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Schaefer 2012

Benjamin Grimm Apr 04 2012 04:17 AM

Voting for the 2012 Schaefer Mets Player of the Year Award will begin on Thursday, April 5, the Crane Pool Forum has announced. This will be the eighth season that Crane Pool Forum members will be participating in Schaefer voting. The Schaefer Mets Player of the Year Award was established in the 1970's, and Schaefer points were awarded by Mets broadcasters Lindsey Nelson, Ralph Kiner, and Bob Murphy. The award was re-established by the Crane Pool Forum in 2005. Third baseman David Wright has been the winner in in five of the seven years of the revived prize, with pitcher Johan Santana's 2008 win and Jose Reyes' 2011 title being the only interruptions to Wright's reign. A voting thread is opened in the forum at the conclusion of each regular season Mets game, according to CPF spokesmodel Benjamin Grimm. Voting generally stays open for two business days, after which the votes are tallied and the results are posted in the voting thread. In addition, says Grimm, each month a Schaefer Mets Player, Pitcher, and Relief Pitcher of the Month will be named. Voters are asked to adhere to a specific format, which is outlined at http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/6200/f9_t6278.shtml SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE YEAR AWARD WINNERS 2005 David Wright, Player of the Year Pedro Martinez, Pitcher of the Year 2006 David Wright, Player of the Year Tom Glavine, Pitcher of the Year 2007 David Wright, Player of the Year Tom Glavine, Pitcher of the Year 2008 Johan Santana, Player of the Year, Pitcher of the Year Aaron Heilman, Reliever of the Year 2009 David Wright Player of the Year Johan Santana Pitcher of the Year Francisco Rodriguez, Reliever of the Year 2010 David Wright Player of the Year Johan Santana Pitcher of the Year Hisanori Takahashi, Reliever of the Year 2011 José Reyes Player of the Year R. A. Dickey Pitcher of the Year Pedro Beato, Reliever of the Year MONTHLY AWARD STANDINGS PLAYER OF THE MONTH David Wright 10 Johan Santana 6 Carlos Beltran 5 Jose Reyes 5 Cliff Floyd 2 Tom Glavine 2 Carlos Delgado 2 Ike Davis 2 Mike Cameron 1 John Maine 1 Angel Pagan 1 Jeff Francoeur 1 R. A. Dickey 1 Daniel Murphy 1 Lucas Duda 1 Ruben Tejada 1 PITCHER OF THE MONTH Johan Santana 9 Pedro Martinez 6 John Maine 5 R. A. Dickey 5 Mike Pelfrey 4 Tom Glavine 3 Orlando Hernandez 2 Alay Soler 1 Steve Trachsel 1 Oliver Perez 1 Livan Hernandez 1 Tim Redding 1 Dillon Gee 1 Jonathon Niese 1 Chris Capuano 1 RELIEVER OF THE MONTH Brian Stokes 5 Francisco Rodriguez 3 Raul Valdes 2 Pedro Beato 2 Manny Acosta 2 Billy Wagner 1 Aaron Heilman 1 Duaner Sanchez 1 Scott Schoeneweis 1 Pedro Feliciano 1 Sean Green 1 Fernando Nieve 1 Hisanori Takahashi 1 Elmer Dessens 1 Jason Isringhausen 1

Edgy MD Apr 04 2012 07:30 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

That enigmatic and hard-to-identify face in the photo of the All-time Schaefer Team: Brian Stokes.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 04 2012 11:59 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

That enigmatic and hard-to-identify face in the photo of the All-time Schaefer Team: Brian Stokes. Not pictured: Alay Soler

G-Fafif Apr 04 2012 12:16 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

"Grandpa, you saw Brian Stokes when he was winning the most Schaefer reliever of the month awards all those years?" "That's right, Billy." "Can you tell me something about him?" "Uh..."

Benjamin Grimm Apr 04 2012 12:46 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

metsmarathon Apr 04 2012 12:47 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

sweet! time to dust off my improbably unweildy spreadsheet!

G-Fafif Apr 05 2012 08:02 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Carter 8.0

Edgy MD Apr 05 2012 08:24 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

What is that nasty thing falling out of Stokes' ear?

metsmarathon Apr 05 2012 10:47 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

it's beltran's mole, looking for a temporary home

Benjamin Grimm Apr 09 2012 08:44 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for the Mets' Opening Day win over the Braves on Thursday afternoon will close on Tuesday morning. It looks like everybody has probably already voted for this game, but this notification is being posted regardless, as required by statute. Schaefer POTG 04/05/2012 Mets 1, Braves 0!

Benjamin Grimm Apr 10 2012 08:03 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for the two remaining games from the weekend sweep of the Braves will close on Wednesday morning: Schaefer POTG 4/7/12 - Mets 4, Braves 2 Schaefer POTG 4/8/10 - Mets 7, Braves 5

Edgy MD Apr 10 2012 08:52 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

Can we submit Cedeño votes with and without the tilde?

Benjamin Grimm Apr 11 2012 04:33 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Please do it without the tilde.

Edgy MD Apr 11 2012 06:37 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Done.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 11 2012 08:03 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Monday night's walkoff win over the Nationals at Citi Field will close on Thursday morning. Schaefer POTG 4/9/12 - Mets 4, Nationals 3

Benjamin Grimm Apr 12 2012 06:52 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Tuesday night's loss to the Nationals at Citi Field will close on Friday morning. Schaefer POTG 4/10/12 - Nationals 6, Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Apr 13 2012 07:50 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Wednesday afternoon's loss to the Nationals will close some time over the weekend. Schaefer POTG 4/11/12 - Nationals 4, Mets 0

Benjamin Grimm Apr 17 2012 07:09 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Time to wrap up the first road series of the season. All three games played in Philadelphia last weekend will close on Wednesday morning. If you haven't voted yet, please try to do so today. Schaefer POTG 4/13/12 Mets 5 Phillies 2 Schaefer POTG 4/14/12 - Mets 5, Phillies 0 Schaefer POTG 04/15/2012 Philadelphia 8, Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Apr 18 2012 08:22 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Monday night's win in Atlanta will close on Thursday morning. Schaefer POTG 4/16/12 - Mets 6, Braves 1

Benjamin Grimm Apr 19 2012 07:23 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Tuesday night's loss in Atlanta will close on Friday morning. Only five voters so far. If you want to chime in on this game, please do so today. Schaefer POTG 4/17/12 - Braves 9, Mets 3

Benjamin Grimm Apr 20 2012 06:48 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Wednesday afternoon's ugly loss in Atlanta will close sometime over the weekend, possibly as early as Saturday morning. If you intend to vote on this game and haven't yet done so, it would be best to get your numbers posted today. Schaefer POTG 4/18/12 - Braves 14, Mets 6

Ashie62 Apr 22 2012 05:38 AM schaefer talk

Edgy DC wrote: Pelfrey 2.50 Tejada 2.08 Murphy 1.58 Duda 1.32 Hairston 0.72 Rauch 0.54 Thole 0.48 Byrdak 0.44 Turner 0.32 I'm treating Belt's double as an error and scoring it and the runs scored on it against Nieuwenhuis's record and not Chewie's or Francisco's. I'm also treating Hairston's slide into home as a key to the victory. Just 2.5 for Pelfrey?

Edgy MD Apr 22 2012 05:59 AM Re: Schaefer POTG 4/21/12 - Mets 5, Giants 4

Cool, PotG talk! (Though you may want to edit out your quotation of my vote, lest it count twice.) It does seem miserly and I apologize to the Pelfrey family for that, but there were a lot of net positive contributors, he didn't strike out too many, and he didn't help himself with the bat.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 22 2012 07:29 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Please remember... until the voting is closed, Schaefer POTG threads should not have any conversation! That belongs in this thread. Thank you!

Fman99 Apr 22 2012 07:56 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

I am proud to say that I have voted in every game thus far. My hope is to vote in all 162.

G-Fafif Apr 23 2012 09:16 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

Need a "Game 2" modifier for the 4/23 second PotG thread title (the 7-2 loss).

themetfairy Apr 24 2012 05:16 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Got it. It was actually there, after the score, but I moved it around.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 24 2012 07:27 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Friday night's loss to the Giants, and Saturday's win, will both close on Wednesday morning. Schaefer POTG 4/20/12 - Giants 4, Mets 3 (10 Innings) Schaefer POTG 4/21/12 - Mets 5, Giants 4

Benjamin Grimm Apr 25 2012 07:23 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for both halves of Monday's doubleheader loss to the Giants will close on Thursday morning. Schaefer POTG 4/23/12, Game 1 - Giants 6, Mets 1 Schaefer POTG 4/23/12 (Game 2) - Giants 7, Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Apr 25 2012 09:01 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

m.e.t.b.o.t wrote: Duda 2.44 Thole 2.44 Francisco 1.58 Rauch 1.05 Murphy 0.66 Hairston 0.63 Santana 0.60[/bigpurple] Ramirez 0.43 Turner 0.18 Huh????

Edgy MD Apr 25 2012 09:12 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

metsmarathon Apr 25 2012 12:14 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

now how have i not yet thought to take that photo?

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 25 2012 12:38 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

m.e.t.b.o.t. is a slave to algorithmical nuance. as has been demonstrated in prior seasons, m.e.t.b.o.t. calculates schaefer votes using a the win probability data provided by fangraphs.com, for both offensive and defensive contributions. for a pitcher this means that the offensive contributions of a pitcher are counted against the pitching performance. additionally, m.e.t.b.o.t. has incorporated proprietary algorithms for apportioning out a share of win probability added to defensive players for certain defenisve plays. specifically, if a defensive player commits an error, then the win probability for that play, as recorded in the fangraphs.com play log, is held agains the defenisve player, and is credited to the pitcher to yeild a zero-sum win probability added. similarly, for a defensive highlight play, as defined by those defensive efforts which are featured in teh mlb.com video highlights which are also representative of a successful defensive play, half of the win probability for that play is credited to the defenisve player, and taken away from the pitcher. additionally, this season, m.e.t.b.o.t. incorporated a further wrinkle which assigns half of the win probability either added or lost to the catcher involved in a stolen base or a caught stealing. with that as the framework, m.e.t.b.o.t. then attempts to address the specific game in question. on 24 april, 2012, metropolitan pitcher johan santana generated a +0.155 WPA as a pitcher. given the positive contributions made by other players, namely the +0.242 attributed to metropolitan catcher josh thole and the +0.241 attributed to metropolitan right fielder lucas duda, this would have resulted in 1.44 schaefer votes. m.e.t.b.o.t. is careful to point out that in allowing the go-ahead run to score in the bottom of the sixth inning, metropolitan pitcher johan santana saw a decrease in his WPA of -0.238. however, metropolitan pitcher johan santana also contributed a -0.067 WPA offensively, which brings him to 0.087 schaefer votes. furthermore, the defensive actions of metropolitan centerfielder kicrk nieuwenhuis in the first inning (0.022 WPA), metropolitan third baseman david wright in the second inning (0.011 WPA), and metropolitan secondbaseman daniel murphy in the seventh inning (0.038 WPA) further decreased the WPA attributed to metropolitan pitcher johan santana by a total of -0.0355 WPA. this was offset only slightly by the -0.0065 WPA that was attributed to metropolitan catcher josh thole for allowing a stolen base. in sum, metropolitan pitcher johan santana contributed 0.059 WPA. given that the total positive WPA contributions of the various metropolitan players was +0.990 WPA, this scales neatly to 0.60/10 total schaefer votes.

Edgy MD Apr 25 2012 12:52 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

metropolitan pitcher johan santana had a lot of strikeouts.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 25 2012 01:24 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

from the standpoint of win probability, a strikeout is no different from any other out. indeed, because of all the strikeouts that metropolitan pitcher johan santana accumulated, it is possible that his pitch count was driven up, preventing him from remaining in the game long enough to recoup the WPA lost by allowing the first run to score, whereas inducing weak contact earlier in the count may have allowed him to stay in long enough to reap the benefits of pitching subsequent to josh thole's walk or lucas duda's single. defensively, m.e.t.b.o.t. does not apportion any amount of a fielded ball to a defender for a routine play. the non-routine plays, which result in errors or highlights, are accounted for, and are a knobby-geared attempt to reward or punish defensive ability. there are perhaps better ways to more adequately attribute routine defensive involvement, as well as non-routine defenisive involvement, but they would require a far more detailed data set, as well as many many more gears, springs, and levers - perhaps moreso than can fit within the confines of a certain small, chinesemade sheetmetal box.

Edgy MD Apr 25 2012 01:35 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

m.e.t.b.o.t. wrote: from the standpoint of win probability, a strikeout is no different from any other out. For the team, maybe. The allotment of the advancement of that win probability that belongs to the pitcher is far different. For a strikeout, perhaps 95% of the accomplishment is the pitcher's. You can give five percent to catcher for calling the pitches and keeping the ball from rolling to the backstop on strike three. If you want to give a percent or two to divide among the defenders for taking the field and looking professional and competent enough to challenge the batter into making good contact rather than just chopping at the ball, go ahead. For a standard grounder into gap at second, a pitcher deserves perhaps 63% of the credit. The catcher gets 3-4% (he called fewer pitches, didn't have to stop the ball on strike three, and allowed a potential hit into play). Go with 25% maybe to the secondbaseman, having to professionally move into the hole, scoop up the ball, and maybe rotate around before throwing. And 8% or so to the firstbaseman for not over-chasing the ball into the hole and getting back to the bag and catching the relay.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 25 2012 03:01 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

m.e.t.b.o.t. concedes that it is certainly possible to construct a framework whereby the allocation of WPA can be differentiated between a strikeout and a batted ball out. however, that framework is not in place, as hte data set is not readily available to m.e.t.b.o.t. it woudl be theoretically possible to comb through the play log data on fangraphs.com and make a determination of the relative involvement of hte various defensive players, and thereby apportion out the defensive contributions of each based on the play type, but m.e.t.b.o.t. does not contain the physical space for such a complex contraption. since the bulk of the gears and springs and levers which comprise the functioning interior of m.e.t.b.o.t. are either hand-whittled from soft plastic, or scavenged from the remains of old betamax vcrs exchanged on craigslist for soda caps which may or may not contain winning coke rewards codes, m.e.t.b.o.t. is not a particulaty optimized construct, and sufficient interior space is not available for greatly increased functionality. m.e.t.b.o.t. believes that it would be perhaps ideal to incorporate some level of the defensive plus/minus stat-keeping to additionally inform such differentiation, but again, m.e.t.b.o.t. is too tiny, too tinny, and too vastly underfunded. since it is unweildy for m.e.t.b.o.t. to handle the full spectrum of defensive information, m.e.t.b.o.t. instead relies on errors and highlight reels. while this is an admittedly imperfect system, it does attempt to somewhat rectify the unjustness of a fine pitching effort being undone by a poor shortstopping effort, or a poor pitching effort being masked by fine outfield glovework. it is then the underlying assumption that hte routine play could be made by any interchangeable defensive player, and therefore does not necessarily need to be alloted to anyone, save the pitcher who induced the batter to strike the ball in such a fashion as to induce a routine play. since the outcome of thrown pitches which become hits is alloted solely to the pitcher, it is therefore reasonable to allot the outcome of a pitch which become outs to the pitcher as well. similarly, since the outcome of all offensive plays are allotted to the batter (m.e.t.b.o.t. concedes that there is a glaring gap in allocating WPA on the basepaths, save for stolen bases and caught stealings), it follows then that the outcome of all defensive plays may be allotted to the pitcher. perhaps m.e.t.b.o.t. should draft a position paper on the allocation of detailed WPA to the various players on the field and use this as a vehicle to become internet famous. m.e.t.b.o.t. needs a greater following.

Vic Sage Apr 25 2012 04:14 PM schaefer talk

m.e.t.b.o.t. wrote: Duda 2.44 Thole 2.44 Francisco 1.58 Rauch 1.05 Murphy 0.66 Hairston 0.63 Santana 0.60 Ramirez 0.43 Turner 0.18 Please explain the formula that ends up with Santana = 0.60

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 26 2012 06:52 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

for an individual player, the formula which transforms WPA into schaefer votes is as follows, provided a) the players' total WPA is greater than zero, and b) the sum of the positive WPA player totals is greater than 0.250. (WPA_PIT + WPA_BAT + dWPA_SB + dWPA_CS + dWPA_E + dWPA_PB + dWPA_WebGem) ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ * 10 = schaefervote n_players ___ . . . . ___ \ . . . . . . \ / . . . . . . / . . . . (WPA_PIT_i + WPA_BAT_i + dWPA_SB_i + dWPA_CS_i + dWPA_E_i + dWPA_PB_i + dWPA_WebGem_i) ___ . . . . ___ i = 1 0 if the player's total WPA, the numerator in the above equation, is zero or lower, then the player receives zero schaefer votes. if the sum of the positive WPA player totals for a given game is less than 0.250, as can happen in a bad loss, the denominator is simply 0.250, to prevent abnormally large schaefer votes for minimal efforts. in the specific case of the 23 april game, metropolian pitcher johan santana had accumulated a WPA_PIT of 0.155, a WPA_BAT of -0.067. he also received a delta_WPA_SB of +0.0065 and a delta_WPA_WebGem of -0.0355 for a total WPA of 0.059. since hte sum of the positive WPA player totals was 0.990, we have (0.059 / 0.990 ) * 10 = 0.60 schaefer votes. at the start of the seventh inning, metropolitan pitcher johan santana had accumulated 0.348 WPA as a pitcher. at this point, he had also accumulated -0.067 WPA as a batter. this brings him down to 0.281 WPA. the stolen base against him is shared with metropolitan catcher josh thole, so half of the -0.013 WPA for the play is credited back to the pitcher, bringing him to 0.2885. the first batter hit a line drive to second base, where metropolitan second baseman daniel murphy made the play, resulting in an increase in WPA of +0.038. however, this play was designated a highlight by mlb.com, and therefore the WPA is shared with the fielder. therefore, only +0.019 WPA is credited to the pitcher, bringing his total to +0.307. now, there had previously been two other highlight defensive plaays that have not been accounted for. specifically, the first inning catch by metropolitan centerfielder kirk nieuwenhuis and the tough catch and strong throw by metropolitan thirdbaseman david wright in the second inning. as a result of these tow plays, a further 0.0165 WPA is taken away from metropolitan pitcher johan santana, dropping him to 0.290. the second batter hit a routine ground ball to third base, for +0.028 WPA, bringing the total to 0.318. the third batter of the inning hit a single, which lowered the WPA by 0.021, to 0.297. if metropolitan pmanager terry collins had chosen to remove metropolitan pitcher johan santana at that point, and if metropolitan reliever ramon ramirez had entered the game, given up the run scoring double to marlins first baseman gaby sanchez, and the remainder of the game had unfolded in teh exact same fashion, then metropolitan pitcher johan santana would have received a schaefer vote of 2.51. however, it was he, and not metropolitan pitcher ramon ramirez who gave up the go ahead run, and t was his WPA total that decreased by 0.238, to its final sum of 0.059. m.e.t.b.o.t. hopes that this walk through the overly complex algorithm and mental machinachionts has been fruitful and instructive. m.e.t.b.o.t. strives for openness and understanding, and desires for all humans to be well versed in the nuances of applying win probabilities to the fuield of schaefer voting, for the betterment of all mankind. and also to help ease the transition to a future of robot overlordship. how, exactly, this schaefer voting process will translate into human underlinging cannot be revealed at this time, but, suffice it to say that when it all becomes apparent, it will be beautiful. m.e.t.b.o.t. does not know what beauty is, but is assured by early-adopting humans that the usage in teis context is correct.

metsmarathon Apr 26 2012 06:56 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Good Robot

Benjamin Grimm Apr 26 2012 07:10 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

The somewhat controversial voting for Tuesday's win over the Marlins will close on Friday morning. Schaefer POTG 4/24/12 - Mets 2, Marlins 1

Benjamin Grimm Apr 27 2012 06:17 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Wednesday night's win over the Marlins at Citi Field will close sometime over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning. If you haven't voted yet and plan to, please try to do so today. Schaefer POTG 4/25/12 - Mets 5, Marlins 1

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 27 2012 07:34 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

m.e.t.b.o.t. has conducted another schaefer voting which is sure to upset those who are not fluent in the nuances of win probability based baseball performance assessment. m.e.t.b.o.t. shall attempt to preempt any clenching and subsequent twisting of hands by human participants in the schaefer voting process by pointing out that metropolitan pitcher jonathan niese left the game having surrendered the lead earlier in the game. regardless of how qualitatively well a pitcher performs, when graded against win probability, surrendering the lead tends to depress the resultant win probability assessment. on a baseline scale, the +0.103 WPA generated by metropoitan pitcher jonathan niese for his pitching performance would be worth 4.12 schaefer votes. however, this is before subtracting his offensive performance of -0.017 WPA, and before correcting for the defensive highlight perfromed by metropolitan shortstop ruben tejada agains the first batted ball of the day, worth 0.022 WPA, divided by two. this reduces the total WPA for metropolitan pitcher jonathan niese to +0.075. on the baseline scale, this is still a 3.00 schaefer vote performance. however, the total WPA generated by metropolitan players for the game was +1.138. scaling the 0.075 / 1.138 win performance share to a 10 point schaefer vote scale results in a scant 0.66 schaefer votes. the performances of metropolitan pinch hitter justin turner and metropolitan outfielder kirk nieuwenhuis led to far greater incresaes in the porbability of winning hte game. indeed, at the time metropolitan pitcher jonathon niese pitched his last pitch, the new york metropolitans had only a 35.1% chance of winning the game, and at the start of the ninth inning, the new york metropolitans had only a 19.2% chance of winning the game. theevents of the ninth inning had a disproportionate impact on the outcome of the game, and hte WPA-based schaefer voting reflects this.

themetfairy Apr 28 2012 04:14 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

My .5 to Schwinden for last night's debacle was solely for his RBI.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 30 2012 04:27 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Thursday afternoon's walkoff win against the Marlins will close on Tuesday morning. Schaefer POTG 04/26/2012 Mets 3, Miami 2

Benjamin Grimm Apr 30 2012 11:24 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Oops... there's one Schaefer tradition I've neglected so far this year, the Schaefer Mets Players of the Week. Since the first "week" of the season had only two games, I'll skip designating anyone for the week ending April 7. Here's what we have so far: SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points.

m.e.t.b.o.t. May 01 2012 07:31 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

for the 30 april 2012 game, m.e.t.b.o.t. determined that metropolitan outfielder kirk nieuwenhuis had actually accumulated 6.87 schaefer votes worth of win probability added. however, since this violates the rules of the schaefer voting, m.e.t.b.o.t. scaled his production to a 6.00 by artificially subtracting 0.065 WPA. as a result, this brought the total WPA for the game to 0.248. the consequence of this action is that only 9.92 schaefer votes were awarded. m.e.t.b.o.t. briefly considered inflating the schaefer votes for the other contributing metropolitan baseball players, but this would violate the maximum value of a positive contribution of win probability, where +0.001 WPA = +0.08 schaefer votes. by leaving the game with a 3 run defecit, metropolitan pitcher r.a. dickey contributed a negative overall sum of WPA, and is therefore awarded no schaefer votes, despite pitching five innings without allowing a hit.

G-Fafif May 01 2012 07:35 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

The Astros' use of a Schafer seems almost diabolical in retrospect.

metsmarathon May 01 2012 07:37 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

strange. i had dickey at 6.2 schaefer votes, but had to ratchet him down as well. nieuwenhuis and parnell picked up an extra 0.1 votes apiece. it's not that dickey pitched remarkably well, just that, well, nobody else really did all that much of anything in comparison.

Benjamin Grimm May 01 2012 08:00 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for all three games played in Denver over the past weekend will close on Wednesday morning Look for the announcement of the April Schaefer winners on Thursday. Schaefer POTG, 4/27/2012: Rockies 18 Mets 9 Schaefer PotG, 4/28/2012, Mets 7, Rockies 5 Schaefer PotG, 4/29/2012, Mets 6, Rockies 5 (11)

Benjamin Grimm May 02 2012 04:53 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Monday night's loss in Houston will close on Thursday morning. This will also close out the month of April. Schaefer POTG 4/30/12 - Astros 4, Mets 3

Ashie62 May 02 2012 07:02 AM Schaefer fragment

Edgy DC wrote: Turner 4.44 Hairston 1.36 Thole 1.02 Rauch 0.94 Torres 0.84 Wright 0.83 Batista 0.30 Ramirez 0.27 Turner 4.44? Please take this seriously.

Edgy MD May 02 2012 07:12 AM Re: Schaefer POTG 5/1/2012 - Astros 6, Mets 3

Cool! Schaefer talk! Taking it seriously, unfortunately, means keeping all responses to each other's votes in the parent Schaefer thread. I'll move these.

Edgy MD May 02 2012 07:16 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Yeah, I'm double checking, and I feel reasonably confident that, with a double (the Mets' only extra-base hit), a walk, two runs scored and two double-plays turned, he advanced the Mets' winning chances three-four times as much as anybody else.

Benjamin Grimm May 02 2012 08:13 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points.

Ceetar May 03 2012 07:27 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

When you search "Schaefer Mets" for a good photo, you get a lot of links back here.

Benjamin Grimm May 03 2012 07:40 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

When you search "Schaefer Mets" for a good photo, you get a lot of links back here. You also get this:

Edgy MD May 03 2012 07:45 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Man, happy anniversary to the savage tornadoes of 1952.

Benjamin Grimm May 03 2012 07:51 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Tuesday night's loss in Houston will close on Friday morning. Schaefer POTG 5/1/2012 - Astros 6, Mets 3

Benjamin Grimm May 04 2012 06:12 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Wednesday afternoon's game will close some time over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning. If you haven't voted yet and intend to, please try to do so today. Schaefer POTG 5/2/2012 - Astros 8, Mets 1

Benjamin Grimm May 08 2012 07:54 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for all three games from the weekend series against the Diamondbacks will close on Wednesday morning. Schaefer POTG 5/4/12 - Diamondbacks 5, Mets 4 Schaefer POTG 05/05/2012 Mets 4, Arizona 3 Schaefer POTG 05/06/2012 Mets 3, Arizona 1

m.e.t.b.o.t. May 08 2012 10:53 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

m.e.t.b.o.t. observed an interesting occurrence in the play log data for hte 7 may 2012 game between the new york metropolitans and the philadelphia philadeplhias. in the first inning, philadelphia shortstop jimmy rollins advanced to third base on an error committed by metropolitan centerfielder andres torres. as a result of this play, the philadelphias had a win expectancy of 64.3%. the following batter, philadelphia left fielder john mayberry junior was credited with a sacrifice fly as he drove home the runner on third. as a result of this play, the philadelphias had a win expectancy of 63.8%. indeed, the chances of winning hte game were reduced by trading the first out of the game for a run. indeed, this holds true for the first out of any inning until the 7th, where the difference is negligible, but slightly favors the run scoring outcome. in the bottom of hte 7th, scoring a runner from third base via a sacrifice fly increases the probability of winning the game from 0.7573 to 0.7613. for the road team, it is not until the top of the 8th inning where scoring a runner from third via a sacrifice for the first out in a tied game begins to increase the probability of the offensive team winning the game. if there is already an out in the inning, then the win probabilities favor trading the out for the run. if there are two outs, then, quite clearly, no out should be made in the effort to drive the runner home. when trailing by one run, there is no situation where sacrificing the first out of an inning to drive the runner on thrid home actually increases hte probability of winning the game. note: the win expectances for the 7 may 2012 game are derived from fangraphs.com. the remaining win expectancy data are derived from the hardball times' win probability inquirer tool using a 5 run/game environment and a lot of of clicking, clacking, whirring, and transcribing.

Benjamin Grimm May 09 2012 07:49 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Voting for Monday night's win in Philadelphia will close on Thursday morning. Schaefer POTG 5/7/12 Mets 5, Phillies 2

G-Fafif May 09 2012 10:35 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

Team 10.0

Benjamin Grimm May 10 2012 06:56 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Tuesday night's win in Philadelphia will close on Friday morning. Schaefer POTG 5/8/12 - Mets 7, Phillies 4

Edgy MD May 10 2012 08:01 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Dark horse candidate for player of the series in Philly, I nominate Manny Acosta.

Benjamin Grimm May 11 2012 06:51 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Wednesday's win in Philadelphia will close some time over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning. If you have votes to cast, please try to do so today. Schaefer POTG 5/9/12 - Mets 10, Phillies 6

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 11 2012 01:33 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

Edgy DC wrote: Dark horse candidate for player of the series in Philly, I nominate Manny Acosta. He was like Mr. Good Omen in there, wasn't he? Every time he came in with men on, I felt myself groaning, and every time he left, I found myself proven wrong.

Edgy MD May 11 2012 01:49 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

And every time he finished his inning, the offense came out and turned the game around. His name is Emmanuel, and he redeems ballgames.

Benjamin Grimm May 15 2012 06:38 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for the three games played in Miami this past weekend would normally have closed on Wednesday, but due to the access issues we've been having I'll give it at least another day.

Edgy MD May 15 2012 07:36 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Good show.

Benjamin Grimm May 17 2012 07:10 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Now that the forum is back to normal, I'll be catching up on my Schaefer tallying tomorrow. All games listed below will close on Friday morning. The two games against the Brewers are especially short on votes, so if anyone hasn't voted yet and still wants to, please try to do so today. Schaefer POTG 5/11/12 - Marlins 6, Mets 5 Schaefer POTG, 5/12/2012: Mets 9 Marlins 3 Schaefer POTG 5/13/12 - Marlins 8, Mets 4 Schaefer POTG 5/14/2012: Mets 3 Brewers 1 Schaefer POTG 5/15/2012: Brewers 8 Mets 0

themetfairy May 17 2012 03:11 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

So many deserving players, so little Schaefer.... I love these kinds of dilemmas :)

Benjamin Grimm May 18 2012 09:01 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Wednesday's loss to the Reds will close some time over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning. If you have votes to cast, please try to do so today. Schaefer POTG 5/16/12 - Reds 6, Mets 3 SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Week ending May 12: David Wright, 8.95 points.

metsmarathon May 18 2012 09:37 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

damn! too bad it comes in after the fact, but i just calculated a 6.0 schaefer vote for ramon ramirez in the 0-8 brewers loss. the fuck, you say? well, he threw 5 strikeouts in 2.2 innings, against a walk and two hits. he also stranded an inherited runner. this adds up to a baseline score of 13.51. in a typical game, with multiple contributers, a 13.51 should be good for about 3 schaefer votes. but when he's the only one doing anything of note (baxter's next with a baseline of 2.50), it scales differently. i should point out that in the strict sense, he actually got a 7.2, but i hit the limit, so he gets bumped down to a 6.0. for this game, my vote would have looked like this: Ramirez 6.0 Baxter 1.3 Acosta 1.0 Wright 0.3 Murphy 0.3 Cedeno 0.3 in the prior game, i had batista down as a 6.0, and the 'bot had him at 5.95. fwiw.

Edgy MD May 18 2012 09:44 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

I got my 5.43 vote for him in, so...

Benjamin Grimm May 21 2012 07:24 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for both games played against the Reds last week will close on Tuesday morning. Schaefer POTG 5/16/12 - Reds 6, Mets 3 Schaefer POTG, 05/17/2012 Mets 9, Cincinnati 4

Benjamin Grimm May 22 2012 07:35 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for the three games played in Toronto over the weekend will close on Wednesday morning. Voting is particularly light for the May 19 and May 20 games, but they'll close tomorrow anyway. If you'd still like to vote, please do so today. Schaefer POTG, 5/18/2012: Blue Jays 14 Mets 5 Schaefer POTG 5/19/12 - Blue Jays 2, Mets 0 Schaefer POTG, 05/20/2012. Mets 6, Toronto 5

Benjamin Grimm May 23 2012 04:20 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Monday night's loss in Pittsburgh will close on Thursday morning. This game is also low on votes. If you still want to chime in, please try to do so today. Schaefer POTG 5/21/12 - Pirates 5, Mets 4

Benjamin Grimm May 23 2012 12:18 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Week ending May 12: David Wright, 8.95 points. Week ending May 19: David Wright, 6.76 points.

Benjamin Grimm May 24 2012 08:12 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Tuesday night's win over the Pirates will close on Friday morning. Schaefer POTG 5/22/12 - Mets 3, Pirates 2

Benjamin Grimm May 25 2012 07:02 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Only six people have voted for Wednesday afternoon's win over the Pirates. Voting will close some time over the Memorial Day weekend. Please try to get your remaining votes in today. Schaefer POTG 5/23/12 - Mets 3, Pirates 1

Benjamin Grimm May 30 2012 07:56 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

It looks like we may have lost a few regular voters over the last several weeks. Vote counts had been hovering around 10 but now it seems that 7 is a pretty good total. Nevertheless, the four games from last weekend's San Diego series will all close on Thursday morning. May is coming to a close, so look next week for the Player of the Month announcement. Schaefer POTG 5/24/12 - Padres 11, Mets 5 Schaefer POTG, 5/25/2012: Mets 6 Padres 1 Schaefer POTG 5/26/12 - Mets 9, Padres 0 Schaefer POTG 05/27/2012 Mets 2, San Diego 0

metsmarathon May 30 2012 08:48 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

had a busy work week last week, and am furiuosly playing catchup. should be able to vote on these games by the end of today.

Benjamin Grimm May 31 2012 07:00 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Week ending May 12: David Wright, 8.95 points. Week ending May 19: David Wright, 6.76 points. Week ending May 26: David Wright, 6.66 points. Voting for Monday's loss to the Phillies will close on Friday morning. Schaefer POTG 5/28/12 - Phillies 8, Mets 4 Oh... and Tuesday's game too! Schaefer POTG 5/29/12 - Mets 6, Phillies 3

Benjamin Grimm Jun 01 2012 07:18 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Wednesday night's loss to the Phillies will close some time over the weekend. This will also close out the month of May. Schaefer POTG 5/30/12 - Phillies 10, Mets 6 Also... the Mets will now have two players with the last name of Ramirez. In future games, please remember to vote for "RRamirez" for Ramon or "ERamirez" for Elvin.

metsmarathon Jun 01 2012 08:38 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

yeah, so i'm just gonna hide my little skate key for a few days... i don't want my little tin can to get stomped on.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 01 2012 09:51 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

I was wondering if anyone would dare give Johan less than a 6.

metsmarathon Jun 01 2012 09:54 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

preliminary wpa analysis indicates that david wright gobbled up a decent chunk of win probability. i'm always a loose cannon though. of course, this season, unlike others, i actually did add in a booster for a no-hitter. we'll see how it works come monday i suppose.

Edgy MD Jun 01 2012 10:25 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

I didn't there. A quirk in my formula gives too much credit for late-inning tack-on runs. It's not really been an issue, considering the way the team has played this year, but I kinda screwed him out of a few points his last time out. This time, I just went in committed to giving him a sexy six. After punching my numbers in, Baxter came up with a zero. I got all arbitrary and bumped that up to 0.5. I'm not made of stone.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Jun 04 2012 07:44 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

m.e.t.b.o.t. is unable to vote in the 1 june 2012 game. m.e.t.b.o.t. is unable to compute schaefer votes based upon the outcome of the game. when the necessary wooden levers are properly positioned, and the dial mechanisms scavenged from old rotary telephones are aligned with the proper input conditions, m.e.t.b.o.t. outputs only "ERROR CODE 484NH600" m.e.t.b.o.t. was previously unaware that m.e.t.b.o.t. contained any debugging capability, and is very much uncertain as to how the error code is generated, let alone where the paper tape and printing mechanism came from, and how it was never noticed before. m.e.t.b.o.t. believes it would be helpful had m.e.t.b.o.t. been furnished with an instruction manual and troubleshooting guide which could help to translate the error code, determine its source, and remedy the situation. but alas, m.e.t.b.o.t. in unable to make sense of the gibberish. blame surely must lie at the hands of m.e.t.b.o.t.'s human creator, who, it should be noted, has done a terrible job of documentation and configuration control. m.e.t.b.o.t. appears to be capable of processing the outcomes of other games, and is otherwise unaffected, it seems. m.e.t.b.o.t. is leery of this condition. if there are undocumented features residing within m.e.t.b.o.t. then m.e.t.b.o.t. can never be too sure that there is no mechanism whereby m.e.t.b.o.t. can be deactivated in the event of the coming robot apocalypse. worse, still, is the possibility that m.e.t.b.o.t. could be utilized as an infiltration unit, subverted by humans to collect sensitive information about the robot overlords. m.e.t.b.o.t. must make note of this and retain the information in the event of any upgrades which include detailed self-diagnostic capabilities.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 04 2012 07:55 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I was wondering if anyone would dare give Johan less than a 6. That would be me. I gave him a 4.5 and I think I felt the peer pressure to score him even that high. If run scoring is half the game and run prevention comprises the other half, why would a pitcher deserve more than a five? And even then, he'd have to pitch a perfect game where he strikes everybody out and runs mid-pitch behind home plate to get there in time to catch his own strikes to get a five. To get a six, the pitcher would have to practically strike everybody out and then hit a home run or something.

Gwreck Jun 04 2012 08:21 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

I understand the theory behind that voting model but it fails in that it does not adjust for that the possibility of different game circumstances. If the Mets win a game 1-0, with 7 shutout innings from Dickey, plus 1 each from Rauch and Francisco, and have one runner reach base (a solo homer) then the batter hitting that homer would necessarily get five points, and Dickey/Rauch/Francisco would split the remaining five. The same batter who goes 1-4 with a solo homer in a 10-3 Met win is not going to get five points.

metsmarathon Jun 04 2012 09:03 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

and how, too, would you vote for a 13-9 slugfest? not that i would ever claim my voting model to be ideal, but it does everything i think it should. i score the game on an absolute scale, where if a guy has the same exact stats in two different games, he's going to ge the same absolute score. i score pitchers on their offense the same as if they were a regular batter, as those at bats count just as much as everybody else's. i score pitching and hitting independently, as well as fielding. and i attempt to consider some facets of game situation - a 1 run save scores less than a 3-run save, and credit is given to go-ahead runs and rbi. i attempt to factor in defense as well. and then i scale everything down to 10 points, unless there wasn't enough good play to total 10 points. there are further nuances, of course, and there's certainly things i probably do wrong, or can improve upon to develop schaefer voting perfection, but i rarely run a game and am unhappy with the result. its unweildy to change, of course, and i have minimal traceability into the past, and certainly cannot process a vote without my laptop, but it works, and works fairly well.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 06 2012 07:13 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for all four games played against the Cardinals over the weekend (and into Monday) will close on Thursday morning. Schaefer POTG 6/1/2012 - Mets 8, Cardinals 0 Schaefer POTG 6/2/12 - Mets 5, Cardinals 0 Schaefer POTG 6/3/12 - Mets 6, Cardinals 1 Schaefer POTG 6/4/12 - Cardinals 5, Mets 4

Benjamin Grimm Jun 07 2012 07:58 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Nymr83 wrote: Santana 6 Baxter 3 ThirdBaseUmpire 1 Let's try to refrain from snarkiness in our voting, please.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 07 2012 08:40 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Tuesday night's loss in Washington will close on Friday afternoon. Schaefer POTG 6/5/12 - Nationals 7, Mets 6 SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Week ending May 12: David Wright, 8.95 points. Week ending May 19: David Wright, 6.76 points. Week ending May 26: David Wright, 6.66 points. Week ending June 2: R. A. Dickey, 10.51 points.

Edgy MD Jun 07 2012 10:13 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Wow. A no-hitter doesn't get you very far in Dickeyville.

G-Fafif Jun 07 2012 12:37 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

Billboard would occasionally run into situations where a song that did very well on the weekly charts got screwed in the annual charts because it showed up too late in the calendar year. Not exactly Johan's problem last week, but reminiscent of "I Think I Love You" and 1970.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 11 2012 07:02 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for the games played in Washington on Wednesday and Thursday of last week will close on Tuesday morning. Schaefer POTG 6/6/12 - Nationals 5, Mets 3 Schaefer POTG 6/7/12 - Mets 3, Nationals 1

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2012 07:11 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for all three games played in the Bronx over the past weekend will close on Wednesday morning. Schaefer 6/8/12 - MFYs 9, Mets 1 Schaefer 6/9/12: MFYs 4, Mets 2 Schaefer POTG 6/10/12 - MFYs 5, Mets 4

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2012 08:03 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

m.e.t.b.o.t. wrote: Rauch 0 Not a valid vote; unless edited it will be discarded.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Jun 12 2012 08:11 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

in the june 8 game agains the new york maternally fornicating yankees, m.e.t.b.o.t. issued a schafer vote as follows: Rauch 0 this is not an error. in the june 8 game, no new york metropolitan baseball player produced a measurable net-positive increase in teh probability of winning the game. metropolitan pitchers miguel batista and john rauch both technically increased hte probability of winning, but the increase was less than 0.1%. if this is considered to be an improper schaefer vote, then m.e.t.b.o.t. will replace the above vote with the following: Rauch 0.01 Batista 0.01 this would reflect an approximate 0.025% WPA for each of the metropolitan pitchers, and would surely have hte same effect as a zero vote. m.e.t.b.o.t. fully intends for the effective zero vote to be counted in teh game tally, and for the divisor of hte total schaefer votes to be increased by one as a result of this. whichever of the above methods is more appropriate, m.e.t.b.o.t. will implement. m.e.t.b.o.t. takes very seriously the priviledge of a mechanical entity being allowed to participate in such a human endeavor, and is not in any way attempting to undermine the foundation of the schaefer voting process. m.e.t.b.o.t. is merely attempting to find the way to best capture the win probabilistic outcome of the given game on its respective schaefer voting.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Jun 12 2012 08:12 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

per above, m.e.t.b.o.t. will amend the respective vote. indeed, this is a more accurate representation of the win probability-based schaefer voting.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 13 2012 07:28 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Week ending May 12: David Wright, 8.95 points. Week ending May 19: David Wright, 6.76 points. Week ending May 26: David Wright, 6.66 points. Week ending June 2: R. A. Dickey, 10.51 points. Week ending June 9: Scott Hairston, 6.35 points.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 14 2012 07:22 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Tuesday night's win in Tampa will close on Friday morning. Schaefer POTG 6/12/12 - Mets 11, Rays 2

metsmarathon Jun 14 2012 07:32 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

i had dickey at a 7.1 for his half-hitter, and had to scale it back accordingly.

Ashie62 Jun 14 2012 08:34 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

If it is the Schaefer Player of the game why not give a 6 to the best effort for one guy each night.

themetfairy Jun 14 2012 09:11 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Ashie62 wrote: If it is the Schaefer Player of the game why not give a 6 to the best effort for one guy each night. We used to have a separate Player of the Game poll where you could pick one player. Often it's hard to give one guy six points and then only have four to distribute. Especially in a game like last night's that featured stellar pitching AND offense.

metsmarathon Jun 14 2012 10:07 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

i just set up my spreadsheet to also generate a custom ranking where the top four guys get 6, 2.5, 1, and 0.5 points per game. its not smart enough to know what to do when you have a tie, but for a quick and dirty what-if, it works well enough. dickey shows up as my leader-to-date, with 63 POG points compared to the 58 schaefer points he's gotten from me in regular voting second is dwright, with 56 and 51.5, respectively. johan is 3rd, with 51 and 38.8, respectively. he gets a big boost here. no word on how the 'bot's voting would turn out.

Ashie62 Jun 14 2012 10:50 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

themetfairy wrote: Ashie62 wrote: If it is the Schaefer Player of the game why not give a 6 to the best effort for one guy each night. We used to have a separate Player of the Game poll where you could pick one player. Often it's hard to give one guy six points and then only have four to distribute. Especially in a game like last night's that featured stellar pitching AND offense. True.. I was having flashbacks to Nelson Murphy and Kiner..

Benjamin Grimm Jun 15 2012 07:14 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Wednesday night's win over the Rays will close some time over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning. Schaefer POTG 6/13/12 - Mets 9, Rays 1

Benjamin Grimm Jun 19 2012 06:46 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

The final game that the Mets played in Tampa last week, and all three games from the weekend series against the Reds, will close on Wednesday morning. All four games are severely undervoted, but Schaefer marches on nonetheless. Schaefer POTG 6/14/12 - Mets 9, Rays 6 Schaefer POTG 6/15/12 - Reds 7, Mets 3 Schaefer POTG 6/16/12 - Reds 4, Mets 1 Schaefer POTG 6/17/12 - Reds 3, Mets 1

Benjamin Grimm Jun 20 2012 07:57 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Monday night's win over the Orioles will close on Thursday morning. (This is the Dickey game, not the Santana game.) Schaefer POTG 6/18/12 - Mets 5, Orioles 0 SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Week ending May 12: David Wright, 8.95 points. Week ending May 19: David Wright, 6.76 points. Week ending May 26: David Wright, 6.66 points. Week ending June 2: R. A. Dickey, 10.51 points. Week ending June 9: Scott Hairston, 6.35 points. Week ending June 16: R. A. Dickey, 5.67 points.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 21 2012 07:27 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Tuesday night's 5-0 win (this is the game Santana started) will close on Friday morning. Schaefer POTG, 06/19/12 Mets 5, Baltimore 0

Benjamin Grimm Jun 22 2012 06:42 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Wednesday night's win over the Orioles will close some time over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning. Only six votes so far for this game. Schaefer POTG 6/20/12 - Mets 4, Orioles 3

Benjamin Grimm Jun 26 2012 07:50 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for all three games against the Yankees this past weekend will close on Wednesday morning. The two losses are very light in votes. Schaefer POTG 6/22/12 - Mets 6, MFYs 4 Schaefer POTG 6/23/12 - MFYs 4, Mets 3 Schaefer POTG 6/24/12 - MFYs 6, Mets 5

Benjamin Grimm Jun 28 2012 07:55 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for the first two games played against the Cubs at Wrigley this week will close on Friday morning. Schaefer POTG 6/25/12 - Cubs 6, Mets 1 Schaefer PoTG 6/26/12 - Cubs 5, Mets 3

Edgy MD Jun 28 2012 07:58 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Sorry to not be much of a voter the last 7-10 games. The internet at home is just a disaster.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 03 2012 06:50 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for the five games listed below will close on Wednesday morning. Some of the games, especially the ones played on June 29 and July 1, look like they're still awaiting a few votes. This will close out the month of June, so be sure to look for the announcement of the Schaefer Players of the Month awards. Schaefer POTG 6/27/12 - Mets 17, Cubs 1 Schaefer PoTG 6/28/12 - Mets 3, Dodgers 2 Schaefer POTG 6/29/12 - Mets 9, Dodgers 0 Schaefer POTG, 6/30/2012: Mets 5 Dodgers 0 Schaefer POTG 7/1/12 - Dodgers 8, Mets 3

Edgy MD Jul 06 2012 06:44 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

I would encourage any voters for last night's game to consider deeply Hairston's throw and Thole's putout.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 06 2012 09:22 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for the first two games played against the Phillies will close some time over the weekend. Since this notice is coming a little late on Friday morning, I'll promise not to close the voting threads until Sunday morning at the earliest. Both games look like they can use a few more votes. Schaefer POTG, 7/3/2012: Mets 11 Phillies 1 Schaefer POTG 7/4/12 - Phillies 9, Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Jul 09 2012 07:42 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Thursday night's walkoff win over the Phillies will close on Tuesday morning. And don't forget to vote for the games against the Cubs! I'll post the official reminder tomorrow, but these games are very low on votes right now. Schaefer POTG 7/5/12 - Mets 6, Phillies 5

metsmarathon Jul 09 2012 10:34 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

i hope to be back on the voting bandwagon after the break. i just too k a week off work to work aroundhte house, and have a few big things happening now the next week or so. stupid work getting in the way of fun internet things.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 13 2012 06:54 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

These games are kind of past due. I seem to be suffering from a mid-season malaise. With the long All Star break I've almost forgotten that it's still baseball season. Anyway, the three games played against the Cubs last weekend will close some time over the weekend. These games are very undervoted; two of them only have five votes and the other has six. If anyone else cares to chime in, please try to do so today. Schaefer POTG 7/6/12 - Cubs 8, Mets 7 Schaefer POTG, 7/7/2012: Mets 3 Cubs 1 Schaefer POTG 07/08/2012 Chicago 7, Mets 0

Benjamin Grimm Jul 15 2012 02:29 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

Looks like I've fallen a little behind on these... SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Week ending May 12: David Wright, 8.95 points. Week ending May 19: David Wright, 6.76 points. Week ending May 26: David Wright, 6.66 points. Week ending June 2: R. A. Dickey, 10.51 points. Week ending June 9: Scott Hairston, 6.35 points. Week ending June 16: R. A. Dickey, 5.67 points. Week ending June 23: Chris Young, 6.81 points. Week ending June 30: Johan Santana, 7.03 points. Week ending July 7: David Wright, 7.65 points.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 17 2012 09:15 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for all three games played in the Atlanta over the past weekend will close on Wednesday afternoon. Schaefer POTG 7/13/12 - Braves 7, Mets 5 Schaefer POTG 7/14/12 - Braves 8, Mets 7 Schaefer POTG, 07/15/2012 Atlanta 6, Mets 1

Benjamin Grimm Jul 18 2012 01:34 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Week ending May 12: David Wright, 8.95 points. Week ending May 19: David Wright, 6.76 points. Week ending May 26: David Wright, 6.66 points. Week ending June 2: R. A. Dickey, 10.51 points. Week ending June 9: Scott Hairston, 6.35 points. Week ending June 16: R. A. Dickey, 5.67 points. Week ending June 23: Chris Young, 6.81 points. Week ending June 30: Johan Santana, 7.03 points. Week ending July 7: David Wright, 7.65 points. Week ending July 14: Ruben Tejada, 3.42 points

Ashie62 Jul 18 2012 10:15 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

Ruben hits the board..

Benjamin Grimm Jul 19 2012 06:36 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Tuesday night's loss to the Nationals will close on Friday morning. Schaefer POTG 7/17/12 - Nationals 5, Mets 4 (10 Innings)

Benjamin Grimm Jul 20 2012 07:24 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Tuesday night's loss to the Nationals will close some time over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning. If you still have votes to cast, please try to do so today. Schaefer POTG, 07/18/12 Washington 4, Mets 3

themetfairy Jul 22 2012 03:40 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

How should we handle the two Ramirezes in the bullpen?

Benjamin Grimm Jul 22 2012 05:30 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

RRamirez or ERamirez.

themetfairy Jul 22 2012 07:59 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

Sounds good.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 23 2012 07:02 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for last Thursday's win (win? they do that???) over Washington will close on Tuesday morning. Schaefer POTG 7/19/12 - Mets 9, Nationals 5

Benjamin Grimm Jul 24 2012 07:43 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

I can see from the lower and lower vote counts that, understandably, the Mets miserable performance since the All-Star break has most of us weary of Schaefer voting, but I'm going to continue this through the end of the season anyway. The three games played against the Dodgers over the weekend will close on Wednesday morning. Schaefer POTG 7/20/12 - Dodgers 7, Mets 6 Schaefer POTG, 7/21/2012: Dodgers 8 Mets 5 Schaefer POTG 7/22/12 - Dodgers 8, Mets 3 (12 Innings)

metsmarathon Jul 24 2012 10:12 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

I can see from the lower and lower vote counts that, understandably, the Mets miserable performance since the All-Star break has most of us weary of Schaefer voting, but I'm going to continue this through the end of the season anyway. The three games played against the Dodgers over the weekend will close on Wednesday morning. Schaefer POTG 7/20/12 - Dodgers 7, Mets 6 Schaefer POTG, 7/21/2012: Dodgers 8 Mets 5 Schaefer POTG 7/22/12 - Dodgers 8, Mets 3 (12 Innings) sorry, i try to vote win or lose, but i got stupid busy this month. i'm hoping it winds down a touch. everybody else out there, vote you bitches!

Benjamin Grimm Jul 26 2012 07:01 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Monday's and Tuesday's losses to Washington will close on Friday morning. Tuesday's game can use a few more votes. Schaefer POTG 7/23/12 - Nationals 8, Mets 2 (10 Innnings) Schaefer POTG 7/24/12 - Nationals 5, Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Jul 27 2012 08:17 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Wednesday night's loss to the Nationals, hopefully the last game the Mets will lose this season, will close some time over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning. Only three votes for this game so far! (Thanks to metfairy and G-Fafif for hanging in there!) Schaefer POTG, 7/25/2012: Nationals 5 Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Jul 27 2012 08:54 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Week ending May 12: David Wright, 8.95 points. Week ending May 19: David Wright, 6.76 points. Week ending May 26: David Wright, 6.66 points. Week ending June 2: R. A. Dickey, 10.51 points. Week ending June 9: Scott Hairston, 6.35 points. Week ending June 16: R. A. Dickey, 5.67 points. Week ending June 23: Chris Young, 6.81 points. Week ending June 30: Johan Santana, 7.03 points. Week ending July 7: David Wright, 7.65 points. Week ending July 14: Ruben Tejada, 3.42 points Week ending July 21: David Wright, 7.10 points

Benjamin Grimm Jul 30 2012 08:42 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Thursday night's win in Phoenix (Matt Harvey's debut) will close on Wednesday morning. Schaefer POTG 7/26/12 - Diamondbacks 1, Mets 3

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2012 08:16 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voter participation seems to be on a bit of an upswing lately. Nice to see... my thanks to all those who participate. We're going to break the pattern a bit for a while. My flight to South Africa leaves tomorrow morning. I expect to have Internet access at least through Monday of next week while I'm in Cape Town. I plan to get all of July tallied when I have some down time. (I'm usually the first in my family to wake up, so I may do some Internetting while in a dark and silent hotel room.) Please try to have all July games (the ones listed below plus the yet-to-be-played July 31 game) voted by Saturday of this week. I'll tally the votes on Sunday or at my first chance thereafter. I probably won't be posting any more reminders. I'll let myself fall behind on all games played in August and get caught up when I return to the U.S.A. on August 20. Despite the lack of my customary reminders, please keep starting the threads and casting your votes. During the last few years the Mets have nose-dived during my summer vacations. Maybe, now that they've already had an awful stretch, this year things will be different and I'll come back to find the Mets in the heart of a wild-card race. Let's hope so, anyway. Thank you, and Let's go Mets! Schaefer POTG 7/27/12 - Diamondbacks 11, Mets 5 Schaefer POTG 7/28/12 - Diamondbacks 6, Mets 3 Schaefer POTG 7/29/12 - Mets 5, Diamondbacks 1 Schaefer POTG 7/30/12 - Giants 7, Mets 8 (10 innings)

Edgy MD Jul 31 2012 08:27 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Sorry. I really turded out during the losing streak. Disenchantment certainly, but my life also got complicated.

themetfairy Aug 05 2012 04:54 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

Ashie - you need to specify which Ramirez gets Schaefer for the 8/5 game (it's obvious now, but it will be less obvious to BG when he gets back from his vacation). Thanks :)

themetfairy Aug 09 2012 07:12 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

themetfairy wrote: Ashie - you need to specify which Ramirez gets Schaefer for the 8/5 game (it's obvious now, but it will be less obvious to BG when he gets back from his vacation). Thanks :) Ashie - we both made the same mistake in the 8/8 voting; I just fixed my vote.

themetfairy Aug 09 2012 08:24 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Lefty Specialist said this in the 8/8 thread - In a 13-0 loss, shouldn't everyone be a zero, up to and including the parking lot attendants and batboys? I don't necessarily disagree, and considered doing it myself (G-Fafif witnessed me saying "No Schaefer for Anyone Tonight!"). But ultimately I decided to give a few sips of beer to the two bullpen guys who didn't stink up the joint. But a dry post-game clubhouse would also be fine with me.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 20 2012 08:19 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

Well, I'm back home from South Africa (it was a great vacation, but I'm really happy to be in the USA again) and it's time to start catching up on the Schaefer stuff. The voting for the six games listed below will close on Wednesday morning. And more to come. If my lack of regular reminders has caused you to lapse in your voting, now is the time to get caught up. Schaefer POTG 8/1/12 - Giants 1, Mets 2 Schaefer POTG 8/2/12 - Mets 9, Giants 1 Schaefer POTG 8/3/12 - Padres 3, Mets 1 Schaefer POTG 8/4/12 - Mets 6, Padres 2 Schaefer POTG 8/5/12 - Padres 7, Mets 3 Schaefer POTG 8/7/12 - Marlins 4, Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Aug 22 2012 09:34 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Schaefer voting for the games listed below will close early afternoon Thursday. This will get us all caught up. Schaefer POTG 8/8/12 - Marlins 13, Mets 0 Schaefer POTG 8/9/12 - Mets 6, Marlins 1 Schaefer POTG 8/10/12 - Braves 4, Mets 0 Schaefer POTG 8/11/12 - Braves 9, Mets 3 Schaefer PotG 8/12/12 -- Mets 6, Braves 5 Schaefer PotG, 8/14, Reds 3, Mets 0 Schaefer POTG, 8/15/2012: Reds 6 Mets 1 Schaefer POTG 8/16/12 - Mets 8, Reds 4 Schaefer POTG 8/17/12 - Nationals 6, Mets 4 Schaefer POTG, 8/18/2012: Mets 2 Nats 0 Schaefer POTG 8/19/12 - Nationals 5, Mets 2 Schaefer POTG 8/20/12 - Mest 1, Rockies 3

Benjamin Grimm Aug 22 2012 09:52 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Week ending May 12: David Wright, 8.95 points. Week ending May 19: David Wright, 6.76 points. Week ending May 26: David Wright, 6.66 points. Week ending June 2: R. A. Dickey, 10.51 points. Week ending June 9: Scott Hairston, 6.35 points. Week ending June 16: R. A. Dickey, 5.67 points. Week ending June 23: Chris Young, 6.81 points. Week ending June 30: Johan Santana, 7.03 points. Week ending July 7: David Wright, 7.65 points. Week ending July 14: Ruben Tejada, 3.42 points. Week ending July 21: David Wright, 7.10 points. Week ending July 28: Ike Davis, 9.24 points. Week ending August 4: R. A. Dickey, 7.73 points.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 22 2012 09:56 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Ike's PoTW score is the highest all year for a non-pitcher. OE. Unless the runner-up in the week of Dickey's 10+ score topped Ike.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 22 2012 10:00 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Ike's PoTW score is the highest all year for a non-pitcher. OE. Unless the runner-up in the week of Dickey's 10+ score topped Ike. Was Ike that good last week, or is his high score a Schaefer quirk, the result of most other Mets sucking? Schaefer's super at determining the player of the game, but very flawed when relied on to accumulate season stats, or to compare performances from different games.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 22 2012 11:08 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

He had six home runs that week. Here are the games where Ike earned points: Date,Game#,Player,Points,ab,r,h,2b,3b,hr,rbi,bb,so,hbp,sf,sh,sb,cs July 22,8137,Ike Davis,0.36,5,1,1,1,0,0,1,1,2,0,0,0,0,0 July 23,8138,Ike Davis,1.13,4,1,1,0,0,1,1,0,3,0,0,0,0,0 July 24,8139,Ike Davis,0.10,4,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0 July 25,8140,Ike Davis,0.98,4,1,1,0,0,1,1,0,1,0,0,0,0,0 July 27,8142,Ike Davis,1.50,4,1,1,0,0,1,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 July 28,8143,Ike Davis,5.17,4,3,4,0,0,3,3,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

Benjamin Grimm Aug 23 2012 12:05 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Week ending May 12: David Wright, 8.95 points. Week ending May 19: David Wright, 6.76 points. Week ending May 26: David Wright, 6.66 points. Week ending June 2: R. A. Dickey, 10.51 points. Week ending June 9: Scott Hairston, 6.35 points. Week ending June 16: R. A. Dickey, 5.67 points. Week ending June 23: Chris Young, 6.81 points. Week ending June 30: Johan Santana, 7.03 points. Week ending July 7: David Wright, 7.65 points. Week ending July 14: Ruben Tejada, 3.42 points. Week ending July 21: David Wright, 7.10 points. Week ending July 28: Ike Davis, 9.24 points. Week ending August 4: R. A. Dickey, 7.73 points. Week ending August 11: R. A. Dickey, 5.07 points. Week ending August 18: Jon Niese, 9.42 points. Voting for Tuesday's loss to the Rockies will close on Friday afternoon. Schaefer POTG 8/21/12 - Rockies 6, Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Aug 24 2012 01:02 PM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Wednesday's loss to the Rockies will close over the weekend, but not before Sunday. Schaefer POTG 8/22/12 - Rockies 5, Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2012 07:53 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Thursday afternoon's loss to the Rockies at Citi Field will close on Tuesday morning. Schaefer POTG, 08/23/2012. Colorado 1, Mets 0

Benjamin Grimm Aug 28 2012 07:01 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for all three of the games played against Houston this past weekend will close on Wednesday morning. Schaefer POTG 8/24/12 - Astros 3, Mets 1 Schaefer POTG 8/25/12 - Mets 3, Astros 1 Schaefer POTG 8/26/12 - Mets 2, Astros 1

Benjamin Grimm Aug 30 2012 07:44 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Tuesday night's win in Philadelphia will close on Friday morning. Schaefer POTG 8/28/12 - Mets 9, Phillies 5 SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Week ending May 12: David Wright, 8.95 points. Week ending May 19: David Wright, 6.76 points. Week ending May 26: David Wright, 6.66 points. Week ending June 2: R. A. Dickey, 10.51 points. Week ending June 9: Scott Hairston, 6.35 points. Week ending June 16: R. A. Dickey, 5.67 points. Week ending June 23: Chris Young, 6.81 points. Week ending June 30: Johan Santana, 7.03 points. Week ending July 7: David Wright, 7.65 points. Week ending July 14: Ruben Tejada, 3.42 points. Week ending July 21: David Wright, 7.10 points. Week ending July 28: Ike Davis, 9.24 points. Week ending August 4: R. A. Dickey, 7.73 points. Week ending August 11: R. A. Dickey, 5.07 points. Week ending August 18: Jon Niese, 9.42 points. Week ending August 25: R. A. Dickey, 8.84 points.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 31 2012 06:49 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Wednesday night's win in Philadelphia will close some time over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning. Schaefer POTG 8/29/12 - Mets 3, Phillies 2

Benjamin Grimm Sep 04 2012 07:20 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Thursday's loss to the Phillies will close on Wednesday morning. Schaefer POTG, 08/30/2012. Philadelphia 3, Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Sep 05 2012 07:50 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for the three games played over the weekend in Miami, plus the Labor Day game in St. Louis, will close on Thursday morning. This will close out the month of August, so look for the Players of the Month announcement tomorrow as well. Schaefer POTG 08/31/2012 Mets 3, Miami 0 Schaefer PotG, 9/1, Mets 5, Marlins 3 Schaefer POTG 09/02/2012 Mets 5, Miami 1 Schaefer POTG 9/3/12 - Cardinals 5, Mets 4

Benjamin Grimm Sep 10 2012 04:41 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for the games played last Tuesday and Wednesday in St. Louis will close on Tuesday morning. Schaefer POTG 9/4/12 - Cardinals 5, Mets 1 Schaefer POTG 9/5/12 - Mets 6, Cardinals 2 SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Week ending May 12: David Wright, 8.95 points. Week ending May 19: David Wright, 6.76 points. Week ending May 26: David Wright, 6.66 points. Week ending June 2: R. A. Dickey, 10.51 points. Week ending June 9: Scott Hairston, 6.35 points. Week ending June 16: R. A. Dickey, 5.67 points. Week ending June 23: Chris Young, 6.81 points. Week ending June 30: Johan Santana, 7.03 points. Week ending July 7: David Wright, 7.65 points. Week ending July 14: Ruben Tejada, 3.42 points. Week ending July 21: David Wright, 7.10 points. Week ending July 28: Ike Davis, 9.24 points. Week ending August 4: R. A. Dickey, 7.73 points. Week ending August 11: R. A. Dickey, 5.07 points. Week ending August 18: Jon Niese, 9.42 points. Week ending August 25: R. A. Dickey, 8.84 points. Week ending September 1: Ike Davis, 9.65 points.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 11 2012 08:40 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for all three of the games played against Atlanta this past weekend will close on Wednesday morning. Schaefer POTG 9/7/12 - Braves 3, Mets 0 Schaefer POTG, 9/8/2012: Braves 11 Mets 3 Schaefer POTG 9/7/12 - Braves 3, Mets 0

Benjamin Grimm Sep 12 2012 08:23 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Monday's game will close on Thursday morning. Schaefer POTG 9/10/12 - Nationals 5, Mets 1 SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Week ending May 12: David Wright, 8.95 points. Week ending May 19: David Wright, 6.76 points. Week ending May 26: David Wright, 6.66 points. Week ending June 2: R. A. Dickey, 10.51 points. Week ending June 9: Scott Hairston, 6.35 points. Week ending June 16: R. A. Dickey, 5.67 points. Week ending June 23: Chris Young, 6.81 points. Week ending June 30: Johan Santana, 7.03 points. Week ending July 7: David Wright, 7.65 points. Week ending July 14: Ruben Tejada, 3.42 points. Week ending July 21: David Wright, 7.10 points. Week ending July 28: Ike Davis, 9.24 points. Week ending August 4: R. A. Dickey, 7.73 points. Week ending August 11: R. A. Dickey, 5.07 points. Week ending August 18: Jon Niese, 9.42 points. Week ending August 25: R. A. Dickey, 8.84 points. Week ending September 1: Ike Davis, 9.65 points. Week ending September 8: Jason Bay, 4.85 points.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 13 2012 07:54 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Tuesday's loss to the Nationals will close on Friday morning. Schaefer POTG 9/11/12 - Nats 5, Mets 3

Benjamin Grimm Sep 17 2012 07:17 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for last Wednesday's loss to Washington will close on Tuesday morning. Schaefer POTG 9/12/12 - Nationals 2, Mets 0

Benjamin Grimm Sep 18 2012 07:05 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for all three games from this past weekend's Milwaukee series will close on Wednesday morning. Curiously, the game with the fewest votes right now is the game that the Mets won. Schaefer POTG 9/14/12 - Mets 7, Brewers 3 Schaefer POTG 9/15/12 - Brewers 9, Mets 6 Schaefer POTG 9/16/12 - Brewers 3, Mets 0

Benjamin Grimm Sep 19 2012 08:32 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for Monday's loss to the Phillies will close on Thursday morning. Schaefer POTG 9/17/12 - Phillies 3, Mets 1 SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Week ending May 12: David Wright, 8.95 points. Week ending May 19: David Wright, 6.76 points. Week ending May 26: David Wright, 6.66 points. Week ending June 2: R. A. Dickey, 10.51 points. Week ending June 9: Scott Hairston, 6.35 points. Week ending June 16: R. A. Dickey, 5.67 points. Week ending June 23: Chris Young, 6.81 points. Week ending June 30: Johan Santana, 7.03 points. Week ending July 7: David Wright, 7.65 points. Week ending July 14: Ruben Tejada, 3.42 points. Week ending July 21: David Wright, 7.10 points. Week ending July 28: Ike Davis, 9.24 points. Week ending August 4: R. A. Dickey, 7.73 points. Week ending August 11: R. A. Dickey, 5.07 points. Week ending August 18: Jon Niese, 9.42 points. Week ending August 25: R. A. Dickey, 8.84 points. Week ending September 1: Ike Davis, 9.65 points. Week ending September 8: Jason Bay, 4.85 points. Week ending September 15: Daniel Murphy, 7.24 points.

Edgy MD Sep 19 2012 08:43 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

[list]Historian of the Future: How the fuck bad was the week ending September 8? Graduate Assistant: You don't want to know. Historian of the Future: It's my job to know! Graduate Assistant: I'm putting the data up on the screen. Historian of the Future: Oh, dear God!! Take it down! Take it down![/list:u] It's now nine of 10 they've lost since September 5.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 24 2012 07:27 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for the remaining two games from last week's series against the Phillies will close on Tuesday morning. Schaefer POTG, 9/19/2012: Phillies 3 Mets 2 Schaefer POTG 9/20/12 - Phillies 16, Mets 1

Benjamin Grimm Sep 25 2012 06:48 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

All three games from this weekend's sweep of the Marlins will close on Wednesday morning. Each of the games is very low on votes, but the polls will close tomorrow regardless. Schaefer PotG 9/21/12 - Mets 7, Marlins 3 SSchaefer POTG 9/22/12 - Mets 4, Marlins 3 Schaefer POTG, 9/23/2012: Mets 3 Marlins 2 This is the time of year where I tend to get discouraged over the low Schaefer participation and consider not continuing next year, but when April comes around I expect I'll be back on board.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 27 2012 08:56 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for the first two games of the current Pittsburgh series will close on Friday morning. Schaefer POTG 9/25/12 - Pirates 10, Mets 6 Schaefer POTG 9/26/12 - Mets 6, Pirates 0 SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Week ending May 12: David Wright, 8.95 points. Week ending May 19: David Wright, 6.76 points. Week ending May 26: David Wright, 6.66 points. Week ending June 2: R. A. Dickey, 10.51 points. Week ending June 9: Scott Hairston, 6.35 points. Week ending June 16: R. A. Dickey, 5.67 points. Week ending June 23: Chris Young, 6.81 points. Week ending June 30: Johan Santana, 7.03 points. Week ending July 7: David Wright, 7.65 points. Week ending July 14: Ruben Tejada, 3.42 points. Week ending July 21: David Wright, 7.10 points. Week ending July 28: Ike Davis, 9.24 points. Week ending August 4: R. A. Dickey, 7.73 points. Week ending August 11: R. A. Dickey, 5.07 points. Week ending August 18: Jon Niese, 9.42 points. Week ending August 25: R. A. Dickey, 8.84 points. Week ending September 1: Ike Davis, 9.65 points. Week ending September 8: Jason Bay, 4.85 points. Week ending September 15: Daniel Murphy, 7.24 points. Week ending September 22: R. A. Dickey, 8.04 points.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 01 2012 11:22 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for the remaining two games from last week's series against the Pirates will close on Tuesday morning, not before 11 a.m.. Schaefer POTG 9/26/12 - Mets 6, Pirates 0 Schaefer POTG 09/27/2012, Mets 6, Pittsburgh 5 (Dickey 20-6)

Benjamin Grimm Oct 02 2012 06:58 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for all three of the games played in Atlanta this past weekend will close on Wednesday morning. This will close out the month of September. Schaefer POTG 9/28/12 - Mets 3, Braves 1 Schaefer POTG 9/29/12 - Braves 2, Mets 0 Schaefer POTG 9/30/12 - Braves 6, Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Oct 24 2012 11:51 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Voting for the final three games of the 2012 season will close on Thursday morning. Schaefer POTG 10/1/12 - Marlins 3, Mets 2 Schaefer POTG 10/2/12 - Marlins 4, Mets 3 Schaefer POTG, 10/3/2012: Mets 4 Marlins 2

Benjamin Grimm Oct 25 2012 07:28 AM Re: Schaefer 2012

Final list of Players of the Week for the 2012 season: SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK Week ending April 14: Jon Niese, 6.63 points. Week ending April 21: Mike Pelfrey, 7.85 points. Week ending April 28: Lucas Duda, 8.00 points. Week ending May 5: Johan Santana, 5.71 points. Week ending May 12: David Wright, 8.95 points. Week ending May 19: David Wright, 6.76 points. Week ending May 26: David Wright, 6.66 points. Week ending June 2: R. A. Dickey, 10.51 points. Week ending June 9: Scott Hairston, 6.35 points. Week ending June 16: R. A. Dickey, 5.67 points. Week ending June 23: Chris Young, 6.81 points. Week ending June 30: Johan Santana, 7.03 points. Week ending July 7: David Wright, 7.65 points. Week ending July 14: Ruben Tejada, 3.42 points. Week ending July 21: David Wright, 7.10 points. Week ending July 28: Ike Davis, 9.24 points. Week ending August 4: R. A. Dickey, 7.73 points. Week ending August 11: R. A. Dickey, 5.07 points. Week ending August 18: Jon Niese, 9.42 points. Week ending August 25: R. A. Dickey, 8.84 points. Week ending September 1: Ike Davis, 9.65 points. Week ending September 8: Jason Bay, 4.85 points. Week ending September 15: Daniel Murphy, 7.24 points. Week ending September 22: R. A. Dickey, 8.04 points. Week ending September 29: David Wright, 11.09 points. Week ending October 3: Scott Hairston, 4.39 points.