses. Greater chance that somebody emerges. indeed. Meija is also on the roster, due to that 2010, so all things being equal.. He's also already proven he has at least some ability to get major league hitters out. But still, Mets official, lets actually let him throw a game or two back from Tommy John before we rank them?

Benjamin Grimm May 09 2012 01:16 PM Re: Pel Free

By pitching into the sixth inning last night, I assume that Batista has secured himself at least one more start.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 09 2012 01:29 PM Re: Pel Free

Boy, by the skin of his butt he may have. Heroic little mopup by Acosta.

Edgy MD May 09 2012 01:37 PM Re: Pel Free

Second time in as many days his emergency inning started the turning of the tide.

batmagadanleadoff May 20 2012 10:06 AM Re: Pel Free

Well that's reassuring. Perhaps after this experiment fails the Mets will recall Chris Schwinden. Be careful of your sarcastic wishes. The Schwinden Mets are reunited. Mets place Batista on DL, recall Schwinden Published: May 20, 2012 TORONTO (AP) — The New York Mets placed right-hander Miguel Batista on the 15-day disabled list Sunday and recalled right-hander Chris Schwinden from Triple-A Buffalo. Batista left Saturday's start at Toronto after two innings with a minor muscle pull in his lower back. Batista warmed up to start the third, but had to be replaced by right-hander Jeremy Hefner. After Hefner pitched five innings against the Blue Jays, Mets manager Terry Collins said Hefner would take Batista's place in the rotation if a DL stint was required. Schwinden appeared in two games for the Mets in April, going 0-1 with an 11.25 ERA. After being demoted to the minors, he went 3-2 with a 2.54 ERA in seven starts at Triple-A. Read more: http://newsok.com/mets-place-batista-on ... z1vQV1nzJg