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NFL Athletes behaving badly

Nymr83 Jun 11 2012 06:51 AM

Another Day, Another NFL DWI! David Diehl (Giants tackle) blew a .18 into the breathalyzer last night after mowing into some parked cars in Astoria. What is with these stupid fucking players? The league has a policy of sending a car for you anywhere anytime specifically to avoid this, you have no fucking excuses!!!

Ceetar Jun 11 2012 07:28 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Yeah, I don't get why it's so hard to think about these things. get a car. hell, you're a Super Bowl champion, you could've flashed your ring at a random guy at an intersection and he probably would've driven you home. Saw a 'study' (not sure how scientific it was) I think it was Rob Neyer actually, that suggests NFL/sports players are actually less likely to drive drunk than the regular populace. Not that excuses anyone, but it's interesting in the "glass house stone thrower" sense.

Edgy MD Jun 11 2012 07:39 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

It's no excuse, but it's simply a reality that being drunk clouds judgement, and being loaded absolutely destroys it. The answer then is to have a plan before you get loaded, but when you're part of a privileged class, the best party ever could break out at any time. I don't know the answer beyond that. You could assign some sweaty nervous entry-level handler to play William Miller for each player in the league, but that's not going to work, particularly in the offseason. But it would be an hilariously worthwhile failure to watch. Jonah Hill could star in the movie. What else is there? Pin a note to each of them? "I am an NFL playa. Pleeze drive me hoem." Accelerate the fines and suspensions and work with the alleged union until you reach a tipping point, I guess. I don't know. Have we approached a tipping point? Maybe? I have a friend who is a sports telejournalist. They went to interview whoever the first round draft choice who was to be the savior of the Redskins that year, and they caught up with him at his family picnic. They're talking to him and they realize he has been sitting apart from most of the attendees, with an occasional kiss for his elderly proper aunts in their churchgoing hats. They ask him about why he's not more engaged, and he says something along the lines of "Yeah, I'm just trying to be cool." They realize that the issue is that every member of his family within 15 years of his age is getting high and wasted and is a reasonable threat to encourage him to make a simple decision that would pretty quickly wreck his life. And he seemed like the loneliest person in the world. I guess I mean to suggest that the problem is, to a large degree, cultural. And it's a problem as old as society. We need warriors and we demand they be saints, all the while knowing that our greatest warriors have not come out of monasteries, no matter what Kung Fu may tell you. We're certainly doing poorly finding our balance, but are we doing more poorly than in prior generations? I honestly don't know.

Ceetar Jun 11 2012 08:02 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Edgy DC wrote: It's no excuse, but it's simply a reality that being drunk clouds judgement, and being loaded absolutely destroys it. The answer then is to have a plan before you get loaded, but when you're part of a privileged class, the best party ever could break out at any time. While that may happen, I doubt it's a regular occurrence. It's not like they're getting together to play a friendly game of chess and all of a sudden they're at a raging party. It's not hard when you leave the house to figure out if you're going to drink and how you're going to get home. And if you're going out thinking you're not going to drink and then do that's no excuse either. Nor is the "I only intended to have a couple and i'll be okay" when you've had _at least_ 9 beers to blow a .18. And it's also possible to have a good time and not completely abuse alcohol. Diehl is freaking 300 pounds. He could probably nurse a 6-pack over an evening and have a good time and still drive home.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 11 2012 08:03 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Do we have a similar thread for Cabinet members?

metirish Jun 11 2012 08:12 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

This is a big Diehl, no doubt about it. Is he also Tom Coughlin's son in law?

Ceetar Jun 11 2012 08:14 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Do we have a similar thread for Cabinet members? I feel like more would get done if Cabinet members occasionally went out and got completely rip-roaring drunk. (and had car service home of course)

Edgy MD Jun 11 2012 08:25 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Ceetar wrote: While that may happen, I doubt it's a regular occurrence. I imagine, if you're a typical and recognizable NFL player, you rarely get through a day without men none-too-subtly expressing a desire to party with you, and women none-too-subtly expressing a desire to copulate with you. And I doubt many play chess.

Ceetar Jun 11 2012 08:51 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Edgy DC wrote: Ceetar wrote: While that may happen, I doubt it's a regular occurrence. I imagine, if you're a typical and recognizable NFL player, you rarely get through a day without men none-too-subtly expressing a desire to party with you, and women none-too-subtly expressing a desire to copulate with you. And I doubt many play chess. I was doubting that as well, it's the first out of place activity that popped into my head. My point is no one goes from sober to bad-decision drunk in thirty seconds. The decision to get too drunk to drive is always made before you're too drunk to drive.

MFS62 Jun 11 2012 09:17 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

metirish wrote: This is a big Diehl, no doubt about it. Is he also Tom Coughlin's son in law? I think he is. According to Channel 5 this morning, he had been in the bar in Astoria to watch the match between Croatia and Ireland. (Croatia won 3-1) He was wearing a Croatia jersey in the bar. 1) DUI 2) Coughlin's son-in-law 3) Rooting against Ireland. Book 'em, Dano Later

Swan Swan H Jun 11 2012 09:25 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Chris Snee, another Giants lineman, is Coughlin's son-in-law. The identity and whereabouts of Diehl's father-in-law remain unknown.

MFS62 Jun 11 2012 09:26 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Thanks. Later

metirish Jun 11 2012 09:35 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Yeah well, fuck him then, the big bollox.

Edgy MD Jun 11 2012 09:48 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Do we have a similar thread for Cabinet members? Bryson suffered a seizure? But left the scene? Bryson, 68, was driving a Lexus in the city of San Gabriel at 5:05 p.m. on Saturday, police said, when he allegedly rear-ended a Buick that had stopped at a train crossing. Bryson spoke to the three occupants of the Buick, then hit the vehicle again as he drove off, the statement said. The men in the Buick followed Bryson’s car and called 911 to seek help. Yikes.

Frayed Knot Jun 11 2012 10:08 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

At least he's not the secretary of Transportation.

Edgy MD Jun 11 2012 10:15 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Ceetar wrote: My point is no one goes from sober to bad-decision drunk in thirty seconds. The decision to get too drunk to drive is always made before you're too drunk to drive. And yet, 10,000 people are killed by drunk drivers in the US in a typical year. I don't know where the 30 second thing comes from.

Ceetar Jun 11 2012 11:30 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Edgy DC wrote: Ceetar wrote: My point is no one goes from sober to bad-decision drunk in thirty seconds. The decision to get too drunk to drive is always made before you're too drunk to drive. And yet, 10,000 people are killed by drunk drivers in the US in a typical year. I don't know where the 30 second thing comes from. and I'm saying we shouldn't exonerate them based on "I didn't know what I was doing, I was drunk." Even drunk it should be practically instinctual not to drive. Maybe it's not for everyone, but everyone knows that when they drink too much decision making is impaired. They know this before they drink too much. And at that time, they also know how they got to the party/bar/wherever and are in a state where they should know they're going to need a ride home if they continue doing what they're doing. And carelessness to arrange this is no better an excuse than being too drunk to find a different way home.

Edgy MD Jun 11 2012 11:33 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

and I'm saying we shouldn't exonerate them based on "I didn't know what I was doing, I was drunk." And somebody is saying that? Anybody? Anywhere in America?

Ceetar Jun 11 2012 11:35 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Edgy DC wrote: and I'm saying we shouldn't exonerate them based on "I didn't know what I was doing, I was drunk." And somebody is saying that? you said it's a "fact of life" that decision making when you're drunk is poor. I'm saying that's no excuse. You seem to be implying that some parties just sneak up and get the privileged class drunk before they can realize they're going to need a ride and make arrangements for it.

Edgy MD Jun 11 2012 11:38 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

I don't seem to be implying anything. Fuck, if you're going to make up shit I don't say, at least have the good grace not to put in quotes.

Ceetar Jun 11 2012 11:46 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Edgy DC wrote: I don't seem to be implying anything. Fuck, if you're going to make up shit I don't say, at least have the good grace not to put in quotes. quotes for paraphrasing. you said t's simply a reality that being drunk clouds judgement and The answer then is to have a plan before you get loaded, but when you're part of a privileged class, the best party ever could break out at any time. (I bolded the but for emphasis) the answer is to have the common freaking sense to have a plan before you get drunk, or continue drinking past the point of no-return. There is no but. Is this hypothetical party (never mind that we're talking about him driving to a _bar_ the same as any other idiot that drives drunk) in one of those crazy no-phones and no-taxis places?

Edgy MD Jun 11 2012 11:49 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Quotes aren't for paraphrasing. They're for quoting.

Ceetar Jun 11 2012 11:53 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Edgy DC wrote: Quotes aren't for paraphrasing. They're for quoting. I'm sorry for mixing up fact of life and simply a reality. clearly you were trying to say something completely different.

metsmarathon Jun 11 2012 11:58 AM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

"It's no excuse..." "The answer then is to have a plan..." "I don't know the answer beyond that." "I guess I mean to suggest that the problem is, to a large degree, cultural..." i see no exhoneration. no excusation. i see searching for answers beyond the simple answer of, "doy, have a plan," which clearly is either too much for some, or they don't give a shit. it's hard to make people give a shit when they clearly don't, and i would really think that the penalties in palce in standard society are harsh enough as to be an effective deterrent, but, again, some people don't give a shit. sometimes they don't give a shit about the penalty, sometimes they don't give a shit about hte possible ramifications, either in terms of severity of consequence or probability of occurrence, and sometimes they don't give a shit about themselves. sometimes they think they are invulnerable and infallible. and how do you correct that?

Ceetar Jun 11 2012 12:10 PM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

metsmarathon wrote: sometimes they think they are invulnerable and infallible. and how do you correct that? Yeah, it's this, not that he/they were drunk. (and certainly not exclusive to rich or privileged people) Can you correct that? I dunno. How to you force someone to understand that they can fail, without them actually failing?

Edgy MD Jun 11 2012 12:20 PM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Ceetar wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Quotes aren't for paraphrasing. They're for quoting. I'm sorry for mixing up fact of life and simply a reality. clearly you were trying to say something completely different. Come on, spare me the sarcastic little non-apology apology. Talk to people around here for once like you aren't the only smart person in the world. Please?

Ceetar Jun 11 2012 12:33 PM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Edgy DC wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Quotes aren't for paraphrasing. They're for quoting. I'm sorry for mixing up fact of life and simply a reality. clearly you were trying to say something completely different. Come on, spare me the sarcastic little non-apology apology. Talk to people around here for once like you aren't the only smart person in the world. Please? this is funny, because that's exactly what I'm not doing. I know it's hard to read inflection, but I'm rarely asserting anything. These are thoughts, hypotheses. So when you attack them with doubting comments I try to defend my point. But by doing so you turn it from a discussion into a debate. There are no right answers, particularly in some of these gray areas. But just because I want to take the train down a train of thought doesn't mean I'm 100% sure that that train of thought is the right one or even if I agree with it.

Edgy MD Jun 11 2012 12:44 PM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Well, I'm certainly not saying anybody should be exonerated based on "I didn't know what I was doing, I was drunk."

Ashie62 Jun 11 2012 05:28 PM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Edgy DC wrote: Ceetar wrote: My point is no one goes from sober to bad-decision drunk in thirty seconds. The decision to get too drunk to drive is always made before you're too drunk to drive. And yet, 10,000 people are killed by drunk drivers in the US in a typical year. I don't know where the 30 second thing comes from. If I go to a bar and dont plan for a ride beforehand Ashie has already made the decision to drive home drunk before ever picking up.

Fman99 Jun 11 2012 07:07 PM Re: NFL Athletes behaving badly

Ceetar wrote: My point is no one goes from sober to bad-decision drunk in thirty seconds. Little kids do. They can't drink for shit.