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ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

batmagadanleadoff May 10 2012 12:10 AM

http://espn.go.com/newyork/photos/galle ... atest-mets Let the debates begin.

metsguyinmichigan May 10 2012 04:01 AM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

They could only come up with 49 - yet leave off Frank Viola, Bobby Jones, Nolan Ryan, Felix Millan, Mike Hampton...

metsmarathon May 10 2012 06:24 AM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

piazza over wright? no. i wonder how this list compares to out more thoughtfully-created listing...

Ceetar May 10 2012 06:48 AM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

metsmarathon wrote: piazza over wright? no. i wonder how this list compares to out more thoughtfully-created listing... I'm assume it had.. well, no thought.

MFS62 May 10 2012 07:06 AM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

Consider the source - ESPN. Later

Frayed Knot May 10 2012 07:55 AM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

It's not a bad list. Its main flaw is the same one most of these lists make (and what our project tried to steer around) in that it bumps up some of the shorter-run "name" players often on the basis of a few big moments. - They have Carter at #9 for essentially 2-1/2 good years compared to our #37 - Olerud at 25 to our 41 - Backman at 31 (57) - Clendenon at 40 (73) - Knight at 44 (146) - and they naturally cede the final spot to Throneberry based totally on legend where he sits at #350 on the CPF list

The Second Spitter May 10 2012 07:59 AM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

Yeah, I stopped reading when I saw "The Mouth of the South" at 46.

Edgy MD May 10 2012 08:12 AM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

I have ESPN blocked at work, so I think this list sucks.

attgig May 10 2012 08:24 AM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

Frayed Knot wrote: It's not a bad list. Its main flaw is the same one most of these lists make (and what our project tried to steer around) in that it bumps up some of the shorter-run "name" players often on the basis of a few big moments. - They have Carter at #9 for essentially 2-1/2 good years compared to our #37 - Olerud at 25 to our 41 - Backman at 31 (57) - Clendenon at 40 (73) - Knight at 44 (146) - and they naturally cede the final spot to Throneberry based totally on legend where he sits at #350 on the CPF list I was thinking the same thing. kranepool right behind the few years of Olerud. ranking players for ONLY their work in that said franchise is just really tricky, and I'm not sure if there will ever be a GOOD list.

Edgy MD May 10 2012 08:55 AM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

There's something to be said for post-season performance (and certainly a World Series MVP) that's not really. From one perspective, the entire 162-game 1969 season was about the Mets winning a division and triumphing over the other five teams in that division. In winning the playoff series over the Braves, they defeated the champion of another division of six. So they are no longer atop a pile of six, but a pile of 12. From that perspective, the three-game series accomplished just as much as the 162-game season (or more, as 6 > 5), and so accomplishments by players in that series could reasonably be argued to be as weighted with importance as a any season's worth of performance. Similarly, the defeat of the Orioles would be worth as much as the 162-game season and the NLCS series put together. We weight the seasons for their post-season success, but certainly not at that level. And we don't weight the players by their performance in those post-seasons. I'm not sure my logic floats, but doing so would certainly take a step toward reconciling our rankings of Clendennon and Knight with ESPN's.

metirish May 10 2012 09:23 AM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

On a quick glance I didn't see Baltran?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 10 2012 09:37 AM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

#10, just behind Carter. He's probably more like my 8.

soupcan May 10 2012 10:23 AM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

Here's a game - try and figure out who each guy is just by looking at the (sometimes iconic, sometimes not) thumbnail photos representing each guy. I didn't count as I did it but I'm thinking I got maybe 75%. Bud Harrelson threw me.

batmagadanleadoff May 10 2012 10:27 AM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

Any Mets top 49 list that includes Armando and the Reeder, but not Ordonez, is on the right track, if you ask me, even with the. Wagner headscratcher.

Gwreck May 10 2012 11:14 AM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

Where is the current CPF list?

Mets – Willets Point May 10 2012 01:25 PM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

Gwreck wrote: Where is the current CPF list? I think FK keeps it tattooed on his body like that guy in Memento.

seawolf17 May 10 2012 01:29 PM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

The first rule of the CPF List is that nobody sees the CPF list.

Ceetar May 10 2012 01:35 PM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

simply comment 10000 times and track it over there <--- that's what I'm doing.

G-Fafif May 10 2012 01:43 PM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

I like Throneberry's place as the humble-beginnings floor for all "Greatest Met" discussions. (I like it so much I think I'll copy it seven years ago.) When ESPN first released this, they announced they were doing a reader poll to determine No. 50. Did they just give up because it's so much funnier to say "we could only find 49"?

attgig May 10 2012 01:44 PM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

Ceetar wrote: simply comment 10000 times and track it over there <--- that's what I'm doing. missing a few numbers, but here's an incomplete list if you're going by Ceetar's method: memberlist.php?sk=m&sd=a (sort by rank on the bottom, doesn't seem to work with the url)

Benjamin Grimm May 10 2012 01:51 PM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

We do have a Rankings Forum you know. However, that forum doesn't seem to include the rankings. Oh well.

Mets – Willets Point May 10 2012 01:53 PM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

Benjamin Grimm wrote: We do have a Rankings Forum you know. That would be exactly where you'd expect people to look.

seawolf17 May 10 2012 02:15 PM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

I never came up with a customized superlevel for breaking the Seaver barrier. I should do that.

Valadius May 10 2012 02:57 PM Re: ESPN's The 49 Greatest Mets of All TIme - Ranked

Piazza vs. Wright is debatable at this point, I personally give Piazza the edge at this moment on the basis of a pennant and 9/21/01.