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IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Edgy MD
May 23 2012 09:32 PM

The Mets last two homestands were four games and three games, so it kind of feels like they've been on the road forever. they now come home for 11 games --- their longest homestand of the year.

Facing the Pads will be Jeremy Hefner, who I've been advocating for for about five weeks, so no pressure, but he better not make me look stupid. Hef was twice drafted by the Mets, in 2004 (46th round) and 2005 (48), before finally signing with these very same Padres after they picked him in the sixth round in 2007. Considering the personnel the Mets have who I imagine had scouted him for both teams, they probably didn't have to pore over the paperwork before grabbing him, but he had an eventful little winter, getting put on waivers and grabbed by Pittsburgh in November, and then waived by the Bucs and grabbd by the Mets in December. Had he debuted earlier this week, he could have faced both his waiverers and made them both pay.

As long as somebody pays, I'm happy. Show 'em what you're made of Jeremy!



Terry Collins has dropped hints that Andres Torres will perhaps sit a third straight day in observance of Operation Get Your Shit Together. Hopefully his shit is assembling itself.



Ike Davis will be the centerpiece of Elephant in the Living Room Night at the ballpark Thursday. The first 20,000 people entering will get one free opinion about what the Hell to do about Ike Freakin' Davis.



The Mets guarantee that all 20,000 of those opinions will retain their resale value longer than Mike Francesa's notion that maybe Ike is suffering from Jungle Fever but nobody knows.

metsguyinmichigan
May 23 2012 09:37 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24, Homecoming

OK, it's Rusty Staub bobblehead game.

Why is Rusty wearing the snow white uniform on the bobblehead? (At least he is in the photo on Metsblog.)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 23 2012 09:38 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24, Homecoming

The Fing FMFYs tonite had their TV broadcast do a viewer poll of "which first baseman most deserves to be demoted" and made the choices Ike, Smoak and Hosmer (Ike ran away with it). If this wasn't the most transparent attempt to deflect attention away from Texiera's shitty start (and the fact he makes more in a month than the 3 others in a year combined) I don't know what was. Why else the fuck?

Edgy MD
May 23 2012 09:52 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Push polling --- could you get any more desperate?

Here's hoping Gary is up to mentioning it on the broadcast tomorrow.

batmagadanleadoff
May 23 2012 10:25 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24, Homecoming

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
OK, it's Rusty Staub bobblehead game.

Why is Rusty wearing the snow white uniform on the bobblehead? (At least he is in the photo on Metsblog.)


"No corporate logo on me".


Road grays from Rusty's last two seasons under Yogi?

batmagadanleadoff
May 23 2012 10:34 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24, Homecoming




If you separated Rusty's bobble head from his bobble body, and then removed the baseball helmet from Rusty's bobble head, would you recognize Rusty's bobble head as that of Rusty? If you answered "yes", you're full of shit.

Edgy MD
May 24 2012 04:35 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

I was thinking something similar last night --- that didn't involve dismemberment. The Expos Rusty seems to capture him a lot better. By better, I mean to say that at least they seem to have tried.

Ceetar
May 24 2012 06:46 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Rusty Staub bobblehead day is actually Saturday not today.

I've never thought bobbleheads looked particularly good. Seems odd they'd nail the dirt on Seaver's knee but miss on Rusty. Or are you guys just hard judgers?

[url]http://metspolice.com/2012/05/23/even-more-video-of-rusty-staub-in-1975-to-compare-to-your-mets-bobblehead/

Frayed Knot
May 24 2012 06:52 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

The next bobble-head I see that actually resembles the person it's supposed to will be the first.

Ceetar
May 24 2012 06:53 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Frayed Knot wrote:
The next bobble-head I see that actually resembles the person it's supposed to will be the first.


well, my Mr. Met bobble head looks like Mr. Met..

HahnSolo
May 24 2012 07:01 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24, Homecoming

batmagadanleadoff wrote:

If you separated Rusty's bobble head from his bobble body, and then removed the baseball helmet from Rusty's bobble head, would you recognize Rusty's bobble head as that of Rusty? If you answered "yes", you're full of shit.


If I do that and pretend there's no red hair, it looks like Jin from Lost.

Ceetar
May 24 2012 07:05 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24, Homecoming

HahnSolo wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:

If you separated Rusty's bobble head from his bobble body, and then removed the baseball helmet from Rusty's bobble head, would you recognize Rusty's bobble head as that of Rusty? If you answered "yes", you're full of shit.


If I do that and pretend there's no red hair, it looks like Jin from Lost.


yeah, i see that.

Edgy MD
May 24 2012 07:20 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24, Homecoming

HahnSolo wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:

If you separated Rusty's bobble head from his bobble body, and then removed the baseball helmet from Rusty's bobble head, would you recognize Rusty's bobble head as that of Rusty? If you answered "yes", you're full of shit.


If I do that and pretend there's no red hair, it looks like Jin from Lost.


I kind of see a redheaded Martin Scorscese.

Ceetar
May 24 2012 07:21 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

I've now accidentally gotten the first two of these bobbleheads. (My Aunt got an extra Seaver that she's holding for me until I see her (probably Sunday) and someone offered me free tickets for Saturday so..)

so now I'm sorta committed to getting all 5.

Edgy MD
May 24 2012 07:41 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

The bloggers interview Rusty.

bmfc1
May 24 2012 09:05 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Another bad bobblehead:
http://www.zoowithroy.com/2012/05/worst ... cerns.html

Ceetar
May 24 2012 09:43 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Another bad bobblehead:
http://www.zoowithroy.com/2012/05/worst ... cerns.html


beat me to it.

Edgy MD
May 24 2012 09:52 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Metsbeat takes a good look at today's pitchers. Good stuff.

About scheduled Padres starter Eric Stolts:

[list][*]Sucked in Japan, was banished back to the decadent and decaying West.[/*:m][/list:u]


Coincidentally, Eric Stoltz sucked in early Back to the Future shooting and was banished back to the decadent and decaying Quentin Tarantino movies.

batmagadanleadoff
May 24 2012 10:17 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Bad Mets Bobble giveaways



Edgy MD
May 24 2012 10:24 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Looks more like Bob Ojeda and Mike Hampton have spent too much time in the tanning booth.

Ceetar
May 24 2012 11:36 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

also from shop.mlb where the Halladay one is, some Mets ones.



Tell me what it says about Jason Bay that he's throwing instead of swinging.





also, lego figures. i want.

The website has a Frank Francisco one, but it links to the David Wright one when you click it:

Benjamin Grimm
May 24 2012 11:38 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

The Lego is a better likeness of David Wright than the bobblehead is of Jason Bay.

MFS62
May 24 2012 11:39 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Bay looks like he's reaching back to see how close he is to the wall, something Mariano Rivera should have done.

Later

G-Fafif
May 24 2012 01:35 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

If Disney was making a baseball movie in which they paid David Wright to appear with a bunch of fictional players, this is what the scorecard would look like:

Cedeno-6
Murphy-4
Wright-5
Hairston-7
Duda-9
Rottino-3
Torres-8
Johnson-2
Hefner-1

Coincidentally, the manager will be played by Terry Collins and it will be filmed tonight at Citi Field starting at 7:10.

Nymr83
May 24 2012 01:40 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Terry Collins has dropped hints that Andres Torres will perhaps sit a third straight day in observance of Operation Get Your Shit Together. Hopefully his shit is assembling itself.


Living in such close proximity to Congress, the acronym capital of the world, you should be able to do better than OGYST.

How about OOOPS! Operation Our Outfield Performance Sucks!
Or DEMOTE! Don't Encourage More Of Torres' Errors!

Ashie62
May 24 2012 04:23 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Hows the weather at Citi?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 24 2012 05:07 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

sporadic, 3-minute episodes of heavy rain, just wet and humid otherwise.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 24 2012 05:49 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Paused after two complete innings, thanks to them water-drops. Sandy riding out the wetness in the SNY booth, talking Ike, filling in value at a roster's margins, and- at the moment- the process behind the Niese extension. Great stuff.

Benjamin Grimm
May 24 2012 05:59 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

David Wright isn't going anywhere... unless he wants to.

Edgy MD
May 24 2012 06:11 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Sandy talking process: the new porn.

MLB.com has cut both the video and audio feeds during the rain delay.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 24 2012 06:14 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

If somebody's going to get shanghaied into taking a squeegee to this field, it's going to be DW.

Porn of a different sort on now: Mets Yearbook '68.

Edgy MD
May 24 2012 06:52 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Oh man, this rain delay ended ten minutes too early.

Kong76
May 24 2012 06:57 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Somebody turn the rain back on.

Edgy MD
May 24 2012 07:16 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

That third inning just ticked up Jason Marquis' stock a little. Hang in there, Jeremy. Hang in there, the rest of you Buffamets.

Edgy MD
May 24 2012 07:20 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Rain hurts the Hef.

A lot of these hits were right off the ends of gloves too. Hard hit, though.

Did the humidity break at all?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 24 2012 07:26 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Still wettish.

Hef's gotten no help from anyone, be they umpire or teammate (save Rob Johnson).

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 24 2012 07:34 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Meanwhile, all Met liners seem to bounce less productively off the Friar leather.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 24 2012 07:35 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

About had enough of Rob Johnson. Nickeas too. I want all new catchers.

Ashie62
May 24 2012 07:42 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Ask the rain God..

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 24 2012 07:44 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

They do bunt well.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 24 2012 07:47 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Johnson, you bastard.

Frayed Knot
May 24 2012 07:48 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Not a good day when the opposing pitcher has (at least) 5 assists by the 5th inning.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 24 2012 07:54 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Arguing close CS calls, throwing over to first a half-dozen times with a five-run lead?

These Padres are, um, charming.

Ashie62
May 24 2012 07:59 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

You can't lose the first game of a homestand to the Padres.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 24 2012 08:03 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 24 2012 08:04 PM

BEARS NOTING: They're losing to a team that pinch-hits Suppan to bunt (with five-run lead) ... unsuccessfully.

Fman99
May 24 2012 08:04 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

This game is sucking some Thursday night wet sloppy cock.

Ceetar
May 24 2012 08:05 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
This game is sucking some Thursday night wet sloppy cock.


yeah, something like that.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 24 2012 08:07 PM
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Hillside Honda girl>>>Lee's Toyota girls

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 24 2012 08:11 PM
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Still early says the MVP.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 24 2012 08:12 PM
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SUGAR PANTS TO MIDDLE-IN FASTBALL: "GO DUCK YOURSELF."

Ashie62
May 24 2012 08:16 PM
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Now tied with Ike for team HR lead.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 24 2012 08:21 PM
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I play in two deep fantasy leagues, both of which prize effective middle-relievers, and I have heard of, like, two Padre bullpen guys before.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 24 2012 08:26 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Wotta sad offense this is.

Ceetar
May 24 2012 08:27 PM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
I play in two deep fantasy leagues, both of which prize effective middle-relievers, and I have heard of, like, two Padre bullpen guys before.


Padres pull effective middle relievers out of thin air it seems.

Fman99
May 24 2012 08:27 PM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Ugh.

Fman99
May 24 2012 08:34 PM
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Hi, I'm Manny Acosta, and if you don't mind, I'd like to take a big shit on the mound.

Edgy MD
May 24 2012 08:34 PM
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A homer is cathartic, anyhow.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 24 2012 08:44 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 24 2012 08:47 PM

So are tack-on runs, when they allow you to turn off a game you've stuck with way too long already.

Fman99
May 24 2012 08:44 PM
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Fuck. Keeping track of the outs might help, guys. This sucks some ass.

Fman99
May 24 2012 08:44 PM
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Now it's 9-3. I'm punching out.

Edgy MD
May 24 2012 08:50 PM
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I love hearing the voices of fans who hang in there.

Edgy MD
May 24 2012 09:13 PM
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C'MON, IKE!

Edgy MD
May 24 2012 09:18 PM
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That's the stuff, Ike.

Afraid to throw you a fastball, huh?

Edgy MD
May 24 2012 09:34 PM
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Baxter leads off, pinching against a lefty.

Six-run ninth coming.

Edgy MD
May 24 2012 09:41 PM
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Or not.

Thanks for ruining my streak, youse bums.

Edgy MD
May 25 2012 08:29 AM
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A coupla thoughts otg:

[list:3590lpsf][*:3590lpsf]If you gotta lose to a team of suckers like the Pads, it might as well be game one of a series.

[/*:m:3590lpsf]
[*:3590lpsf]If you gotta lose to a team of suckers like the Pads, you might as well get some monkeys off your back by breaking a homerun slump and getting a two run hit for Ike Davis in his lone trip.

[/*:m:3590lpsf]
[*:3590lpsf]A big part of our pythagorean bugbear may be having a mopup pitcher with a 12 ERA rather than a five or six era.

[/*:m:3590lpsf]
[*:3590lpsf]Wondering how much of Hefner's crapout is going to be written off to the rain and how much is going to be hung around his neck.

[/*:m:3590lpsf]
[*:3590lpsf]Can't see a reason not to farm out Manny. If you believe there's something more beyond the results, great, but his as low a risk for a waiver claim now as he's ever gonna be. I suppose he could outright refuse a demotion like Ollie but so be it. The Mets have a pile of talented pitchers waiting for their chance, and can't live in fear of brinkmanship by guys throwing meatballs.[/*:m:3590lpsf][/list:u:3590lpsf]

Ceetar
May 25 2012 08:58 AM
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I've run the numbers but haven't polished/edited the post but basically if we had Manny Acosta 2011 over Manny Acosta 2012 we'd only be being outscored by a very small amount and no one would be noticing the discrepancy.

Vic Sage
May 25 2012 09:18 AM
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* I'm curious as to why you feel losing game 1 is preferable to losing any other game in a series?
* HRs are always nice, and an Ike Davis hit is such a Rara Avis, it would be welcome at any time;
* Blaming the negative run differential on Acosta seems like a stretch to me, but i'm open to the possibility. In any event, even if Manny is largely responsible for much of the negative run differential, he is unlikely to be the sole factor. I'd suggest our negative differential is an accurate reflection of this team's overall performance (i'm sure other teams with neg run diff over the years have had 1 or 2 guys you could point a finger at, too), and that it is the lineup's statistically unmaintainable 2-out success rate, giving us a league-leading come-from-behind win rate, that has created the temporary illusion of marginal success.
* yes, lets blame the rain. That's always good.
* Dump Manny? sure, why not.

Edgy MD
May 25 2012 09:23 AM
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Vic Sage wrote:
* I'm curious as to why you feel losing game 1 is preferable to losing any other game in a series?

Because it's nice to finish well.

Vic Sage wrote:
* yes, lets blame the rain. That's always good.

I certainly didn't do that.

Vic Sage
May 25 2012 09:38 AM
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Because it's nice to finish well.


And its nice to start well; and its nice to take 2/3 in any order. i still don't get it.

I certainly didn't do that.


i didn't say you did; i'm suggesting we should. it's consistent with the overall tone of excuse making we're indulging in. Surely if the glass is half full, it can be topped off with rainwater.

Edgy MD
May 25 2012 10:17 AM
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I'm not sure who "we" are.

Really, that chip can be surgically removed from your shoulder. I heard Dr. Boutros has done hundreds of such surgeries. Thousands.

Ceetar
May 25 2012 10:43 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Vic Sage wrote:

* Blaming the negative run differential on Acosta seems like a stretch to me, but i'm open to the possibility. In any event, even if Manny is largely responsible for much of the negative run differential, he is unlikely to be the sole factor. I'd suggest our negative differential is an accurate reflection of this team's overall performance (i'm sure other teams with neg run diff over the years have had 1 or 2 guys you could point a finger at, too), and that it is the lineup's statistically unmaintainable 2-out success rate, giving us a league-leading come-from-behind win rate, that has created the temporary illusion of marginal success.



* Dump Manny? sure, why not.


how is Acosta's performance a temporary illusion of marginal success?

The very idea that he's not going to stick around to continue this is pretty much the exact reason the run differential excuse for why the Mets will suck soon is silly. You're projecting a guy pitching like that the rest of the season instead of either him settling down or being replaced by a guy putting up a completely unknown result. But projecting that result out is inferring the Mets are going to give up another 80 runs, when the truth is you could call up someone that gives up 10.

and yes, He's pretty much solely responsible. I think the deficit is 34 and Acosta has given up 30.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 25 2012 10:53 AM
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He's saying the 2-out runs and comebacks are what's created the temporary marginal success, not Acosta.

The problem with saying Acosta is "responsible" for the run differential is that he's only responsible because he's presumably earned his assignments based on the talent the Mets currently employ. The guys behind him in the pecking order are there on merit themselves so asking more of them than you'd expect of a "good" Acosta is foolish. That said, little lost now to send Acosta down to find his stuff at AAA and let a scrub from there assume janitorial duties. Just don't expect the switch will erase the differential all by itself because it won't.

batmagadanleadoff
May 25 2012 11:04 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Edgy DC wrote:
A coupla thoughts otg:

[list]

[*]A big part of our pythagorean bugbear may be having a mopup pitcher with a 12 ERA rather than a five or six era.[/*:m][/list:u]


This shouldn't be taken lightly. Over the course of the season, even a bad mop-up man will cost the team some wins. One or three of those seven run losses might've been one run wins. But instead, the bad mopper puts the game out of reach and the manager more or less concedes by leaving no stuff badmop in the game because the primary goal has shifted from winning to preserving the unused portion of the bullpen. And then, even more runs are tacked on.

batmagadanleadoff
May 25 2012 11:13 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Vic Sage wrote:
* I'm curious as to why you feel losing game 1 is preferable to losing any other game in a series?


So was I.



Vic Sage wrote:
* Blaming the negative run differential on Acosta seems like a stretch to me, but i'm open to the possibility. In any event, even if Manny is largely responsible for much of the negative run differential, he is unlikely to be the sole factor. I'd suggest our negative differential is an accurate reflection of this team's overall performance (i'm sure other teams with neg run diff over the years have had 1 or 2 guys you could point a finger at, too), and that it is the lineup's statistically unmaintainable 2-out success rate, giving us a league-leading come-from-behind win rate, that has created the temporary illusion of marginal success.


Couldn't agree more. The Mets have been phenomenally lucky with the timing of their hits. Unless you wanna believe the stuff about players being purposely able to play better with men in scoring positions. And I know what your view on that one is.

Edgy MD
May 25 2012 11:18 AM
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Oh, you're absolutely right, and I meant just to offer an observation. A mopup guy who enters a game down 5-1 in the fifth can secure things for a potential comeback or turn the game into a rout. Manny was a key to the Philly sweep, entering each game with the Mets down, pitching stabilizing the game and securing the opportunity for the three comebacks.

More typically, he's entered a game after an early exit by the starter and brought his gasoline and matches. No doubt there was a comeback opportunity or two lost there. Last night, perhaps.

Ceetar
May 25 2012 11:30 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Couldn't agree more. The Mets have been phenomenally lucky with the timing of their hits. Unless you wanna believe the stuff about players being purposely able to play better with men in scoring positions. And I know what your view on that one is.


sample size randomness mostly.

Now clearly you're more likely to have more batters up and more runs to drive in with two outs, but the difference has been stark. But it's just as easy to say the Mets are getting lucky getting those hits with 2 outs as you are saying they're unlucky to not get them with 1 out. 90 RBI to 53. OPS .758 to .644.

Last year it was (1out/2out) 250 to 284 in RBI and .708 to .754 OPS.

the Mets have 53 RBI with a runner on third and 2 outs and 50 RBI with a runner on third and less than 2 outs. (They nearly had twice as many RBI in the <2 out situation last year)

it's really just statistical noise, especially if you buy into the idea that the Mets WILL hit for more power than they have.

Ceetar
May 25 2012 11:30 AM
Re: IGT, 5/24/2011, Homecoming

Edgy DC wrote:
No doubt there was a comeback opportunity or two lost there. Last night, perhaps.


Yes, but not 7, or whatever the differential is now.