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Time to demote Ike

Frayed Knot May 20 2012 06:47 PM

It's not just that he's going bad, it's that it's seven weeks of it now and he looks no closer to coming out of it now than he has all along. The only change I notice is that he went from being in an overly passive mode which resulted in working his way into a lot of 0-2 and 1-2 counts before getting burned on the in-the-dirt breaking ball, to more recently when he's tending towards going after the first pitch but with a swing that suggests he made the decision to go beforehand regardless of the type or location of the pitch thrown and winding up with a weak swing as a result of trying to adjust mid-way through. Maybe they think it'll be a safer move to wait for the return of Bay and/or Tejada, but with Baxter as hot as he is the OF can be covered while Duda/Turner covers 1B. While here he's killing the line-up and the few hits he's getting are more flukey than encouraging. Just today his double was a broken bat bloop and his RBI was merely the result of a poorly turned DP attempt.

Benjamin Grimm May 20 2012 07:03 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Adam Rubin wrote: Terry Collins no longer is dismissing Ike Davis to the minors as a possibility. A day after the Miami Marlins sent 2011 All-Star first baseman Gaby Sanchez to Triple-A, and only days after the Blue Jays demoted their first baseman, Adam Lind, Collins acknowledged Davis needs to pick up his performance during this road trip or that fate could befall him too.

metirish May 20 2012 07:15 PM Re: Time to demote Ike Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 20 2012 07:24 PM

With men on base and him on deck and Terry pulling him back for Hairston my thought was send him down. At the time Cohen mentioned that the only downside to that move was Ike's superior defense ......and as Darling noted Collins is going for it here, I took from that exchange that his glove is not going to keep him on this team.

Frayed Knot May 20 2012 07:22 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Keith even noted the other day that he's looking unusually sloppy on defense. It's only a couple of errors (3 I think) but two of them were at particularly bad times and, while it's hard to condemn him for not picking better times to have his miscues, Keith pointed out him not getting in front of balls the other day and almost begging for more errors and/or bad hops that, while not errors in the scoring, would still get by him anyway. The PH today made perfect sense, particularly with a LHP out there. Hairston had a good AB, just didn't come through. Ike almost certainly would have done the same, only on far fewer pitches and with absolutely no suspense as to the end result.

Fman99 May 20 2012 07:34 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

If he has options, send him down for some polish. If he's a team player, and a realist, he'll take it the right way. It may be an apples/oranges thing to compare him to a pitcher, but once upon a time Steve Traschel took his Mets demotion in stride, came down to the sticks, worked out his kinks and came back a better player. No reason Ike can't do the same.

Ashie62 May 20 2012 07:41 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Let him mash away for a couple of weeks at AA or AAA out of the spotlight. This team has endured the loss of Bay, Tejada, Thole & Pelfrey quite well. This too shall pass..

seawolf17 May 20 2012 07:42 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

He struck out the other night (against Chapman, I think) and just looked helpless. Send him down and let him clear his head a little bit.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2012 09:58 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

My only concern is how far they send him down, since AAA may not be far enough. Wondering how Kingsport are set for first basemen.

Benjamin Grimm May 21 2012 04:16 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

If they send him down (and I think they should) I think it's entirely possible (although not probable) that that will be the last we see of him.

metsguyinmichigan May 21 2012 05:28 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If they send him down (and I think they should) I think it's entirely possible (although not probable) that that will be the last we see of him. How come? Do you think the injury took something out of him? It seems so strange for him to be doing so well then lose it all.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 21 2012 05:46 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Happened to Conor Jackson.

metirish May 21 2012 06:17 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Happened to Conor Jackson. Went down with the Valley Fever too!, has done nothing since then(2009) except get traded .

Ceetar May 21 2012 06:43 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

if they do send him down I bet it only lasts 10 days. I'm pretty sure it won't even be considered until Tejada is back though. It's not just about Ike but who would play first in his absense.

Benjamin Grimm May 21 2012 07:01 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: If they send him down (and I think they should) I think it's entirely possible (although not probable) that that will be the last we see of him. How come? Do you think the injury took something out of him? It seems so strange for him to be doing so well then lose it all. I don't really know the "why", but would we be that surprised if Ike hit, say, .210 in Buffalo? Whatever is causing him to be so awful may not resolve itself. We were concerned that Lucas Duda would be Mike Vail, but maybe we should have been worried about Ike Davis.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 21 2012 08:12 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

He's already demonstrated a capacity to bounce back from a car-crash-of-a-season. (See: Brooklyn, 2008)

metsmarathon May 21 2012 08:50 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

if a demotion is the best way to get ike to bounce back, then it doesn't so much matter what kind of production we get in his spot in the meantime. although, with his current production at a -1.1 fWAR anda -1.3 rWAR, it shouldn't be all that hard to find someone to provide at least that much production.

MFS62 May 21 2012 10:04 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Saturday night Rottino went 3-5 with 3 HR and 5 RBI for Buffalo. Just sayin'. Later

seawolf17 May 21 2012 10:15 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If they send him down (and I think they should) I think it's entirely possible (although not probable) that that will be the last we see of him. In that case, then SEND HIM DOWN. If he's going to fall off the table -- for whatever reason -- then let him work that out in the minors rather than up with the big club.

Lefty Specialist May 21 2012 12:10 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

It'd be pretty hard to get less out of this roster spot than what they've already gotten. I really wonder if it's the Valley Fever that's screwed him up, and he just needs to rest and start back up from scratch when it's out of his system.

Benjamin Grimm May 21 2012 12:25 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

I kind of wonder that too. Is he better off playing every day in Buffalo, or taking it easy for two or three weeks?

Gwreck May 21 2012 12:35 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Ceetar wrote: It's not just about Ike but who would play first in his absense. Duda is the obvious choice. Mets have plenty of outfielders to get playing time for, plus Bay. Moving Duda to first eases that problem.

Edgy MD May 21 2012 01:08 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Yeah, you should never let "Who else could play there?' stop you from replacing your firstbasman. The answer is usually "Anybody." Nonetheless, with Rottino up and Schwinnie down, we may be done arming up and farming out for this series, save for any unexpected health issues.

Nymr83 May 21 2012 01:14 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

They need to have an honest conversation with Ike and act accordingly. If the Valley Fever is having some toll on his body and/or there is an undisclosed injury now is the time to come clean and take as long as you need on the DL, much like Brett Favre playing like shit down the stretch for the Jets you aren't helping anyone by playing through it. If the injury/fever aren't the cause then its time for a good old fashion demotion! He's hitting like garbage and I think a month and a half is enough time in the bigs to try and snap out of it. Go down and come back when you've shown you can at least hit in AAA. In the mean time, you can try Duda at 1B when Bay gets back or Murphy at 1B with Turner getting more time as the starter at 2B.

Edgy MD May 21 2012 01:16 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Well, again, it's not seeming to happen tonight, but he is out of the lineup. Terry reported that he, Wright and Parnell came up sick in Toronto. I don't know if sick means sicker when compounded with hidden valley ranch disease.

Lefty Specialist May 21 2012 01:27 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

On the plus side, his salads and dips have been absolutely delicious.

TheOldMole May 21 2012 02:05 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Michael del Zotto had a very good rookie season, stank up the Garden last year and spent much of the season in the minors, is back this year as one of the stars of the soon-to-be Stanley Cup champions. It can help a player, if he uses the time profitably.

Edgy MD May 21 2012 03:18 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Kevin Burkhard via the Twitter wrote: Terry Collins had LONG discussion with Ike Davis, which just ended before team stretch.

The Second Spitter May 22 2012 07:32 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: My only concern is how far they send him down, since AAA may not be far enough. Wondering how Kingsport are set for first basemen. Single A could work out well if Pedro Feliciano makes a rehab start for the SI Yanqs, he could strike out Ike Davis in the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge Series, point to the sky and jump up and down on the mound.

HahnSolo May 22 2012 07:54 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

TheOldMole wrote: Michael del Zotto had a very good rookie season, stank up the Garden last year and spent much of the season in the minors, is back this year as one of the stars of the soon-to-be Stanley Cup champions. It can help a player, if he uses the time profitably. I don't know about Ike, but you sure jinxed Del Zotto, who had the crappiest of crappy first periods last night.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 22 2012 10:59 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

HahnSolo wrote: TheOldMole wrote: Michael del Zotto had a very good rookie season, stank up the Garden last year and spent much of the season in the minors, is back this year as one of the stars of the soon-to-be Stanley Cup champions. It can help a player, if he uses the time profitably. I don't know about Ike, but you sure jinxed Del Zotto, who had the crappiest of crappy first periods last night. Del Zotto's been better than last year, but REALLY inconsistent during the latter portion of the season, and most of the playoffs. (Unlike Ike, he's been iffy at defending, and generally good at O/facilitation.)

Ashie62 May 22 2012 07:57 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

.156

HahnSolo May 23 2012 07:08 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

If we weren't already there, I think we've gotten to the "what are they waiting for?" point.

Ceetar May 23 2012 07:14 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

HahnSolo wrote: If we weren't already there, I think we've gotten to the "what are they waiting for?" point. I think it's the question about whether demotion is going to fix him or not. It's not as simple as "He's got a headache, give him some advil". Demoting him makes the most sense from a "stop hurting the Mets" standpoint but they also want to get him right not just go away.

metirish May 23 2012 07:19 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Keeping him here though can hurt the team?, no pint benching him, better to get at bats down there.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 23 2012 07:20 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Ceetar wrote: HahnSolo wrote: If we weren't already there, I think we've gotten to the "what are they waiting for?" point. I think it's the question about whether demotion is going to fix him or not. It's not as simple as "He's got a headache, give him some advil". Demoting him makes the most sense from a "stop hurting the Mets" standpoint but they also want to get him right not just go away. No, I don't think it's that either. If he's not going to get fixed with advil, then he's not getting fixed with advil wherever he takes it. I think it's a matter of of them hanging in there as long as they can till the DL guys return.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 23 2012 07:22 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Exactly. If he's going down, he's going down for someone with a major-league track record, not, say, Lutz.

Benjamin Grimm May 23 2012 07:28 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Right. I figure his demotion has become inevitable (unless he goes on a surprising tear in the next few days) but it will take the return of Tejada or Bay (whichever comes first) to trigger that. Who would have thought it would come to this? METS DEMOTE TEAM HR-LEADER IKE TO MAKE ROOM FOR BAY

Frayed Knot May 23 2012 07:33 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Bay, Tejada and Thole are supposed to start rehab assignments soon - like later this week. I'd say that starts the clock a'ticking.

Edgy MD May 23 2012 07:38 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

I really think the ticking is closer to midnight. I feel like there's a 50-50 chance he's gone after today's game.

Ceetar May 23 2012 07:52 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Edgy DC wrote: I really think the ticking is closer to midnight. I feel like there's a 50-50 chance he's gone after today's game. Could see that, Padres can pitch (and theoretically so can the Phillies, although they have league average ERA). Unless they just give him some PH against the Phillies bullpen to wake him up, but he'd face better pitchers in AAA.

The Second Spitter May 23 2012 08:27 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Exactly. If he's going down, he's going down for someone with a major-league track record, not, say, Lutz. Pascucci? Is he still with us?

Benjamin Grimm May 23 2012 08:29 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Is there a way that they can make Keith Hernandez 30 years younger?

Ceetar May 23 2012 08:34 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

The Second Spitter wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Exactly. If he's going down, he's going down for someone with a major-league track record, not, say, Lutz. Pascucci? Is he still with us? yeah, not on the 40man though. Would ultimately need to lose a player to do that. (well, not really, there's a spot on the 40 man but I'm not sure they want to fill it either)

Edgy MD May 23 2012 08:36 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

I could go with a parcel of Pascucci. He could maybe stick around for a bit, too. Man, as noted in the Wright thread, we have a brutal 40 games coming, and it would sure be nice to have the real Ike with us for 3/4 of that, so let him sit out this homestand, spare him the boos, and hopefully ten days in the bushes can help. If it doesn't, well, we have some ballgames to win with or without him.

duan May 23 2012 10:25 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

"so let him sit out this homestand, spare him the boos" I hope he isn't getting boo'ed willy nilly as he hits a lazy fly ball, I mean it isn't as if he's earning 16 million to be a superstar, he's your young homegrown talent who you'd hoped to blossom and should be nurtured even if things aren't going to plan.

bmfc1 May 23 2012 10:32 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Is there a way that they can make Keith Hernandez 30 years younger? Ask Keith about Just For Men.

Edgy MD May 23 2012 10:35 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

I was just checking out some of that WPA stuff, and I could be wrong, but I think the top WPA season for the Mets was Hernandez 1984.

Edgy MD May 23 2012 10:36 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Nope.

Edgy MD May 23 2012 03:43 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Francesa just speculated that it might be the "Jungle Fever."

seawolf17 May 23 2012 07:01 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Edgy DC wrote: Francesa just speculated that it might be the "Jungle Fever." That's the funniest, stupidest thing ever. Honestly, I don't know why anyone listens to this guy.

Ashie62 May 23 2012 08:55 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

A case of Jungle Fever could turn you into this guy..

Edgy MD May 23 2012 09:43 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

To his credit, he corrected himself --- several awkward seconds later. (You can practically hear a director screaming into his headphones.) To his detriment, he didn't have the grace to laugh at how profoundly stupid it came out, all the while pontificating (is there any other word?) about how nobody knows anything about Valley Fever. Wouldn't it be great if it was Jungle Fever?

MFS62 May 23 2012 10:12 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Ashie62 wrote: A case of Jungle Fever could turn you into this guy.. At work tonight, couldn't see the picture, only got the dreaded box with the red X inside. Thought it might be a picture of Wesley Snipes. Now that I'm home and see the picture, that doesn't look anything like Wesley Snipes. Later

Frayed Knot May 24 2012 05:40 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

A case of Jungle Fever could turn you into this guy.. Ummm, is it supposed to be obvious who that guy is? ... all the while pontificating about how nobody knows anything about Valley Fever. Translation: I don't know anything about Valley Fever therefore nobody knows anything about Valley Fever

Benjamin Grimm May 24 2012 06:35 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Frayed Knot wrote: Ummm, is it supposed to be obvious who that guy is? I don't know who it is either. My best guess: Jerry Springer.

Edgy MD May 24 2012 07:15 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Ashie was discussing earlier how Clint Hurdle is older looking than he expected. Is it Clint Hurdle?

Ashie62 May 24 2012 10:38 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Steve Miller..the writer of "Jungle Fever"

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 24 2012 10:38 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

uh

Ashie62 May 24 2012 10:45 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Jungle Love. I am an idiot..Sorry...

metirish May 26 2012 01:29 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Ike - last five at bats - three hits , two doubles , five rib eye steaks....

themetfairy May 26 2012 01:33 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

He's not dead yet!

Rockin' Doc May 26 2012 01:53 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Hopefully, he is starting to turn it around. I guess we'll know whether that is the case or not, by the end of this homestand.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 04 2012 09:47 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

NL first basemen, min. 125 PA's* *Posting in this thread does not necessarily constitute my vote for Ike's demotion

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 04 2012 09:50 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Vote of Confidence + 2 weeks and he's just as bad as before it. 200 PAs enough?

batmagadanleadoff Jun 04 2012 09:52 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

I dunno, but just ponder Ike's slash numbers for a few moments: .164/.227/.281

Edgy MD Jun 04 2012 10:06 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Jason Bay, as before, is perhaps his hobgoblin. If Ike sees Bay's jersey hanging in a locker, it's probably not a comfortable feeling. With a little hitting from Torres too, it gives the Mets some cushion to staff first with Duda and Rottino.

Ceetar Jun 05 2012 06:17 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Edgy DC wrote: Jason Bay, as before, is perhaps his hobgoblin. If Ike sees Bay's jersey hanging in a locker, it's probably not a comfortable feeling. With a little hitting from Torres too, it gives the Mets some cushion to staff first with Duda and Rottino. Which might been Ike only has through the TB series before his next check in. (I think Terry mentioned using Bay mostly at DH at first.) 9 games. Give me 4 XBH, 4 singles, and 4 walks and you can stay. Figure he gets about ~36 AB, so that's ~ a .333 OBP and a .250 average.

Lefty Specialist Jun 05 2012 08:56 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

A .508 OPS. I didn't think that was possible. For comparison, Rey Ordonez' career OPS was .600.

TransMonk Jun 05 2012 09:12 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

I give him a couple of weeks in the minors to work on his plate approach without the stresses of the MLB in NYC. At this rate, he's not helping anyone and he has been given ample time to snap out of it.

metirish Jun 06 2012 11:32 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Please Mr. Alderson end this now! seriously, I think Terry and the FO said again the other day that Ike is not going down and needs to fix himself here. Keith Hernandez thinks this is great, but how the fuck can they allow a guy to go 0-4 nightly, the fact that they have said several times he in NOT going down leaves them in a vulnerable situation I think. Are they flip floppers if they send him down?, should Ike approach them and asked to be sent down as advocated by Boomer and Carton this morning?

Benjamin Grimm Jun 06 2012 11:37 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

If the Mets want to continue to hang in this pennant race, they need to act like they're serious about winning. And teams that are serious about winning aren't content with a first baseman who hits .160. If they were ten games below .500 right now, I'd be more willing to be patient with Ike. But if it were up to me, I'd send him down now (or at most, in the next fifteen minutes) and move Duda to first. And I'd let Hairston play every day, at least for the time being.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 06 2012 11:44 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Ike's latest comments on the get-sent-down situation were a reiteration of his "I need to fix this up here" philosophy. But look, Terry removed the pressure from him for a few weeks and it's still no better.

Edgy MD Jun 06 2012 11:45 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

And credit to Sandy and Terry and everybody but now we're at another place and it's as good a time as any for a re-evaluation. And with Bay hitting the ballpark today, I'd be surprised if they weren't having a very serious conversation right now.

Ceetar Jun 06 2012 11:48 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

metirish wrote: . Are they flip floppers if they send him down?, should Ike approach them and asked to be sent down as advocated by Boomer and Carton this morning? They'd absolutely kill him for that later on for having no 'competitive fire' or whatever. And I get that I guess. I don't see Ike, or really any professional athlete that hasn't hit absolutely rock bottom (and maybe he has), ever thinking "I should go away and work on some things" over "I've been putting my work in, TODAY is the day I break out." They're not flip-floppers though, if they do. No decisions are ever final. If you let him last through the little league park in the Bronx and he still looks bad, give him 2 weeks in Buffalo and recall him for the Wrigley Field series. My impression the last couple of days weren't so much that he was missing things, but more that he was guessing wrong and taking at the wrong times. Gary or Keith or someone has mentioned this. He'll take that easy to hit pitch early, and he keeps getting in these 0-2 counts where the pitchers are that much harder. sometimes he fights back to 2-2 but usually thats because the pitcher missed, and he's going to miss outside because it's a pitcher's count. So he's got three tries to make the perfect pitch and usually either Ike swings at the pitch that drops out of the zone, or it nicks the corner and he's out looking.

Gwreck Jun 06 2012 11:58 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Let's all hope the Mets don't take any cues from what hosts on WFAN think. I don't want Ike to "ask" to be sent down. It's abundantly clear that doing so is best for the team, so that's what they should do. Ike has a contract and he'll play where the Mets tell him to.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 06 2012 12:01 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

And more and more, I'm thinking that if he goes down, he may never come back. I hate to say it, but there's a real possibility that he's washed up.

metirish Jun 06 2012 12:02 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Gwreck wrote: Let's all hope the Mets don't take any cues from what hosts on WFAN think. I don't want Ike to "ask" to be sent down. It's abundantly clear that doing so is best for the team, so that's what they should do. Ike has a contract and he'll play where the Mets tell him to. Ha!, I didn't want people to think it was my idea so I gave them due credit......and in there thinking Ike doing that would forever ingratiate himself with the fans.

bmfc1 Jun 06 2012 12:05 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Ceetar wrote: My impression the last couple of days weren't so much that he was missing things, but more that he was guessing wrong and taking at the wrong times. Gary or Keith or someone has mentioned this. He'll take that easy to hit pitch early, and he keeps getting in these 0-2 counts where the pitchers are that much harder. sometimes he fights back to 2-2 but usually thats because the pitcher missed, and he's going to miss outside because it's a pitcher's count. So he's got three tries to make the perfect pitch and usually either Ike swings at the pitch that drops out of the zone, or it nicks the corner and he's out looking. This continued to happen last night. The first pitch to him every at bat was a fastball and I don't that think he swung at any of them. He can't adjust to the off-speed pitches so he has to attack the fastballs, even if it's the first pitch he sees.

Frayed Knot Jun 06 2012 01:36 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

In addition to the other demotions over the last few weeks for guys that were in similar situations to Ike (Gaby Sanchez, etc.) the BoSox sent down Daniel Bard yesterday (the same day his little bro got drafted). He was last year's 100 mph-throwing set-up man, briefly a closer, then turned into a starter, and now is in Pawtucket as a project.

Edgy MD Jun 06 2012 01:52 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

So who do I gotta sleep with to be a project?

Ceetar Jun 06 2012 02:05 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Edgy DC wrote: So who do I gotta sleep with to be a project? grab your glove. we'll have a CPF baseball game and tweet at all the scouts to come watch.

Vic Sage Jun 06 2012 02:10 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Benjamin Grimm wrote: And more and more, I'm thinking that if he goes down, he may never come back. I hate to say it, but there's a real possibility that he's washed up. But why? Was the injury was that profound, or valley fever is that significant? Or was he was just a flash in the pan to begin with? I don't buy any of that.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 06 2012 02:21 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Vic Sage wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: And more and more, I'm thinking that if he goes down, he may never come back. I hate to say it, but there's a real possibility that he's washed up. But why? Was the injury was that profound, or valley fever is that significant? Or was he was just a flash in the pan to begin with? I don't buy any of that. I don't claim to know what's wrong with Ike, but I've been floating at least the idea that Ike might be permanently diminished. If you'll recall, there was some credible talk last year that his foot injury was a career threatener.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 06 2012 02:24 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Yeah, I have no idea either. But with such prolonged suckage, I don't think we can still assume that he'll eventually snap out of it. Maybe he will; I sure HOPE that he will. But maybe he won't.

metirish Jun 06 2012 07:00 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Two bases on balls and a nice hit the other way into the gap for a double.

Ceetar Jun 06 2012 08:22 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

metirish wrote: Two bases on balls and a nice hit the other way into the gap for a double. the hit was real nice, the soft roller to second, not so much. Good to see him walk, but they were wild walks, not quite the 'fight off good pitches, avoid bad ones' walk.

Nymr83 Jun 06 2012 09:07 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

Well at least we know he still has the skill/eye not to swing at that garbage, because there are plenty of major leaguers who would never have the discipline to take what the pitxher gives them and draw two walks in a game even if the pitcher is a bit wild. It took almost two months to convince me it was time to send him down so one game won't convince me he is back. I'd still send him down tonight, but if they don't I hope he can string more of these performances together and prove he should stay.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 19 2012 08:44 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

So far in June, Ike is hitting .280 and slugging .460.

TransMonk Jun 19 2012 08:52 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

That's more Ike-like. I really hope he is pulling it together. Keep it up, Davis.

Nymr83 Jun 19 2012 09:40 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

It would be great if we never had to discuss a possible Ike-demotion again, but he's not out of the woods yet and needs to keep up his play of the last 2 weeks

Centerfield Jun 19 2012 09:54 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

He's raised his OPS 100 points in about a week. That's both good and bad.

Frayed Knot Jun 19 2012 10:08 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Benjamin Grimm wrote: So far in June, Ike is hitting .280 and slugging .460. And OBA-ing at .429 - meaning, of course, that he's taking his walks too. That makes his 'Walk Rate' (OBA - BA) this season on a per/month basis at: April - .056 May - .060 June - .149 And while there's always a lot of S^3 (small sample size) involved in any month-long stats, that he went from slightly below norm (current NL avg at .066) over the first two months to well above so far in June is a good sign also. IsoP (Isolated Power) stats increasing over time too although less dramatically. April - .124 May - .128 June - .160 .146 is current NL avg He's now also matched his HR total from last year ... unfortunately, he achieved that by May 10 last season.

Edgy MD Jun 19 2012 10:24 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

And ours is no longer the least productive first base team in the league. Or even in the division! RK Team AVG OBP SLG OPS 1 Cincinnati Reds .361 .486 .657 1.143 2 Chicago White Sox .308 .403 .584 .987 3 Washington Nationals .280 .363 .564 .927 4 Arizona Diamondbacks .302 .380 .527 .906 5 St. Louis Cardinals .298 .378 .524 .902 6 Detroit Tigers .316 .393 .506 .899 7 Chicago Cubs .280 .348 .473 .821 8 New York Yankees .262 .338 .472 .810 9 Texas Rangers .261 .327 .473 .800 10 San Francisco Giants .263 .362 .425 .787 11 Houston Astros .291 .345 .440 .785 12 Boston Red Sox .267 .332 .450 .783 13 Baltimore Orioles .273 .330 .446 .776 14 Los Angeles Angels .257 .320 .449 .769 15 Colorado Rockies .234 .332 .410 .742 16 Philadelphia Phillies .260 .320 .419 .739 17 Oakland Athletics .212 .328 .398 .727 18 Toronto Blue Jays .231 .298 .424 .721 19 Milwaukee Brewers .243 .297 .421 .718 20 Tampa Bay Rays .197 .349 .343 .693 21 Los Angeles Dodgers .258 .318 .363 .681 22 San Diego Padres .250 .323 .352 .674 23 Kansas City Royals .221 .294 .372 .666 24 Pittsburgh Pirates .239 .298 .361 .659 25 Atlanta Braves .223 .279 .373 .652 26 Seattle Mariners .226 .285 .365 .649 27 Minnesota Twins .202 .285 .342 .626 28 Cleveland Indians .216 .281 .343 .624 29 New York Mets .204 .288 .335 .623 30 Miami Marlins .192 .251 .286 .537 Slot 27 is only three points away!

Frayed Knot Jun 19 2012 11:20 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Cardinals lose Pujols (and Berkman for that matter!) and are 5th. Angels gain Pujols and sit in the 14th spot. Yaneverknow!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 19 2012 11:31 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Y'know, Suzyn, you just can't predict baseball. You can't!

Mets – Willets Point Jun 19 2012 11:37 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Trade him now while his value his high (because the GMs on other teams only look at the most recent week's production).

seawolf17 Jun 19 2012 11:58 AM Re: Time to demote Ike

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Trade him now while his value his high (because the GMs on other teams only look at the most recent week's production). YES! Good plan. We'll take Mike Trout, Mark Trumbo, Jered Weaver, and the Frieri kid who's striking everyone out. We'll throw in Jason Bay.

Ceetar Jun 19 2012 12:01 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

seawolf17 wrote: Mets – Willets Point wrote: Trade him now while his value his high (because the GMs on other teams only look at the most recent week's production). YES! Good plan. We'll take Mike Trout, Mark Trumbo, Jered Weaver, and the Frieri kid who's striking everyone out. We'll throw in Jason Bay. Hell they can have Daniel Murphy and Jon Rauch for that too.

Nymr83 Jun 19 2012 12:35 PM Re: Time to demote Ike

That chart shows you how underrated Paul Konerko is compared to an overrated clown with much worse stast like, say, Mark Texiera.