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Rampant Fire Sale Speculation Thread

Edgy DC Nov 23 2005 10:40 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Nov 23 2005 10:45 AM

The Sox got Burnett and Lowell on Monday. On Tuesday, the Mets apparently dealt for Carlos Delgado. How much Hell and high water do you think the Yankees are trying to move at this very moment to get Dontrelle Wills despite him being a cheapie for the Marlins?

abogdan Nov 23 2005 10:42 AM

Willis and Cabrera aren't going anywhere. Everything else that isn't nailed down could be out the door, though.

Edgy DC Nov 23 2005 10:43 AM

Probably. Funny that the Mets didn't simulataneously move for Castillo, though.

metirish Nov 23 2005 10:44 AM

I'm surprised the Yankees have not gotten Juan Pierre to play CF, apparently Cashman is intent on never parting ways with Wang or Cano.

Yancy Street Gang Nov 23 2005 10:44 AM

I was thinking that too. Maybe they wanted to close the "smaller" deal while they could. They can always keep talking to Florida about Castillo.

Centerfield Nov 23 2005 11:09 AM

Who do we have left to trade for Castillo? Anderson Hernandez? Keppinger? I like Castillo a lot...he's only 30 and gets on base all the freakin' time, but if Omar even thinks about moving some of our pitching for Castillo I'll...I'll be really angry and huff around for a while.

TheOldMole Nov 23 2005 12:16 PM

Depends on which pitching.

SI Metman Nov 23 2005 09:13 PM

A look back at the Marlins last firesale: 11/11/97: Traded Moises Alou to the Houston Astros. Received a player to be named later, Manuel Barrios, and Oscar Henriquez. The Houston Astros sent Mark J. Johnson (December 16, 1997) to the Florida Marlins to complete the trade. 11/18/97: Traded Robb Nen to the San Francisco Giants. Received Joe Fontenot, Mike Pageler (minors), and Mike Villano (minors). Traded Devon White to the Arizona Diamondbacks. Received Jesus Martinez (minors). 11/20/97: Traded Jeff Conine to the Kansas City Royals. Received Blaine Mull (minors). Traded Ed Vosberg to the San Diego Padres. Received Chris Clark (minors). 12/15/97: Traded Kevin Brown to the San Diego Padres. Received Derrek Lee, Rafael Medina, and Steve Hoff (minors). 12/18/97: Traded Dennis Cook to the New York Mets. Received Fletcher Bates (minors) and Scott Comer (minors). 12/19/97: Traded Kurt Abbott to the Oakland Athletics. Received Eric Ludwick. 2/6/98: Traded Al Leiter and Ralph Milliard to the New York Mets. Received A.J. Burnett, Jesus Sanchez, and Robert Stratton (minors). 5/14/98: Traded Manuel Barrios, Bobby Bonilla, Jim Eisenreich, Charles Johnson, and Gary Sheffield to the Los Angeles Dodgers. Received Mike Piazza and Todd Zeile 5/22/98: Traded Mike Piazza to the New York Mets. Received Preston Wilson, Ed Yarnall, and Geoff Goetz (minors). 7/4/98: Traded Jay Powell and Scott Makarewicz (minors) to the Houston Astros. Received Ramon Castro. 7/31/98: Traded Todd Zeile to the Texas Rangers. Received Daniel DeYoung (minors) and Jose Santo (minors). Traded Felix Heredia and Steve Hoff (minors) to the Chicago Cubs. Received Justin Speier, Kevin Orie, and Todd Noel (minors). Looking at what the Marlins got back, the most significant players were Burnett, Lee, Wilson, and Ramon Castro. Makes you wonder if this firesale will give them better results?

Frayed Knot Nov 23 2005 11:16 PM

Also makes you think twice before just assuming the success of the always popular 'trade em all for prospects' method of team building. Not only did most of those trades receive little in return but -- unlike most "dump 'em" strategies -- many of the players traded were dealt at or near the height of their careers and presumably their fetching power: Brown, Alou, Sheffield/Piazza, Nen.

Edgy DC Nov 23 2005 11:49 PM

Talk about helping a team in your division. Future Mets dealt off (not all directly, certainly) in that series: Dennis Cook, Kurt Abbott, Al Leiter, Ralph Milliard, Bobby Bonilla, Charles Johnson (for a minute), Mike Piazza, Todd Zeile (twice), and Felix Heredia.

OlerudOwned Nov 25 2005 12:29 PM

Guess who

seawolf17 Nov 26 2005 08:40 AM

Hey! Even "Brandon" Looper makes another appearance! I like the little minor league guys. Funny.

Edgy DC Nov 26 2005 09:20 AM

How about Joe Girardi? He gets hired to captain a ship but they blow holes in it before it even leaves the dock. He can't resign as a point of honor because it's his first job and he may never get another shot.

DocTee Nov 26 2005 11:34 AM

It also seems like the Mets gave up more in that prior firesale than other participants: Preston Wilson and AJ Burnett outshine most of the other names (discount Piazza since he ws only there a brief while)-- Derrek lee for sure, but who else?? This is either a reflection of bad Met GMing or a really deep farm system on our behalf.

smg58 Nov 26 2005 12:58 PM

Well, we also got more (Piazza and Leiter) than anybody else got who dealt prospects, although in hindsight they got more for Leiter than they did for Piazza. I'm not sure how they'll fare this time around. Hanley Ramirez is high on "tools" but low on actual performance, and Jacobs and Petit don't have the "tools" and "stuff" that a lot of scouts like but keep performing well.

PatchyFogg Nov 26 2005 01:15 PM

I guess we know why Mr. Girardi gave some serious thought to the D-Rays job.

metsmarathon Nov 26 2005 02:39 PM

how cuteis that mike piazza? i'm sorry. i just typed that out loud, didnt i?

Zvon Nov 26 2005 08:03 PM

I love that Naver Sports stuff,lol. I think they keep Willis for the gate every 5 days. They need some kind of draw.