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All-Time Greatest Band Ladder Challenge

Edgy DC Dec 01 2005 09:53 AM

So far, meticulous scientific polling here at the Crane Pool Forum has discovered that the greatest bands of all time (rock era, anyhow) are: 1) The Doors (sponosored by Sharpie) 2) Queen (sponsored by Dickshot) Next up is Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers vs. the first challenger to come forward, with the winner to get a crack perhaps at Her Majesty.

Willets Point Dec 01 2005 12:41 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Dec 09 2005 11:42 AM

The Rolling Stones are ready to take on Queen on this snowy day. Here's a revised list: 1. Paint it Black 2. Sympathy For The Devil 3. No Expectations 4. I Got the Blues 5. Gimme Shelter 6. Mother's Little Helper 7. Let's Spend the Night Together 8. Wild Horses 9. Jumping Jack Flash 10. Satisfaction Here are the ten songs that Queen used to lose to the Doors. Whoever has a stake in Queen feel free to revise: 1. Don't Stop Me Now 2. Dragon Attack 3. Bohemian Rhapsody 4. You're My Best Friend 5. Under Pressure 6. Somebody to Love 7. 39 8. I'm In Love with My Car 9. Keep Yourself Alive 10. We Will Rock You/We are the Champions

Johnny Dickshot Dec 01 2005 01:29 PM

Jesus, Willets. You could probably kill Tom Petty with fewer megatons, but I suppose as long as Edgeward keeps on putting up Petty versus other rock acts, they'll find their true level.

Edgy DC Dec 01 2005 01:38 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 01 2005 02:03 PM

Pulling out the big guns, are you? You must fear something. This matchup shatters any substance to Dickshot's contention --- posted about one exact year ago --- that bands with logos suck. "Paint it Black" vs. "Listen to Her Heart" "Sympathy For The Devil" vs. "Don't Come Around Here No More" "You Can't Always Get What You Want" vs. "Breakdown (Live)" "Ruby Tuesday" vs. "A Woman in Love (And It's Not Me)" (click here and go to "The Vault" and scan to 1981 for the video) "19th Nervous Breakdown" vs. "Here Comes My Girl" "Mother's Little Helper" vs. "The Waiting" "Gimme Shelter" vs. "Even the Losers" "Let's Spend the Night Together" vs. "Don't Do Me Like That" "Jumping Jack Flash" vs. "American Girl" "Satisfaction" vs. "Refugee"

Edgy DC Dec 01 2005 01:41 PM

Vote with due dliberation. Ask if you don't know a particular track.

metirish Dec 01 2005 01:45 PM

Matched up side by side Petty's songs should do well....my vote soon. how are we scoring this again?

Elster88 Dec 01 2005 01:46 PM

Maybe we should put together a seperate thread each time two bands collide? All the votes in one place could make things messy.

Willets Point Dec 01 2005 01:49 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Jesus, Willets. You could probably kill Tom Petty with fewer megatons, but I suppose as long as Edgeward keeps on putting up Petty versus other rock acts, they'll find their true level. A. I couldn't stand seeing The Doors and Queen at the top of the list while the truly great bands were absent. B. Sure I'd love to put up Yo La Tengo, but hardly anyone knows them and it would break my heart to see them lose to Tom Petty. C. No one else was coming forward with anything.

Edgy DC Dec 01 2005 01:51 PM

You report the winner of each matchup and award a point to the winning side --- half a point to each in a tie --- so final scores should add up to 10. 7 to 3, 6 1/2 to 3 1/2, that sort of thing.

Elster88 Dec 01 2005 01:54 PM

I plan to eventually sponsor Guns N' Roses. I'm looking forward to finding out what the general feeling towards them is in the pool, so I'm calling them.

Edgy DC Dec 01 2005 01:56 PM

You're all grooving to the video, aren't you?

metirish Dec 01 2005 01:57 PM

Edgy, you have Refugee going twice for you, what's the story?

Edgy DC Dec 01 2005 02:02 PM

Gott fix that.

Edgy DC Dec 01 2005 02:06 PM

Thanks, during my trimming phase, I had inadvertantly cut "Here Comes My Girl." You see that video? A tunic jacket and a Rickenbacher in a dimly lit warehouse in black-and-white. Was anything ever cooler? At the same time, Mick Jagger was doing aerobics in a Wilbert Montgomery jersey.

Willets Point Dec 01 2005 02:13 PM

Are we voting in this thread? If so then I declare a sweep for the Stones. Sorry Tom, but you'll have better luck with me when you go up against Queen and Guns and Roses.

HahnSolo Dec 01 2005 02:15 PM

8-2 Rolling Stones. Petty avoids the shutout b/c I hate Ruby Tuesday, and he got a favorable matchup with American Girl.

Edgy DC Dec 01 2005 02:29 PM

You're voting 10-0? Cheat. You didn't even pick their best tracks, but rather the overpaid tracks from the Sessions and K-Tel records. "Paint it Black" vs. "Listen to Her Heart" Alluring Byronism trumps the punk spittle of "She Don't Need You." Stones, 1-0. "Sympathy For The Devil" vs. "Don't Come Around Here No More" Alluring dabolism with great drums and jungle yells trumps the psychedelic marriage of the Eurythmics sound to that of the Heartbreakers. Two great outro guitar solos. The rest of the songs aren't much of a contest, though. Stones, 2-0. "You Can't Always Get What You Want" vs. "Breakdown (Live)" Here's the Stones advantage in a nutshell --- more recordings featuring outside musicians. But effectively so. Stones, 2-0. "Ruby Tuesday" vs. "A Woman in Love (And It's Not Me)" "Ruby" has long since grown is boring, with the glassy harpsichordy organ sound already a hippy cliche. Benmont Tench's Hammond, by contrast, is all class. Stones, 3-1. "19th Nervous Breakdown" vs. "Here Comes My Girl" A gimmick song vs. a heartbreaking love song. Please. Stones, 3-2. "Mother's Little Helper" vs. "The Waiting" A gimmick song with thinly veiled drug references (ooh, arein't we clever?) vs. a heartbreaking love song. Come on. Tie, 3-3. "Gimme Shelter" vs. "Even the Losers" Great Rolling Stones song. Stones, 4-3 "Let's Spend the Night Together" vs. "Don't Do Me Like That" Great fun backup vocal by Keef vs. a great organ by Benny. Tie. Stones 4 1/2 to 3 1/2 "Jumping Jack Flash" vs. "American Girl" Get out. Heartbreakers tie it up. 4 1/2 to 4 1/2. "Satisfaction" vs. "Refugee" Two songs which alternate restraint and screaming. I'm taking it. I can't hear "Satisfaction" anymore and silly you for picking it for your anchor. 5 1/2 to 4 1/2, me. Thank you.

seawolf17 Dec 01 2005 02:38 PM

Hmm. PIB vs LTHH - Tough matchup. I don't like PIB, but it wins. 1-0 RS. SFTD vs DCAHNM - Another tough one. Great video for Petty wins points, but Sympathy is so classic. 2-0 RS. YCAGWYW vs Breakdown - Gotta go with the choir. 3-0 RS. RT vs Song I Didn't Know - 3-1 RS. (RT is BORING.) 19th vs HCMG - LOVE "Girl." Cool song. 3-2 RS. MLH vs Waiting - 3-3. Shelter vs Losers - "Shelter" is too good. 4-3 RS. Night vs Do Me - Don't particularly dig either one, but "Night" is better. 5-3 RS. JJF vs AG - "Flash" is overplayed and trite. 5-4 RS. Satisfaction vs Refugee - See "Flash." 5-5. Some tough matchups on both sides, but this one is a straight 5-5 tie from me. I've never been that enamored with the Stones; I know they're legends, but sometimes they just bore me.

metirish Dec 01 2005 02:39 PM

ok I am scoring each match up.... ] "Paint it Black" vs. "Listen to Her Heart" 7 to 3 Stones Sympathy For The Devil" vs. "Don't Come Around Here No More" Petty wins this one 6 to 4...I love that song You Can't Always Get What You Want" vs. "Breakdown (Live)" not even close...Petty scores big here with me...8 to 2 Ruby Tuesday" vs. "A Woman in Love (And It's Not Me)" (click here and go to "The Vault" and scan to 1981 for the video) Probably my fave Stones song....8 to 2... "19th Nervous Breakdown" vs. "Here Comes My Girl" draw...5 - 5 Mother's Little Helper" vs. "The Waiting" 6 to 4 Stones Gimme Shelter" vs. "Even the Losers" Petty wins 6/4 Let's Spend the Night Together" vs. "Don't Do Me Like That" Petty wins 7 to 3 "Jumping Jack Flash" vs. "American Girl" Petty wins here 6 to 4 Satisfaction" vs. "Refugee" Am I the only one that changes stations when Satisfaction comes on? Petty wins big here..8 - 2 Petty takes this in my view... Stones - 39 - - Petty - - 49 scoring the way others are then Petty wins.....6 to 4

Edgy DC Dec 01 2005 02:47 PM

To heck with Guns 'n' Roses, Willets has to polish the Stones up for the matchuup against the Stone Roses.

Willets Point Dec 01 2005 03:32 PM

Don't you have a song parody you should be writing instead of making nasty comments about me?

Edgy DC Dec 01 2005 03:36 PM

Hey, trash talk started in your corner. Hard to be creative at work. Easier to make lists.

Willets Point Dec 01 2005 04:04 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Hey, trash talk started in your corner. Excuse me...I've trash-talked no one since I feel to sharpie in the quarters. And that was all in good fun. It looks like you've scared everyone away from this thread.

metirish Dec 01 2005 04:11 PM

Tensions are running high in this match, the expected trashing of Petty has yet to materialize......oh baby

Edgy DC Dec 01 2005 04:17 PM

Well, he must've taken my "cheat" more seriously than was intended. Withdrawn with humble apologies.

Willets Point Dec 01 2005 04:21 PM

BTW, for future reference: 1. "I Am The Resurrection" 2. "Fools Gold" 3. "Shoot You Down" 4. "I Wanna Be Adored" 5. "(Song for My) Sugar Spun Sister" 6. "She Bangs The Drums" 7. "Elephant Stone" 8. "Made Of Stone" 9. "Waterfall" 10. "This Is the One"

Edgy DC Dec 01 2005 04:36 PM

More votes, please.

Frayed Knot Dec 01 2005 04:45 PM

"Paint it Black" vs. "Listen to Her Heart" Stones, 1 - 0. "Sympathy For The Devil" vs. "Don't Come Around Here No More" Stones, 2 - 0. "You Can't Always Get What You Want" vs. "Breakdown (Live)" Stones, 2 - 1. "Ruby Tuesday" vs. "A Woman in Love (And It's Not Me)" Stones, 3 - 1. "19th Nervous Breakdown" vs. "Here Comes My Girl" Stones, 4 - 1 "Mother's Little Helper" vs. "The Waiting" Stones, 5 - 1 "Gimme Shelter" vs. "Even the Losers" Stones, 6 - 1 "Let's Spend the Night Together" vs. "Don't Do Me Like That" Stones, 7 - 1 "Jumping Jack Flash" vs. "American Girl" Stones, 7 - 2 "Satisfaction" vs. "Refugee" Stones, 7 - 3 And 'Wild Horses', 'Monkey Man', 'Shattered', 'Memory Motel', 'Angie', 'Miss You', 'Fool to Cry' are sitting on the bench ready to sub if needed.

KC Dec 01 2005 04:51 PM

I don't get the band choices and why they're up against each other is why I didn't vote. I think I didn't vote in Doors v Queen either for the same reason.

Willets Point Dec 01 2005 05:09 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: And 'Wild Horses', 'Monkey Man', 'Shattered', 'Memory Motel', 'Angie', 'Miss You', 'Fool to Cry' are sitting on the bench ready to sub if needed. Angie - bleagh! Now that one may be worthy of the scorn Edgy's heaping on my selections. I considered but decided against "I've got the blues" (probably no one else knows it), "I Can't Be Satisfied," "Not Fade Away" (both covers), "Start Me Up" (trite & overplayed and "Satisfaction" already nabbed the t&o spot), and "Under My Thumb" (too misogynist). I've got nothing against Tom Petty, just never been into him so I couldn't vote for any of the songs Edgy picked. I guess I like the mellower Petty of "Wildflowers" and "Into the Great Wide Open" if I like anything at all.

Edgy DC Dec 01 2005 05:17 PM

It's not merely Petty, it's Mike Campbell and Benmont Tench and Howie Epstein too. It's the whole bit.

KC Dec 01 2005 05:51 PM

I'm assuming those are The Heartbreakers? If I had to guess, and I guess I would have been wrong, I would have guessed that they changed every few years. Comparing TP and the HB to The Rolling Stones is as silly as comparing The Doors and Queen. I did say I didn't get it. Still don't. Enjoy.

Johnny Dickshot Dec 01 2005 05:56 PM

KC wrote: I'm assuming those are The Heartbreakers? If I had to guess, and I guess I would have been wrong, I would have guessed that they changed every few years. Comparing TP and the HB to The Rolling Stones is as silly as comparing The Doors and Queen. I did say I didn't get it. Still don't. Enjoy. It's simple: We're naming the greatest bands of all time. If in 20 years you come across two guys arguing who was better -- Queen or Petty or the Stones or whatever, you can tell them: "Shut up you fools: This was settled years ago."

KC Dec 01 2005 06:23 PM

Getting rid of The Stones by putting them up against The Beatles would make more sense to me. Getting rid of Aerosmith by pitting them against Led Zep. Elton could put Billy in his place once and for all. Hell, let's see how Bruce would match up against Tommy Petty - I'd go with the latter - tho' Bruce would probably win the popular vote. I'm not feeling Q v D and RS v TP (adfTH).

MFS62 Dec 01 2005 07:13 PM

Count Basie. Oh, band ladder, not band leader. Sorry. Later

KC Dec 01 2005 07:23 PM

Putting The Beatles up against The Stones actually goes against my take - let's leave The Beatles alone for now, and let The Who bury The Stones. (just for my take, youse pay no attention to me as usual and enjoy)

Edgy DC Dec 01 2005 07:58 PM

Well, the idea is not to eliminate them, so much as to establish a ranking over time. Stones beat TP&tHB, ho-hum, but then they take on Queen. That being decided, the Doors would be next and they will rank number one. Eventually, Led Zep, Who, and the Beatles will come after them, then it gets interesting. It's all a long and deleriously tedious process. Maybe Yancy can make a ballot.

KC Dec 01 2005 08:18 PM

Doors vs. Kinks would be another good example of what I'm trying to say. Tiers, times, throw in genre if we jump decades. Morrison vs. Mercury? Mic vs. Petty? We don't like polar opposites most times in baseball discussion here. Why music?

sharpie Dec 01 2005 10:26 PM

"The Waiting" over "Mother's Little Helper", otherwise the Stones win, 9-1. Petty has always struck me as a bit of a lightweight, a lesser Roger McGuinn. Good, listenable singles, I don't change the button on the radio when they're on but I've never bought a Petty album or went to go see him (except when Dylan played with him and that show was godwaful).

Willets Point Dec 01 2005 10:59 PM

Fuck, I totally forgot "No Expectations!"

Edgy DC Dec 01 2005 11:02 PM

To be fair, Dylan was pretty bad with Ronnie and Keith also. "No Expectations." Now yer thinking.

HahnSolo Dec 02 2005 08:57 AM

I like the way this is set up. Matching it up song vs. song makes for contests with "on any given Sunday" potential. While we're on the subject of Petty, he's in the R&R Hall of Fame (with the Heartbreakers). I know they're pretty liberal with their standards, but does he belong? Same question stands for the Pretenders. These groups never struck me as being outstanding. Should they be mentioned in the same breath with the Beatles, the Stones, Led Zep, etc.?

Johnny Dickshot Dec 02 2005 09:05 AM

You guys are right -- this is a tougher matchup than at first appears. I'm so sick of most of the Stones catalog I have no problem switching stations. Stones have better bench strength but that's not being measured here, which I'm afraid will ultimately emerge as a flaw in our contest. Onto the ratings... "Paint it Black" vs. "Listen to Her Heart" -- Great song I think about when spraypainting furniture vs. Great song I think of whenever someone tries to steal my baby with money and cocaine. A first round tie! 0.5 - 0.5 "Sympathy For The Devil" vs. "Don't Come Around Here No More" -- I'm gonna reluctantly go with the Stones here, but state DCAHNM is one of Petty's most creative songs and would beat most band's best. 1.5 - 0.5 Stones "You Can't Always Get What You Want" vs. "Breakdown (Live)" -- YCAGWYW is one of those overplayed and only so great RS tunes. Breakdown is prolly ov erplayed too, but that's a rarer case with TP&TH, so I score this a win for the Floridians 1.5 - 1.5 "Ruby Tuesday" vs. "A Woman in Love (And It's Not Me)" (click here and go to "The Vault" and scan to 1981 for the video) -- I wasn't in love with A Woman in Love, but almost any other tune on Hard Promises (where's "A Thing About You"?!?) could smote this delicate-but-cutesy Stones classic, which was better when the Smithereens rewrote it as "Groovy Tuesday" 2.5-1.5 "19th Nervous Breakdown" vs. "Here Comes My Girl" --Stone get a small nod here. I'm a bigger fan of TP&H's rockers than their ballads 3.5-1.5 "Mother's Little Helper" vs. "The Waiting" --Mother's Little Helper is difficult to distinguish from other early Stones songs, which isn't to say it sucks, in the same way that "The Waiting" is a classic Petty composition. The bright guitar and tension of the latter wins out. 3.5-2.5 "Gimme Shelter" vs. "Even the Losers" -- Probably the best Stones ever: As often as I hear it, I stick around to hear that chick Merry Whatshername, sing. EtL is a weaker "Waiting" 4.5-2.5 "Let's Spend the Night Together" vs. "Don't Do Me Like That" --Fascinating pop classic matchup here. Great sound from the whole band in the latter -- the piano, the melodic guitar in tiny bites, the whole package. A win for the Heartbreakers (wouldn't it have been cool had WP submitted Heartbreaker as an entrant?) 4.5-3.5 "Jumping Jack Flash" vs. "American Girl" --A "guy" song vs. a "chick" song is how I think of these. What chick do you know who doesn't l-o-v-e "American Girl"? I'm calling it a tie. 5-4 "Satisfaction" vs. "Refugee" --In Mr. Hoff's 8th grade shop class, a kid I breely knew called Jon Datz is absentmindedly singing: "Everybody's got to fight to be free!" when I interrupted to say: "You like Tom Petty?" Oh, yeah. Everyone else in the class was into Jethro Tull and Zeppelin and other relics of not-so-distant past but we knew what was happening, and soon were inseperable. Five years later, I signed his yearbook "You don't have to live like a refugee." All that said, Satisfaction is just too classic, and TP&H goes down fighting. 6-4 Stones.

sharpie Dec 02 2005 09:16 AM

]To be fair, Dylan was pretty bad with Ronnie and Keith also. Yes, he was, but that was unrehearsed. The Petty tour, which happened around the same time as Live Aid, was rehearsed but dismal. I've seen Dylan a pile of times and that was by far the worst of them.

Edgy DC Dec 02 2005 10:10 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 02 2005 10:28 AM

Dylan, unrehearsed? Who'd've thunk it? A big part of me thinks that what made The Band so great is that they were The Only Band That Could Consistently Back Dylan. * * * The same-breath argument is compelling but always unsustainable. It may be at first glance ludicrous to suggest that Joe Morgan be mentioned in the same breath as Babe Ruth, but it's also ludicrous to suggest that he doesn't belong. If Led Zeppelin were the standard for the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame, there'd be seven acts and your visit would last 20 minutes. * * * Having fallen behind 45.5 to 24.5, I thik I'd best concede. The Rolling Stones, even without emptying their bench, have bested Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. Before yielding the floor, let's get remind ourselves of one of the tightest, most enduring touring lineups of our time. Tom Petty: vocals, guitar, occsional bass, 1974-2005 Mike Campbell: lead guitar, b. vocals, 1974-2005 Benmont Tench: organ, piano, synth, other keys, b. vocals, 1974-2005 Ron Blair: bass, b. vocals, 1974-1982, 2002-2005 Stan Lynch: drums, occasional guitar, 1974-1994 Howie Epstien: bass, guitar, high harmony vocals, apparent sweathog, 1982-2002 (had been with Del Shannon previously), died, 2003 Steve Ferrone: drums, 1994-2005 (had been with the Average White Band and Eric Clapton, among others)

sharpie Dec 02 2005 10:24 AM

]A big part of me thinks that what made The Band so great is that they were The Only Band That Could Consistently Back Dylan. Actually, Dylan's resurrection came about when he stopped having established bands backing him and got his own damned band. The Never Ending Tour band he had from the late '90's through 2002 was, in my opinion, the band that was most suited to backing Dylan.

Edgy DC Dec 02 2005 10:25 AM

Greatest bands ever 1) The Doors 2) Queen 3) The Rolling Stones 4) Tom Petty and the Heartbrekers All four are bands with logos.

Edgy DC Dec 02 2005 10:27 AM

]Actually, Dylan's resurrection came about when he stopped having established bands backing him and got his own damned band. The Never Ending Tour band he had from the late '90's through 2002 was, in my opinion, the band that was most suited to backing Dylan. Agreed. I'm sort of speaking about The Band in the past tense there.

metirish Dec 02 2005 10:30 AM

I know we are just having a bit of fun here but those anyone really think those four are the "Greatest bands ever"?

Edgy DC Dec 02 2005 10:39 AM

I imagine there's some badly baked Q104.3 listener who does, but otherwise, no, nobody does.

metirish Dec 02 2005 10:41 AM

LOL...probably true....so is Elster and G n R up next....

Willets Point Dec 02 2005 10:52 AM

When do the Stones & The Hearbreakers go up against the Doors and Queen? That's four matchups there. This could get complex.

sharpie Dec 02 2005 10:53 AM

We'll need brackets, man, brackets! Means there's got to be at least 2 more of these before we have a winner's match. One suggestion for winner's match: at least half the songs have to be replaced with other songs by those bands.

Edgy DC Dec 02 2005 10:57 AM

This isn't a bracket tournie but a ladder tournie. Elster and G 'n' R can take on another comer or try and pick off TP&tHB. Meanwhile, the Willets Stones can take on Queen, and, if Shapie accepts, I imagine he can instead go right after the Doors. Dead guys in the tournament so far: Jim Morrison: vocals, harmonica Freddie Mercury:, vocals, piano, guitar Brian Jones: guitar, sitar, vocals, bass Howie Epstein: bass, guitar, vocals Somebody comes in with Zep or the Who or Spinal Tap and we'll get a dead drummer.

Elster88 Dec 02 2005 12:05 PM

I can wait for another band instead of challenging the fourth rung on the ladder. I'm guessing GNR will perform badly from what I've noticed about the pool's musical tastes thus far.

KC Dec 02 2005 01:30 PM

Howie Epstein could pass as Juan Epstein's kid brother. (oe: sorry, didn't read the comments but it's nice to see we're on the same page anyways)

Willets Point Dec 09 2005 11:43 AM

The Rolling Stones are ready to take on Queen on this snowy day. Here's a revised list: 1. Paint it Black 2. Sympathy For The Devil 3. No Expectations 4. I Got the Blues 5. Gimme Shelter 6. Mother's Little Helper 7. Let's Spend the Night Together 8. Wild Horses 9. Jumping Jack Flash 10. Satisfaction Here are the ten songs that Queen used to lose to the Doors. Whoever has a stake in Queen feel free to revise: 1. Don't Stop Me Now 2. Dragon Attack 3. Bohemian Rhapsody 4. You're My Best Friend 5. Under Pressure 6. Somebody to Love 7. 39 8. I'm In Love with My Car 9. Keep Yourself Alive 10. We Will Rock You/We are the Champions

Johnny Dickshot Dec 09 2005 12:00 PM

I gotta go a holiday party, but if someone wants to rearrage the Queen list subsituting, perhaps "Tie Your Mother Down" for "Dragon Attack" and arranging the list 1-10 do so (the original list wasn't in any particular order IIRC)

sharpie Dec 09 2005 12:13 PM

I don't get why "Another One Bites the Dust" isn't in the Queen list but then I'm the one that left "Riders on the Storm" offa the Doors list.

Willets Point Dec 13 2005 02:17 PM

Okay no will stand-up for Queen so we're going to get this thing started with what we got 'cause Mick & the boys got some starlets and a case of chilled champagne waiting for them in their hotel suite. Paint it Black vs. Don't Stop Me Now Sympathy For The Devil vs Dragon Attack No Expectations vs Bohemian Rhapsody I Got the Blues vs. You're My Best Friend Gimme Shelter vs. Under Pressure Mother's Little Helper vs. Somebody to Love Let's Spend the Night Together vs. 39 Wild Horses vs. I'm In Love with My Car Jumping Jack Flash vs. Keep Yourself Alive Satisfaction vs. We Will Rock You/We are the Champions Get your votes in quick 'cause there are other bands banging on the door to get in this contest.

Elster88 Dec 13 2005 02:55 PM

Modern bands like GNR refer to them as groupies. Tell your boy Mick that starlets is an outdated term.

Johnny Dickshot Dec 13 2005 03:01 PM

Time out. If Queen is really going to stand for another beatdown, I'm adjusting the lineup. Paint it Black vs. Don't Stop Me Now Sympathy For The Devil vs >>>Another One Bites the Dust <<<<< No Expectations vs Bohemian Rhapsody I Got the Blues vs. You're My Best Friend Gimme Shelter vs. Under Pressure Mother's Little Helper vs. Somebody to Love Let's Spend the Night Together vs. 39 Wild Horses vs. >>>Tie Your Mother Down<<< Jumping Jack Flash vs. Keep Yourself Alive Satisfaction vs. We Will Rock You/We are the Champions

HahnSolo Dec 13 2005 03:01 PM

QUEEN 6, THE ROLLING STONES 4 New York, NY, Dec. 13 (AP) After spotting the greatest rock and roll band in the world a 2-0 lead in their Band Ladder Challenge match, Queen stormed back for a 6-4 upset over the Rolling Stones. Following their loss to the Doors earlier this year, Queen now stands at 1-1 in CPF’s challenge. Queen got off sluggishly, falling behind 2-0 to Stones standards Paint it Black and Sympathy for the Devil, but the band quickly got back on track with Bohemian Rhapsody and You’re My Best Friend to even things up. Queen’s Brian May felt the Bohemian Rhapsody win was a turning point. "There was no way we could fall behind 3-0, not to a band as powerful as the Stones." The Stones took two of the next three matchups behind their 60s classics Gimme Shelter and Let’s Spend the Night Together, and were just a point away from clinching at least a tie, but their bullpen couldn’t hold the lead. Their setup men, Wild Horses and Jumping Jack Flash, have been shaky all season, and they quickly gave up the lead. The Stones thought they were in good position, though, with their closer, Satisfaction, waiting in the wings. "Bloody Hell, yeah," responded Keith Richards when asked if he was confident of at least pulling out a tie. But Queen had a weapon on their own. Leading 5-4 heading into the final frame, they had their sports arena standard(s), We Will Rock You/We Are the Champions, to take out Satisfaction. "We felt really confident in We Will Rock You and We are the Champions, to tell you the truth. Nothing against Satisfaction, but isn’t everyone bored to tears with that song by now?" May said in the victorious locker room. The Stones fell to 1-1 in the CPF challenge. When asked if his band was ready for a potential matchup with the unbeaten Doors or Guns and Roses, Richards said, "Bloody Hell, yeah."

Willets Point Dec 13 2005 03:07 PM

Paint it Black vs. Don't Stop Me Now Paint it Black is my favorite Stones' song - the drum beat, the sitar, the morose mood that perfectly captures the teenager's sense of despair. This song wins hands down over anything Queen can put up. Stones 1-0 Sympathy For The Devil vs Dragon Attack Another Stones masterpiece incorporating exotic rhythmns and melodies without overwhelming the rock 'n' roll. And the lyrics dare to present Satan's point of view w/o being hokey. Stones 2-0 No Expectations vs Bohemian Rhapsody "Bohemian Rhapsody" is a nice little novelty number, the type of mini-opera only possible in the over-the-top decade of excess known as the 70's. The movie Wayne's World got good laughs mocking this ditty and helping solidify it's spot in rock history. But novelty does not compare to the blues rising from failure and remorse in "No Expectations." "But I’m just a poor boy and nobody loves me- He’s just a poor boy from a poor family." is abstract and the only emotion it may touch is humor. "Once I was a rich man and Now I am so poor But never in my sweet short life Have I felt like this before" touches on the human experience and makes you weep. Stones 3-0 I Got the Blues vs. You're My Best Friend "I Got the Blues" is a little obscure, but it's another one of my favorites. Mick seems to be channeling Otis Redding here as he's at his most convincingly soulful. And for all the misogny in RS songs, Mick actually sounds like he misses the girl for real. Stone 4-0 Gimme Shelter vs. Under Pressure Possibly one of the greatest RS songs for it's technical brilliance and the solo by the woman vocalist is chilling. But for some reason I've never been able to get into this song as much as other RS songs. I can admire it, but I don't love it. "Under Pressure" also has a guest artist in David Bowie and song builds on a simple bassline to a crescendo of instruments and the twining of vocals by Bowie and Freddie Mercury. Even a Queen-hater like me likes this song and I'll give it the nod in this contest. Stones 4-1 Mother's Little Helper vs. Somebody to Love "Mother's Little Helper" got a lot of crap, but I truly like this song. There are drug references, yes but not the cutesy hippy-dippy type. Instead there's a sympathetic portrait of a tired housewife popping valiums. Pretty impressive subject matter for a rock song of the time if you ask me. And it rocks too. Stone 5-1 Let's Spend the Night Together vs. 39 An invitation to sex in all it's rock and roll brilliance versus sappy glurge. We know who wins that battle. Stones 6-1 Wild Horses vs. I'm In Love with My Car In the transportation show-down, the metaphorical horses outduel the cheesy car inuendo. Stones 7-1 Jumping Jack Flash vs. Keep Yourself Alive Queen's heart is in the right place but can't compete against this gritty rock anthem. Stones 8-1 Satisfaction vs. We Will Rock You/We are the Champions Both these tracks share in common that they are not the best the bands ever produced but they are the most well-known and sadly the most over-played to the detriment of both great songs. The hammering guitar riffs and the pounding drumbeat/handclaps are immediately recognizable to almost anyone who's been alive on this planet the last 30 years. I want to give the nod to Satisfaction because of it's heady subject matter for the time it was composed compared to the novelty nature (once again) of the Queen song, but I'll be generous and call this one a tie. Stones win 8.5 - 1.5.

Willets Point Dec 13 2005 03:15 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Time out. If Queen is really going to stand for another beatdown, I'm adjusting the lineup. Too late for me Dickshot. Although it does not affect the final tally for my votes though.

HahnSolo Dec 13 2005 03:21 PM

^^ Same here. And my tally remains the same.

Johnny Dickshot Dec 13 2005 03:35 PM

OK, whatever. Bullet of cool: HahnSolo wrote: QUEEN 6, THE ROLLING STONES 4 New York, NY, Dec. 13 (AP) After spotting the greatest rock and roll band in the world a 2-0 lead in their Band Ladder Challenge match, Queen stormed back for a 6-4 upset over the Rolling Stones. Following their loss to the Doors earlier this year, Queen now stands at 1-1 in CPF’s challenge. Queen got off sluggishly, falling behind 2-0 to Stones standards Paint it Black and Sympathy for the Devil, but the band quickly got back on track with Bohemian Rhapsody and You’re My Best Friend to even things up. Queen’s Brian May felt the Bohemian Rhapsody win was a turning point. "There was no way we could fall behind 3-0, not to a band as powerful as the Stones." The Stones took two of the next three matchups behind their 60s classics Gimme Shelter and Let’s Spend the Night Together, and were just a point away from clinching at least a tie, but their bullpen couldn’t hold the lead. Their setup men, Wild Horses and Jumping Jack Flash, have been shaky all season, and they quickly gave up the lead. The Stones thought they were in good position, though, with their closer, Satisfaction, waiting in the wings. "Bloody Hell, yeah," responded Keith Richards when asked if he was confident of at least pulling out a tie. But Queen had a weapon on their own. Leading 5-4 heading into the final frame, they had their sports arena standard(s), We Will Rock You/We Are the Champions, to take out Satisfaction. "We felt really confident in We Will Rock You and We are the Champions, to tell you the truth. Nothing against Satisfaction, but isn’t everyone bored to tears with that song by now?" May said in the victorious locker room. The Stones fell to 1-1 in the CPF challenge. When asked if his band was ready for a potential matchup with the unbeaten Doors or Guns and Roses, Richards said, "Bloody Hell, yeah."

Willets Point Dec 13 2005 03:47 PM

Hahn gets the post of the day award. Edgy is conspicuous in his absence.

sharpie Dec 13 2005 06:12 PM

Paint It Black vs. Don't Stop Me Now. Winner: STONES 1-0. Paint it Black one of the all-time greats, plus I'm a sucker for a sitar. Sympathy for the Devil vs. Another One Bites the Dust There's a great scene in the book HONKY by Dalton Conley where a middle school is divided (down the middle!) over white rock vs. black rap. The only thing they could agree on was Another One Bites the Dust. In a close one and because I suggested to Dickshot that it should be in the Queen lineup, it gets my vote. WINNER: QUEEN. 1-1 No Expectations vs. Bohemain Rhapasody Two wildly different songs. I love No Expectations but Queen reaches for more. WINNER: QUEEN 2-1 I Got the Blues vs. You're My Best Friend A weak field. Why "Can't You Hear Me Knockin'" from the same album isn't here instead of Mick doing his 'Bamy blues number is beyond me. Your'e My Best friend is ok and ok wins it. WINNER: QUEEN 3-1 Gimmie Shelter vs. Under Pressure Title fight. Merry Clayton makes the difference. WINNER: STONES 2-3 Mother's Little Helper vs. Somebody to Love Under My Thumb is a better '65-era Stones single. Somebody to Love isn't as good as the Jefferson Airplane song of the same name but I'll reluctantly vote for it. WINNER: QUEEN 4-2 Let's Spend the Night Together vs. 39 Even though Mick changed the lyrics for Ed Sullivan the song is infectious. WINNER: STONES 3-4 Wild Horses vs. Tie Your Mother Down Not close. WINNER: STONES 4-4 Jumpin' Jack Flash vs. Keep Yourself Alive The greatest of all those anthemic Keef guitar riffs. WINNER: STONES 5-4 Satisfaction vs. We Will Rock You/We Are the Champions Another heavyweight battle. They knock themselves senseless. TIE FINAL STONES 5.5 QUEEN 4.5

Edgy DC Dec 13 2005 08:25 PM Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Feb 02 2006 04:52 PM

"Paint it Black" vs. "Don't Stop Me Now" --- Stones, 1-0 "Sympathy For The Devil" vs "Another One Bites the Dust" --- Good matchup of two acts trying to be black in different ways. --- Stones, 2-0 "No Expectations" vs "Bohemian Rhapsody" --- These are starkly different. Understatement trumps overstatement. Stones, 3-0 "I Got the Blues" vs. "You're My Best Friend" --- Queen doing what they do best, pulling a nugget of sweet truth out of all the camp. Stones, 3-1 "Gimme Shelter" vs. "Under Pressure" --- One of my three or four favorite Stones songs loses to one of my three or four favorite songs. Stones, 3-2 "Mother's Little Helper" vs. "Somebody to Love" --- "Mother's Little Helper" strikes me as the sort of gimmick song that would have made the Stones quite tired had they not changed gears at the start of the Mick Taylor era. Somebody to Love is the sort of Liza showstopper that a real roawk fan is committed to hating, then goes to the show and is blown away. Tie, 3-3 "Let's Spend the Night Together" vs. "39" --- I like the backup vocals on the Stones song. I fear Dickshot is letting his sentimental choice lose contests for him. Stones, 4-3 "Wild Horses" vs. "Tie Your Mother Down" --- Stones song has survived a lot of overplay. Too much pomp in the Mother arrangement. Its inherent boogie suggests it might have been a better Stones song than a Queen song. Stones, 5-3 (I may review this one if "Mother" is the live version from Queen on Fire.) "Jumping Jack Flash" vs. "Keep Yourself Alive" --- If I'm seeing Queen live, hearing the beginning of "Keep" will make me jump against my will. The opening chords of "JJF" at a Stones show will make me feel bad that they have to get one more chestnut out of the way. Stones, 5-4 "Satisfaction" vs. "We Will Rock You"/"We are the Champions" --- If these songs are allowed to be judged together, then I've got to give the edge to Queen. Tie, 5-5 This format is fun, even though its conduciveness to upsets is perhaps unfair. Fun matchups that didn't happen: "Mother's Little Helper" vs. "Tie Your Mother Down" "Tie You Up" vs. "Tie Your Mother Down" "Waiting on a Friend" vs. "You're My Best Friend" "Under My Thumb" vs. "Under Pressure" "Some Girls" vs. "Fat-Bottomed Girls"

Willets Point Dec 14 2005 01:43 PM

Rolling Stones win 23-17. The Greatest Bands Ever standings: 1) The Doors 2) The Rolling Stones 3) Queen 4) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers Next up: Stones vs. Doors.

Elster88 Dec 14 2005 01:47 PM

Do any new bands want a piece of Guns N Roses? Or should they challenge Petty.

Edgy DC Dec 14 2005 01:48 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 14 2005 01:55 PM

The advantage of ringer guest vocalsits on "Gimme Shelter" and "Under Pressure" conveniently cancel each other out, helping us to avoid a thorny issue.

Edgy DC Dec 14 2005 01:50 PM

Would I get to include the version of "Free Falling" that Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers did on The MTV Music Awards, featuring Axl Rose on vocals?

Willets Point Dec 14 2005 02:17 PM

Elster88 wrote: Do any new bands want a piece of Guns N Roses? Or should they challenge Petty. There's a number of bands I'd like to see get into this contest - including but not limited to The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, U2, REM, Yo La Tengo, Radiohead, They Might Be Giants, The Pixies, The Pogues, The Clash, The Specials, Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, and Bob Marley and the Wailers. Someone want a make a list for a band they like, or should I do another one of the bands I like to take on Guns & Roses?

seawolf17 Dec 14 2005 02:25 PM

First of all, Yo La Tengo doesn't make it on to any Top Anything Bands List. Including them this early is a waste of time. Second, how about Aerosmith or The Who? Third, this thread has the possibility of being the longest thread in the history of threads, and it will all prove absolutely nothing. I like it.

Willets Point Dec 14 2005 02:34 PM

You pick on Yo La Tengo and then suggest two crap, overated bands to take their place. You're right that YLT won't go far, but that's only because there are too many people here who think Queen is a great band (in other words, people who like bands that suck bhmc).

metirish Dec 14 2005 02:58 PM

]Would I get to include the version of "Free Falling" that Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers did on The MTV Music Awards, featuring Axl Rose on vocals? _________________ That was a duet Tom Petty will never forget, the look on Petty's face as Axl screeched the lyrics like someone was twsting his nuts, ,memorable.

Edgy DC Dec 14 2005 03:04 PM

Hey, let's settle differences on the field of honor, shall we. It'd be more fun, I think, to get at lest ten players in the game before any of us starts sponsoring our second act.

HahnSolo Dec 14 2005 03:06 PM

I'll take U2 if no one objects. Give me a couple days to come up with my list.

Edgy DC Dec 14 2005 03:17 PM

Here we go. U2 vs. G'nR. "One" vs. "One in a Million."

metirish Dec 14 2005 04:03 PM

"One" is one of the great songs ever while "One in a Million" was condemed as racist and homophobic when it came out, still a good song if you can get past some of the lyrics.

HahnSolo Dec 14 2005 04:33 PM

Note to self: put 'One' on my U2 list; get Metirish's vote.

metirish Dec 14 2005 04:34 PM

Most definitely, that same song used to bring Axl Rose to tears.

sharpie Dec 14 2005 04:50 PM

Elster's strategy: put his weakest song up against "One."

Elster88 Dec 15 2005 06:10 PM

How does that work anyway? I was just going to do 1-10 from best to worst. The idea is to match up top songs against each other, 2nd best against each other, and so on right? I'll get my list over the weekend. Off work tomorrow so I won't be around much until Monday. __________________ This post had the designation 96) Daryl Boston. I met him and got him to sign my program.

Willets Point Dec 15 2005 06:32 PM

Elster88 wrote: How does that work anyway? I was just going to do 1-10 from best to worst. The idea is to match up top songs against each other, 2nd best against each other, and so on right? . Yep, just rank the ten best songs by the band from 1 to 10 (best to not the best, but still pretty darn good).

Edgy DC Dec 15 2005 09:10 PM

The chances for "One in a Million" to beat "One"? Approximately one in a million. But you can get them back running "November Rain" up against "October."

Elster88 Dec 15 2005 09:55 PM

One in a Million will not be entering this competition.

Johnny Dickshot Dec 16 2005 12:32 AM

I'd like to do a mini pre-game showdown between ONE COUNTRY the politically-themed power ballad from Midnight Oil in 1990; and ONE, the curiously similar politically-themed power ballad from U2 in 1991. Seriously, I used to get these 2 confused. Both songs begin quietly, with the singer asking a series of questions: Garrett: Who’d like to change the world? Who wants to shoot the curl? Who gets to work for bread? Who wants to get ahead? Bono: Is it getting better? Or do you feel the same? Will it make it easier on you, now You got someone to blame? Despite a slightly different rhyme pattern they are the same song so far. You can even swap the lyrics & melodies. While Bono goes for an early kill with a big violinny chrorus, Garrett asks a few more questions -- Who can make hard won gains, fall like the summer rain? -- while giving a chrous head-fake: He's going back his list of questions without releasing the tension yet. Who want’s to please everyone? Who says it all can be done? But Bono's asking questions again too: Have you come here for forgiveness? Have you come to raise the dead? While Bono repeats his chorus, then kicks up the drama with the "Love is a temple" bridge, Garrett keeps teasing his triumphant climax with chromatically delivered lines here and there until they both rock out all the way home with full orchestral acompaniment, each using the line "One__________ . Garrett: One passion, one movement, one instant One difference, one lifetime, one understanding... Bono: One love, one blood One life, you got to do what you should One life, with each other...

HahnSolo Dec 16 2005 09:17 AM

]Elster88 wrote: How does that work anyway? I was just going to do 1-10 from best to worst. The idea is to match up top songs against each other, 2nd best against each other, and so on right? . Yep, just rank the ten best songs by the band from 1 to 10 (best to not the best, but still pretty darn good). I didn't realize that. I thought this was like posting a lineup, and there was some strategy involved. I also had a couple personal faves in my top ten. I'll rethink this a little. I was hoping to put up my list today, but since Elster won't be around, I'll wait a little. ]But you can get them back running "November Rain" up against "October." Sadly, October does not make my Top Ten, which is good b/c November Rain is probably my favorite G&R song. Although if U2 ever competes against the Doors, I'd be willing to add a bonus 11th track battle of "Gloria" vs. "Gloria."

sharpie Dec 16 2005 09:26 AM

I think we should do an all "One" song competition. One (Is the Loneliest Number) by 3 Dog Night; One Love by Bob Marley; She's the One by Bruce Springsteen; One Man's Problem by Jayhawks plus all the aforementioned ones and probably lots more.

seawolf17 Dec 16 2005 09:31 AM

sharpie wrote: I think we should do an all "One" song competition. One (Is the Loneliest Number) by 3 Dog Night; One Love by Bob Marley; She's the One by Bruce Springsteen; One Man's Problem by Jayhawks plus all the aforementioned ones and probably lots more. Metallica! \m/

Edgy DC Dec 16 2005 09:38 AM

I think we should post them, best to less best, but since, as long as one guy has to post first, inviting the occurance of strategic setups by the second poster, it should be the challenger who always posts second. In this case, since U2 stepped forwatd second, they are, technically, the challenger.

Elster88 Dec 16 2005 09:41 AM

Sounds fine to me.

HahnSolo Dec 16 2005 10:06 AM

Okay. Elster, I guess we'll shoot for Monday morning? Then afterwards, you , Axl, Duff, Buckethead and the gang can join me and the lads from Dublin for a couple of pints!

Edgy DC Dec 16 2005 10:12 AM

I'm sorry, I meant the challenger posting first.

Edgy DC Dec 16 2005 10:23 AM

UG'n'RDB: Steven Adler Buckethead Gilby Clarke Robin Finck Richard Fortus Brian Mantia Duff McKagan Chris Pitman Dizzy Reed Axl Rose Slash Matt Sorum Tommy Stinson Izzy Stradlin Paul Tobias

HahnSolo Dec 16 2005 04:21 PM

Okay, since I don't know what time I'll be around on Monday, I'm posting my lineup now. One New Year’s Day I Will Follow Where the Streets Have No Name Vertigo The Unforgettable Fire Walk On The Fly Sometimes You Can’t Make it On Your Own Sunday Bloody Sunday On the bench (in subsequent battles, can I call any of these guys up?) in chronological order: Out of Control, The Electric Co., Gloria, Two Hearts Beat As One, Like A Song, Pride (In the Name of Love), Wire, With or Without You, I Still haven’t Found What I’m Looking For, God Part II, Desire, Until the End of the World, Ultraviolet (Light My Way), Kite, Beautiful Day, Elevation, City of Blinding Lights, All Because of You

Edgy DC Dec 16 2005 04:24 PM

That's with the best on top or bottom? No place for "Bad" even on the bench?

metirish Dec 16 2005 04:26 PM

It's not good that you have no "Bad", still picking ten U2 songs is not easy.

Johnny Dickshot Dec 16 2005 04:26 PM

no Angel of Harlem could hurt the soul vote.

Willets Point Dec 16 2005 04:29 PM

I don't recognize 2 of the 10 u2 songs. I suck.

HahnSolo Dec 16 2005 04:29 PM

Bad should be on the bench, that was an oversight. It's best from top to bottom, though I should probably rank Sunday Bloody Sunday higher. I do like the idea of it being my "closer" ala Satisfaction and We are the Champions/WWRY. IF that goes against the spirit of the competition, then I'm happy to swap it with Vertigo. Gotta have Vertigo to court the youth vote.

metirish Dec 16 2005 04:32 PM

You should prolly post your songs on this page for all to see.

Edgy DC Dec 16 2005 04:34 PM

It was a cold and wet December day Hahn sat down to make his play Of all U2 songs he had found One of them was too far down No "Angel..." Got "The Fly" and "One" and "New Year's Day" "Vertigo"? He said "OK!" But No "Angel..." Soul vote! He dismissed the soul vote and let it go! Soul vote! No "Angel of Harlem"

Edgy DC Dec 16 2005 04:35 PM

Definiitely, your more competitive songs should be at the bottom of the list. I like Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, but U2 could give me a fight using only B-sides.

HahnSolo Dec 16 2005 04:41 PM

Look at my bench. That should give you an idea how tough it was to bring it down to ten songs. After One, New Years Day, Streets, Sunday Bloody Sunday, and I Will Follow, you have a whole bunch of songs fighting it out. Regarding Bad, I always felt that it and Pride got all the airplay, but that The Unforgettable Fire was a far superior song, that's why I put it in there. That's the song that kept me going back to listen to that CD. I never imagined the love for Angel of Harlem. Great parody, Edgy.

Edgy DC Dec 16 2005 04:43 PM

We clearly need a battle for the greatest U2 songs.

HahnSolo Dec 19 2005 05:38 PM

Lest we forget that the origin of the all time greatest One song came from the proposed U2 v. GnR band ladder challenge. Once again here are my selections for U2. Elster, whenever you're ready with GNR. One New Year’s Day I Will Follow Where the Streets Have No Name Vertigo The Unforgettable Fire Walk On The Fly Sometimes You Can’t Make it On Your Own Sunday Bloody Sunday On the bench (in subsequent battles, can I call any of these guys up?) in chronological order: Out of Control, The Electric Co., Gloria, Two Hearts Beat As One, Like A Song, Pride (In the Name of Love), Wire, Bad, With or Without You, I Still haven’t Found What I’m Looking For, God Part II, Desire, Until the End of the World, Ultraviolet (Light My Way), Kite, Beautiful Day, Elevation, City of Blinding Lights, All Because of You

Edgy DC Dec 19 2005 05:44 PM

Do you smell something? Smells like... forfeit.

Giant Squidlike Creature Feb 02 2006 02:54 PM

Bump-o-rama!

Edgy DC Feb 02 2006 03:07 PM

The embarassing no-show of Guns and Roses will long be remembered, and couldn't, in fact, be a more perfect statement of their legacy. 1) The Doors 2) The Rolling Stones 3) Queen 4) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers 5) U2 6) Guns and Roses Next challenger pick a band on the list you want to knock off. If you beat them, you pass them on the list. If you don't, you land at the bottom. So don't pick too ambitiously.

Elster88 Feb 02 2006 03:32 PM

I completely forgot about this.

soupcan Feb 02 2006 03:32 PM

First of all I've never seen this thread. Second - that was a very weak U2 lineup Hahn. Hawkmoon 269, God Part II, Bad (as previously stated), Seconds, etc., etc. are all so much better than Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own, The Fly and Vertigo. Third - how does this work? Can I just pick any band in existence, post what I think to be their top 10 songs and pick off the other bands one at a time?

Willets Point Feb 02 2006 03:34 PM

soupcan wrote: First of all I've never seen this thread. Second - that was a very weak U2 lineup Hahn. Hawkmoon 269, God Part II, Bad (as previously stated), Seconds, etc., etc. are all so much better than Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own, The Fly and Vertigo. Third - how does this work? Can I just pick any band in existence, post what I think to be their top 10 songs and pick off the other bands one at a time? The answer to #3 is yes? And from your second point you've already got a handle on what this thread is all about: bitching about other people's ten favorite songs.

soupcan Feb 02 2006 03:36 PM

Coolness. I'd like to take Led Zeppelin and challenge Petty. Any objections?

Willets Point Feb 02 2006 03:41 PM

Go for it.

sharpie Feb 02 2006 03:42 PM

I think Edgy would have to accept as Petty's proxy.

soupcan Feb 02 2006 03:49 PM

Gimme till tomorrow, I'll do a ZepFest on my iPod during my commute home tonight and decide my top ten. You die at dawn Petty. OE: One question - Does Petty's list get the option to be revised or does he have to dance with who brung him?

Johnny Dickshot Feb 02 2006 04:05 PM

I think the "manager" oughta be able to set his lineup strategically each time, and somehow, without knowledge of the other guy's list first.

soupcan Feb 02 2006 04:12 PM

That's fine. Then we need to have both lists posted at roughly the same time though, yes?

Edgy DC Feb 02 2006 04:41 PM

I indeed accept. I'll probably go with the same list, but given the challenges of discretely ("disctreetly"?) setting one's list apart from one another, I think the challenger should have to set his list first.

soupcan Feb 02 2006 04:47 PM

Okie Doke.

Edgy DC Feb 02 2006 04:58 PM

With Zep to go up against, though, I may have to put my dynamite in the early rounds to blow your lesser selections. Petty did OK against the Stoners, gaining the advantage of so few Stones songs sounding very fresh any longer. Maybe that'll work also against Zep, who had a smaller catalog, but who had deeper albums. Maybe that's wishful thinking. ]Second - that was a very weak U2 lineup Hahn. And yet it made the 15 members of Guns and Roses flee in fear.

soupcan Feb 02 2006 10:00 PM

Let me tell you - this was not so easy as I thought. There are quite a few great Zep songs but do I post MY top ten or the top ten that I think were most popular among the masses and would logically garner more votes? Thankfully they didn't differ much. Then there's the whole 'versus Tom Petty' aspect. I dig Petty. Very much in fact. And while on the surface it doesn't really seem like a fair fight, in reality we're kinda comparing apples and oranges here. Then I have to figure out in what order to put these songs. I didn't dwell on that so much because they are all SO damn good it doesn't really matter Anyway, Tom - hope you didn't get to used to that number 4 spot. 10. Immigrant Song 9. Down By The Seaside 8. Going To California 7. Thank You 6. Travelling Riverside Blues 5. Stairway To Heaven 4. Houses of The Holy 3. Whole Lotta Love 2. Black Dog 1. Rock n' Roll I did not include my all-time favorite Zep song 'Boogie With Stu' which was on Physical Graffiti. Only because it is sort of a remake of a Ritchie Valens song called 'Ooh My Head'. If you don't know 'Boogie With Stu' you are missing out on a great tune. [url=www.funtonia.com/mp3ringtones/songs/Led_Zeppelin/Boogie_With_Stu/]Sample it here.[/url] Oh yeah - Zep also has a logo so they in fact do qualify... OE: Wasn't sure if I should post my bench but here are a few of them: Kashmir, Communication Breakdown, Misty Mountain Hop, The Ocean, Fool In The Rain.

Willets Point Feb 02 2006 10:22 PM

I LOVE "Boogie with Stu"

Elster88 Feb 02 2006 11:13 PM

Edgy DC wrote: ]Second - that was a very weak U2 lineup Hahn. And yet it made the 15 members of Guns and Roses flee in fear. I said I forgot.

metirish Feb 02 2006 11:17 PM

That's ok Elster.....your fired...

Elster88 Feb 02 2006 11:18 PM

If I'm still allowed, I'll post the songs. Axl looks awful these days doesn't he? I guess we're all going to get old one day.

metirish Feb 02 2006 11:24 PM

I'd like to see your list Elster, huge Gun's fan here,I'd be interested to see what ten songs you would pick, would you have a mix of classic GnR rockers and Axl obsessed Elton John ballads from the ninties?......

Elster88 Feb 02 2006 11:27 PM

Yeah it's very tough to rank them when there is such a difference between the songs that have the sound of Appetite and the ones that are slower. Comparing apples and oranges. I'll come up with something.

metirish Feb 02 2006 11:31 PM

Yeah it's not easy, 'Breakdown' from ' Use Your Illusion II ' is one of my fave Gun's songs, they could have had one great CD from that set of two CD's, still I loved them.

Frayed Knot Feb 02 2006 11:33 PM

Elster88 wrote: Axl looks awful these days doesn't he? I guess we're all going to get old one day. Surely not Mr. Perfect though.

cooby Feb 02 2006 11:37 PM

He's got ya there, Elster :)

Elster88 Feb 02 2006 11:38 PM

Haha, true enough Well, Mr. Perfect is dead, but he looked great up until the day he died. RIP.

Edgy DC Feb 02 2006 11:42 PM

I don’t think we have any rules against using a cover cut from a band. We have a strong precedent with Sharpie using “Whiskey Bar,” and closing their sides with Willie Dixon and Robert Johnson covers was a big part of Led Zepellin’s game. I’m a little surprised you didn’t have more of the pastoral hippie stuff. I'll start a new Zep-Heartbreaker thread.

Elster88 Feb 02 2006 11:42 PM

metirish wrote: Yeah it's not easy, 'Breakdown' from ' Use Your Illusion II ' is one of my fave Gun's songs, they could have had one great CD from that set of two CD's, still I loved them. At the time I felt it could've been trimmed down, too. Of course now I'm just grateful for every original song that they made. BTW, the concert with the new band that I went to at MSG absolutely rocked. Far and away the best concert I've ever been too. ('Course, I never went to one with the original band members.) But that's a whole other post.

metirish Feb 02 2006 11:49 PM

I saw them at Slane Castle Ireland in 1992, it was one of the great concerts ever, I was 18 and Slane was the mecca of concerts in Ireland, Faith No More played support...great gig.

soupcan Feb 03 2006 08:57 AM

Edgy DC wrote: I don’t think we have any rules against using a cover cut from a band. We have a strong precedent with Sharpie using “Whiskey Bar,” and closing their sides with Willie Dixon and Robert Johnson covers was a big part of Led Zepellin’s game.. Mebbe in later rounds then. Edgy DC wrote: I’m a little surprised you didn’t have more of the pastoral hippie stuff. Yeah I know, but that's not really my taste. I can appreciate a band like The Grateful Dead for instance but I'm just not a huge fan

Edgy DC Feb 03 2006 09:21 AM

I don't appreciate the Dead, but I do appreciate "That's the Way" and "What Is and What Should Never Be," and the slow half of "Over the Hills and Far Away," but you do have "Thank You and "Going to Cali," so I guess you've got that covered. Part of why The Beatles is my favorite Beatles album is that it predicts so much of the Zeppelin catalog in both ballads and protometal.

soupcan Feb 03 2006 12:35 PM

Edgy DC wrote: 1) The Doors 2) The Rolling Stones 3) Queen 4) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers 5) U2 6) Guns and Roses Have the Stones gone against the Doors yet? Because while The Doors definitely deserve a spot in the Top 10 they sure as shit ain't numero uno. Is someone gonna grab The Beatles and The Who? Both of those bands have spots reserved in the top 5. And it's time that Guns N' Roses gets vaporized already. KC - you're a Who guy, what say you?

Elster88 Feb 03 2006 12:37 PM

]And it's time that Guns N' Roses gets vaporized already. Too loud for you, huh? You might want to turn down the volume on your hearing aid.

Edgy DC Feb 03 2006 12:45 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 03 2006 12:46 PM

Someone's going to grab the Beatles and the Who, but I'm not sure who. I think after we get ten bands ranked, we can start grabbing seconds. KC's got to bring on a Ramones attack.

Willets Point Feb 03 2006 12:46 PM

The Stones are ready to take on The Doors, anytime, anyplace.

soupcan Feb 03 2006 12:52 PM

Elster88 wrote: ]And it's time that Guns N' Roses gets vaporized already. Too loud for you, huh? You might want to turn down the volume on your hearing aid. Hey Sonny Boy, I was blasting my eardrums to AC/DC while you and Axl were sporting your New Kids On The Block lunchboxes. I got no problem with GnR I just don't think they've got nearly enough of a library to be mentioned as one of the top 10 rock bands ever.

Elster88 Feb 03 2006 01:05 PM

Just teasing you. I wish they had more of a library more than anyone. Yeah, AC/DC rocked too while I was in my high chair.

sharpie Feb 03 2006 01:07 PM

(slapped across the face with a glove). The Doors accept your challenge, sir. As the challenger it is your duty to post your songs first.

Edgy DC Feb 03 2006 01:07 PM

Seriously, Axl's been visiting Michael Jackson's doctor, right? That's not the face I remember him having at all. I'd say it was somebody else except the posture and the G 'n' R tatoo looks right.

soupcan Feb 03 2006 01:10 PM

Elster88 wrote: Yeah, AC/DC rocked too while I was in my high chair. Ouch.

seawolf17 Feb 03 2006 01:13 PM

="Elster88"]Yeah, AC/DC rocked too while I was in my high chair.

Willets Point Feb 03 2006 01:27 PM

Anyone have any Stones' favorites they want to see or should I just stick with the same list as before? Also, should these be ranked 1-10 or 10-1? I ranked them 1 to 10 in the previous competitions.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 03 2006 01:30 PM

As sponsor you should make the picks yourself and perhaps to learn from the last challenge.

soupcan Feb 03 2006 01:33 PM

Since you asked - 'Out of Time' from Flowers 'Dead Flowers' - the version on the 'Stripped' album is beyond fabulous. Pretty much anything from Some Girls. I'm a sucker for 'Emotional Rescue'.

cooby Feb 03 2006 01:36 PM

Willets good luck coming up with the best 10 Stones songs, there are just too many of them...

Willets Point Feb 03 2006 01:37 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: As sponsor you should make the picks yourself and perhaps to learn from the last challenge. Well, what I learened from the last challenge is that no one likes the Rolling Stones songs I like but that people like the Rolling Stones. But if you're going to be that way I'll just wing it.

soupcan Feb 03 2006 01:42 PM

[url=www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4595384/]We can definitly do a better job than this guy....[/url] 1. The Beatles 2. The Rolling Stones 3. U2 4. The Grateful Dead 5. Velvet Underground 6. Led Zeppelin 7. The Ramones 8. Pink Floyd 9. Bob Marley and the Wailers 10. Sly and the Family Stone

cooby Feb 03 2006 01:43 PM

What about Aerosmith?

sharpie Feb 03 2006 01:59 PM

Stop being a wanker, Willets. No soliciting from the crowd.

Willets Point Feb 03 2006 02:01 PM

The songs are already up.

seawolf17 Feb 03 2006 02:07 PM

cooby wrote: What about Aerosmith? I nominated Aerosmith a while ago... I'll take them when the time comes.

Edgy DC Feb 03 2006 03:04 PM

OK, if form hlods, the all-time forever greatest rock-era bands will look like this after today. 1) The Rolling Stones 2) The Doors 3) Queen 4) Led Zeppelin 5) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers 6) U2 7) Guns and Roses We have a challenge coming from Seawolf and Aerosmith. Do you want the Gunners who you helped spawn, or do you want to aim higher?

Elster88 Feb 03 2006 04:11 PM

I don't get this. How in a ladder competition do you enter in the middle of the ladder?

Edgy DC Feb 03 2006 04:24 PM

I proposed a rule that a band sponsor could challenge futher up on the ladder with the caveat that they don't move up at all if they lose. Nobody objected. It would grow more than a mite tedious if the Beatles were entered fifteenth but they had to win 14 races to challenge for the top slot.

soupcan Feb 06 2006 11:05 PM

seawolf17 wrote: I nominated Aerosmith a while ago... I'll take them when the time comes. The time has come.

HahnSolo Feb 07 2006 09:50 AM

So we don't have to challenge the next up on the rung? I want to get U2 a little action, but I don't want to challenge Petty. No offense to Petty, but they were just in a challenge. And if I take on, say, Zeppelin, and lose, does U2 stay where they are, or do they fall? Apparently I need a refresher course on ladder challenges.

cooby Feb 07 2006 09:51 AM

I think Queen needs to go.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 07 2006 10:18 AM

Nominate somebody to take them down then.

cooby Feb 07 2006 10:25 AM

Easy. Jimi Hendrix Experience

Johnny Dickshot Feb 07 2006 10:30 AM

OK. When you have your 10-song lineup, post in a new thread. I will counter with a reconfigured Queen lineup, unlike the last time where Willets Point bum-rushed me

cooby Feb 07 2006 10:31 AM

Okay, gimme a few days, I can't do this at work. Friday am

sharpie Feb 07 2006 10:34 AM

Cooby goes with a band that put out only 3 albums (+ some great live stuff that didn't show up on the albums and which would count).

cooby Feb 07 2006 10:36 AM

Oh yeah, in Jimi I trust

Edgy DC Feb 07 2006 10:57 AM

Gotta be the Experience only. No Band o' Gypsies selections.

sharpie Feb 07 2006 10:58 AM

No Jimi at Woodstock either. Or anything from "Cry of Love."

Edgy DC Feb 07 2006 10:59 AM

I think a band's initial challenge can be anywhere on the ladder (though they stick at the bottom if they lose), but after that, it should be one rung at a time. You can take another whack at the Heartbreakers. They can take it. I'll even juggle my lineup.

cooby Feb 07 2006 11:05 AM

sharpie wrote: No Jimi at Woodstock either. Uh, yeah, right.

soupcan Feb 07 2006 11:13 AM

I've got a question - is this just bands or individuals as well? Because if its just bands, then does Jimi qualify? And if Jimi qualifies so does Dylan, etc. I don't have a problem with it, just trying to clarify.

HahnSolo Feb 07 2006 11:13 AM

Ok, then, U2 is ready to challenge Tom Petty and the boys. Edgy, would you like to start the thread? Here is my lineup, with one slight change to my original list from way back when. The groundswell of support for Bad gets it into my top ten. One New Year’s Day I Will Follow Where the Streets Have No Name Vertigo The Unforgettable Fire Walk On The Fly Bad Sunday Bloody Sunday

sharpie Feb 07 2006 11:16 AM

]I've got a question - is this just bands or individuals as well? Because if its just bands, then does Jimi qualify? And if Jimi qualifies so does Dylan, etc. I don't have a problem with it, just trying to clarify Bands only. That's why Cooby can only use songs by the Jimi Hendrix Experience, not any of his later solo or Band of Gypsies material.

metirish Feb 07 2006 11:18 AM

Hasn't Tom Petty taken enough of a beating, is he still in this game?

cooby Feb 07 2006 11:21 AM

sharpie wrote: ]I've got a question - is this just bands or individuals as well? Because if its just bands, then does Jimi qualify? And if Jimi qualifies so does Dylan, etc. I don't have a problem with it, just trying to clarify Bands only. That's why Cooby can only use songs by the Jimi Hendrix Experience, not any of his later solo or Band of Gypsies material. No problemo

seawolf17 Feb 08 2006 10:32 AM

I'm going to have Aerosmith take on Queen, because I think they can beat Queen, knowing full well that Zeppelin will come along and knock them out of that spot. We'll wait to see what happens with Queen and Hendrix.

Edgy DC Feb 08 2006 10:36 AM

]Hasn't Tom Petty taken enough of a beating, is he still in this game? Petty won't back down No he won't back down You can stand Tom up at the gates of Hell But he won't back down

cooby Feb 08 2006 10:36 AM

And U2 is waiting to take on Tom Petty...

Willets Point Feb 08 2006 10:43 AM

Edgy DC wrote: ]Hasn't Tom Petty taken enough of a beating, is he still in this game? Petty won't back down No he won't back down You can stand Tom up at the gates of Hell But he won't back down Sure, but how can Petty count on the Heartbreakers (they break hearts after all). They'll probably wuss out leaving Petty singing that song alone and getting his ass whooped.

Edgy DC Feb 09 2006 09:57 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 09 2006 10:17 AM

1) The Rolling Stones (sponsored by Willets Point) 2) The Doors (sponsored by sharpie) 3) The Jimi Hendrix Experience (sponsored by cooby) 4) Queen (sponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 5) Led Zeppelin (sponsored by Soupcan) 6) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers (sponsored by Edgy DC) 7) U2 (sponsored by HahnSolo) 8) Guns and Roses (sponsored by Elster88)

soupcan Feb 09 2006 10:08 AM

The only reason Guns n' Roses is on this list is because no one has challenged. PLEASE someone knock them off this list. We still need entries from: The Who The Police The Beatles The Grateful Dead I mean c'mon already.

Edgy DC Feb 09 2006 10:17 AM

I figger after we get ten bands, sponsors can start taking a second band, if they like.

sharpie Feb 09 2006 10:29 AM

Irish, Seawolf, Reality Chuck, any other regular voters, come on, sponsor a damn band. Loads of them out there just waiting for your sponsorship.

HahnSolo Feb 09 2006 10:39 AM

Okay, after last night's Grammy success, I can no longer stand to see U2 listed below Tom Petty. Hence the challenge is on. I will start a new thread.

soupcan Feb 09 2006 10:41 AM

Hawkmoon 269

Lundy Feb 09 2006 10:58 AM

I'd like to sponsor Steely Dan.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 09 2006 10:58 AM

I've got like 5 bands in mind to join this competition. I think if we all grab a few, and try to do say 2-3 challenges a week for a year, we'd have like, the coolest NBF project ever. You don't have to "champion" a band to enter them in this thing (really if you like em too much, it might hurt) -- just appreciate it and have a curiousness as to where they really exist. Hot Corner, Frayed Knot, others ... Grab a band, any band ... NOW!!!! edit -- Good job Lundy for pre-answering my call to action!

sharpie Feb 09 2006 11:07 AM

Multiple sponsorships make it a little difficult. For argument's sake let's say Dickshot takes Dire Straits. Can he then have Dire Straits go up against Queen? I think in that instance he would have to hand off Queen to someone who would provide a proxy Queen list.

HahnSolo Feb 09 2006 11:08 AM

]Hawkmoon 269 That's the second time you've mentioned that song. Personally, from Rattle and Hum, I like God Part 2 and Heartland more.

Edgy DC Feb 09 2006 11:12 AM

Lundy, binging jazz to a rock fight. Good luck. So I say, it goes like this. Once we get ten bandages. We invite challenges in. If nobody is looking to challenge in, we go to the top of the list. "Willets, do you want to further challenge with the Stones, or do you want to bring a new band in?" He's at the top so he'll pick the latter. Sharpie, do you want to go after the Stones or challenge in with a new band? He could go either way? Why pick a futile fight when you can instead haul out your great Eurythmics experiment or ride the Steppenwolf carpet? I don't need to say, it'll soon stink if it's everyone against Tom Petty. But I asked for that, didn't I?

Edgy DC Feb 09 2006 11:14 AM

"Heartland," atmospheric and Eno-riffic U2 in the middle of their roots album. Sometimes it hits me like a beautiful sunrise, sometimes it throws cold water on my riddim-and-blues rockout.

soupcan Feb 09 2006 11:16 AM

HahnSolo wrote: That's the second time you've mentioned that song. Personally, from Rattle and Hum, I like God Part 2 and Heartland more. God Part II is great as well, I'm just partial to Hawkmoon.

Willets Point Feb 09 2006 11:18 AM

I've already washed my hands of the Stones.

cooby Feb 09 2006 11:20 AM

Steely Dan, that's a good idea.

seawolf17 Feb 09 2006 11:29 AM

Steely Dan?!?! Steely Dan is not in the Top 10, Top 25, Top 100 of all-time rock bands. They're just not.

cooby Feb 09 2006 11:31 AM

What does that horrible mutant have to do with David Weathers?

Edgy DC Feb 09 2006 11:38 AM

The Dan's place will be decided on the field of honor. My concern is whether they qualify as a band.

Willets Point Feb 09 2006 11:40 AM

They're actually a vibrator.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 09 2006 11:57 AM

Steely Dan? ... I'll allow it. Two common members and common, if non-band, contributors (Stanley whathisname on Sax and Steve Gadd). Common singers and songwriters. Enough albums to qualify.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 09 2006 12:00 PM

We ought to be fine with passing off sponsorship of a particular band to a guest coach in the event of a sponsor showdown. If Jack Roush can manage 5 cars all going for the Nascar championship, shirley we can handle a Dire Straits-Queen matchup.

sharpie Feb 09 2006 12:02 PM

Yeah, and it would be kind of interesting to see what songs your proxy sponsor picks.

soupcan Feb 09 2006 12:03 PM

Good. I've got my eye on a few other bands out there.

Edgy DC Feb 09 2006 12:05 PM

Well, no large objection here, but the Steely Dan precedent of allowing duos with touring companies may long be rued when Roxxette and Loggins and Messina start picking off self-contained acts in year three of the Challenge. (Hall & Oates, for my purposes are a band, as long as albums billed to Daryl Hall and John Oates are disqualified.) Oh, sure, nobody's looking to get Loggins and Messina and Roxxette and H&O in now, but just you wiat. More serious band/not a band conficts: Crosby, Stills, & Nash? Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young? (And can these two acts fight as one? Tears for Fears? Simon & Garfunkel? The Carpenters? Wham! I like "band" to mean that that they can and do perform in a self-containted manner, without necessarily needing non-bandmembers to flesh them out.

seawolf17 Feb 09 2006 12:08 PM

="Edgy DC"]Crosby, Stills, & Nash? Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young? (And can these two acts fight as one? Tears for Fears? Simon & Garfunkel? The Carpenters? Wham! I like "band" to mean that that they can and do perform in a self-containted manner, without necessarily needing non-bandmembers to flesh them out. Can we please please please keep Wham! and the Carpenters out of this discussion? Gimme a break. Maybe Steely Dan is Top 100... Wham! ain't top 200. Once again, I reiterate: Aerosmith will battle Queen once Hendrix is done with them.

Edgy DC Feb 09 2006 12:16 PM

="seawolf17"]Can we please please please keep Wham! and the Carpenters out of this discussion? Seawolf, revealing a soft spot for Roxxette.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 09 2006 12:42 PM

They prolly can't go toe-toe with a rock act from our little universe here but I'll say it right now: The Carpenters have 10 pop singles that wouldn't be shameful in any competition. They're my 2011 upset pick over the Eagles.

sharpie Feb 09 2006 12:51 PM

I think Crosby, Stills and Nash can include the CSNY stuff. They'll still get creamed.

Edgy DC Feb 09 2006 01:10 PM

The Mamas and the Papas? Peter, Paul, and Mary? See, one reason I think we should disqualify vocal groups who aren't really bands is that I don't want to see us making exceptions for white folk-rock crossovers and not for black soul-rock cross-overs. Is there a yes to Simon & Garfunkle but a no to Sam & Dave? Then things'll get ugly and Millie Bonilla and Sheila Foster will be on our butts. But obviously the Dan was no vocal duo. So do they get an exception, based on the fact that, though they weren't self-contained, the members all played some'n. That exception, I guess, also welcomes in They Might Be Giants, the Dixie Chicks, and the Carpenters. And maybe PPM get in based on the majority of the three being instrumentalists, but the Mamas and the Papas and the Coasters get disqualified based on the majority being vocalists only. I could think this crap through all day, I guess.

sharpie Feb 09 2006 01:13 PM

I say let PP&M and S&G and the M&theP in if someone wants to back them. If you want to hold their needing backup guys against them, so be it.

Edgy DC Feb 09 2006 01:26 PM

Fair enough. That goes for the Temps, Tops, Miracles, Coasters, Spinners, and Wilson Phillips, then? Boyzone? Northsyde? Silk? Shai? Jacksons?

sharpie Feb 09 2006 01:29 PM

Absolutely. Temps rule.

Willets Point Feb 09 2006 01:35 PM

I'd let in any of these groups whether they be duos, trios, or George Clinton and his 50-artist P-Funk All-Stars. Not that I'm sponsoring any myself.

Edgy DC Feb 09 2006 01:41 PM

Well, the issue I raise is the move from bands (as the challenge title puts it) to groups.

Lundy Feb 09 2006 01:44 PM

Well, Steely Dan is in my personal Top 10, and they're in the RnRHOF. They absolutely belong in this ladder competition.

sharpie Feb 09 2006 01:47 PM

Challengs somebody, Lundy.

seawolf17 Feb 09 2006 02:00 PM

I'm not holding their duosity against them. I'm holding their suckosity against them. NOBODY puts Peter, Paul, or Mary -- in any combination -- in ANY list of the Greatest Bands Of All Time. Should we include big bands? The Duke Ellington Orchestra? You can't compare Led Zeppelin to the Carpenters; it's apples and oranges. If this is best pop bands, then fine. Then Zep's not in this. If this is best rock bands, then Zep and the Dan are in, the Carpenters and Wham! are out.

Willets Point Feb 09 2006 02:01 PM

="Edgy DC"]Well, the issue I raise is the move from bands (as the challenge title puts it) to groups. Only you would be anal enough to parse these words that anyone else would see as synonyms.

sharpie Feb 09 2006 02:13 PM

On the covers of the LPs of the early Beatle albums it would read: File under Pop, Rock, Vocal Groups. Led Zep can go up against Carpenters. That's kind of the fun of this. Carpenters would likely lose but still...

Edgy DC Feb 09 2006 02:14 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 09 2006 02:16 PM

]Only you would be anal enough to parse these words that anyone else would see as synonyms. Couldn't be true. Hey, I just don't want to vote against the Miracles whom I love to bits because I think they ain't a band and others dooby-do.

cooby Feb 09 2006 02:15 PM

sharpie wrote: Led Zep can go up against Carpenters. That's kind of the fun of this. Carpenters would likely lose but still... I think we should do it, just for fun!

sharpie Feb 09 2006 02:23 PM

First we'd need someone who knows 10 Carpenters songs.

cooby Feb 09 2006 02:24 PM

Good point

Edgy DC Feb 09 2006 02:28 PM

Billboard, meanwhile, just announced that Barry Manilow has topped the album charts for the first time in 29 years.

metirish Feb 09 2006 02:35 PM

And in a world gone crazy A-HA are top of the UK charts, a stunning comback for them, they caused mayhem when they did a signing at HMV in London a few weeks back, 7 to 8 thousand showed up.

HahnSolo Feb 09 2006 02:37 PM

You mean the "Take On Me" A Ha?

Lundy Feb 09 2006 02:39 PM

I think Steely Dan-Aerosmith would make for an interesting matchup. Two bands from the 70s who experienced a resurgence later on in their careers. Does Aerosmith have a sponsor yet?

metirish Feb 09 2006 02:39 PM

yes....read this now! http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/music/news/article342125.ece

Willets Point Feb 09 2006 02:42 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 09 2006 03:06 PM

A Carpenters top 10: 10. For All We Know 9. It's Going To Take Some Time 8. Hurting Each Other 7. Merry Christmas, Darling 6. Rainy Days And Mondays 5. Sing (better known as Big Bird's song on Sesame Street) 4. Superstar (there's a kickass cover by the Sonic Youth) 3. We've Only Just Begun 2. (They Long To Be) Close To You 1. Top Of The World OE: Revised by popular demand.

soupcan Feb 09 2006 02:54 PM

Lundy wrote: I think Steely Dan-Aerosmith would make for an interesting matchup. Two bands from the 70s who experienced a resurgence later on in their careers. Does Aerosmith have a sponsor yet? Well Seawolf has said he'd do them but we've yet to see a list -cough, cough... And while I'm here, Guns n' Roses is on the list with no song list for them ever posted. Remove them I say!

cooby Feb 09 2006 02:57 PM

That's really a kinda good Carpenters list...

Willets Point Feb 09 2006 02:59 PM

cooby wrote: That's really a kinda good Carpenters list... To be perfectly honest I only know the top 7 songs on that list and only like the top 6. The other three sounded vaguely familiar and were original compositions.

sharpie Feb 09 2006 03:00 PM

What, no "Merry Christmas, Darling"?

soupcan Feb 09 2006 03:02 PM

cooby wrote: That's really a kinda good Carpenters list... Okay, enough. Next thing you know Dan Fogelberg's gonna be sticking his nose in here.

Edgy DC Feb 09 2006 03:04 PM

Another vote here for "Merry Christmas, Darling".

Johnny Dickshot Feb 09 2006 03:07 PM

I actually own a greatest-hits Carpenters package, picked up impulsively from the discount rack, and it reminds me of being in kindergarten. In retrospect, Karen had the pipes to carry anything, and the songs they sung might have been better served were they not produced so wussily. I mean "We've Only Just Begun" and "Superstar" and a few others are classic little melodies at heart, just bit too cheezy.

cooby Feb 09 2006 03:08 PM

That ooooooowwaaaaaaa in the background always turned me off.

Willets Point Feb 09 2006 03:09 PM

cooby wrote: That ooooooowwaaaaaaa in the background always turned me off. Which song?

cooby Feb 09 2006 03:11 PM

Pretty much all of them, if you listen closely.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 09 2006 03:15 PM

Sharin' horizons that are new to us Watchin' the signs along the way (ooooooo-waaaaaaaah) Talkin' it over just the two of us (ohh-WAA-ahh-a-a-a) Workin' together day to day

cooby Feb 09 2006 03:15 PM

See, Johnny's heard it!

Edgy DC Feb 09 2006 03:20 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Feb 09 2006 09:31 PM

Richard Carpenter's greatest moment came early in their career coming up with a smart interesting re-arrangement of "Ticket to Ride" at a time when the Beatles catalog was being covered everyewhere with terrible arrangements that people just didn't want to hear anyway --- as many of them just detracted from the public's warm-fuzzy memories of original Beatles versions at a time when folks were begrudgingly getting used to the idea of Beatle-free world. After that, he just kept relaunching his sister on cheesey pop rocket rides, that left no room for --- among other things --- her drumming jones to come through. An occasional superfluous chime on "Ticket to Ride" only thinly hints of the schmaltz to come. Cool fact --- the carpenters were originally The Richard Carpenter Trio, a jazz combo featuring Richard on piano and Karen scratching the skins with her brushes. Karen was also a rare (at the time) unreconstucted alto in a universe of soprano and wannabe soprano songbirds.

Willets Point Feb 09 2006 03:37 PM

Edgy shows a lot of Carpenters' knowledge here. Soon we'll see The Lemon Pipers and Tommy James and the Shondelles entering the ladder.

sharpie Feb 09 2006 03:46 PM

Ten Tommy James and the Shondells songs: I Think We're Alone Now Hanky Panky Draggin' the Line Crimson and Clover Crystal Blue Persuasion Mony Mony Mirage Sweet Cherry Wine Ball of Fire Gettin' Together Lemon Pipers, um, "Green Tambourine"

Edgy DC Feb 09 2006 04:34 PM

Top Ten Lemon Pipers songs: Jelly Jungle (of Orange Marmalade) Rice is Nice Lovebeads and Meditation Green Tambourine Blueberry Blue Dead End Street/Half-Light Hard Core Catch Me Falling I Was Not Born To Follow Lonely Atmosphere I really do know this catalog. In my youth, I was part of a failed project to film a This Is Spinal Tap ripoff based on the Pipers. The script is in somebody's basement waiting endlessly for a green light. I was to play the trusted plaid-and-combover manager Mendelsohn "Cheeseburger" Friend.

Willets Point Feb 09 2006 04:37 PM

Pipers versus Carpenters NOW!!!!

Edgy DC Feb 09 2006 04:46 PM

The first album we had of theirs for the documentary had no credits so we named them (l to r): Professor Excellent, Jesus, Bong McBowlcut, Trippin Wiggz, and Mr. Groovey. Notice their cover-art influence on Orleans.

cooby Feb 09 2006 04:48 PM

Edgy DC wrote: The first album we had of theirs for the documentary had no credits so we named them (l to r): Professor Excellent, Jesus, Bong McBowlcut, Trippin Wiggz, and Mr. Groovey. Notice their cover-art influence on Orleans. I always pictured them as the suit wearing early 60's type band. I don't think I like Green Tambourine anymore

sharpie Feb 09 2006 05:36 PM

Tommy James can and will kick the Carpenters or the Pipers ass anytime anywhere.

cooby Feb 09 2006 07:18 PM

You know, while I was in line at the grocery store, I got to thinking about the Mamas and Papas...

soupcan Feb 10 2006 09:26 AM

Edgy DC wrote: 1) The Rolling Stones (sponsored by Willets Point) 2) The Doors (sponsored by sharpie) 3) The Jimi Hendrix Experience (sponsored by cooby) 4) Queen (sponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 5) Led Zeppelin (sponsored by Soupcan) 6) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers (sponsored by Edgy DC) 7) U2 (sponsored by HahnSolo) 8) Guns and Roses (sponsored by Elster88) Again I petition the removal of GnR from this list unless and until we at least get a list of songs from them.

sharpie Feb 10 2006 12:31 PM

Aerosmith (with sponsor Seawolf) should replace the not-arriving GNR. Lundy's Steely Dan needs to challenge someone.

Lundy Feb 10 2006 12:44 PM

Well I thought I challenged Aerosmith, but they apparently had a date with Queen. How 'bout your Doors, Sharpie?

Elster88 Feb 10 2006 12:45 PM

What do you want? A list? A challenge? What?

sharpie Feb 10 2006 12:47 PM

Lundy, ok, you can challenge the Doors. As the challenger you put your list up first. Elster, you've got to challenge someone on the list and then after that challenge is accepted you put your list up.

cooby Feb 10 2006 03:07 PM

Edgy, before I forget due to the pending "Blizzard of 2006", I want to compliment you on the cool Challenge charts you have come up with.

Edgy DC Feb 10 2006 03:48 PM

Grazie. Old rawk posters are fun.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 10 2006 10:57 PM

I'm way behind on this thing and loved reading it through. I want in. I kinda want the Beach Boys, but the Byrds intrigue the heck out of me, too. I'll figure something out during this Clipper game and maybe even challenge some punk-ass band to throw-down.

Edgy DC Feb 10 2006 11:02 PM

Before long, we'll all be sporting more than one band. Maybe we should alternate --- grab one band that intrigues us as to where they actually belong, and then one band we really want to kick everybody's asses. Changeup, fastball, changeup, fastball.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 10 2006 11:28 PM

Fuck, I was hoping the Byrds would be my secret weapon. Nobody would see them coming then ... WHAM. Upset City.

soupcan Feb 10 2006 11:30 PM

Beach Boys - DEFINITELY a top 10 band. If we're grabbing second bands I'd like dibs on The Police. Unless some who is not representin' a band at the present time would like them. In which case I'm more than happy to step aside.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 11 2006 12:12 AM

The Byrds, I don't know, they're a wild card for sure. They had a revolving cast of players, scored big with covers, and dipped successfully in a few different genres. Admittedly I don't know all their stuff cold and might Grady LIttle too heavily on Gram Parsons. JD, if you want 'em, I won't fight you.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 11 2006 12:54 AM

You can have 'em. I have other sleepers in mind. I do think the Byrds will do well.

Edgy DC Feb 11 2006 08:49 AM

I think Willets gets first crack at second bands. Or should we start from the bottom?

soupcan Feb 11 2006 10:13 AM

Let Willets pick first.

sharpie Feb 13 2006 09:15 AM

We haven't totally established this ladder yet, have we? It seems like some bands have had one challenge and others like four or five.

cooby Feb 13 2006 09:19 AM

What do you guys think of KISS? Are they a good band? (I personally don't like them, I'm just throwing out a suggestion for someone else)

sharpie Feb 13 2006 09:41 AM

I can't imagine they would finish above any of the bands that are already out there. At least I hope they wouldn't.

Edgy DC Feb 13 2006 09:54 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 13 2006 11:01 AM

]What do you guys think of KISS? Are they a good band? Kiss is an amazing phenomenon, with more than one or two good songs in their catalog. Their records sound terribly cheaply made in an era when Jimmy Page was making masterpieces with Zeppelin in a mobile studio. Ace Frehley seemed to be able to play a little and Peter Criss maybe a little more, but the other two were hacks (and they were the ones who stuck around) and, if you believe what many rock musicians seem to believe, they used unbillied session musicians to cover for them on all their records --- even the "live" ones. Gotta give credit somewhere, though, as they rode a gimmick pretty far, Barnum-wise. I don't think this list is starving for the majesty of KISS just yet, though.

Willets Point Feb 13 2006 10:56 AM

I want to settle the whole "band" argument before I make another selection so we can avoid further nitpicking. I'm for a pretty liberal definition such as follows: "For the purposes of this challenge a 'band' will be defined as any musical entity of two or more persons that recorded 10 or more songs in the rock & roll era (1954-present) of music that can be classified as rock or any of its related genres (ex. soul, funk, hiphop, doowop, folk rock, psychedelia, r&b, disco, soft/lite rock, metal, punk, new wave, contemporary Christian, rockabilly, blues rock, et al)." Does anyone second me?

soupcan Feb 13 2006 10:57 AM

Can we get an updated ladder por favor? OE: I second Willet's emotion.

Edgy DC Feb 13 2006 11:04 AM

My counter-nomination includes Willets' definition with the clauses, "two or more of the members being insturmentalists, with the band having evidenced a capacity to perform without non-members augmenting their sound." Them clauses may or may not eliminate KISS.

Willets Point Feb 13 2006 11:06 AM

You just don't want the Temptations to be a part of this do you?

Edgy DC Feb 13 2006 11:09 AM

1) The Rolling Stones (sponsored by Willets Point) 2) The Doors (sponsored by sharpie) 3) The Jimi Hendrix Experience (sponsored by cooby) 4) Queen (sponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 5) Led Zeppelin (sponsored by Soupcan) 6) U2 (sponsored by HahnSolo) 7) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers (sponsored by Edgy DC) 8) Guns and Roses (sponsored by Elster88) Queen has lost to the Experience. The Heartbrekers have lost to U2. The Dan is getting beaten by the Doors, but I think that's still on the board based on the Crane Pool history of holding the voting clock over the weekend. G 'n' R's position is under protest, and the argument does have some merit that a vanquished Steely Dan shouldn't fall below them, the Dan having at least battled and the Guns still stalling in the dressing room.

Frayed Knot Feb 13 2006 11:16 AM

Whenever I meet a KISS fan I always tell them that my younger brother was into them ... and then he turned 13.

cooby Feb 13 2006 11:16 AM

Gimmick band, that's just what I was thinking about them.

sharpie Feb 13 2006 11:28 AM

Shouldn't Aerosmith (sponsored by Seawolf) be on that list?

seawolf17 Feb 13 2006 11:31 AM

They should be fifth, I think, since Queen just kicked their ass. edit: Hey! I'm Rickey! I wish Elster hadn't done twenty "Rickey" posts so recently, or I'd bring back the tradition.

Edgy DC Feb 13 2006 11:32 AM

Nopes. If you challenge up on the list on your intitial try, you drop to the bottom if you fail.

Edgy DC Feb 13 2006 11:34 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 13 2006 09:45 PM

1) The Rolling Stones (sponsored by Willets Point) 2) The Doors (sponsored by sharpie) 3) The Jimi Hendrix Experience (sponsored by cooby) 4) Queen (sponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 5) Led Zeppelin (sponsored by Soupcan) 6) U2 (sponsored by HahnSolo) 7) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers (sponsored by Edgy DC) 8) Aerosmith (sponsored by Seawolf17) 9) Guns and Roses (sponsored by Elster88) Elster88, please challenge and get the Gunners on the board.

Willets Point Feb 13 2006 01:41 PM

I vote against the Edgy rider. Does anyone else have any input at all?

seawolf17 Feb 13 2006 01:48 PM

The "lose and fall to the bottom" rider? I thought if you lost, you fall in the slot behind where you attacked.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 13 2006 01:48 PM

A band that loses its challenge has to maintain its prior place. Otherwise, we'd all shoot for No. 1 just to get your band No. 2. It goes to learn ya not to overreach.

sharpie Feb 13 2006 01:59 PM

I vote against the Edgy rider also. That would not only eliminate the Temptations (why?) but also the Beach Boys who always used extra musicians both in the studio and in concert.

Edgy DC Feb 13 2006 02:05 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 14 2006 04:15 PM

The rule that you can't move up by initially challenging high and losing was suggested on page six and page nine without objection. The clauses elminating non-instrumental acts may well be voted down. But it would not eliminate the Beach Boys.

soupcan Feb 13 2006 02:06 PM

I vote against any proviso that eliminates the Beach Boys

seawolf17 Feb 13 2006 02:15 PM

Is this bands, as in "rock bands," or "groups of musicians"? I think we need to reasonably restrict it to rock bands. You can't compare The Temptations and Led Zeppelin. I'd think the Beach Boys count -- it's lite rock, but it's still in the greater scope of rock -- but the Four Tops don't, and Peter, Paul and Mary don't. On the other thing... I thought it made sense -- at least at first -- to challenge where you think the band fits, then let the chips fall. I thought Queen was too high; so I put up Aerosmith to knock them down to five, then Zep would knock them down next. (Then Zep would eventually knock Aerosmith back also.) This is too confusing.

sharpie Feb 13 2006 02:26 PM

OK, maybe later we can have a singing group competition or a non-rock competition which could have the 4 Tops, Peter Paul & Mary and the Carpenters.

Willets Point Feb 13 2006 02:31 PM

The Temptations, Four Tops and Beach Boys are all rock bands to me. All in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame too. We need to be inclusive because there is no standard definition of rock and roll and if we have to argue about whether a band is "rock" or "a band" before they even compete then the whole thing is just stupid. If you don't like the band, then don't vote for them in the challenge. The best will rise to the top anyway so there's no point in barring entrance because some group doesn't meet your own personal standards of "rock."

cooby Feb 13 2006 02:40 PM

How about any bunch of guys that sings and has a studio arrangement for music would be a "group" A bunch of guys that sings and plays would be a "band" We could have two different themes going.

Lenny Harris Feb 13 2006 08:01 PM

hi i just joined for the band ladder

metirish Feb 13 2006 08:03 PM

Hey Lenny, welcome, you going to Spring Training this year?

Lenny Harris Feb 13 2006 08:03 PM

I want to sponser Pink Floyd

Lenny Harris Feb 13 2006 08:03 PM

no, im 13

Lenny Harris Feb 13 2006 08:05 PM

Can i challenge Aerosmith? im not sure how this works

metirish Feb 13 2006 08:10 PM

Floyd is a great choice, throw up your 10 fave Floyd songs and see what happens.

Lenny Harris Feb 13 2006 08:13 PM

1. Wish You Were Here 2. Money 3. Another Brick in the Wall (part 2) 4. Comfertably Numb 5. Time 6. See Emily Play 7. Echoes 8. Astronomy Domine 9. Welcome to the Machine 10. Breathe

Edgy DC Feb 13 2006 08:32 PM

Welcome, Lenny Harris. We await Aerosmith's response.

soupcan Feb 13 2006 10:30 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 14 2006 09:53 AM

How does a 13 year old get into Pink Floyd in 2006? I think its great! Your dad is probably so proud! Keep it up Lenny! The future looks brighter because of kids like you! (Better?)

Rockin' Doc Feb 13 2006 11:27 PM

So many bands to choose from, it's hard to decide. Several bands came to mind including the obvious choices of the Beatles or the Who, but I wanted to go with someone that wasn't so quite so loaded. I'm going to adopt Van Halen and jump into the fray. I need to put together a line up and then I'll decide where to jump in.

sharpie Feb 14 2006 09:11 AM

Full disclosure. Lenny Harris is my son (Lenny Harris the Pink Floyd fan, not Lenny Harris the pinch-hitter). You'd be surprised how many 13 year old boys these days listen to Pink Floyd, without controlled substances. He burned a few of my vinyl PF albums last summer and got "The Wall" for Christmas. It's heard around the house quite a bit, though mostly in his room. He's also a Who, Nirvana, Talking Heads, Clash and White Stripes fan. He had heard about the ladder contest and asked to see it and mentioned that he wanted to put up Pink Floyd. I didn't know until I got here this morning that he had actually done it.

cooby Feb 14 2006 09:17 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 14 2006 09:32 AM

I'm not surprised...the old stuff is the best and that is what the smart kids like! Welcome Lenny!

Edgy DC Feb 14 2006 09:27 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 14 2006 09:37 AM

My first thought: "Bet this guy is shapie's son." He's not Lenny Harris. He's Mike Sharperson. Aerosmith are totally backing down here.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 14 2006 09:28 AM

Welcome abordick to the machine, Sharpie Jr.

soupcan Feb 14 2006 09:48 AM

sharpie wrote: Full disclosure. Lenny Harris is my son (Lenny Harris the Pink Floyd fan, not Lenny Harris the pinch-hitter). You'd be surprised how many 13 year old boys these days listen to Pink Floyd, without controlled substances. He burned a few of my vinyl PF albums last summer and got "The Wall" for Christmas. It's heard around the house quite a bit, though mostly in his room. He's also a Who, Nirvana, Talking Heads, Clash and White Stripes fan. He had heard about the ladder contest and asked to see it and mentioned that he wanted to put up Pink Floyd. I didn't know until I got here this morning that he had actually done it. Oops. Um, Sorry. Just say no to drugs Lenny!

sharpie Feb 14 2006 09:50 AM

If you want to edit your earlier post, that would be good.

ScarletKnight41 Feb 14 2006 10:24 AM

Welcome aboard Lenny :)

Edgy DC Feb 14 2006 10:36 AM

I was at the gym this morning and some entertainment magazine had a profile on Ray Davies. The story included a sidebar on the ten most essential Kinks songs. Perhaps I should enter the Kinks on behalf of Entertainment Weekly.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 14 2006 10:46 AM

Everyone wants Johnny's darkhorses. Not to worry I have others.

soupcan Feb 14 2006 10:52 AM

The Kinks are no darkhorse.

sharpie Feb 14 2006 11:03 AM

I was thinking Kinkin myself. Let's wait, however, til we have this ladder sorted out afore we have second bands. Me and Lenny Harris and the rest of the clan are leaving for Mexico on Friday and won't be back til the 27th so if anyone wants to challenge the Doors or the Floyd they should get moving.

Edgy DC Feb 14 2006 11:07 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 14 2006 11:26 AM

I'll be honest. I've run with an interesting dark horse in Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers and been battered for my trouble. Next opportunity I get, I'm grabbing the fastest stallion in the stable. My thinking is that, when no new entrants join, the sponsor of the top band gets to choose his or her second. But maybe we should start at the bottom, "loser's ball" seeming like a sporting thing to do. Entertainment Weekly's "Kinks Klassics": "Waterloo Sunset" (1967) "Days" (1968) "Big Sky" (1968) "Victoria" (1969) "Sunny Afternoon" (1966) "This Is Where I Belong" (1967) "Tired of Waiting for You" (1965) "Lola" (1970) "Celluloid Heroes" (1972) "You Really Got Me (1964) Their position: that the Kinks "practically created both heavy metal thunder and 'twee' rock" and that it's "hard to imagine either Van Halen or Belle and Sebastian existing without them." My position: maybe.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 14 2006 11:10 AM

I'm not trying to "win" this contest: I just wanna see where the chips fall. So I'll take anyone. Maybe the Byrds. Perhaps the Kinks. Maybe Squeeze.

Edgy DC Feb 14 2006 11:24 AM

Yeah I know, and I'm curious about the Cure, arythmiatic about Eurythmics, and pretending that the Pretenders were actually a band in any strong sense after their first two albums, but choosing from one unimpeachable catalog would be nice.

sharpie Feb 14 2006 11:33 AM

Any Kinks list that doesn't contain "Apeman" is no Kinks list.

seawolf17 Feb 14 2006 11:41 AM

The "influence" thing is what makes lists like this such a great argument. Without the Stones, there is no Aerosmith. Without Aerosmith, there is no Guns N Roses. So where does "greatness" come from? Is it influence? You could make a strong case for the Velvet Underground, who didn't sell a million bajillion records, but are cited as influences by a lot of other bands. Without the VU, is there a Sex Pistols? Green Day? Nirvana? Pixies? You could go on forever, and never get a right answer. That's why this whole thread is far from scientific, but a hell of a good time anyway.

soupcan Feb 14 2006 12:08 PM

Edgy you can't go wrong with The Beatles or The Who and they are both up for grabs.

sharpie Feb 14 2006 12:17 PM

I hope no one does the Beatles. I think it's more interesting to have battles between the near pantheon bands rather than the pantheon bands.

soupcan Feb 14 2006 12:23 PM

="Entertainment Weekly"] "Waterloo Sunset" (1967) "Days" (1968) "Big Sky" (1968) "Victoria" (1969) "Sunny Afternoon" (1966) "This Is Where I Belong" (1967) "Tired of Waiting for You" (1965) "Lola" (1970) "Celluloid Heroes" (1972) "You Really Got Me (1964) . What are you smoking (there I go again) Entertainment Weekly? The Kinks are going to get blown out relying solely on those. What about... Apeman (thanks sharpie) Destroyer Where Have All The Good Times Gone All Day And All Of The Night Low Budget Superman Set Me Free And you call yourself a Kinks fan EW? Please. Just stick to Brittany and Justin.

soupcan Feb 14 2006 12:24 PM

="sharpie"]I hope no one does the Beatles. I think it's more interesting to have battles between the near pantheon bands rather than the pantheon bands. But if we're doing top ten bands then The Beatles have to be there.

sharpie Feb 14 2006 12:43 PM

But we're not doing the Top 10 bands of all time. We're making a ladder of certain bands that we sponsor. And we'll end up at far more than 10.

soupcan Feb 14 2006 12:45 PM

You're right, I meant to say 'All-Time Greatest Bands' which is the name of the thread. How can you have a list of 'All-Time Greatest Bands' without The Beatles?

sharpie Feb 14 2006 12:49 PM

I guess if someone wants to put up the Beatles and challenge the Rolling Stones and then be done with it that would be ok. But I like people climbing rungs on the ladder and Beatles-anyone else wouldn't be fun.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 14 2006 12:58 PM

10 Kinks Klassiks by Kjohhnyk Kdickshotk (includes early rockers and late rockers with some space left overall for in-between period folkenglish stuff) Till the End of the Day Catch me now I'm falling Do it Again Sunny Afternoon See my Friends All Day and All of the Night Picture Book You Really Got Me Come Dancing Well-respected Man

sharpie Feb 14 2006 01:17 PM

Once again, no "Apeman" no Kinks list. Also, "20th Century Man" and "Celluloid Heroes" should show up somewhere.

Willets Point Feb 14 2006 01:31 PM

I've always had a soft spot for "Come Dancing."

sharpie Feb 14 2006 01:35 PM

That's not a bad song nor is "Do It Again" but the preponderence of a Kinks list should be songs up til, say, 1973. Also, Waterloo Sunset may be their best song, certainly their best ballad.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 14 2006 02:29 PM

One of the things I admire about the Kinks (in retrospect) was that they didn't need their 60s equity to gain new fans in the 80s -- unlike some of their Brit invasion counterparts like the Who or the Stones.

sharpie Feb 14 2006 02:50 PM

Yes, the Kinks did regenerate themselves in the '80's but they were blander. I would go with the EW list, taking off Big Sky, Days and This Is Where I Belong, subbing in Apeman, All Day and All of the Night and Picture Book. I could be talked out of Celluloid Heroes but Waterloo Sunset, Victoria, Sunny Afternoon, Tired of Waiting for You, Lola and You Really Got Me are, IMO, locks.

Edgy DC Feb 14 2006 03:01 PM

They probably saw "All Day..." as too much of a re-write of "You Really Got Me" and wanted the list to vary more.

sharpie Feb 14 2006 03:22 PM

Yeah, and it is a lesser song. One of them newfangled Kinks songs can go in in its stead.

Edgy DC Feb 14 2006 04:13 PM

With the Dan coming up short, we're in double digits, and the list looks like so. 1) The Rolling Stones (sponsored by Willets Point) 2) The Doors (sponsored by sharpie) 3) The Jimi Hendrix Experience (sponsored by cooby) 4) Queen (sponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 5) Led Zeppelin (sponsored by Soupcan) 6) U2 (sponsored by HahnSolo) 7) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers (sponsored by Edgy DC) 8) Aerosmith (sponsored by Seawolf17) 9) Steely Dan (sponsored by lundy) 10) Guns and Roses (sponsored by Elster88)

Willets Point Feb 14 2006 04:25 PM

This means that I can chose my second band which will be.... Prince and the Revolution Aerosmith, I challenge thee to a duel!

sharpie Feb 14 2006 04:31 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 14 2006 04:33 PM

Prince and the Revolution are, I think, four albums: Purple Rain, Parade, Around the World in a Day and SIgn O' The Times. Before and after it was just Prince. Am I right? Also, Led Zep, Jimi Hendrix Experience, Steely Dan, U2 and, soon, Pink Floyd will have had only one matchup. Personally I think there should be at least 2 matchups before we go onto a second band.

Willets Point Feb 14 2006 04:32 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 14 2006 04:33 PM

Those four and 1999 are Revolution albums.

Edgy DC Feb 14 2006 04:32 PM

Good choice, while also taking up the challenge of laying off the substatial non-Revolutional Prince catalog. Aero (who is a good pure matchup --- another five-piece band with a thin and flamboyant showman up front) is currently in mortal battle with Pink Floyd until tomorrow morning, so you may have to wait that one out. Poor 'Smith.

Willets Point Feb 14 2006 04:34 PM

In that case, prepare your Heartbreakers.

sharpie Feb 14 2006 04:36 PM

Challenger has to put his songs up first, Willets. Edgy gets to counter.

soupcan Feb 14 2006 04:37 PM

cooby Feb 14 2006 10:05 PM

Has anybody considered ELO? "You can dooooo it. Horace Wiiiiiimp...."

soupcan Feb 15 2006 09:34 AM

See now ELO was one of MY darkhorses. They could be a player. They are one of these bands that have more good/popular songs than people think.

cooby Feb 15 2006 09:46 AM

Yep

sharpie Feb 15 2006 11:07 AM

Since it seems that I get the next band and since I'm outta here after tomorrow, it's gotta be today if I don't want to make peeps wait a week. So, Talking Heads are going to slap the Jimi Hendrix Experience in the face in a do-or-die challenge. I'll put up my TH list.

Edgy DC Feb 15 2006 11:11 AM

I'm looking forward to the "Puurple Haze"/"Purple Rain" matchup.

Edgy DC Feb 15 2006 01:02 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 15 2006 01:15 PM

1) The Rolling Stones (sponsored by Willets Point) 2) The Doors (sponsored by sharpie) 3) The Jimi Hendrix Experience (sponsored by cooby) 4) Queen (sponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 5) Led Zeppelin (sponsored by Soupcan) 6) U2 (sponsored by HahnSolo) 7) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers (sponsored by Edgy DC) 8) Pink Floyd (sponsored by Lenny Harris) 9) Aerosmith (sponsored by Seawolf17) 10) Steely Dan (sponsored by lundy) 11) Guns and Roses (sponsored by Elster88) Currently in action: Prince and the Revolution (sponsored by Willets Point and gunning for the seventh spot) Talking Heads (sponsored by sharpie and talking about slot number four [{OE: third, see below])

sharpie Feb 15 2006 01:03 PM

Talking Heads is gunning for the third, not fourth, slot.

soupcan Feb 15 2006 01:07 PM

sharpie's a ballbuster lately. Dude, you need to go lie on a beach already.

Edgy DC Feb 15 2006 01:11 PM

Understood, sharpshooter.

sharpie Feb 15 2006 01:16 PM

]Dude, you need to go lie on a beach already. Plane leaves in roughly 43 hours.

Lenny Harris Feb 15 2006 05:58 PM

im challenging Tom Petty

Lenny Harris Feb 15 2006 06:09 PM

oops, didnt see that petty was challenged, but i already put up my songs. now what?

Willets Point Feb 15 2006 06:10 PM

Just hang on and wait and see if Edgy accepts your challenge.

Lenny Harris Feb 15 2006 06:42 PM

ok

Edgy DC Feb 15 2006 07:36 PM

i think the story is that after playing into the field, the players established on the list take turns.

sharpie Feb 16 2006 08:58 AM

I don't know if I agree with that. I kind of like an anarchic, challenge-whoever-you want setup so long as you cannot challenge above a band that has already beaten you.

Edgy DC Feb 16 2006 09:07 AM

Anarchy?! Good Heavens! Well, I'll defer to the body, but I thought some procedure would be nice. And it isn't just the fact that the kid is making a run at my band's carcass while Prince isn't done with it yet.

Willets Point Feb 16 2006 09:13 AM

Except that Prince-Petty is over already. I'm with sharpie on this. The challenge has too many rules already.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 16 2006 09:21 AM

May I introduce a new challenger?

sharpie Feb 16 2006 09:29 AM

I think it's Cooby's turn.

metirish Feb 16 2006 09:34 AM

Could someone please post the rules, it's rather confusing, is Elster ever going to put up a GnR list?

metirish Feb 16 2006 09:34 AM

Could someone please post the rules, it's rather confusing, is Elster ever going to put up a GnR list?

Johnny Dickshot Feb 16 2006 09:44 AM

Cooby just introduced someone this week. Not sure if it's right to keep the rotation by "standings" in that eventually, you'd expect some would pick 3 or 4 before others pick 2. We should rotate in rough order of introductions, with the caveat that new entrants get slotted in wherever they fall.

sharpie Feb 16 2006 09:54 AM

I guess that's fair.

Edgy DC Feb 16 2006 09:57 AM

Fair enough. On the Lenny rampage thing, I just think peeps are going to get bored stupit voting on the same bands and the same tracks, leading to the same kind of overplay that warps perception of these bands' actual legacy in the first place. FM rock pandered to the monsters and it killed them. Collapsed under Zeppelin's weight, it did.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 16 2006 10:07 AM

Well, good, then. I'd like to scorch the Earth by pitting REM against ... U2.

sharpie Feb 16 2006 10:11 AM

It seems like Queen and Petty have had many challenges but other bands that are hanging out (Led Zeppelin, U2) haven't been getting challenged. They should go for bigger game or someone should challenge them. (on edit). Good for you, Dickshot, taking on a never-challenged band.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 16 2006 10:18 AM

I'm thinking once we've got a good number in the base... say, 2 or 3 bands in, we could rotate so that, one guy could choose either to introduce a new band, or to use an exisiting sponsoree to challenge up the ladder. We should also set a batting order of sponsors.

soupcan Feb 16 2006 10:19 AM

Only reason Zep hasn't challemged was because I thought I was waiting my turn. I was under the impression that we'd challenge in standings order. Hendrix was taking the donut off his bat and and Zep was moving into the on-deck circle. I'm happy to challenge, I'd also like to pull The Police out of the discount bin if I may.

Edgy DC Feb 16 2006 10:25 AM

]I'm thinking once we've got a good number in the base... say, 2 or 3 bands in, we could rotate so that, one guy could choose either to introduce a new band, or to use an exisiting sponsoree to challenge up the ladder. That's the way I was thinking we were going, but Lenny cut and ran. ]We should also set a batting order of sponsors. 'Kay. Somebody do that.

Willets Point Feb 16 2006 10:57 AM

I'd like to have Prince & the Revolution challenge the Doors, but I'll have to wait until Sharpie returns. I think all the other bands ahead of P&R are better so there's no point in challenging them (except for Queen, of course, but since the electorate here is totally gay for Queen there would be no point in that either). So Prince is going to rest until Sharpie gets back from vacation.

sharpie Feb 16 2006 10:59 AM

The Lizard King and friends will come back tanned and rested and ready to take on any cold-weather rival.

Willets Point Feb 16 2006 11:01 AM

Have a great trip!

Johnny Dickshot Feb 16 2006 11:09 AM

OK, here's the lineup (based mostly on the introduction but taking into account WP and Sharpie (and me) already picked twice. When your turn comes up, you can challenge up the ladder with an existing band OR introduce a new band to challenge. IF anyone wants to break in whose not in the lineup, we'll just slot you in when you come. If you're late we'll skip you. Sharpie Willets Point Johnny Dickshot Edgy DC Elster 88 Hahn Solo Soupcan Cooby Lundy Lenny Harris That would meean edgy is up next, and Elster on deck

sharpie Feb 16 2006 11:13 AM

I think if you are already on the board with a band you should be able to challenge anytime, it's only the adding new bands that should go in some sort of order. The reason being is that people will most likely keep adding new bands and thus the ones on the ladder can at best only keep their position and not move up.

seawolf17 Feb 16 2006 11:52 AM

Why am I constantly ignored? You suck.

soupcan Feb 16 2006 12:21 PM

No - Aerosmith sucks.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 16 2006 12:28 PM

Sorry Seawolf. Where did you come in? Between Coobers and Lundy? New order: Sharpie Willets Point Johnny Dickshot Edgy DC Elster 88 Hahn Solo Soupcan Cooby Seawolf Lundy Lenny Harris

Rockin' Doc Feb 16 2006 12:51 PM I feel like Rodney Dangerfield....

Damn, my band is getting less respect than Elsters' (GNR) no show. Van Halen and I will post a challenge this evening. Just need to finalize a batting order before going into battle to take my lumps. I think we'll try to jump in near the bottom and attempt to slowly work our way up the pecking order. Seawolf, Eddie Van Halen is calling out Joe Perry (and the boys) for a duel of 1980's guitar rock. I'll post my line up after work this evening.

cooby Feb 16 2006 07:21 PM

Willets Point wrote: I'd like to have Prince & the Revolution challenge the Doors, but I'll have to wait until Sharpie returns. I had this sudden vision of Prince and the late Jim Morrison looking at each other warily. Or of Prince fans and Doors fans looking at each other in disbelief.

cooby Feb 16 2006 07:27 PM

Although.... Their beefcake is similar

Edgy DC Feb 16 2006 08:11 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 17 2006 05:28 PM

Ballotting on ten songs means making a commitment of at least five minutes, especially without a voting form. I say we stretch these polls to 48 hours.

Edgy DC Feb 17 2006 05:27 PM

Might as well get this out of the way. Beatles, gunning for the Jimi Hendrix Experience.

cooby Feb 17 2006 05:29 PM

Better wait til Monday. I'll be offline most of the weekend, with houseguests.

soupcan Feb 17 2006 07:52 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Might as well get this out of the way. Beatles, gunning for the Jimi Hendrix Experience. "The Monster's out of the cage! He's out! The Monster's out! He's out of the cage!"

cooby Feb 17 2006 07:58 PM

And Jimi and I are flattered to be the chosen ones

cooby Feb 17 2006 08:37 PM

I must confess, I am surprised that "Voodoo Child" has done so poorly. Just out of curiosity, is it the songs that it has been pitted against, or do we just not care much for it?

soupcan Feb 17 2006 08:39 PM

Unique style with a narrow appeal, limited library?

cooby Feb 17 2006 08:41 PM

No the song Voodoo Child has gotten, I think, one vote. Hate to drop it, but I've got ideas to replace it with. Limited library, hurrumph.

Willets Point Feb 17 2006 08:47 PM

I like Voodoo Child. Have I not voted for it? It may be just I liked its opponent better.

soupcan Feb 17 2006 08:50 PM

cooby wrote: Limited library, hurrumph. Not meant as a knock.

cooby Feb 17 2006 08:52 PM

soupcan wrote: ="cooby"]Limited library, hurrumph. Not meant as a knock. I know, you're right, it's a small collection but full of gems. Willets, you may be the one vote. I think someone voted against Bohemian Rhapsody was it you? Edit: Yep

Edgy DC Feb 22 2006 11:09 AM

This is where we're sitting now, I think: 1) The Rolling Stones (sponsored by Willets Point) 2) The Doors (sponsored by sharpie) 3) The Jimi Hendrix Experience (sponsored by cooby) 4) Queen (sponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 5) Led Zeppelin (sponsored by Soupcan) 6) U2 (sponsored by HahnSolo) 7) Prince & the Revolution (Sponsored by Willets Point) 8) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers (sponsored by Edgy DC) 9) Pink Floyd (sponsored by Lenny Harris) 10) Aerosmith (sponsored by Seawolf17) 11) Steely Dan (sponsored by lundy) 12) Talking Heads (sponsored by sharpie) 13) REM (spponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 14) Guns and Roses (sponsored by Elster88) I don't know if the rule is that we can't challenge more than one run up the ladder, or Dickshot's fine suggestion, that we can, but we can't challenge above a band that has already beaten the challenging band. That may be a better rule. The Jimi Hendrix Experience vs. the Beatles is still on the board. It's Elster88's turn.

abogdan Feb 22 2006 12:10 PM

If Elster doesn't want to take up for GnR, I'm willing to take over.

Edgy DC Feb 22 2006 12:41 PM

You can jump in with a band of your own, or, if Elster doesn't go, challenge with GnR.

Edgy DC Feb 22 2006 12:52 PM

1) The Rolling Stones (sponsored by Willets Point) 2) The Doors (sponsored by sharpie) 3) The Beatles (sponsored by Edgy DC 4) The Jimi Hendrix Experience (sponsored by cooby) 5) Queen (sponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 6) Led Zeppelin (sponsored by Soupcan) 7) U2 (sponsored by HahnSolo) 8) Prince & the Revolution (Sponsored by Willets Point) 9) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers (sponsored by Edgy DC) 10) Pink Floyd (sponsored by Lenny Harris) 11) Aerosmith (sponsored by Seawolf17) 12) Steely Dan (sponsored by lundy) 13) Talking Heads (sponsored by sharpie) 14) REM (spponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 15) Guns and Roses (sponsored by Elster88)

cooby Feb 22 2006 12:53 PM

Can I make a suggestion? If you are not familiar with at least 6 songs from BOTH band lists, you should abstain from voting? Otherwise, I don't know how you could make a fair assessment. They don't necessarily have to match up in the ladder, but if you don't know at least 6 songs from a band I don't know how you can make an educated vote

metirish Feb 22 2006 12:57 PM

I agree Cooby, I abstained and noted it when Lundy put up Steely Dan.

cooby Feb 22 2006 01:02 PM

Yeah, I'm not trying to be anal, it's just better than saying "I don't know any of _________'s songs so I'll vote against all of them" Haven't seen it yet, but just trying to head it off at the pass. I didn't vote in a couple for that reason too.

soupcan Feb 22 2006 09:04 PM

cooby = sore loser.

cooby Feb 22 2006 09:31 PM

No, I knew I was gonna loose that battle... More like a sacrificial lamb.

Edgy DC Feb 23 2006 03:30 PM

OK, Elster seems to be mysteriously passing. Either Abogdan can run with the Roses or another band or it's HahnSolo's turn.

Willets Point Feb 23 2006 03:37 PM

Somebody step up. I got bands burning a hole in my pocket. But I have to wait my turn.

metirish Feb 23 2006 03:53 PM

I'll throw my top hat into the pot... Don't Damn Me Civil War You could be mine Mr Brownstone Sweet Child O'Mine Don't Cry (Original) Nightrain My Michelle Paradise City Welcome To The Jungle

Edgy DC Feb 23 2006 03:57 PM

Well, abogdan isn't jumping on it. Who are you challenging?

metirish Feb 23 2006 04:01 PM

Ahh, no idea, Willets seem itchy for a rumble, or whoever is up next....

Edgy DC Feb 23 2006 04:08 PM

Going after Prince and Co.?

cooby Feb 23 2006 04:08 PM

How about some new meat?

metirish Feb 23 2006 07:01 PM

So who should I challenge here, Willets with Prince or Cooby's new meat?

HahnSolo Feb 23 2006 07:26 PM

Ahh, Welcome to the Jungle. The bridal party entered the reception at my wedding to that one.

cooby Feb 23 2006 07:58 PM

I didn't exactly mean me...

metirish Feb 23 2006 08:09 PM

Yeah I know, you are hinting that another newbie takes me on?

cooby Feb 23 2006 08:12 PM

lol, I just mean that I've been giving Jimi Epsom salts baths and oxygen all day and he's still reeling from the Beatles pummeling

Elster88 Feb 23 2006 09:01 PM

GNR is my sponsored band. No one can steal them.

metirish Feb 23 2006 09:06 PM

fine, can you put your list up then?, I knew this would happen.

Elster88 Feb 23 2006 09:12 PM

You're 100% right irish. I dropped the ball (more than once) Let's go with your list and see how it goes. If you'll accept me, we can sponsor them together.

metirish Feb 23 2006 09:14 PM

I have no problem with you making your own list, I'd be curious to see it, they are your band after all,if this spurs you to do it then cool....

Edgy DC Feb 23 2006 09:24 PM

You're waiting for those bootlegs to get around, aren't you?

metirish Feb 23 2006 10:59 PM

I think Elster is waiting for 'Chinese Democracy", 12 years in the making by my count..

Rockin' Doc Feb 24 2006 06:58 AM

I'm glad to see that GNR is ready to make their long awaited appearance into the contest. I believe Axl had a reputation for being 'fashionably late' to some of GNR's shows. Geez, I know their not their world's greatest band, but why is Eddie Van Halen and company getting snubbed. They just can't get any respect.

Edgy DC Feb 24 2006 09:18 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 24 2006 10:09 AM

So let's roll. Who is GnR attacking? What's the roster they're going with?

Elster88 Feb 24 2006 10:08 AM

Not sure who to start with. I have my top ten. I'll post them and a name in a minute. Going with a 6-4 split faster/slower songs. We'll see how that does.

Elster88 Feb 24 2006 10:11 AM

I figure Prince is a good place to start. Right in the middle of the list. 1) Sweet Child O' Mine 2) November Rain 3) Paradise City 4) Welcome to the Jungle 5) You Could Be Mine 6) Don't Cry (original lyrics) 7) Nighttrain 8) Mr. Brownstone 9) Patience 10) Estranged

HahnSolo Feb 24 2006 10:22 AM

That's a good list. And while I absolutely despise "Patience" I don't know enough GNR to say what I'd replace it with.

Elster88 Feb 24 2006 10:25 AM

I've got a few songs as alternates in case Prince demolishes GnR and they have to start at the bottom of the ladder. I'm still not 100% sure how this tournament works.

Edgy DC Feb 24 2006 04:42 PM

Order: Sharpie Willets Point Johnny Dickshot Edgy DC Elster 88 Hahn Solo Soupcan Cooby Seawolf Lundy Lenny Harris metsirish Hahn is next.

Rockin' Doc Feb 24 2006 05:52 PM

I must have been disqualified from this competition without my realizing it.

Edgy DC Feb 24 2006 10:09 PM

Sorry. Who did you sponsor?

metirish Feb 24 2006 10:10 PM

Edgy I guess I have to choose a band to sponsor?

Edgy DC Feb 24 2006 10:12 PM

Sure, since you gave up the Roses, I guess you can jump in with your debut band at any time.

cooby Feb 24 2006 10:16 PM

Rockin' Doc did Van Halen http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=2431

cooby Feb 24 2006 10:18 PM

How did I get down to #8 when I only lost once?

Edgy DC Feb 24 2006 11:07 PM

That's just the order of turn.

metirish Feb 24 2006 11:57 PM

Ok I'm going with the Cure.....let me know when I am up.

Edgy DC Feb 25 2006 08:55 AM

@#%%^! The Cure were my sleeper.

Rockin' Doc Feb 25 2006 10:28 AM

Edgy - "Sorry. Who did you sponsor?" I sponsored Van Halen. I jumped in after Lenny Harris made his debut with Pink Floyd. My band went down in flames in a challenge match against Seawolf's Aerosmith.

HahnSolo Feb 25 2006 01:19 PM

If I'm next, you mean it's time for U2 to challenge somebody higher on the chain? We usually start these on weekdays, so if it's okay, I'll make my challenge on Monday.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 25 2006 01:52 PM

You can challenge higher with your existing band, or introduce a new band and challenge someone with them.

metirish Feb 25 2006 10:47 PM

No idea when I am up but here is my list for The Cure....what do you think Edgy? 'Why can't I be you' 'Mint Car' 'Friday I'm in Love' 'A Letter to Elise ' ' Fascination Street ' ' Lovesong ' ' Boy's Don't Cry ' ' Pictures of You ' ' Just Like Heaven ' ' Love Cats '

Edgy DC Feb 26 2006 12:45 PM

I think the absence of "In Between Days" is a puzzler, and perhaps a few others from The Head on the Door, which beat out Rain Dogs as my Album of 1985 in the last great Crane Pool music project. Who're you challenging?

metirish Feb 26 2006 12:56 PM

Yeah it's hard tp pick just ten songs,I'll challenge whoever is up, Hahn?

Edgy DC Feb 26 2006 01:00 PM

The procedure --- except for the first two matchups --- is for new acts to go after a band already on the list.

metirish Feb 26 2006 01:09 PM

Ok I would like to challenge REM (spponsored by Johnny Dickshot) .

cooby Feb 26 2006 01:18 PM

Question: When it is our turn on the list to challenge, do we have to use our original band, or can we challenge with our sleeper band?

HahnSolo Feb 27 2006 10:22 AM

I have two new bands in mind, however they've both I think been mentioned by others, although they're not yet in the competition. If they haven't been used by the time it's my turn again, I'll go with them. So U2 is back to take on one of the big boys. Led Zeppelin, let's go. Here's my lineup, same as the REM matchup. One New Year's Day I Will Follow Where the Streets Have No Name Vertigo The Unforgettable Fire The Electric Co. (live) The Fly Bad Sunday Bloody Sunday

sharpie Feb 27 2006 12:31 PM

Hahn, as the challenger you should put up the post and then Soupcan puts his up in that post. Looking forward to that challenge. A clarification: I had thought that we had to wait our turn only in introducing new bands but that challenges from already existing bands can happen any time. Also, I am presuming that once you have been defeated by a band you cannot challenge higher. For example, Talking Heads were beaten (by like 1 vote or something) by the Jimi Hendrix Experience, therefore they may not challenge those about JHE (Stones, Doors, Beatles) unless they re-challenge JHE and beat them. RIght?

Willets Point Feb 27 2006 01:28 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 27 2006 01:45 PM

That's the way I understand it Sharpie. There could be a bit more of a clarification of rules. For instance, how long is voting open - 24 hours, 48 hours, indefinitely? Has the definition of a band ever been approved? Who's in charge?

cooby Feb 27 2006 01:42 PM

I think Edgy is.

Edgy DC Feb 27 2006 01:50 PM

Dickshot and I have voted that you wait your turn to challenge with an old or new band. Maybe a poll should settle it. On 24 vs. 48 hours. I think 24 weekend hours should produce a winner. But I think it's OK to have decisions reversed by latecoming voters.

sharpie Feb 27 2006 01:53 PM

OK, I voted several pages back that bands that are already in the challenge can challenge anyone, anytime so long as that other band is an eligible band for them to challenge (i.e., they haven't lost to a lower ranked band) and the other band isn't presently being challenged by somebody else. Waiting your turn for new bands I agree with.

Willets Point Feb 27 2006 01:55 PM

I'm with sharpie with the one add-on that sponsor who is already involved in a challenge can't be challenged until a few days after their challenge is over so no one gets overwhelmed.

sharpie Feb 27 2006 01:57 PM

I'm ok with someone having to wait a little while (a week?) to challenge someone who was just on the board.

cooby Feb 27 2006 01:58 PM

So in other words, when my turn comes up later this week, instead of getting poor Jimi out of intensive care, I can introduce a new band, and challenge anybody that is on the current list?

cooby Feb 27 2006 02:04 PM

Willets Point wrote: I'm with sharpie with the one add-on that sponsor who is already involved in a challenge can't be challenged until a few days after their challenge is over so no one gets overwhelmed. The only trouble with that is, if too many of us get involved with multiple bands, it might get tough finding someone who hasn't got a band going

sharpie Feb 27 2006 02:04 PM

I say yes and that Jimi can challenge whomever he wants (except that presently he can't since the Beatles are directly above and JHE already has gotten a Beatle Beating).

cooby Feb 27 2006 02:07 PM

1) The Rolling Stones (sponsored by Willets Point) 2) The Doors (sponsored by sharpie) 3) The Beatles (sponsored by Edgy DC 4) The Jimi Hendrix Experience (sponsored by cooby) 5) Queen (sponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 6) Led Zeppelin (sponsored by Soupcan) 7) U2 (sponsored by HahnSolo) 8) Prince & the Revolution (Sponsored by Willets Point) 9) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers (sponsored by Edgy DC) 10) Pink Floyd (sponsored by Lenny Harris) 11) Aerosmith (sponsored by Seawolf17) 12) Steely Dan (sponsored by lundy) 13) Talking Heads (sponsored by sharpie) 14) REM (spponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 15) Guns and Roses (sponsored by Elster88) I suppose he could challenge the Doors or Rolling Stones, right?

sharpie Feb 27 2006 02:13 PM

No. It's a ladder, so you can't climb a ladder if someone who has beaten you is in the way. If the Beatles take on the Stones, say, and win, then Jimi could take on the Stones or the Doors.

HahnSolo Feb 27 2006 02:16 PM

OK, starting a new U2-Zep challenge thread...

cooby Feb 27 2006 02:17 PM

Oh I see! So I really have to bring in a new band if I want to stay in the game

Willets Point Feb 27 2006 02:28 PM

1) The Rolling Stones (sponsored by Willets Point) 2) The Doors (sponsored by sharpie) 3) The Beatles (sponsored by Edgy DC 4) The Jimi Hendrix Experience (sponsored by cooby) 5) Queen (sponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 6) Led Zeppelin (sponsored by Soupcan) 7) U2 (sponsored by HahnSolo) 8) Guns and Roses (sponsored by Elster88) 9) Prince & the Revolution (Sponsored by Willets Point) 10) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers (sponsored by Edgy DC) 11) Pink Floyd (sponsored by Lenny Harris) 12) Aerosmith (sponsored by Seawolf17) 13) Steely Dan (sponsored by lundy) 14) Talking Heads (sponsored by sharpie) 15) REM (spponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 16) The Cure (sponsored by metirish) Currently in play: The Cure vs. REM U2 vs. Led Zeppelin Soupcan's on deck.

cooby Feb 27 2006 02:34 PM

But soupcan just got challenged! Can he use the same band to challenge someone else at the same time? That would be fun.

Willets Point Feb 27 2006 02:40 PM

I think he has to wait until the challenge is over because if Led Zep loses then he wouldn't be able to challenge higher.

Rotblatt Feb 27 2006 02:55 PM

Okay, where do I sign up? Shakespeare's in the alley with his pointed shoes and his bells, and he wants a piece of Mic's ass. 1. Like a Rolling Stone (from Essential)--Bob's out for blood. 2. Isis (Live) from The Rolling Thunder Review 3. Hurricaine (Essential) 4. Masters of War (Freewheelin') 5. Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall (Freewheelin') 6. Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands (Blonde on Blonde) 7. Rainy Day Women #12 & 35 (Blonde on Blonde) 8. It Ain't Me Babe (Essential) 9. Forever Young (Essential) 10. Just A Pawn In Their Game (The Times They Are A-Changin') Essential http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000050HTO/qid=1141068716/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-6133829-9407933?s=music&v=glance&n=5174 Rolling Thunder Review http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006NT3H/qid=1141069381/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/104-6133829-9407933?s=music&v=glance&n=5174 Freewheelin' http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000C8AVE/qid=1141069507/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/104-6133829-9407933?s=music&v=glance&n=5174 Blonde on Blonde http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00026WU8M/ref=m_art_li_16/104-6133829-9407933?s=music&v=glance&n=5174 The Times They Are A-Changin' http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009MAP9A/qid=1141070072/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/104-6133829-9407933?s=music&v=glance&n=5174

Edgy DC Feb 27 2006 03:05 PM

Well, that puts us in a definition crisis, Dylan not being a band and all. He's as good as any band and better than most. But a lot of things (Shakespeare, baseball, cough drops) are as good as any band, but I think this should be about bands.

sharpie Feb 27 2006 03:08 PM

Yeah, Bob's not allowed and if he were I would be disputing that list up one side and down the other. Like a Rolling Stone and maybe Forever Young would be the only ones on that list to make my list. How could you have nothing from Blood on the Tracks and only LARS from Highway 61? No Desolation Row or Visions of Johanna?

Elster88 Feb 27 2006 03:21 PM

This might just make the waters even murkier, but maybe a band shouldn't be counted if it is a backup band. For example, Billy Joel has been playing with many of the same musicians for almost the entirety of his career, but I wouldn't consider them a band. Other questionables would include Jimi and Bruce.

sharpie Feb 27 2006 03:23 PM

Cooby limited herself to songs by the Jimi Hendrix Experience and no post JHE stuff was allowed. Bob Dylan and the Band would, I suppose, be allowed but you would be limited to The Basement Tapes, Planet Waves and the live Before the Flood. Bruce Springsteen has generally recorded as Bruce Springsteen and not as BS & the E-SB except for live stuff (I might be wrong there). Billy Joel doesn't credit his band so none of his stuff would count.

metirish Feb 27 2006 03:25 PM

Letting the the likes of Dylan would then open the door for Van Morrison, Tom Waits and a bunch of others, maybe we need a different compitition for them.

cooby Feb 27 2006 03:29 PM

Then I better ask right now if Santana is eligible. That's the name of the band and the guy

sharpie Feb 27 2006 03:29 PM

Maybe we do but lets let this one play itself out first. (on Santana): Good question. I dunno. They feel more band-y to me, however, than the other people mentioned but I could go either way.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 27 2006 03:30 PM

Bruce's band I think meets the definition of a band. There were a few personnel changes a few times, and you can't count Human Touch/Lucky Town or Nebraska, Tom Joad ... not that you would anyway.

Rotblatt Feb 27 2006 03:33 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 27 2006 03:35 PM

Ah. Well, that makes sense. And Sharpie, any time you want to have a Bob-off, you're on. I'd probably pick a little differently, though, if I weren't going up against the Stones. Like A Rolling Stone pretty much HAS to be on that one, and I thought the following would match up nicely to WP's original list: 5. Gimme Shelter = Hard Rain's Gonna Fall 6. Mother's Little Helper = Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands 7. Let's Spend the Night Together = It Ain't Me, Babe Anyway, I'll have to regroup a bit and find a worthy band to champion. Neil Young & Crazy Horse? Traveling Wilburies? The Band? Would Bob Dylan & the Band and their (maybe) 2 records be able to take on a heavyweight like the Stones? hm.

Edgy DC Feb 27 2006 03:33 PM

I think a band should count if they label themselves as a band, even if the frontman is part of the label. Springsteen and the E Street Band, Elvis Costello and the Attractions, Iggy and the Stooges, Patty Smith Group. Regular ensembles that weren't generally billed as such --- the Billy Joel boys, the the Elton John trio, the Pat Benetar outfit --- shouldn't qualify. Too bad for Liberty DeVito. Dylan and the Band should count only if billed as such. Otherwise, the Band (good sleeper!) would fight without the joker.

sharpie Feb 27 2006 03:43 PM

There's already a lengthy favorite Dylan album thread a couple of pages back. Neil Young & Crazy Horse would be really limiting and the Traveling Wilburys, I think, were a better idea than a band.

Rotblatt Feb 27 2006 04:06 PM

Alright, I'm gonna go with the aforementioned Velvet Underground but I'll aim a little lower--I think VU can take Queen down a peg. 1. Sweet Jane (extended version, Peel Slowly & See) 2. Pale Blue Eyes (The Velvet Underground) 3. Rock And Roll (Another View) 4. Heroin (All Tomorrow's Parties) 5. Femme Fatale (The Velvet Underground & Nico) 6. Venus In Furs (All Tomorrow's Parties) 7. Beginning to See the Light (Best Of) 8. Waiting for the Man (The Velvet Underground & Nico) 9. I Guess I'm Fallin' In Love (Another View) 10. All Tomorrow's Parties (The Velvet Underground & Nico) All Tomorrow's Parties http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002G7C/qid=1141072935/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-6133829-9407933?s=music&v=glance&n=5174 Another View http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000001FJS/qid=1141074097/sr=1-14/ref=sr_1_14/104-6133829-9407933?s=music&v=glance&n=5174 The Velvet Underground & Nico http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002G7C/qid=1141074154/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-6133829-9407933?s=music&v=glance&n=5174 Best Of http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000001FR9/qid=1141074154/sr=1-9/ref=sr_1_9/104-6133829-9407933?s=music&v=glance&n=5174

Elster88 Feb 27 2006 04:09 PM

What happens to a band that loses it's opening challenge? Does it drop to the bottom of the list?

sharpie Feb 27 2006 04:09 PM

No Sweet Jane? Why the Rock & Roll from Another VU (not "Another View") instead of the version from "Loaded"? Anyway, you have to post.

Rotblatt Feb 27 2006 04:11 PM

sharpie wrote: There's already a lengthy favorite Dylan album thread a couple of pages back. Neil Young & Crazy Horse would be really limiting and the Traveling Wilburys, I think, were a better idea than a band. Cool. I'll check it out. I agree about the Traveling WIlburys, but I think NY & CH could go pretty far. Weld alone has probably got 10 worthy songs on it. Of course, that I don't know if I can name the other non-Rust NY & CH albums probably isn't a good sign . . .

Edgy DC Feb 27 2006 04:12 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 27 2006 04:18 PM

What happens to a band that loses it's opening challenge? Does it drop to the bottom of the list? Yup. It's important not to over-reach. VU vs. Queen should be exciting, and neither band should be disadvantaged by voters not being gay enough to know their catalog. They're almost equally gay! Heck, we could have a vote on the moustaches alone.

Rotblatt Feb 27 2006 04:17 PM

sharpie wrote: No Sweet Jane? Why the Rock & Roll from Another VU (not "Another View") instead of the version from "Loaded"? Anyway, you have to post. Sweet Jane's my #1. And you're right, I like Loaded's version better. I thought I had to wait my turn before posting? Or am I making that up?

sharpie Feb 27 2006 04:22 PM

Turn, schmurn I say. The more the merrier. Put it up.

sharpie Feb 27 2006 04:40 PM

Rotblatt, the Dylan album discussion is in the Music Archives forum.

Willets Point Feb 27 2006 05:04 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 27 2006 05:10 PM

]What happens to a band that loses it's opening challenge? Does it drop to the bottom of the list? Yup. It's important not to over-reach. Actually I think it's wise to challenge high. If you challenge #3 on your first try and lose, then you can challenge #5, and failing that challenge #7 etc. If you challenge #15 and lose, then your stuck and can't challenge anymore. So I say challenge high to start because either you win and you're sitting pretty or you lose and can just move down a couple of rungs for your next challenge.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 27 2006 05:08 PM

Anybody love "Jesus" by VU as much as I do? Man, I love that song.

Rotblatt Feb 27 2006 05:33 PM

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Anybody love "Jesus" by VU as much as I do? Man, I love that song. Yeah, that's a sweet song. It was hard picking & chosing, especially at work without my CDs. Jesus almost made it on my list. So did the Gift, if only because I loved that song so much when I was a teenager. Ultimately, I decided it was less of a song, though, and more audio book. And then there was I'm Stickin' With You, White Noise/White Heat, Foggy Notion . . . Hard shit, man.

Edgy DC Feb 27 2006 05:42 PM

"White Light, White Heat" is a hard'n to leave off.

Rockin' Doc Feb 28 2006 12:28 AM

1) The Rolling Stones (sponsored by Willets Point) 2) The Doors (sponsored by sharpie) 3) The Beatles (sponsored by Edgy DC 4) The Jimi Hendrix Experience (sponsored by cooby) 5) Queen (sponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 6) Led Zeppelin (sponsored by Soupcan) 7) U2 (sponsored by HahnSolo) 8) Guns and Roses (sponsored by Elster88) 9) Prince & the Revolution (Sponsored by Willets Point) 10) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers (sponsored by Edgy DC) 11) Pink Floyd (sponsored by Lenny Harris) 12) Aerosmith (sponsored by Seawolf17) 13) Steely Dan (sponsored by lundy) 14) Talking Heads (sponsored by sharpie) 15) REM (spponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 16) The Cure (sponsored by metirish) Elster - What happens to a band that loses it's opening challenge? Does it drop to the bottom of the list? They disband and go their seperate ways. After nearly two weeks of being unable to make the bottom rung of the ladder, the Van Halen boys have called it a career. They've packed up their gear and headed down to Cabo to drown their sorrows in tequila.

cooby Feb 28 2006 07:42 AM

Tell Eddie not to give up. I think the list just needs updating

soupcan Feb 28 2006 10:23 AM

I'm ready to make a challenge but I'm gonna wait till the current battles (Cure/REM, VU/Queen, U2/Zep) die down a bit. Give everyone a chance to breath, maybe get an updated standings list?

Willets Point Feb 28 2006 11:31 AM

1) The Rolling Stones (sponsored by Willets Point) 2) The Doors (sponsored by sharpie) 3) The Beatles (sponsored by Edgy DC 4) The Jimi Hendrix Experience (sponsored by cooby) 5) Queen (sponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 6) Led Zeppelin (sponsored by Soupcan) 7) U2 (sponsored by HahnSolo) 8) Guns and Roses (sponsored by Elster88) 9) Prince & the Revolution (Sponsored by Willets Point) 10) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers (sponsored by Edgy DC) 11) Pink Floyd (sponsored by Lenny Harris) 12) Aerosmith (sponsored by Seawolf17) 13) Steely Dan (sponsored by lundy) 14) Talking Heads (sponsored by sharpie) 15) REM (spponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 16) Van Halen (sponsored by Rockin' Doc) 17) The Cure (sponsored by metirish) Steely Dan, Talking Heads, REM & Van Halen are technically in a tie of 0-1 bands.

sharpie Feb 28 2006 11:38 AM

Tom Petty is something like 0-4 yet sits above bands that have won. These ladder contests, they take some getting used to.

cooby Feb 28 2006 11:38 AM

Why is there always a space before the last band in the list?

sharpie Feb 28 2006 11:44 AM

I think in this case because the Cure-REM matchup isn't over so they may be above or below the team they challenged.

Willets Point Feb 28 2006 11:54 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Feb 28 2006 12:01 PM

cooby wrote: Why is there always a space before the last band in the list? The space seperates out bands that haven't completed one challenge yet which currently is just the Cure. I've looked through our challenges and compiled standings. Band names in parentheses means that the particular band cannot challenge above that band due to a previous loss. 1) The Rolling Stones (sponsored by Willets Point) 3-0 2) The Doors (sponsored by sharpie) 2-1 (The Rolling Stones) 3) The Beatles (sponsored by Edgy DC) 1-0 4) The Jimi Hendrix Experience (sponsored by cooby) 2-1 (The Beatles) 5) Queen (sponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 1-2 (Jimi Hendrix Experience) 6) Led Zeppelin (sponsored by Soupcan) 1-0 7) U2 (sponsored by HahnSolo) 1-0 8) Guns and Roses (sponsored by Elster88) 1-0 9) Prince & the Revolution (Sponsored by Willets Point) 1-1 (Guns & Roses) 10) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers (sponsored by Edgy DC) 0-4 (Prince and the Revolution) 11) Pink Floyd (sponsored by Lenny Harris) 1-0 12) Aerosmith (sponsored by Seawolf17) 1-2 (Pink Floyd) 13) Steely Dan (sponsored by lundy) 0-1 (The Doors) 14) Talking Heads (sponsored by sharpie) 0-1 (The Jimi Hendrix Experience) 15) REM (spponsored by Johnny Dickshot) 0-1 (U2) 16) Van Halen (sponsored by Rockin' Doc) 0-1 (Aerosmith) 17) The Cure (sponsored by metirish) 0-0 18) The Velvet Underground (sponsored by Rotblatt) 0-0 19) The Police (sponsored by soupcan) 0-0

Johnny Dickshot Feb 28 2006 11:57 AM

What would be useful is one of those old-fashioned grid standings with wins reading horizontally and losses vertically. Who can make one?

Willets Point Feb 28 2006 11:59 AM

Standings might deserve their own thread. Also, the sponsoree rotation which I can no longer locate.