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Beckett and Lowell to Boston (And Other Deals '05-'06)

Valadius
Nov 21 2005 07:50 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 21 2005 10:28 PM

Pending a physical, it looks like Mike Lowell and Josh Beckett are headed to the Red Sox for Hanley Ramirez and two other prospects.

Elster88
Nov 21 2005 07:54 PM

Hanley?

Valadius
Nov 21 2005 07:59 PM

Hanley Ramirez is one of Boston's premier prospects. He's a shortstop with power and speed. I saw him play in AA - he hit a homer that day. I believe he's Manny's cousin.

OlerudOwned
Nov 21 2005 08:18 PM

GETS:
SP Josh Beckett (15-8, 3.38 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, 2.86 K/BB)
3B Mike Lowell (.236, 8 HR, 58 RBI, .298 OPB)

GETS:
SS Hanley Ramirez (.271, 7 HR, 52 RBI, .335 OPB, .385 SLG @ AAA Portland)
SP Anibal Sanchez (6-1, 2.40 ERA, 3.96 K/BB, 1.02 WHIP @ AA Wilmington /3-5, 3.45 ERA @ AAA Portland)
Yet Unnamed Minor League Pitcher

Terms:
-Depended on all players passing phyiscals
-Florida to include some amout of cash, but Boston will pay most of Lowell's salary (18 Mill. over next 2 years)

Nymr83
Nov 21 2005 09:13 PM

good deal for the Red Sox to get Beckett into their rotation and maybe Lowell will show he's got something left.
does this affect the Marlins attempts to trade Delgado, Castillo, etc.?

TheOldMole
Nov 21 2005 09:13 PM

Are they sending Sergeant Saunders too?

OlerudOwned
Nov 21 2005 09:15 PM

Nymr83 wrote:

does this affect the Marlins attempts to trade Delgado, Castillo, etc.?
Doubt it. They may as well start running those cheesy 'Everything must go' car commercials about the team. They just want to tear it down, and build it back up around D-Train and Cabrera (at 3rd. I read that they would've spun Blalock off if they dealt with Texas).

smg58
Nov 21 2005 09:44 PM

The league has to be careful. If they allow Loria to dismantle two different franchises, that will look really bad. It's one thing to keep payroll in order, but it's in MLB's best interests to let Loria know, in no uncertain terms, when to stop.

Hanley hasn't yet hit to his hype (A big deal .720 OPS in AA), so perhaps the Red Sox know something. Lowell sucked spectacularly last year, but I don't see why he couldn't rebound. The Red Sox seem determined not to make room in the starting line-up for Kevin Youkilis and I'm not sure why. Beckett made the Yankees look bad in 03. That had to factor into Boston's thinking. Robert Andino was supposed to step in for Alex Gonzalez at short for the Marlins, but his future suddenly looks a lot less certain. At any rate I'm not sure either he or Ramirez is ready to start 06 in the majors. And the Red Sox talked the Marlins into taking their second best pitching prospect instead of their first. (Omar, are you taking notes???)

Mets fans have a reason to be happy. And Yankee fans have a reason to be pissed off. I guess I shouldn't be too critical.

Valadius
Nov 21 2005 09:54 PM

Hanley's glovework isn't wonderful, though he's got a cannon of an arm.

Edgy DC
Nov 21 2005 10:01 PM

Can we make this the off-season deals thread?

Valadius
Nov 21 2005 10:26 PM

Sure, why not?

metirish
Nov 21 2005 10:31 PM

]The league has to be careful. If they allow Loria to dismantle two different franchises, that will look really bad. It's one thing to keep payroll in order, but it's in MLB's best interests to let Loria know, in no uncertain terms, when to stop.



Loria from what I read no longer controls the team,he lost control to his ex's son.



]Can we make this the off-season deals thread?


I thought we had one?

Edgy DC
Nov 21 2005 10:57 PM

I think we have an off-season signings thread.

Frayed Knot
Nov 21 2005 11:20 PM

This'll be a biggie -- wonder if Georgie boy will get all flustered.

Hanley Ramirez is a Reyes-ish SS prospect - although with a bit more pop and prolly not as good a glove. There was already talk about moving him to CF although part of that was based on being blocked by Renterea. He's also been an occasional discipline problem.
P.S. Portland is AA and Wilmington high-A ball, not AAA & AA.



Looks like the Fish are in full sellers mode -- although i don't know to what end. Is making them cheaper supposed to make getting a stadium deal any easier? I don't think Loria interested in selling, he seems to like being an owner.
Unless MLB has already decided that stadium hassles have soured them on South Florida enough so that they'll look to entice Las Vegas into building them an expensive crib.

Edgy DC
Nov 21 2005 11:22 PM

Vegas gets pumped up a lot, but, as gambling-averse as MLB is, I don't see them being the first major league to allow a franchise in Las Vegas.

Frayed Knot
Nov 21 2005 11:26 PM

Just using them as an example; no other city is being mentioned as often.
Another fire sale by the Marlins and they'll have so little credibility left in that town that I don't know how they'll ever drag folks back in even if they did get a nice new stadium ... and this certainly can't help convince the state legislature to fork over more money can it?



Looks like Beckett is 2 years from FA-gency so he'll be a BoSock for '06 & '07 at least.

Elster88
Nov 22 2005 08:40 AM

I don't get it. Why not build the team around Cabrera, Willis, AND Beckett? And some people thought the Met ownership was tough to deal with.

sharpie
Nov 22 2005 08:43 AM

I think Beckett is one year away from free agency and is arb-eligible.

seawolf17
Nov 22 2005 09:04 AM

And Beckett was the bait to get someone to take on Lowell's contract. Lowell was awful last year, and he's got two years left at (I think) nine million per. That's a lot for a guy who's scuffling. If Lowell returns to his old self, and Beckett can keep his fingers healthy, then this is a solid deal for the Sox.

Edgy DC
Nov 22 2005 09:14 AM

Which is some biggy Iffies.

It's a lot like the Hampton/Bell deal was for us. Except they seem to be taking on a bigger burden in Lowell, and Beckett's never had a season like the one Hampton had had with Houston, but they seem to have given up pretty much as much in young talent.

How many Met fans will get in Delgado's face now with, "So, what are your chances of winning a pennant now, big shot?" Poor rich dude.

Rotblatt
Nov 22 2005 09:44 AM

I think this is a solid move by Boston. It dramatically helps their rotation in 2006 and Beckett is only 26--he could become a fixture for years. This is the same concept as the Kazmir Zambrano trade, except, of course, Beckett is lightyears better than Zambrano and a whole lot younger.

So was this driven by Lucchino? Was it his desire to trade the farm for "proven" veterans that led to Theo's departure? I'm sure speculation is rampant in Beantown.

OlerudOwned
Nov 22 2005 09:52 AM

metirish wrote:
]Can we make this the off-season deals thread?


I thought we had one?
There was a thread about the Pads-Nats trade that was never officially an "All-Purpose" one.

="Frayed Knot]P.S. Portland is AA and Wilmington high-A ball, not AAA & AA.


Damn, I forgot about Pawtucket. My bad

Rotblatt
Nov 22 2005 02:04 PM

So their rotation is (assuming Wells gets traded):

Beckett (119 ERA+)
Schilling (77 ERA+)
Clement (96 ERA+)
Wakefield (106 ERA+)
Arroyo/Papelbon (98 ERA+/166 ERA+)

If Schilling's ankle is fully healed, then I'd expect him to be at least average. I'd think that Clement, Wake, Arroyo & Papelbon could all be average pitchers as well, with Papelbon having the most potential of anyone in that group.

That's not a bad rotation. Should be much better than the Yankees.

Elster88
Nov 22 2005 02:42 PM

The Sports Guy provides his usual amusing [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/051122]take[/url].

metirish
Nov 25 2005 09:40 AM

So Boston also get Guillermo Moto from Florida, this deal is turning out great for them..

]Trade with the Marlins lands Beckett, Lowell -- and Mota
By Chris Snow and Gordon Edes, Globe Staff | November 25, 2005

A day to give thanks, indeed. The Red Sox, who two Thanksgivings ago hooked Curt Schilling over dinner at the Schilling home in Arizona, yesterday formally reeled in not only ace Josh Beckett and third baseman Mike Lowell but a third Marlin, hard-throwing reliever Guillermo Mota, in a momentous deal expanded to seven players and announced by the club at approximately 10:30 last night.

Last night marked the expiration of a 72-hour window afforded the Sox and Marlins to pore over medical records and work out unresolved components of the deal. And, after debating Beckett's future health -- he's made nine visits to the disabled list in his four-plus big league seasons -- the club enhanced the deal by questioning Beckett's health and exploiting what is becoming a mass unloading of payroll, and consequently, talent in South Florida.

The Sox, according to a major league source with direct knowledge of the negotiations, threatened to call off the deal because of health concerns over Beckett unless the Marlins included Mota. And so, on the busiest shopping day of the year, the Sox can sit back today pleased with not only a full cart of goods but what appears to be at bargain prices.

In adding the 32-year-old Mota to the deal, the Sox had to sweeten the deal only with Harvey Garcia, a 21-year-old righthander who in 32 games with Single A Greenville last season went 3-5 with a 2.01 ERA in 44 2/3 innings. Beckett, the 2003 World Series MVP who blanked the Yankees for nine innings in a clinching Game 6, said last night he'd ''heard some rumors that" Mota could be included in the deal.

And so, the deal, after this major permutation, reads like this: Beckett (the new ace of the Sox staff), Lowell (the new starting third baseman, and a Gold Glove winner in 2005), and Mota (one of baseball's premier setup men in 2003 and '04) for Double A shortstop Hanley Ramírez, Double A righthander Anibal Sanchez, and Single A righthanders Jesus Delgado and Garcia.

Because of the late hour of the announcement, the Sox expected to release more information today, and expect to have the players available via conference call.

''I can't comment on it right now," Beckett said last night, when reached just after the deal was announced, but before he'd spoken to officials with either club. ''I need to hear it from the cow's mouth -- that's how we say it in Texas."

Indeed, the Sox now have an imposing righthanded Texan at the top of their rotation, and the last time that happened, it worked out fairly well. The 25-year-old Beckett, while unsigned, is arbitration eligible and under the Sox' contractual control for the next two seasons. He made $2.4 million in 2005 and is likely to double that in arbitration, though the club could sign him to a long-term deal, guaranteeing he'll anchor the rotation for years to come. However, they'd probably have to be convinced he's not a significant health risk.

Six of Beckett's nine DL visits have been for blisters on the middle finger on his pitching hand. And though it didn't necessitate a DL stint, shoulder tendinitis ailed him over the closing six weeks last season, when he felt unable to get completely loose until he was about 20 pitches into an inning. Beckett skipped his last start because of tendinitis and because Florida was out of playoff contention.

But, even with tendinitis, he'd maintained his velocity, working at up to 97 miles per hour late in the season, and going 3-0 with a 2.25 ERA over his final five starts. He shut out the Braves for seven innings in his last start of the season. Two MRIs and doctor visits this fall reaffirmed the tendinitis diagnosis.

Mota pitched only 67 innings last season, missing a month (April 24 to May 27) with inflammation in his elbow. Previous to that DL visit he'd gone 0-1 with two saves in two opportunities with a 1.86 ERA in 10 games. But, after coming off the DL, he was 2-1 with a 5.18 ERA in 46 games, with no saves in two chances. He struggled through a woeful September, allowing seven runs and 12 hits in 7 2/3 innings.

But, in 2003 and '04, he was arguably the game's best setup man. He led National League relievers in innings both seasons, pitching 201 2/3 innings total over those two seasons with a combined ERA of 2.50. He set up Eric Gagne with the Dodgers in 2003 and half of '04 before being dealt just before the deadline that summer to Florida along with Paul LoDuca and Juan Encarnacion for pitchers Brad Penny and Bill Murphy and first baseman Hee Seop Choi.

Mota, 22-24 with a 3.61 career ERA and .231 opponent batting average in 464 1/3 career innings, earned $2.6 million last season and, like Beckett, is unsigned and arbitration eligible. Mota, in 2005, held righthanders to one homer and a .262 average in 145 at-bats. Lefthanders hit four homers off him in 111 at-bats, hitting .243.

© Copyright 2005 Globe Newspaper Company.

smg58
Nov 25 2005 10:10 AM

Which only serves to reinforce the idea that Minaya could have protected Petit if he wanted to. It also reinforces the idea that the Marlins don't care what they get in return as long as they save money. So how long before the league buys out the Marlins and gives Loria another team to own, while continuing to say every spring that the Nationals sale will be resolved by the All-Star break?

Edgy DC
Nov 25 2005 10:38 AM

I wouldn't re-frame the Delgado deal over this.

rpackrat
Nov 25 2005 02:25 PM

]Which only serves to reinforce the idea that Minaya could have protected Petit if he wanted to. It also reinforces the idea that the Marlins don't care what they get in return as long as they save money.


It does neither. We traded for an established slugger coming off an MVP caliber season. The Sox traded for a promising but oft-injured pitcher and a highly paid third baseman coming off an absolutely miserable season. These trades are apples and oranges.

Elster88
Nov 30 2005 10:42 AM