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Peter Weir: A Selected Filmography
Vic Sage May 21 2012 02:00 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 18 2014 07:58 AM |
The films of Peter Weir
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 21 2012 02:14 PM Re: Peter Weir: A Selected Filmography |
I can't say that I consciously stick around and watch Fearless whenever I come upon it on cable; I'm just kind of transfixed and involuntarily sucked in.
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Vic Sage May 21 2012 02:21 PM Re: Peter Weir: A Selected Filmography |
Given how visual a filmmaker he is, Weir has had a pretty good track record with actors, even rivaling Pollack and Lumet.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket May 21 2012 02:33 PM Re: Peter Weir: A Selected Filmography |
I love these little filmographies. You should collect 'em all in a book -- or at least a phone app -- I'd buy a copy.
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Vic Sage May 21 2012 02:35 PM Re: Peter Weir: A Selected Filmography |
done. get me a publisher. you can have 10% of the nothing i'll get for them.
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Frayed Knot May 22 2012 08:04 AM Re: Peter Weir: A Selected Filmography |
'Fearless' is the one of his I've meant to get around to but for some reason never have.
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Edgy MD May 22 2012 08:14 AM Re: Peter Weir: A Selected Filmography |
Didn't work for me at the time. It might work better now.
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The Second Spitter May 22 2012 08:45 AM Re: Peter Weir: A Selected Filmography |
Gallipoli is reviled by British military people for certain historical "liberties". Not Pearl Harbour bad, but even the tour guide at the Australian War Memorial called it "rubbish". Admittedly Weir does go a bit overboard with jingoism.
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Vic Sage May 29 2012 09:37 AM Re: Peter Weir: A Selected Filmography |
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I'm sure it's not as historically factual as pro-military folk can reasonably assert; I'm also sure it's truthful nonetheless. But I'm not sure how Weir is going "overboard with jingoism"; my feeling was that the film is actually anti-jingoistic, challenging the military zeal of the Australian high command in their willingness to put their troops in harm's way as scapegoats and cannon fodder for the British. It's an anti-war film; how is that "jingoistic"? It was certainly nationalistic, in the depictions of the willing martyrdom of the soldiers, and the generally burnished and nostalgic vision of Australian life at that time, but you can support the troops, and the national character, without supporting the war or being a proponent of it, as "jingoism" would require.
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Edgy MD May 29 2012 11:20 AM Re: Peter Weir: A Selected Filmography |
Gallipoli worked for me. It had the strange advantage of being the last film my family of six ever went out and saw together as a family. Really strange selection, I guess, but I didn't even know, up until that point, that World War I was a viable subject for a movie.
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Vic Sage May 29 2012 11:48 AM Re: Peter Weir: A Selected Filmography |
The running sequences were great, scored to Jarre's electronic OXYGENE. It's sort of interesting to note that earlier that same year (1981), CHARIOTS OF FIRE was released, featuring great running sequences with Vangelis' Oscar-winning electronic score. It was a great year for electronic running music.
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The Second Spitter May 29 2012 11:51 AM Re: Peter Weir: A Selected Filmography |
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Maybe it's my use of the term "jingoism" that's at issue here. I mean it in a colloquial sense, as an extreme form of nationalism, not necessarily implying expansionism. As an American, I can completely understand why how you could miss this or fail to understand what makes it so offensive (and please dont interpret this as if I'm being condescending.) In short, Weir's film perpetuates the myth of the "Anzac spirit" more than any other individual source. The "Anzac Spirit" embraces virtues such as endurance, courage, ingenuity, good humour, larrikinism, and mateship. Such lofty sensibilities. The Australian soldiers in the film were perceived to have been innocent and fit, stoical and laconic, irreverent in the face of authority, naturally egalitarian and disdainful of British class differences. These qualities have supposedly somehow rubbed off on the Australian national identity and consciousness. It's nationalism in its most fundamental sense -- the use of mythology to forge a national identity. Weir demonstrates an implicit bias portraying Australians superior for exhibiting such virtues. In reality what he's doing is cleansing the Australian identity of its convict origins -- it's most prominent bane. My biggest problem with the Anzac Spirit, aside from being a complete myth, is that it's exclusionary and discriminatory in every conceivable way - it subjugates everybody who is not a white, anglo saxon male. For this Weir must be held accountable. As one academic put it succinctly:
As much as Weir would like Gallipoli to be Australia's War of Independence, it is not. An ancestor of mine perished at Gallipoli. He wasn't an Anzac though. He was one of the 9,000 French soldiers killed there, which numbered more than the Anzacs. However, Weir doesn't feel their story is worth telling. In fact, he barely acknowledges them at all, because to do so would give less credibility to his quest to forge a national identity there.
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Vic Sage May 29 2012 01:16 PM Re: Peter Weir: A Selected Filmography Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 29 2012 01:33 PM |
I have no particular knowledge or insight into Australasian culture in general, or "Anzac spirit" in particular, nor its internal debates about race, gender, national identity, etc., but i don't think they are unique in having such tensions, nor in having myths about who they are as a people.
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Frayed Knot May 29 2012 01:29 PM Re: Peter Weir: A Selected Filmography |
[responding to SS] Isn't it also the case that the doomed-to-failure tactics* depicted in the end was in reality as much the decision of Aussie brass as it was British but the movie essentially saddles it all on the British to better fit the film's narrative and possibly also to feed into nationalism you describe?
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The Second Spitter May 29 2012 01:39 PM Re: Peter Weir: A Selected Filmography |
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"Much of my post" equates to two sentences in the second paragraph and an academic quote that was attributed. Seriously? The Wikipedia article doesn't even mention Weir's film. I quoted the article for accuracy not because I can't formulate an orginal idea. Please spare me the sociology lesson. If you can't explain to me why the Gallipoli identity should be viewed as more inherently Australian than French or British, without blugeoning me to death with Nietzsche then this conversation is uninteresting to me. However please allow me to reiterate in fewer words: the Anzac identity is racist and Weir is its harbinger.
Like all those pesky Jews in Germany in the 40's.
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Vic Sage May 29 2012 03:04 PM Re: Peter Weir: A Selected Filmography |
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First of all, I had already edited my post before you responded, because i too felt that the Nietzche discussion was unneccessary and that, while still feeling it was necessary to note your plagiarism (in a post busy casting aspersions about moral accountability), i didn't want to make so much of it.
I wasn't asserting that it was more inherently Australian; neither was Weir, as far as i can see from all the way over here. That debate is, as i said, an internal one going on within your own culture. What i was responding to were the characters and themes of the work presented, which was laudatory about the soldiers. What you are asserting is that, by being laudatory about the white males fighting the fight, it was necessarily being derogatory about everybody else not shown in the film. Which may play well in the hipster bars of Sydney but i think is entirely spurious.
yeah, when you go there, you lose all credibility. see Godwin's Law, from your favorite source, Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law also, Reductio ad Hitlerum -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
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The Second Spitter May 29 2012 03:39 PM Re: Peter Weir: A Selected Filmography |
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Look it's no coincidence I've chosen live large portions of my life away from this country. In all the places I've lived in around the world, the one place I can guarantee to be treated as a second-class citizen is the country of my birth. There are places in Sydney I avoid for fear of my personal safety because of the way I look. I never had this problem living in the United States, Canada, Britain, France or any other country even though I was less culturally adapted and spoke differently. When I lived in America, I felt less of a foreigner than the country of my fucking birth. Can you see a fundamental problem here? I don't need to be patronized by some Peter Weir mark who has no fucking idea what the fuck he's talking about, yet has the temerity to accuse me of plagiarism.
Of course, I do. Because it falls squarely into the paradigm you provided and makes you look like a complete ass-clown.
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