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Minoso, O'Neil On Special HOF Ballot
MFS62 Nov 22 2005 12:31 PM |
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AoMF8CmJXbl5k4ArQj0ACmERvLYF?slug=ap-halloffame-negroleagues&prov=ap&type=lgns
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metirish Nov 22 2005 12:34 PM |
No Pete Rose ?
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SwitchHitter Nov 22 2005 12:43 PM |
Cum Posey. What an ... unusual name.
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Edgy DC Nov 22 2005 12:45 PM |
Mule Suttles is listed as "Miles."
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MFS62 Nov 22 2005 12:50 PM |
Speaking of Pete:
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Elster88 Nov 22 2005 12:51 PM |
62 cracks the 5,000 post barrier.
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Frayed Knot Nov 22 2005 01:09 PM |
I don't see the point in having a special vote just to vote on the guys who you've already voted down.
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MFS62 Nov 22 2005 01:19 PM |
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Didn't notice. Thanks for the recognition. I have to thank the other posters on the board who have stimulated me to share my thoughts (and bad one liners), Later
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Edgy DC Nov 22 2005 01:21 PM |
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Well the process should be the same year after year, I agree, because by tweaking it, you're manipulating it to pre-determine the outcome. But I have no problems with reviewing old candidacies from time to time. Forever, as Prince would remind us, is a long, long time.
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Frayed Knot Nov 22 2005 01:36 PM |
Of course they already have a Vet's committee to review the past.
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Edgy DC Nov 22 2005 01:49 PM |
Then it sounds like we're agreed. O'Neil is a long time member of the Vet's Committee, isn't he? The VC was expanded in recent years to include all living HoF members, but O'Neil isn't a member. That suggests to me that he'll become one.
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Willets Point Nov 22 2005 01:52 PM |
I think O'Neil should get a special Emmy for his performance.
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Nymr83 Nov 22 2005 02:02 PM |
the only thing this reeks of to me is another attempt to put of those "poor oppressed negro leaguers" into the hall of fame.
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Edgy DC Nov 22 2005 02:09 PM |
Yeah, that's where I break with you.
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TheOldMole Nov 22 2005 02:47 PM |
These two will both do the HOF proud.
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TheOldMole Nov 22 2005 02:48 PM |
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Except for Gil Hodges.
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Valadius Nov 22 2005 02:56 PM |
Gil Hodges, who remains the only person (except Bruce Sutter, who should get in this year or next) to garner at least 60% of the vote and not eventually get into the Hall.
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seawolf17 Nov 22 2005 02:58 PM |
Nah, voters like anguish. And besides, if they vote Gil Hodges in, then who will the old-timers rally around?
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Valadius Nov 22 2005 03:01 PM |
Ron Santo, Roger Maris, Joe Torre, Maury Wills, Johnny Pesky, or Joe Gordon, perhaps?
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seawolf17 Nov 22 2005 03:04 PM |
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Maybe, no, someday, no, no, and no.
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Frayed Knot Nov 22 2005 04:23 PM |
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And then all the talk would be about those who were the only 50%+ yet not in guys, and then 40%+, ... Point is, there's always going to be someone who has the most votes yet is short of induction. Wherever the line is it should be adhered to or the honor becomes meaningless. The reaction to the election of the Phil Rizzuttos of the world should be not to let it happen again, rather than to also let in all the other Rizzutto level players in some sort of attempt to 'make things fair'. And if that keeps Hodges out than so be it. Non-election is not the same thing as being "dissed".
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Nymr83 Nov 22 2005 04:37 PM |
i dont see any problem with barring guys forever. their statistics don't change after they don't get in the first few times and the further you get from the time they played the less and less accurate any other information about them will be.
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Valadius Nov 22 2005 05:33 PM |
I think it's ridiculous for the Veteran's Committee to only meet every two years, and for managers, executives, etc. to only be considered every four years. Come on now. Do it every year, so MAYBE these guys will get in before they pass away!
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Edgy DC Nov 22 2005 05:39 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 22 2005 10:54 PM |
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Wisdom and understanding changes. Known facts change. Historical persepctive and general context change. Old prejudices die and, sadly, new ones are born.
I don't really understand that. We're not working with an exclusively oral tradition here.
Well, I agree on a quota for the number of inductees, but I think it should be a set percentage of the overall baseball population, not X number per year.
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TheOldMole Nov 22 2005 06:12 PM |
There's always gonna be someone who doesn't get in, but it shouldn't be Gil.
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Nymr83 Nov 22 2005 10:46 PM |
in by opinion the only people not in the hall who belong there are Pete Rose and Bert Blyleven
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Valadius Nov 22 2005 10:47 PM |
What about Shoeless Joe?
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Yancy Street Gang Nov 23 2005 09:19 AM |
I totally agree with the point about perspectives changing. In 2100, it's entirely possible that a guy like Dave Kingman, for one bad example, will be seen as Hall-worthy. And if the baseball establishment at the time feels that way, then they're entitled to put him in the Hall of Fame.
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HahnSolo Nov 23 2005 09:57 AM |
Without going to too much trouble, can someone give me Minoso's Hall qualifications in a nutshell? Other than his "guest pinch hits to play in however many decades" I never really thought much about him. and this is the first time I'm ever hearing his name and Hall of Fame in the same sentence.
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Edgy DC Nov 23 2005 10:09 AM |
Minnie was an on-base machine over a long period who was pretty comparable to Tim Raines. His OPS+ was 130 over his career, while Raines' was 123. Of course, he had 600 fewer stolen bases.
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