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Duckie

... gay

4 votes

... not gay

5 votes

Edgy MD May 25 2012 11:35 AM

Molly Ringwald, in plugging some other shit, says that reason the original ending to Pretty in Pink failed with test audiences is because Duckie was gay, and if the character continued beyond that movie, he'd long be out by now. Jon Cryer says no huh-way. John Hughes is dead at the present time.

Ashie62 May 25 2012 11:46 AM Re: Duckie

Duckie totally loved her and I don't believe in a sisterly way. The anger and desire to protect Molly against Spader further convinces me at of that. Beyond that I never really thought of this.

Benjamin Grimm May 25 2012 11:47 AM Re: Duckie

I'd have to rewatch the movie in order to form an opinion on this. And I think that before I do such a thing, I'd rather eat a bowl of glass.

Ashie62 May 25 2012 11:50 AM Re: Duckie

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'd have to rewatch the movie in order to form an opinion on this. And I think that before I do such a thing, I'd rather eat a bowl of glass. It does have Harry Dean Stanton.

Edgy MD May 25 2012 11:58 AM Re: Duckie

No movie with a Harry Dean appearance is all bad.

Ceetar May 25 2012 12:02 PM Re: Duckie

I don't think I've seen this one.

metirish May 25 2012 12:16 PM Re: Duckie

Well, he sure looked like a gay ..... you know, I never made the connection before that it's Jon Cryer.......not that I ever really thought about it or watch his current show but this is news to me.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 25 2012 02:17 PM Re: Duckie

I need to watch it again myself but I can see where Molly's coming from. Ducky's one of those guys who will probably figure things out in college. They can totally like girls in high school.

Edgy MD May 25 2012 02:34 PM Re: Duckie

That's legit. Part of what's going on there is that Cryer overplayed it. And he was kinda a dicky Duckie --- some might even say bitchy. But gays don't own the market on flamboyance. It was 1986. A lot of maladroits presented as sexually nebulous. Some were queer. Some just couldn't relate --- to anybod. And so used an outsized misanthropic persona as a shield for their vulnerability. They subverted social categories, and sexual ones, without necessarily wanting manfleshlove. He was very much of his time. I think Cryer and Ringwald are both bringing baggage to the issue. Cryer, more than anybody, knows what direction he got from Hughes, but he also has had to live with the failed original ending these last 26 years, the reality that he couldn't sell himself as an authentic heterosexual romantic winner, and the career disappointment that has stemmed from that. Ringworm, on the other hand, got to be a big star, but only briefly, and has a stake in living in and owning that past, but has seemingly confused the movie with her life. So I'm still leaving the question open. I voted "not gay," because I have a Duckyish friend named R**, fervent admirer of women, but still completely unable to approach them without tons of goofy bullshit to cover his terror. I've seen him plastered on more than one occasion but never eyeing the sweaty men on the dancefloor. I could change (and left this poll open to change), but that's where I'm at.

Edgy MD May 25 2012 02:37 PM Re: Duckie

Besides, consider Molly/Andy's position thus: "I love Jon Cryer, but he's clearly gay, so I'm going to give my heart to Andrew McCarthy." You trust that logic?

Ashie62 May 25 2012 08:04 PM Re: Duckie

I'm almost embarrassed to say I've seen this flick about 18 times. Cryer's character was just too too young for her. Yes, he is the the guy who will eventually figure it out. maybe they meet again in 10 years...happened to me after 32 years with my current..really!

A Boy Named Seo May 26 2012 01:43 AM Re: Duckie

Not gay at all. Just the Duckie/Andie relationship wasn't in any way believable. Despite Andie being 'one of the poors', she really was top-tier in every way... sexy, redheaded, those sultry lips, homemade (funky & unique!) fashion sense, and a magnetic kind of weird... no wonder Blaine crossed over. And top-tier doesn't lay with the Duckies of the world ever, really, let alone at John Hughes High in 1986. Poor Duckie was just young, goofy, insecure as hell, and crushing harder than anything. Wanna make a girl not like you? Do every thing exactly that Duckie did. He was no more gay than Anthony Michael Hall in '16 Candles'. Like AMH's character in '16', Duckie was a dork who got close enough to 'sniff the panties', but handsome Jake whatshisnamewiththePorsche was the one closing the deals, just like Blaine the Appliance bro (metaphor for a peen? Probably). Blaine, though, was almost likable (thanks in part to Spader's character). He was the richie with a heart. Everything a sort of unpopular, lower-middle class high school girl could want. #dont_h8 #freeduckie #dontaskdonttell #hughes4lyfe

Edgy MD May 26 2012 10:03 AM Re: Duckie

It's hard to support Molly's position since seeing the John Hughes tribute and realizing that Molly isn't Molly at all but some sort of pod person alien representation of Molly Ringwald.

Frayed Knot May 26 2012 11:58 AM Re: Duckie

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Not gay at all. Just the Duckie/Andie relationship wasn't in any way believable. I dunno, Duckie & Andie have obviously been friends for a number of years. She, now, is getting older and starting to look around because, while the Ducks of the world might be OK when you're 14, 17 is a different world and she certainly doesn't look at him in That way. Duckie, on the other hand, is, as you put it, still "young, goofy, insecure as hell, and crushing hard". Maybe he doesn't really love her like he thinks he does and he may very well want a different girl some day, but right now the only one who even acknowledges him and puts up with his quirks is his red-haired buddy. He can't bear losing her and being left by the side of the road on account of her burgeoning maturity and certainly doesn't want it to happen to one of those richy-riches from across the tracks. and I can't believe I'm analyzing this movie

Rockin' Doc May 26 2012 01:48 PM Re: Duckie

I think Frayed Knot pretty well nailed it with his analysis.

Fman99 May 27 2012 07:50 PM Re: Duckie

He's not gay. He went to college and smoked a thousand pounds of teen ass, trust me. At one point my freshman year I was told by a girlfriend of a friend of mine that I reminded her of "Ducky" and she called me that long afterwards. And I did just fine for myself, have no worry.

Edgy MD Jun 08 2012 11:01 AM Re: Duckie

Watched this last night. Spader is something of a revelation. He's a half-stoned bullying princelet, but he's so fatigued (probably with his own bullshit) that he has this goofy way of walking around with his clothes hanging off him that makes him look like a defeated middle-aged lower-middle-class shnook --- like Harry Dean's character, in fact.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 08 2012 02:49 PM Re: Duckie

Edgy DC wrote: Watched this last night. Spader is something of a revelation. He's a half-stoned bullying princelet, but he's so fatigued (probably with his own bullshit) that he has this goofy way of walking around with his clothes hanging off him that makes him look like a defeated middle-aged lower-middle-class shnook --- like Harry Dean's character, in fact. Mmhmm. I think this is the movie that made me fall in Duckie-love with James Spader.