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MCA RIP (split from Guess Who Died in 2012)

TransMonk May 04 2012 11:47 AM

Adam Yauch, a.k.a MCA from the Beastie Boys at 47. Cancer sucks.

metirish May 04 2012 12:02 PM Re: Guess who died in 2012

TransMonk wrote: Adam Yauch, a.k.a MCA from the Beastie Boys at 47. Cancer sucks. damn, been battling that for a while IIRC.

Edgy MD May 04 2012 12:20 PM Re: Guess who died in 2012

We're just 3 M.C.'s and we're on the go Shadrach, Meshach, Abednago

G-Fafif May 04 2012 01:01 PM Re: Guess who died in 2012

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 04 2012 03:01 PM Re: Guess who died in 2012

SIP the def ale with all the fly women

Frayed Knot May 05 2012 12:40 PM Re: Guess who died in 2012

Yauch's obit gets front page treatment from the NYTimes.

Edgy MD May 05 2012 06:43 PM Re: Guess who died in 2012

Most chronically immature musician to get that sort of nod from the Times since Zappa.

Fman99 May 05 2012 08:23 PM Re: Guess who died in 2012

Very depressing. I love love LOVE the Beastie Boys' music.

Frayed Knot May 05 2012 08:36 PM Re: Guess who died in 2012

Edgy DC wrote: Most chronically immature musician to get that sort of nod from the Times since Zappa. Granted that Saturday is usually a slow news day, but still surprising. In fact Yauch & Mariano got side-by-side front page (below the fold) stories.

Edgy MD May 06 2012 05:10 AM Yauch Frag

From the Game 26 IGT: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Fman99 wrote: Like I needed another reason to believe that Paul's Boutique is the best hip hop album of all time. I just listened to it, front to back, not two weeks ago at work, and commented to Fbro (another big Beastie Boys fan) as to its greatness. I literally wore out my first tape of PB. It was, is, and always shall be the joint. I got mine on cassette as well, picked up for free from the discard pile on a visit to SPIN magazine. My brother worked there before I did, and when I went up to say hi, there I spied an undesigned pre-release cassette of PB was among the never-to-be-reviewed press kits of has-beens (Rod Argent) and never-will-bes (Purple Jesus). While pimping Teenage Fanclub and 24-7 Spyz, the editorial staff couldn't even take this release seriously. The Beasties were done, and this lo-fi disco-tinged followup to the slick frat-boy metal screams of Licensed to Ill was seen as a joke and quickly passed on by the editorial staff. (They would, years later, list it among the great followups in history, along with The Long Run and Tusk.) The joke, of course, was on them. I played the snot out of it. During the brief blitz of publicity the record got, my roomie Sean heard Ad Rock describe the record as the sonic equivalent of a road trip with the 1973 Knicks. Sean was basketball royalty living in exile (the nephew of Hubie Brown), and we adopted the record as our soundtrack as we adopted the 1973 Knicks aesthetic as our lifestyle.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 08 2012 09:07 AM Re: Yauch Frag

From the Game 26 IGT: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Fman99 wrote: Like I needed another reason to believe that Paul's Boutique is the best hip hop album of all time. I just listened to it, front to back, not two weeks ago at work, and commented to Fbro (another big Beastie Boys fan) as to its greatness. I literally wore out my first tape of PB. It was, is, and always shall be the joint. I got mine on cassette as well, picked up for free from the discard pile on a visit to SPIN magazine. My brother worked there before I did, and when I went up to say hi, there I spied an undesigned pre-release cassette of PB was among the never-to-be-reviewed press kits of has-beens (Rod Argent) and never-will-bes (Purple Jesus). While pimping Teenage Fanclub and 24-7 Spyz, the editorial staff couldn't even take this release seriously. The Beasties were done, and this lo-fi disco-tinged followup to the slick frat-boy metal screams of Licensed to Ill was seen as a joke and quickly passed on by the writers. (They would, years later, list it among the great followups in history, along with The Long Run and Tusk.) The joke, of course, was on them. I played the snot out of it. During the brief blitz of publicity the record got, my roomie Sean heard Ad Rock describe the record as the sonic equivalent of a road trip with the 1973 Knicks. Sean was basketball royalty living in exile (the nephew of Hubie Brown), and we adopted the record as our soundtrack as we adopted the 1973 Knicks aesthetic as our lifestyle. Yeah, I recall that record got released to low expectations as well, the vibe seemed to be that "Fight for Your Right" was little more than an old novelty song that everyone was already sick of by that point. I won a copy of Paul's Boutique (on cassette) the very first week it came out while playing some game on a Jersey Shore boardwalk (whack a mole, maybe). Popped it in the cassette deck of my first car (1976 Honda Civic hatchback, back when Honda made better lawnmowers than cars) on the drive back and before long understood I was listening to the "Sgt. Pepper" of the 1980s. I probably would not have bothered to buy it new, nor would I have likely given in to the buzz around it after it was discovered, so it was a fortuitous moment for me. I got a boat to eat shrimp in.

Mets – Willets Point May 08 2012 09:46 AM Re: Yauch Frag

From the Game 26 IGT: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Fman99 wrote: Like I needed another reason to believe that Paul's Boutique is the best hip hop album of all time. I just listened to it, front to back, not two weeks ago at work, and commented to Fbro (another big Beastie Boys fan) as to its greatness. I literally wore out my first tape of PB. It was, is, and always shall be the joint. I got mine on cassette as well, picked up for free from the discard pile on a visit to SPIN magazine. My brother worked there before I did, and when I went up to say hi, there I spied an undesigned pre-release cassette of PB was among the never-to-be-reviewed press kits of has-beens (Rod Argent) and never-will-bes (Purple Jesus). While pimping Teenage Fanclub and 24-7 Spyz, the editorial staff couldn't even take this release seriously. The Beasties were done, and this lo-fi disco-tinged followup to the slick frat-boy metal screams of Licensed to Ill was seen as a joke and quickly passed on by the writers. (They would, years later, list it among the great followups in history, along with The Long Run and Tusk.) The joke, of course, was on them. I played the snot out of it. During the brief blitz of publicity the record got, my roomie Sean heard Ad Rock describe the record as the sonic equivalent of a road trip with the 1973 Knicks. Sean was basketball royalty living in exile (the nephew of Hubie Brown), and we adopted the record as our soundtrack as we adopted the 1973 Knicks aesthetic as our lifestyle. Yeah, I recall that record got released to low expectations as well, the vibe seemed to be that "Fight for Your Right" was little more than an old novelty song that everyone was already sick of by that point. I won a copy of Paul's Boutique (on cassette) the very first week it came out while playing some game on a Jersey Shore boardwalk (whack a mole, maybe). Popped it in the cassette deck of my first car (1976 Honda Civic hatchback, back when Honda made better lawnmowers than cars) on the drive back and before long understood I was listening to the "Sgt. Pepper" of the 1980s. I probably would not have bothered to buy it new, nor would I have likely given in to the buzz around it after it was discovered, so it was a fortuitous moment for me. I got a boat to eat shrimp in. This is interesting because I recall Paul's Boutique being well-received by the critics and the "cool kids" if not by popular acclaim. I'm almost certain that the generally clueless Rolling Stone gave it a positive review.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 08 2012 09:54 AM Re: Guess who died in 2012

Well, I was referring more to the idea that the Beasties Brand wasn't seen as cool but kind of dated in 1989. If PB came with any buzz it missed me by a long shot. I do recall PB getting some strong reviews but I didn't see them till later. I for one wouldn't have cared what Spin had to say.

metirish May 08 2012 10:00 AM Re: Guess who died in 2012

Rolling Stone review......4 stars http://www.rollingstone.com/music/album ... e-19930811 #156 on their 500 greatest list I distinctly remember my friend Jamey used to summer in America and coming home with that tape....a few weeks later we were stealing VW badges from cars and wearing them......yikes

Mets – Willets Point May 08 2012 10:04 AM Re: Guess who died in 2012

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Well, I was referring more to the idea that the Beasties Brand wasn't seen as cool but kind of dated in 1989. If PB came with any buzz it missed me by a long shot. I do recall PB getting some strong reviews but I didn't see them till later. I for one wouldn't have cared what Spin had to say. Yeah, my memory is that critics were saying "this is good" while the masses were saying "not interested." Interesting that Spin ignored it while Rolling Stone gave it a good review. I would've expected it that other way around.

metirish May 08 2012 11:44 AM Re: MCA RIP (split from Guess Who Died in 2012)

Was Paul’s Boutique Illegal? How dumb court decisions and bad laws have made it all but impossible for musicians to sample the way the Beastie Boys used to. By Matthew Yglesias|Posted Monday, May 7, 2012, at 4:57 PM ET http://www.slate.com/articles/business/ ... s_did.html

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 08 2012 12:35 PM Re: MCA RIP (split from Guess Who Died in 2012)

Leaving aside the unfortunate timing... that's just stupid, money-grubbing nuisance stuff, there. Copyright/"fair use" law has been through so many changes since then, it's like the Hawthorne estate suing some poor guy posthumously over an unauthorized reproduction of "The Scarlet Letter."

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 08 2012 01:04 PM Re: MCA RIP (split from Guess Who Died in 2012)

This whole debate is bigger than I'm prepared to take on but I'd say it was different that the Beasties and DeLaSoul swiped snippets of things and used them in such a way that it elevated them, whereas too many others just walked away with the backing tracks so as to build shitty rhymes on top. I dunno. But I guess either way, the originals deserved compensation for writing.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 08 2012 01:07 PM Re: MCA RIP (split from Guess Who Died in 2012)

But it's 24 years later, and they hadn't previously approached the Beasties/Dust Brothers about settlement/compensation. It's been so long, they could feasibly be represented by lawyers who were conceived in a Fiero backseat to "High Plains Drifter."

metirish May 08 2012 01:10 PM Re: MCA RIP (split from Guess Who Died in 2012)

The timing is deliberate?, I thought the article was really just saying that nowadays it might be difficult to make said album? I don't really think he was disparaging the Beastie Boys.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 08 2012 01:21 PM Re: MCA RIP (split from Guess Who Died in 2012)

Ah. I scanned the first part of the article, and erroneously thought it made mention of this: According to AllHipHop, the group has been hit with a new lawsuit by Tuf America for copyright infringement stemming from samples used on the group's first two albums, License to Ill and Paul’s Boutique. The label claims the group used the samples illegally and are continuing to profit off of them thanks to recent reissues. The lawsuit was actually filed in United States District Court for the Southern District of New York on Thursday, May 3, the day before Yauch died, but its timing is still unfortunate, rubbing a bit of salt in the Beasties’ wounds. Tuf America claims the Beasties allegedly used samples from Trouble Funk’s “Drop the Bomb” on “Hold It Now Hit It,” “The New Style,” both on License to Ill, as well as “Car Thief” off of Paul’s Boutique. Additionally, the lawsuit claims they swiped samples from another Trouble Funk song, “Say What,” for “Shadrach” on Paul’s Boutique. While the lawsuit will certainly be looked at unfavorably in light of its timing, there’s also the issue that the suit is relying on laws passed after the release of both albums: License To Ill was released in 1986 and Paul’s Boutique in 1989 while rulings pertaining to sampling issues weren’t instituted until the early 1990s.

metsmarathon May 08 2012 02:18 PM Re: MCA RIP (split from Guess Who Died in 2012)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: But it's 24 years later, and they hadn't previously approached the Beasties/Dust Brothers about settlement/compensation. It's been so long, they could feasibly be represented by lawyers who were conceived in a Fiero backseat to "High Plains Drifter." i'm pretty sure the backseat of a fiero is the motor.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 08 2012 02:21 PM Re: MCA RIP (split from Guess Who Died in 2012)

PS, The Long Run still sucks, and as a result, High Plains Drifter is probably my least fave track on Paul's Boutique.

Edgy MD May 08 2012 02:32 PM Re: MCA RIP (split from Guess Who Died in 2012)

Is your antipathy equally spread across the Eagles catalog, or is TLR a particular bugbear?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 08 2012 02:40 PM Re: MCA RIP (split from Guess Who Died in 2012)

This is fun, and pretty to look at. Each dot represents one word of the song. The colours represent who is saying that word.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 08 2012 02:47 PM Re: MCA RIP (split from Guess Who Died in 2012)

Edgy DC wrote: Is your antipathy equally spread across the Eagles catalog, or is TLR a particular bugbear? TLR was particularly bad, I always thought. Kinda scared but we aint shakin Kinda bent but we aint breakin That brings the chunder.

Mets – Willets Point May 08 2012 02:52 PM Re: MCA RIP (split from Guess Who Died in 2012)

Edgy DC wrote: Is your antipathy equally spread across the Eagles catalog, or is TLR a particular bugbear? You know where my antipathy lies.

Edgy MD May 08 2012 02:52 PM Re: MCA RIP (split from Guess Who Died in 2012)

Yabbut... Timothy B. Schmidt! Plus the Joe Walsh track was Warriors-soundtrack fodder, In the City. Plus there's... I got nothing else.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 08 2012 03:14 PM Re: MCA RIP (split from Guess Who Died in 2012)

Side A The Long Run -- awful. Can you think of a worse leadoff song following a bazillion-seller? Slow and simple, really bad lyrics I Can't Tell You Why - OK in a adult-contemporary way I suppose In the City - Yeah, not bad, bonus for the Warriors association. Sounds like a Joe Walsh solo song. Disco Strangler -- fucking horrible King of Hollywood - Never made it that far on the record. Side B Heartache Tonight - Supposed to be a happy blues song or something? Also slow. Also Henley can't sing. Those Shoes - Boring, nearly ruins Paul's Boutique Teenage Jail - Even slower and more boring the the slow and dull selections of Henley. Tuneless. Poorly sung. The Greeks Don't Want No Freaks - Seemed like a baldfaced attempt to score on the Animal House franchise. "Fake live" sound. I guess its OK for a party song. The Sad cafe - Never got that far on the LP I don;t know if any of these songs would be worthy of replacing the worst song on "Hotel California." Yeah, so I guess it's a TLR thing.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 08 2012 04:50 PM Re: MCA RIP (split from Guess Who Died in 2012)

Two things. 1. The retail playlist awaiting me at party city this evening included Heartache Tonight. 2. The Beasties Girls is heard in the bacground as Ed Coleman interviews Nickeas On the pregame.

Edgy MD May 08 2012 04:52 PM Re: MCA RIP (split from Guess Who Died in 2012)

That was a much more comprehensive indictment than my inquiry warranted. Bravo.