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Jesse Orosco's debut

Johnny Dickshot Nov 27 2005 09:27 PM

I recall posting info on my cry for help regarding Jesse Orosco's debut over at the old board and getting furiously pissed at Sal when he suggested the "proof" I'd come up with, which was a billion-to-one shot, came in. Amazin'ly, now there's more: [url]http://www.mbtn.net[/url]

metirish Nov 27 2005 09:33 PM

Very cool,and to get Buckner out on a fly , well that's just cool...great find by that MBTN reader.

Zvon Nov 27 2005 09:42 PM

I see good 'ol Doug Flynn there. This really is neat. Savin the images to my Met image file. Thnx.

metirish Nov 27 2005 09:53 PM

Orosco's trade history is very cool..like in 2003 the MFY's traded Jesse to the Twins for a player to be named later..that player was Juan Padilla...some of the trades Jesse was involved in were crazy.. http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/oroscje01.shtml

Frayed Knot Nov 27 2005 10:04 PM

Wow, videotape! And here I was thinking that Jesse's debut could have only been preserved in cave drawings.

Zvon Nov 27 2005 10:06 PM

Zvon Nov 27 2005 10:07 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: Wow, videotape! And here I was thinking that Jesse's debut could have only been preserved in cave drawings. LMAO!

G-Fafif Nov 27 2005 11:45 PM

JD, I know this was one of your white whale quests, so congrats on harpooning irrefutable proof. The images immediately transport me to the afternoon I rushed home from the final dress rehearsal of "Li'l Abner" to catch the final inning of Opening Day and wondered "61? How come everybody else has a name and 61 is just 61?" It represented Jesse's debut and my Craig Swan song in the musical theater. If you told me that day in tenth grade that the guy who finished off the Cubs would be pitching well into the following century, I would've asked, as Senator Jack S. Phogbound, don't that take the rag off'n the bush?

Iubitul Nov 28 2005 04:28 AM

="Zvon"] Zvon - we have to talk aboout one of these cards...

Edgy DC Nov 28 2005 05:33 AM

Uh, oh...

Johnny Dickshot Nov 28 2005 07:33 AM

busted! Anywhoo, it's time also to ask again for an organized fan effort to rattle the cages at channel 9 and with the Mets to tap into the Met video library. (those images btw, are from the Cubs' broadcast). Old video would be a TREMENDOUS resource for historical research, and as far as I know* the tapes are just sitting there getting old dusty and corroded and the equipment used to play them gets broken and outdated and not replaced and soon enough that stuff will be lost forever, like the Mets own records from 1962 (according to D Smith of Retrosheet, the Mets had no scorecards from that year). * - I don't know anything.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 28 2005 07:36 AM

Do we even know that the tapes weren't just reused and taped over?

seawolf17 Nov 28 2005 07:38 AM

Okay, I'm stumped. I can't figure out what's wrong with those cards.

Johnny Dickshot Nov 28 2005 07:41 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Do we even know that the tapes weren't just reused and taped over? Seems like when they need to the Met TV broadcasts can come up with old clips when they need one: For example, comparing one pitcher's motion to another old one. I suspect they exist, but as I said I don;t know anything for sure.

Edgy DC Nov 28 2005 07:48 AM

Problem is that with with (W)WOR and whatever entity that Sportschannel morphed into having no future with the Mets, there's little motivation for the broadcasters to cough up their libraries, but rather motivation for the now-small-timers to hang onto their chips in the big game as long as possible. The problem with one of those photos is that it features one of our members lightly violating the copyright of another one of our members. Don't sue, looby, but rather use the threat of a suit to get a phat licensing agreement out of him.

Edgy DC Nov 28 2005 10:31 AM

I'm not sure, but I believe the Mets broke camp with Orosco as the nominal fifth starter. It may have been Neil Allen I'm thinking of, though.

Valadius Nov 28 2005 10:40 AM

Which photo or part of it?

Edgy DC Nov 28 2005 10:47 AM

Mets starters at the start of 1979: 4/5: Swan 4/7 Zachry 4/10 Swan 4/11 Falcone 4/12 Zachry 4/15 (1) Swan 4/15 (2) Allen 4/17 Falcone 4/18 Zachry 4/20 Swan 4/21 Allen 4/22 Falcone 4/24 Scott 4/25 Swan 4/28 Falcone 4/29 Allen 4/29 Scott 4/30 Swan So Scott was the fifth starter, though an apparently rainy April meant it took 19 days to get him in there. The Mets broke camp with five rookie pitchers, as I recall, including two in the rotation. Rookie pitchers used in 1979: Allen (99 IP); Scott (55.1 IP); Berenguer (30.2 IP); Orosco (35 IP); Pacella (16.1 IP); Jackson (16.1 IP); Bernard (44 IP); Reardon (20.2 IP). It wasn't the sheer volume of rookies used that season so much as so many going north with the team out of camp. Many of those not-ready for primetime rooks would soon be returned in favor of journeymen like Doc Ellis, Andy Hassler, and Wayne Twitchell. OE: The shot on the right is a Iubitul original.

archive man Nov 28 2005 11:35 AM

hello fellow METS fans, im new here to CRANE-POOL, glad to be here. if anyone is intersted, i have on DVD.. OPENING DAY 1979 METS AT CUBS (JESSE OROSCO Debut) the complete game. im a collector/trader of MLB ORIGINAL TV BROADCASTS been recording,trading MLB (most METS) for over 20 years. i have a listing of over 500 games on DVD (all original broadcasts no CLASSIC SPORTS or ESPN CLASSICS,etc...only originals). looking for other traders out there! if anyone wants to see my complete lists of games availible, i will try to get this list posted up on this great site, for all intersted to see. or you can email me, (send me your games you have availible).and i will be happy to send you my games availible list. maybe over the years you recorded METS games, and put them away and forgot about them... im most intersted in finding METS games from late 70s to early 80s let me know all MLB fans...ill something for everybody! thanks

metirish Nov 28 2005 11:40 AM

Hi Willets :)

cooby Nov 28 2005 11:44 AM

I'll bet he doesn't get many emails

Edgy DC Nov 28 2005 11:46 AM

archive man isn't Willets, nor any other previous poster, to my reckoning. Welcome the guy abordick for Pete Flynn's sake. He originally tried to ge in a week ago and got stonewalled.

Johnny Dickshot Nov 28 2005 11:51 AM

Yeah.

Edgy DC Nov 28 2005 11:55 AM

Sig line agenda and all...

cooby Nov 28 2005 12:05 PM

Well, I'm just refering to the lack of email address. That's what we need!

Zvon Nov 28 2005 02:37 PM

="Iubitul"] Zvon - we have to talk aboout one of these cards... Yea,.....If its a complaint Im sure that its that I called Jesse a 'closer'. If your Mr Whitman, I love your photography. This set was given out for Xmas 2002 to friends and family only. I have never made a cent off it, nor do i ever plan to. It was a CD digital slide show, and it included these two notes:

Iubitul Nov 28 2005 04:48 PM

Zvon - I was only half serious - first of all, please get my name right. Second, I don't care if you made a cent off it or not. Just ask first next time.

Zvon Nov 28 2005 05:12 PM

Iubitul wrote: Zvon - I was only half serious - first of all, please get my name right. Second, I don't care if you made a cent off it or not. Just ask first next time. I would be honored to. Seriously. I was only half serious assuming you might be David Whitman. If that is the case, then I do apologize and I will ask first. Am I spelling that wrong?, cause that would be rather embarrassing. I am a big fan of your work and used many of your photos in the set, because of their clarity. Lifted as many images as I could off the net in making the set, and the ones at your site were the best. PM me if youd rather not talk about this upfront. And if it is you, thank you for your wonderful work.

Iubitul Nov 28 2005 05:42 PM

It's cool - that's a common misspelling of my name ;-) I'm glad you like my stuff - Seriously - if you want to use any of my stuff, just ask - I may even have a better scan for you to use ;-)

Zvon Nov 28 2005 07:23 PM

Thank you. Was it just the 1st mispelling in this thread with the 'e' or did I mispell it on the slide show credit list? Cause I feel foolish enough as it is. And thanks for being so kool.

mlbaseballtalk Nov 28 2005 07:32 PM

G-Fafif wrote: JD, I know this was one of your white whale quests, so congrats on harpooning irrefutable proof. The images immediately transport me to the afternoon I rushed home from the final dress rehearsal of "Li'l Abner" to catch the final inning of Opening Day and wondered "61? How come everybody else has a name and 61 is just 61?" It represented Jesse's debut and my Craig Swan song in the musical theater. If you told me that day in tenth grade that the guy who finished off the Cubs would be pitching well into the following century, I would've asked, as Senator Jack S. Phogbound, don't that take the rag off'n the bush? Something I noticed by the way the image of Jesse in motion, is it me, or does the blue on the cap have a look that makes Jesse's cap into a early template of the black w blue brim hats that is now our "standard" cap! =;)

TheOldMole Nov 28 2005 07:33 PM

Interesting to note that Baseball Reference lists Tug McGraw as the closest career match to Jesse.

Edgy DC Nov 28 2005 08:18 PM

I always considered Bowa and Harrelson pretty analogous. There are shortstops who don't hit homeruns, but they both looked absolutely powerless from their very approach. Bud finished up as a reserve on a very good Phillie team. Bowa finished up as a reserve on a very good Met team. Both were doomed to managed.

mlbaseballtalk Nov 28 2005 09:01 PM

By the way, considering all the fun Cohen and Rose love to do with guys sans nameplates during spring training, I wonder how they would have approached this "Well, in comes someone who is wearing 61, although he bears a slight resemblance to Jesse Orosco, who was given 47 this season..." Also, Zvon, any chance you have a shot of a young Jody McDonald from that era? In other words, Joe McDonald's family with him at any Met related function or something) since Jody loves to tell the story of how he was once approached by some kids who thought he (Jody) was Jesse Orosco! Steve

G-Fafif Nov 28 2005 10:03 PM

This was the first game in which the Mets wore names on their backs. It was an N.L.-mandated rule for all road teams. Even when the Mets went to nameless home togs for two Shea Subway Series games in '98 and all of '99, they kept the road names. With no separate league offices, the Dodgers and Giants now flaunt this regulation with impunity. Makes me wonder if the Reds were to show up to Opening Day with a DH whether anyone would stop them.

Edgy DC Nov 28 2005 10:18 PM

The spelling is David G. Whitham.

Zvon Nov 29 2005 01:33 PM

mlbaseballtalk wrote: Also, Zvon, any chance you have a shot of a young Jody McDonald from that era? In other words, Joe McDonald's family with him at any Met related function or something) since Jody loves to tell the story of how he was once approached by some kids who thought he (Jody) was Jesse Orosco! Steve Ill search my files,lol. Thank you Edge. I cant believe I mispelled the mans name in the credits. WhAtAnIdIoT! My brothers are gonna get a kick outta this. (of course im gonna tell them......cuz Im a F00L)

Willets Point Nov 29 2005 01:34 PM

All this name outing is very dangerous. Everyone better hide their children to be safe.