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Current Shortstop Depth

Edgy MD May 07 2012 07:16 AM

As of this morning, assuming Tejada is unavailable. [list=1:3jytac6o][*:3jytac6o]Turner[/*:m:3jytac6o] [*:3jytac6o]Rottino?[/*:m:3jytac6o] [*:3jytac6o]Wright?[/*:m:3jytac6o] [*:3jytac6o]Hairston?[/*:m:3jytac6o] [*:3jytac6o]Murphy?[/*:m:3jytac6o] [*:3jytac6o]Teufel?[/*:m:3jytac6o][/list:o:3jytac6o]

Benjamin Grimm May 07 2012 07:26 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Omar Quintanilla?

Edgy MD May 07 2012 07:27 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Has he been added? With that gallery of options, it would seem inevitable.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 07 2012 07:29 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

If Tejada is out more than a day or two Qunitanilla will be here faster than you can say 'Wilson Delgado'

smg58 May 07 2012 07:34 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Rube will be evaluated today. The chances are good he will be put on the DL, in which case Valdespin can be recalled. If he doesn't need to be put on the DL, which would be good news in the long term, I guess we see Quintanilla. Cedeno was supposed to start a rehab assignment today. The plan was to activate him on Friday, but I suppose circumstances may alter that plan.

Ceetar May 07 2012 07:39 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

smg58 wrote: Rube will be evaluated today. The chances are good he will be put on the DL, in which case Valdespin can be recalled. If he doesn't need to be put on the DL, which would be good news in the long term, I guess we see Quintanilla. Cedeno was supposed to start a rehab assignment today. The plan was to activate him on Friday, but I suppose circumstances may alter that plan. Cedeno isn't actually even eligible to come off until..Thursday? so might see Q for Rottino in the meantime. Buzz late last night seemed to be DL for Tejada which I have to imagine means Valdespin starting most games. In terms of Depth? they did slide Wright over there late in a game last year so I guess he might serve as the emergency guy if they played short today and Turner got hurt.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 07 2012 10:33 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Quintanilla would need to be added to the 40... which can take place without having to waive anyone as soon as the Mets slide Pelfrey to the 60-man.

Edgy MD May 07 2012 10:35 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Pelfrey was slud onto the 60-man to add Rottino.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 07 2012 10:36 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Fartnuggets. Acosta, then? Carrasco?

Edgy MD May 07 2012 10:42 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

One option: Pedro Beato could get transferred to the 60-day DL, and be eligible to come off on June 5. Mejia is just about ready to see game action. Another option is removing Schwin.

Ceetar May 07 2012 11:45 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Edgy DC wrote: Pelfrey was slud onto the 60-man to add Rottino. This move befuddles me. What is Rottino bringing that was worth adding him?

Edgy MD May 07 2012 11:49 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

It wasn't an issue until now.

Benjamin Grimm May 07 2012 11:50 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

CBS local website wrote: A team source told the New York Post that Tejada’s MRI results were “not good,” and though not certain, a trip to the disabled list was “very likely.” The 22-year-old was injured while beating out a bunt single in the bottom of the fourth inning, which resulted in a nasty spill over the bag at first. “The final decision won’t be made until he’s evaluated,” a source told the paper. “Tejada still thinks he can play in a few days.” Justin Turner replaced Tejada at shortstop, and Mets manager Terry Collins said the infielder could fill in for a time at the position. The Mets planned to bring an extra player to Philadelphia on Monday as insurance in case Tejada needs to go on the DL. “If they think it’s going to be five, six days, we’ll probably have to make some move,” said Collins. Tejada is batting .305 with 10 doubles and eight RBIs in his first year as a full-time starter. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/07/ ... ry-likely/

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 07 2012 11:50 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

See! He's doing a FINE job replacing Reyes! (Ducks flying fruit)

Vic Sage May 07 2012 12:24 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Quintanilla was a 1st round pick by Oakland, who has had a very good minor league career as a SS. He has not been productive in various opportunities with the Rockies, but at 31, having another good AAA season, seems absolutely the person best suited to fill the slot if Rube goes on the DL. I'm not sanguine about using Valdespin there, with his much more limited experience at the position and his long-term potential at other positions. I don't think there is much doubt that Quints is a steadier fielder, and he's even put up a better career OPS in the minors, and while it's entirely possible that Quints may ultimately prove to be no more than a AAAA-type player, I don't get the rationale for Valdy being anointed the likely replacement, since he's never proven anything.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 07 2012 12:26 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Vic Sage, as he frequently but not always is, is right.

Vic Sage May 07 2012 12:28 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

who did i used to say that about? CF? 13? Somebody... i forget. God, i've been on this board a long time.

Ceetar May 07 2012 12:28 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

I didn't get the rational for Valdespin being brought up in the first place, but it seems like we've got 40 man issues and Cedeno probably taking over on Friday anyway so Quintanilla probably doesn't add enough to add him to the roster.

Edgy MD May 07 2012 12:29 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

The rationale for Valdespinmeister has going for him is 40-man-rosteriness.

Vic Sage May 07 2012 12:35 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

i understand the roster problem (though you mentioned some obvious workarounds), and if Cedeno's return is imminent, it probably doesn't matter much. I just think there is no good BASEBALL reason for using guys like Turner or Valdespin at SS, even short term, when there is a way to get an experienced SS like Quints onto the active roster without losing anybody (e.g., Beato to 60day dl), and if Cedeno isn't really ready to come back just yet, they should get Quints up as soon as possible.

Ceetar May 07 2012 12:45 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Yes but Quintanilla would have to be sent down again. unlikely he's sticking. That may be more the issue than moving around players to find room for him. He's hitting well this year about an .804 OPS in the Pacific Coast League..well.. a wee bit below the PCL average last year. That's in 300 games. Valdespin barely has 300 AB and has a much higher upside.

Edgy MD May 07 2012 12:55 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

I'll just guess that they have baseball reasons for not choosing to put Beato on the 60-Day, though I may disagree. And I think I do.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 07 2012 02:09 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

As per Guys!: Tejada to DL w right quad strain. Valdespin replaces him. More on pre-game, 630 on SNY I think it speaks volumes about the thread topic that we're biding time waiting for Ronny Fucking Cedeno.

Ashie62 May 07 2012 05:04 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

I thought he was Zoilo Versalles.

Nymr83 May 07 2012 08:28 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Leaving aside 40-man space, is Q out of options? If so he'd be able to refuse the assignment back down and/or could be claimed by another team right?

Edgy MD May 07 2012 08:32 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Not using a guy because you're afraid you might lose him two weeks later would seem to be a losing strategy. Especially if he may become your first stringer the moment he shows up. If he plays well, he looks to stay. If he plays ill, he's unlikely to be lost. If he is lost, se la vie, but they needed him. Anyhow, Valdespin showed why he's the man tonight.

Vic Sage May 08 2012 07:44 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

i told you Valdy was the way to go!

Edgy MD May 26 2012 06:34 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Any word back on Cedeno's condition. Because we're possibly in the same place we were in at the top of this thread: [list=1:1wregs5o][*:1wregs5o]Turner[/*:m:1wregs5o] [*:1wregs5o]Rottino?[/*:m:1wregs5o] [*:1wregs5o]Wright?[/*:m:1wregs5o] [*:1wregs5o]Hairston?[/*:m:1wregs5o] [*:1wregs5o]Murphy?[/*:m:1wregs5o] [*:1wregs5o]Teufel?[/*:m:1wregs5o][/list:o:1wregs5o]

Ashie62 May 26 2012 06:40 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Leg cramp..should play tomorrow.

Ceetar May 26 2012 11:36 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

what's the word on Tejada? he started rehab games yet?

Frayed Knot May 27 2012 07:31 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

They're not calling it a "set-back" for Ruben but apparently his progress isn't what they were hoping for and his rehab stint has been delayed.

Edgy MD May 27 2012 07:48 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Omar Quintanilla: .280 / .345 / .493 // .839.

Edgy MD May 28 2012 12:03 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Umm... [list=1:2cp4bhcm][*:2cp4bhcm][crossout:2cp4bhcm]Tejada[/crossout:2cp4bhcm][/*:m:2cp4bhcm] [*:2cp4bhcm][crossout:2cp4bhcm]Cedeno[/crossout:2cp4bhcm][/*:m:2cp4bhcm] [*:2cp4bhcm][crossout:2cp4bhcm]Turner[/crossout:2cp4bhcm][/*:m:2cp4bhcm] [*:2cp4bhcm]Rottino?[/*:m:2cp4bhcm] [*:2cp4bhcm]Wright?[/*:m:2cp4bhcm] [*:2cp4bhcm]Hairston?[/*:m:2cp4bhcm] [*:2cp4bhcm]Murphy?[/*:m:2cp4bhcm][/list:o:2cp4bhcm]

Frayed Knot May 28 2012 12:17 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Yo Quintanilla, get to the airport ASAP!

Edgy MD May 28 2012 12:33 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

I think they need two infielders. At least until Cedeno is back on the field. They've been faking it too much at shortstop.

Frayed Knot May 28 2012 12:34 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

O.Q. is NOT on the 40-man so some dancing will be required to get him up here. Tejada probably still needs a week or more.

Edgy MD May 28 2012 12:41 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Would it be the worst thing in the world if Josh Satin was removed from the roster and exposed? Jack Egbert, for that matter, is going to be sent down in a day or two anyhow. How about removing him from the roster?

Nymr83 May 28 2012 12:46 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Edgy DC wrote: Would it be the worst thing in the world if Josh Satin was removed from the roster and exposed? Jack Egbert, for that matter, is going to be sent down in a day or two anyhow. How about removing him from the roster? Neither would be missed, even if they were claimed.

Ceetar May 28 2012 02:35 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Satin's still borderline a prospect or whatever. youngish. Not exactly expecting much from him but trying to avoid just losing guys like that. Of course, they jettisoned a similar "probably not going to make it but still young" case in F-Mart for the likes of D.J. Carrasco. Don't they still have a spot open or did Egbert take it? Acosta will be one spot, but the Mets don't have a ton of flexibility, especially if you want to consider the option of Harvey being added late in the year. Johnson/Nickeas could be another spot depending on how many days away Thole is. I imagine it's going to be Valdespin up though.

Edgy MD May 28 2012 03:17 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Like I said, I kind of want two guys capable of playing shortstop.

Ashie62 May 28 2012 04:07 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Terry said Quintanilla is injured and they might look to AA.

Frayed Knot May 28 2012 04:09 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Cedeno's only day-to-day (may even be available for Tuesday) so it's not like we have to jump through hoops to get two SS in here. Even if Wright has to start there for one game and then be the only back-up for a week until Tejada returns that wouldn't be the worst thing.

Ceetar May 28 2012 05:17 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Frayed Knot wrote: Cedeno's only day-to-day (may even be available for Tuesday) so it's not like we have to jump through hoops to get two SS in here. Even if Wright has to start there for one game and then be the only back-up for a week until Tejada returns that wouldn't be the worst thing. Tejada's not a straight-line return though, hasn't been able to play the field yet.

Edgy MD May 29 2012 07:09 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Supposedly, Wally had a sitdown with Valdespin in the last week. And if Wally Backman needs to tell you to grow up, that's maybe something you should look at. Anyhow, that's maybe relevant as far as who got the call last night. OE: The report.

Ceetar May 29 2012 08:11 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Is 'concentration' code for something? Do they think he was pouting after being demoted?

Vic Sage May 29 2012 10:04 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Emaus is at AAA? i thought we dumped him.

Edgy MD May 29 2012 10:11 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

We didn't dump him so much as return him to the Blue Jays for a nominal rule-fiver-who-can't-stick fee. The Jays immediately traded him to the Rockies, who flipped him at the end of last season to the Red Sox. The Sox released him at the start of this season, and the Mets signed him to a minor league deal a few weeks later around the time of Cedeño's first injury.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 29 2012 10:15 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Ashie62 wrote: Terry said Quintanilla is injured and they might look to AA. ??

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 30 2012 02:47 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Cedeno to DL; Valdespin up...

Edgy MD May 30 2012 03:02 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

That's got to be a relief to Sugarpants. I was really curious about as to Wally's contributions as to the busting of Valdy below Qunitanilla on the callup chart.

Frayed Knot May 30 2012 03:08 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Qunitanilla, btw, was the 5th different starting SS this season [Tejada with 27 starts; Cedeno = 16; Turner = 5; with OQ & JV at one each prior to tonight] tying that position with 1B for [u:1c44vvfi]2nd most[/u:1c44vvfi] in the musical chairs competition. Only LF with six different starters [Bay, 14 starts; Hairston - tonight will be his 13th; Nieuwenhuis = 12; Baxter = 9; Rottino = 2; and Valdespin = 1] has had more, but, really, LF is probably the position most likely to see the least stability for most teams in most years I would think. Not so good to see that kind of turnover at SS.

Edgy MD May 30 2012 03:13 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

And yet, we're going .274 / .341 / .368 // .710 at shortstop, which beats José Reyes' .262 / .342 / .338 // .681. Yes, we're out-slugging him.

Ceetar May 30 2012 03:30 PM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Tejada will workout tomorrow, and if he's fine will go do some rehab games.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 07 2012 09:16 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

[crossout:2s9rdyv4]Tejada[/crossout:2s9rdyv4] [crossout:2s9rdyv4]Cedeno[/crossout:2s9rdyv4] [crossout:2s9rdyv4]Turner[/crossout:2s9rdyv4] [crossout:2s9rdyv4]Quintanilla[/crossout:2s9rdyv4] Valdespin Wright? Sean Kazmar (Buffalo) Josh Rodriguez (Bingo) Wilfredo Tovar (St. Lucie)

Vic Sage Jun 07 2012 09:17 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

this is just nuts. where's Mike Bordick when we need him?

Ceetar Jun 07 2012 09:21 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Wilmer Flores is hitting pretty well in St. Lucie, on the 40 man. They switched him to third this season, but still..

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 07 2012 09:23 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Oh, Buff also has Oswaldo Navarro, career .130 hitter in cuppas in Seattle (2006) and Houston (2010) but a solid .260/333/325 in almost 1,000 minor league games, 600 at ss.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 07 2012 09:25 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

"Your shortstops are so fragile." "And so suckee."

batmagadanleadoff Jun 07 2012 09:30 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

batmagadanleadoff wrote: "Your shortstops are so fragile." "And so suckee." "You get what you pay for."

Vic Sage Jun 07 2012 09:32 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Where have you gone, Buddy Harrelson Mets nation turns its lonely eyes to you (Woo woo woo)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 07 2012 09:35 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Kazmar had a cuppa with the Padres in 2008. Apparently Tovar is the best defensive infielder in the system, and would require addition to the 40 after this year anyway.

seawolf17 Jun 07 2012 09:41 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

The Ducks have a guy, Ray Navarrete, who's lit up Atlantic League pitching the last few years. He's 34, but you throw him in there for a week or so, and you cut him when you don't need him any more. 2009: .309/.403/.531, 25 HR, 96 RBI, 82/57 K/BB 2010: .275/.371/.464, 13, 54 (missed half the year) 2011: .242/.331/.447, 27, 79, 95/54 2012: .338/.395/.554, 5, 28 in 167 PAs edit: He's a 1B/2B. Forget it. Thought he was a 2B/SS.

Ceetar Jun 07 2012 09:43 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

still, Sandy has to do something. There's a SS somewhere that's gettable that will be able to hold down the fort.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 07 2012 09:54 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

NOW THAT'S HOW YOU TWEET A LINEUP Mike Kerwick ?@mikekerwick Daniel Laruso is gonna fight? Daniel Laruso is gonna fight! (Omar Quintanilla is in the lineup). #mets Expand Reply Retweet Favorite

TransMonk Jun 07 2012 10:14 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Edgy MD Jun 07 2012 10:19 AM Re: Current Shortstop Depth

Part of me was hoping for Valdy. Sacking up and redeeming yourself is one of the coolest things to see on a baseball field. Winning is good too, though. We'll leave the sacking up to Q-Tip.