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Knicks 2012-2013

Nymr83 Jun 13 2012 07:35 AM

An arbitrator is about to decide what the Knicks bench looks like next season, with the Knicks rooting for the players' union to win its case for Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak. Dolan says "please let me spend my fucking money!!" The Post wrote: The Players Association is trying to restore Lin’s and Novak’s Bird rights that were lost when they were waived by Houston and San Antonio, respectively. Without Bird rights, the Knicks have to use their $5 million mid-level exception to re-sign Lin on July 1 and would have no means of legitimately bringing back Novak. NBA commissioner David Stern said he is confident in the league’s case. “I think [a decision] will be relatively fast,” he said. “We’re anticipating it is in favor of [us] by the clear language of the agreement.’’ If the union wins, the Knicks will have their $5 million exception to go after more prominent backcourt players such as point guard Steve Nash or Boston shooting guard Ray Allen. Without a win, the Knicks could be resigned to using their $1.4 million veteran minimum exceptions on lower-tier point guards such as veteran Derek Fisher. Players Association director Billy Hunter, union’s top attorney Ron Klempner and Kessler will face off against NBA’s top attoney, Rick Buchanan and outside counsel Howard Ganz. The union’s argument is being claimed off waivers is in the same legal spirit of being traded, when Bird rights are retained. The NBA always has tried to limit the Bird rights but if this favors Lin and the Knicks, all bets are off. An arbitrator is unlikely to make a ruling today after what is expected to be a four-hour hearing.

Nymr83 Jun 22 2012 01:46 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Berman reporting on twitter that Lin/Novak won! They'll remain Knicks without costing the mid-level exception, so the Knicks will have that carrot to dangle.

Vic Sage Jul 02 2012 09:56 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

starters: Lin (FA) / Shumpert (DL) / Anthony / Stats / Chandler rotation: _____ / T.Douglas / Novak (FA) / Harrellson / Jordan Draft pick: Kostas Papanikolaou (to play in Europe next 1-2 years) FAs they may re-sign: JR Smith Jeffries Fields FAs they are unlikely to re-sign: B.Davis Bibby Assuming they re-sign Lin and Novak (thanks, Larry Bird!), the Knicks still have 6 slots to fill. They desperately need a PG, either as a backup to Lin, or a veteran to tutor and split time with him. Too bad they didn't get Andre Miller, who would've been ideal. I think their chances of landing Nash are slim to none. And with Shumpert coming off a severe injury and Douglas an unreliable player, they need a SG, too. They may re-sign JR Smith and/or Fields, but neither are ideal. I'd prefer Jason Terry who, as a combo guard, can fill 2 needs.

Frayed Knot Jul 02 2012 10:55 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

I like to think that I stay fairly well informed on the issues surrounding most sports - salary structures, TV deals, major rules changes, draft systems, etc. - even those concerning the sports I don't follow very closely. Having said all that, I'll decipher the Dead Sea Scrolls before I understand the rules and trends governing the pay system in the NBA. Terms like: Bird rules, veterans exemptions, mid-level exemptions, expiring contracts, amnesty releases, restricted FAs, unrestricted FAs, all sound to me like the WAH-WAH-WAH-WAH of the parents in 'Peanuts' cartoons. And then it all seems to wind up with some guy I've never heard of getting a $80 million dollar multi-year contract that his team is then looking to get out from under about 10 games into his first season. And, no, this isn't a round-about request to have it all explained to me. My brain hurts enough today as it is.

Vic Sage Jul 03 2012 01:54 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

- Jason Terry just signed with Boston... BOO! 3yr/$15m; - Landry Fields signed an offer sheet with Toronto, preventing the Knicks from using Fields in a sign-and-trade for Nash (not that it was going to happen anyway, but Toronto wants Nash and this severely inhibits the NYK pursuit... smart canucks!) - The nets trade a bag o crap for Joe Johnson and still have chips to get Dwight Howard; and no good news for the Knicks so far...

Vic Sage Jul 05 2012 09:35 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

So Nash goes to the Lakers; in your face, Toronto! Have fun with Fields at $7m/yr! hah. Though, i'm a little disappointed Nash didn't come to NY, i never really thought we had a shot at him, and I'm relieved we didn't ship out Shumpert as part of a sign-and-trade for him. It looks like Lin is signing a 3yr/$31m deal (with 1yr player option bringing it to $40m) deal with Rockets; the knicks will have to match it. no choice but to overpay, giving a new meaning to "Linsanity". Rumors say will probably bring back Raymond Felton to back up Lin, but it may cost us Tony Douglas in a sign-and-trade. I've lost all confidence in Douglas, so i wouldn't mind this deal. But with Fields gone, Shumpert on the DL, and if we also send Douglas out of town, the cupboard is bare at the shooting guard position. We will absolutely have to bring JR Smith back, plus another body, preferably a combo guard who can play both the PG and SG slots. Randy Foye anybody? There is also talk of Marcus Camby joining the frontcourt, which would be a huge improvement over Jeffries. He'd also allow Stats to be moved to a 6th man role, getting him away from Melo a bit and allowing him to dominate on a 2nd unit. those moves would give us the following: starters: Lin (FA) / JR Smith (FA) / Anthony / Camby (FA) / Chandler rotation: Felton (FA) / Foye (FA) / Novak (FA) / Stats / Harrellson Bench: Jordan, ______ IR: Shumpert (DL) /______ / _______

metirish Jul 05 2012 09:50 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

WTF? Camby is still playing?, loved him as a Knick Lin will get $10 million a year?, seems crazy yes?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 05 2012 11:56 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Vic Sage wrote: So Nash goes to the Lakers; in your face, Toronto! Have fun with Fields at $7m/yr! hah. Though, i'm a little disappointed Nash didn't come to NY, i never really thought we had a shot at him, and I'm relieved we didn't ship out Shumpert as part of a sign-and-trade for him. It looks like Lin is signing a 3yr/$31m deal (with 1yr player option bringing it to $40m) deal with Rockets; the knicks will have to match it. no choice but to overpay, giving a new meaning to "Linsanity". Backloaded $31M, too-- the last two years essentially escalating to $12M per. Ah, the poison pill. There is also talk of Marcus Camby joining the frontcourt, which would be a huge improvement over Jeffries. He'd also allow Stats to be moved to a 6th man role, getting him away from Melo a bit and allowing him to dominate on a 2nd unit. You think so? Near as I can tell, Camby would be used to spell Chandler. Not that I don't think it works better your way... I just don't think there's any way Stoudamire accepts a permanent perceived demotion (even if it means better actual performance).

seawolf17 Jul 05 2012 12:04 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Frayed Knot wrote: And then it all seems to wind up with some guy I've never heard of getting a $80 million dollar multi-year contract that his team is then looking to get out from under about 10 games into his first season. YES! I never understand why this happens.

Vic Sage Jul 05 2012 01:17 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

You think so? Near as I can tell, Camby would be used to spell Chandler. Not that I don't think it works better your way... I just don't think there's any way Stoudamire accepts a permanent perceived demotion (even if it means better actual performance). oh, your quite right... my scenario is just wishful thinking and projection of what i'd LIKE to have happen. But seriously, someone needs to sit Amare down and explain to him something that is perfectly clear to anybody who has watched them play together for a single minute... that as long as Melo is on the floor, Amare will be virtually invisible. If he wants to rebuild his career, he'll need to take 25-30 minutes per game coming off the bench and dominate when the opportunity allows.

Fman99 Jul 05 2012 03:32 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

That's why the NBA sucks. The game is 80% ego and 20% team sports.

Frayed Knot Jul 05 2012 04:46 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

The Knicks are getting younger though. At least I think that's what I heard as reports have them adding at least one Kidd to their roster.

Nymr83 Jul 06 2012 07:13 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Reportedly a 3-year deal for the 39 year old Kidd. He'll be the 2nd oldest players in Knicks history, does anyone know who was older?

Swan Swan H Jul 06 2012 07:24 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Herb Williams, the folks on SNY told me this morning.

Vic Sage Jul 06 2012 08:21 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

3yrs/$9m for Kidd; that's not bad for a backup PG who can tutor lin and has immediate credibility with Melo & Amare. He can still run an offense. I like it. and the Lin offer sheet from Houston seems to be 4yrs/$28m ($5m/$5m/$9m/$9m), which is slightly better than i first heard. The Knicks will undoubtedly match. now they have to solve the SG problem. starters: Kidd /___________* / Anthony / Stats / Chandler rotation: Lin / JR Smith (FA) / Novak (FA) / ________** / Harrellson Bench: Jordan, Douglas IR: Shumpert (DL) /______ / _______ * Foye, OJ Mayo, Delfino ** Camby, Jeffries

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 06 2012 08:30 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Honestly, I think I like the likely balance of a Lin-Kidd PG combo platter better than a Nash-Lin one.

Vic Sage Jul 06 2012 10:46 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

and i like your glass is half-full attitude, but the only reason i like it better is it didn't cost us Shumpert and further hamper our cap space.

Nymr83 Jul 07 2012 11:44 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Not losing Shumpert is big, It disgusted me that they were willing to throw away a young kid who is that amazing defensively to get an old man to play point.

Nymr83 Jul 09 2012 07:36 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

According to the New York Daily News, the Rockets will receive Toney Douglas, Jerome Jordan, Josh Harrellson and second-round picks in 2014 and '15, though no deals can be finalized until July 11. thats all for Marcus Camby. i dont care about 2nd round picks whichare pretty much just trade-chips in this league but i am a bit disappointed to see harrelson go.

Vic Sage Jul 09 2012 08:52 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

i think Harrellson can be a player, and Camby is almost 40, with a history of debilitating injuries going back 16 years. So i think this trade might bite them in the ass in a few years. But for this year, and maybe next year, they're better. Camby sign & trade = 3yrs/$13.2m Steve Novak re-signed for 4yrs/$15m starters: Lin /___________* / Anthony / Stats / Chandler rotation: Kidd / JR Smith (FA) / Novak / ________** / Camby Bench: ______, ________ IR: Shumpert (DL) /______ / _______ * Foye, Delfino ** Jeffries, other PF/C

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 09 2012 09:51 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

2014-2015's gonna be rough. (Like, Scott Layden rough. Like, "Hey, we just got Steve Francis-- I hope that goes well" rough.)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 10 2012 08:52 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Smith's back, for 2 years/$5.6M(with the second as a player option).

Vic Sage Jul 10 2012 09:21 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

starters: Lin / JR Smith / Anthony / Stats / Chandler rotation: Kidd / _______* / Novak / ________** / Camby Bench: ________, ________ IR: Shumpert (DL) /_________ / _________ * SG (Foye, Delfino) ** PF/C (Jeffries) They can play a 3-guard rotation until Shump gets back; similarly Novak and Camby can cover the SF/PF/C slots, so at this point they can just fill out the roster with retreads and prospects, based on what they see in the summer league. I still think they'd be better served with Stats coming off the bench as a 6th man, with Camby in the starting rotation. Otherwise, you've got too many guys in the starting rotation who need, want and demand the ball... and they only have the one.

Kong76 Jul 10 2012 06:12 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Camby for three years? I'm laughing my ass off. Really?

Vic Sage Jul 10 2012 08:59 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

3rd year isn't guaranteed.

Frayed Knot Jul 11 2012 06:49 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Vic Sage wrote: 3rd year isn't guaranteed. Is the 2nd week? (just kidding ... sort of) The other thing that's hilarious/confusing about this whole NBA off-season (cold stove?) thing is that until today none of these deals were allowed to be finalized yet all have been discussed, leaked, analyzed, and announced for weeks now. There seems to be no obvious reason why this date exists in the first place and, if there is, why it's so totally ignored by everyone concerned. But, like I said earlier, there are very few things about how this league works that I actually understand.

Vic Sage Jul 11 2012 10:51 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Knicks have made a 1 year ($1.3m veteran minimum) offer to 35-year-old Argentinian point guard Pablo Prigioni. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Prigioni "A creative, pass-first 6'3" point guard, Prigioni led the Euroleague in assists during the 2005-06 season. He was voted the best point guard of the Spanish ACB League in 2006, 2007, and 2009. He is a very good passer and also a very good defender and he led the Spanish League in steals during the 2002-03 season."

Vic Sage Jul 11 2012 11:41 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Knicks signed James White, an athletic 6'7" small forward (age 29) playing in Europe the last few years. He was a 2nd round pick by Portland in 06, played a few games for Houston in 08-09, and been in Russia and Europe ever since. He can jump and dunk and that's about it. starters: Lin / JR Smith / Anthony / Stats / Chandler rotation: Kidd / _______ / Novak / Jeffries (FA) / Camby Bench: White, Prigioni (FA) IR: Shumpert (DL) /_________ / _________ Assuming we also sign back Jeffries, we still have 3 slots to fill, particularly at SG.

Nymr83 Jul 12 2012 07:11 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Twitter says Prigioni is onboard with a 1 year deal.

Vic Sage Jul 12 2012 10:48 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Knicks sign Chris Copeland, F out of Colorado by way of DLeague and Europe. He'll play on their summer league team.

Vic Sage Jul 12 2012 10:49 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

starters: Lin / JR Smith / Anthony / Stats / Chandler rotation: Kidd / _______ / Novak / Jeffries (FA) / Camby Bench: White / Prigioni IR: Shumpert (DL) /Copeland / _________

Vic Sage Jul 13 2012 09:55 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

sumer league roster and schedule: http://www.nba.com/summer-league/2012/teams/knicks/ The roster still lists Toney Douglas, Josh Harrellson, and Jerome Jordan, even though traded. James white has committed to playing also. 5 games over the next week, starting tomorrow.

Vic Sage Jul 15 2012 11:57 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

knicks trade rights to Gadzuric and jeffires to Portland for ex-knicks Raymond Felton and Kurt Thomas. this means they won't match the deal for Lin. shit. fine time for Dolan to turn cheap. his willingness to overspend was his one and only saving grace. and we still don't have a backup SG. starters: Kidd / JR Smith / Anthony / Stats / Chandler rotation: Felton / _______ / Novak / Thomas / Camby Bench: White / Prigioni IR: Shumpert (DL) /Copeland / _________

Ashie62 Jul 15 2012 12:27 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Third year cap concerns. How can you not keep Lin??? Easily, I guess..

Ashie62 Jul 15 2012 04:25 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Jason Kidd arrested for DWI in the hamptons.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 15 2012 05:48 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

So, in essence: paying ~$5M in 2015 for the difference between Camby and Jeffries is a GOOD idea; paying $15M in 2015 for a guy who brings in several million in overseas market interest alone is untenable. Why NOT bring back Isaiah to run this shitshow?

Nymr83 Jul 15 2012 06:53 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Old Bad and Cheap... Go Knicks! This is fucking insane. They won't win with this ancient roster how old is Kurt Thomas now?? Camby, Kidd, stat's back.. This is a joke Lin could have been MUCH better than Felton and a 39 year old Kidd, maybe he won't be, but I'd rather have found out.

Nymr83 Jul 15 2012 06:55 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

And now Kidd gets a DWI, I think not even his first? Fuck this guy, I hated him as a Net and he's lost his chance before he even got here. i hope the garden crowd stàrts a "cut the drunk" chant

Kong76 Jul 15 2012 06:56 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Ya can't make up the drama leading up to the deadline on Tuesday with the Kidd stupidity. Felton aside. Never understood why these guys don't have rides.

Kong76 Jul 15 2012 06:58 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

He hit a fucking utility pole, he must have been bombed.

Ashie62 Jul 15 2012 07:05 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Well, he is a utility player.

Kong76 Jul 15 2012 07:07 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Good one

themetfairy Jul 15 2012 07:25 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Kong76 wrote: Ya can't make up the drama leading up to the deadline on Tuesday with the Kidd stupidity. Felton aside. Never understood why these guys don't have rides. This Well, he is a utility player. LOL!

Nymr83 Jul 16 2012 05:51 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Kong76 wrote: Ya can't make up the drama leading up to the deadline on Tuesday with the Kidd stupidity. Felton aside. Never understood why these guys don't have rides. The worst part is that, unlike Joe Shmoe the construction worker who had a few too many, they DO have rides, bought and paid for by the league itself in an effort to avoid this type of embarassment. The NFL has long cracked down on steroids and MLB made a huge show of doing the same, but why don't the leagues, in the next CBA, insist on a crackdown on driving while intoxcated? 1st offense is half a season, 2nd offense is the year, 3rd offense the league is done with you. Is the union really going to say no if the owners bothered to make it a point of contention? I'm sure their PR folks will enjoy telling the media "well, we'd be playing games by now if the players weren't intent on protecting their boozing" Let's get Kidd, Diehl, LaRussa, and all the rest off the roads, or at least off the field! *like the NFL,the NBA does have a 24/7 free rides for drunk players policy.

metirish Jul 16 2012 06:46 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Nymr83 wrote: And now Kidd gets a DWI, I think not even his first? Fuck this guy, I hated him as a Net and he's lost his chance before he even got here. i hope the garden crowd stàrts a "cut the drunk" chant this....

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 16 2012 07:55 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Knicks are the absolute worst. They disgust me. I do like that Kidd's wreck took out Cablevision out East.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 16 2012 08:07 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Last night, while web surfing, I tried to determine how many first round draft picks are in the Knicks near future. Between me being far removed from the NBA (thanks to the Knicks), the apparently new hyper-technical terms I'd need to decipher to understand this issue, and (probably) web sites that are not ideally written, I just could not figure this one out. Totally clueless.

Edgy MD Jul 16 2012 08:09 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

I think one problem with a more draconian DWI policy is it takes months to establish guilt or innocence to the law's satisfaction. The threat of suspension could --- and I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but the union would likely see it as such --- compromise players' options, as a (presumed innocent) player who would otherwise plead no contest in exchange for a sentence of two weekends panting over graffiti, would feel pressure to risk jail time in fighting the charges in court, in order to protect his career. Hard to find a vertical object to hit in the Hamptons. Seems more likely in the wee hours that you veer into the brush on the side of the road, get out, and call a friend. (I'm guessing he has friends.) Has to be Knick record for the shortest time between signing a contract and pulling a douchebag move, and that would really be something, but I'll have to check the timeline for Isaiah Thomas.

metsmarathon Jul 16 2012 10:38 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

a good starting point would be to simply mirror the suspensions in teh MLB drug policy: per wikipedia: Failure to comply with treatment program First failure to comply: 15 to 25 day suspension and/or a fine of up to $10,000 Second failure to comply: 25 to 50 day suspension and/or a fine of up to $25,000 Third failure to comply: 50 to 75 day suspension and/or a fine of up to $50,000 Fourth failure to comply: minimum one year suspension and/or a fine of up to $100,000 Any subsequent failure(s) to comply: The level of the discipline will be determined by the Office of the Commissioner, consistent with the concept of progressive discipline. All suspensions are without pay. Conviction for use of prohibited substances First offense: 15 to 30 day suspension and/or a fine of up to $10,000 Second offense: 30 to 90 day suspension and/or a fine of up to $50,000 Third offense: minimum one year suspension and/or a fine of up to $100,000 Fourth offense: minimum two year suspension Any subsequent offense(s): The level of the discipline will be determined by the Office of the Commissioner, consistent with the concept of progressive discipline. All suspensions are without pay. set it up so that with an arrest for DUI, you get on the 15/25/50/year track, but if you wanna appeal pending trial, you then risk the 30/90/year track with a conviction.

Kong76 Jul 16 2012 07:11 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Just read a Twat that John Starks is in talks for a return.

metsmarathon Jul 16 2012 09:10 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

i don't get it. for two years you have a cheap jeremy lin. for the third year, you potentially have a nice expiring contract that you could possibly trade for something good, if he doesn't pan out. worst case, you take a one year hit. and then you reset. whatevs.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 17 2012 02:24 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

To be fair, assuming no radical roster changes between now and then, said 2015 cap hit would be in the neighborhood of $43 million. Also to be fair, James Dolan brings nothing to the table-- harmonica skills aside-- if he does not bring a willingness to overspend.

Vic Sage Jul 17 2012 09:16 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

the Lin deal would NOT result in that kind of cap hit. That's a smoke screen floated through mouthpieces in the media, ignorant of how the cap works, to justify the typically juvenile and vindictive attitude taken by Dolan in this situation, in response to Lin and Houston re-working the deal to try and prevent Knicks from matching. See http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/07/17/ ... -contract/ for details. In short, there is no good basketball reason to let Lin walk away for nothing. There isn't even a legitimate business reason. It would be purely personal.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 09:31 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Forgive my ignorance of almost all things at MSG: what personal reason would Dolan have for divesting himself of Lin? I figured up until that post that Lin's presumed departure was merely a matter of basketball judgement --- he's a flash in the pan, he's permanently damaged --- though certainly debatable basketball judgement. But the Dolan era has never been in short supply there. I mean, who hates Jeremy Lin? I though everybody wanted to hug the guy? I sure do. And I can't stand the Knicks or the NBA.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 17 2012 09:57 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Forgive my ignorance of almost all things at MSG: what personal reason would Dolan have for divesting himself of Lin? By all reports, he seems to take it as an affront that Lin/Lin's agent informed the Rockets that Dolan/the Knicks expressed a willingness to match Houston's offer before the Rockets actually put something in writing for the Knicks to consider, prompting the Rocket GM to reshape the deal to create the poison-pill/exploding-third-year offer sheet at which the Knicks are now staring. As goes the story, Dolan took this as a sign of ingratitude, or disloyalty, or some other REALLY silly motivation that out-of-touch rich people impute to younger people who are trying to get rich themselves.

Vic Sage Jul 17 2012 10:46 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Lin clearly doesn't want to go back and play for Woodson (whose offense doesn't suit Lin's game) and with Melo (who doesn't want to share the ball). So after the original 4-year deal was announced and it leaked out of MSG as if through a sieve that they would absolutely match the offer, Lin went back to Houston and renegotiated the deal to a point where they felt it would be too hard for Dolan to match. And Jimbo, being the asshole fratboy that he is, decided to take that as a personal affront. "I made that kid!", and "He doesn't want to play here? Fuck him!", and "He thinks he's gonna squeeze me? Take a hike, Harvard boy!", are the sort of things you could imagine him saying or at least thinking. Which all seems more likely than Dolan being afraid of some financial penalties in 3 years that could easily be watered down by the "stretch provision", or by trading Line's expiring contract in the third year, which is a valuable asset for a team looking for cap space. There's just no basketball or business reason that makes allowing Lin to walk out the door for nothing make sense.

Kong76 Jul 17 2012 07:10 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Wonder if the back pages will be about this tomorrow or baseball. *snicker* I don't understand why no one seems to care that Kidd was drunk driving on LI before the ink was dry on his deal.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 17 2012 09:08 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Thanks for everything, Jim Dolan.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 17 2012 10:10 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Vic Sage wrote: the Lin deal would NOT result in that kind of cap hit. That's a smoke screen floated through mouthpieces in the media, ignorant of how the cap works, to justify the typically juvenile and vindictive attitude taken by Dolan in this situation, in response to Lin and Houston re-working the deal to try and prevent Knicks from matching. See http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/07/17/ ... -contract/ for details. In short, there is no good basketball reason to let Lin walk away for nothing. There isn't even a legitimate business reason. It would be purely personal. In depth article analyzing the Lin deal and the NBA's stretch provision that would have enabled the Knicks to erase much of the perceived $45M cap hit had they matched the Rockets' offer sheet: http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/07 ... n-rockets/

The Second Spitter Jul 18 2012 07:29 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

The Knicks are Bart Simpson and the Cupcakes.....smfh.

metirish Jul 18 2012 08:50 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

All this talk then about how this could play in to the Knicks getting Chris Paul in a "few" years sounds like bullshit....

Nymr83 Jul 18 2012 09:10 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

metirish wrote: All this talk then about how this could play in to the Knicks getting Chris Paul in a "few" years sounds like bullshit.... The Knicks will overpay Chris Paul when he's 38 and no longer worth having, much like Jason Kidd.

Vic Sage Jul 18 2012 09:19 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

The Knicks will overpay Chris Paul when he's 38 and no longer worth having, much like Jason Kidd this. so we don't match Lin, and here's where we are now: starters: Felton / Smith / Anthony / Stoudemire / Chandler rotation: Kidd / White / Novak / Thomas / Camby Bench: Prigioni (pg) / Copeland (sf) IR: Shumpert (DL) /________ / _________ If they're smart (which they're not), the play either Thomas or Camby next to Anthony, and have Stats put up points coming off the bench. Especially with JR starting, there are simply not enough balls to go around. Maybe when Shump comes back, he can bump Smith to 6th man, and White to bench, and you can put Stats back in the starting 5. Meanwhile, the summerleague Knicks are 0-3, and not showing much hope of providing any helpful players. White and Copeland aren't exactly lighting it up either. Here are the game stats: http://www.nba.com/summer-league/gameline/knicks/ The only other players doing anything are Artsiom Parakhouski, a big doofy Russian center with decent touch and rebounding skills, and Wesley Witherspoon, a SF out of Memphis with a nice shooting touch.

Ashie62 Jul 18 2012 10:21 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Chris Paul is half shot now, physically and mentally. I see no saleable logic for letting Lin go.

Nymr83 Jul 19 2012 07:25 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

A Lin article from Grantland.com [url]http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8174968/jeremy-lin-leaving-new-york-knicks-james-dolan-blundered-again How Dolan would play poker is my favorite part. Here's how Jim Dolan would play pocket aces in a game of Texas hold 'em: Sweet! Pocket aces! Come on, JD, don't mess this up. … Why is this asshole dealer looking at me like that and why is that dude in the cowboy hat smiling? Oh man, I think he knows. … Nah, he doesn't know, he's so stupid with his stupid hat and his stupid accent. Shit. He does know. Maybe I should call Isiah? Nah, cause if they see me calling Isiah, they'll all laugh. Play it cool, Jimmy. What would be the only thing they'd never expect from you? What would Isiah do? WWID? Fold, Jimmy, fold! DOLAN: I fold. DEALER: Sir, it's not your turn to act. DOLAN: Don't tell me what to do. MAN IN HAT: Folded aces again, huh? DOLAN: It was the right move, dickface.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 19 2012 08:53 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

I really, really didn't think there was any way this guy could get more loathsome. [youtube]jioa-89VwSY[/youtube]

Vic Sage Jul 19 2012 09:54 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

isn't it nice to know, though, that even at this stage of your life, you can be surprised?

Kong76 Jul 19 2012 10:11 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Made it to the 2:54 mark.

Edgy MD Jul 19 2012 03:02 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

1:39.

Kong76 Jul 19 2012 03:46 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Remember the outrage when Kazmir got traded? He made $12,000,000 last year and played in one game according to bbrdotcom ... you just never know.

Vic Sage Jul 19 2012 09:06 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

true, you can never know the outcome in advance, and shit happens, but you can evaluate decisions when they're made and this is a bad one, however Lin turns out.

Vic Sage Jul 23 2012 08:36 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 23 2012 08:41 AM

Knicks finished the summerleague a perfect 0-5. Copeland showed some skills; The big Russian Parahkouski showed something too. White didn't play the last 2 games. I didn't see anybody i'd be comfortable with getting minutes for the knicks at the SG slot. by the way, they brought back Jerome Jordan, after trading him in the Lin deal (he then got released), but he can't re-sign with the knicks this season, so why give him a summerleague slot? just doing him a favor? maybe he'll play in Europe or D-League for a year and come back. Anyway, here are the game stats: http://www.nba.com/summer-league/gameline/knicks/ With Shumpert out, we still need a swingman, and we could use a big under the age of 40, but there's time i suppose.

metirish Jul 23 2012 08:39 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

You actually watch the summer league Knicks?

Vic Sage Jul 23 2012 08:42 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

bits and pieces. I'm looking to see what kinds of skills players have, not really rooting for wins particularly.

Vic Sage Jul 24 2012 01:18 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Knicks are signing Ronnie Brewer as a backup SG. He'll get minutes while Shump is hurt. He's a good wing defender, who moves well without the ball... which is fortunate, since he's rarely going to get it. starters: Felton / Smith / Anthony / Stoudemire / Chandler rotation: Kidd / Brewer / Novak / Thomas / Camby Bench: Prigioni (pg) / White (sg) IR: Shumpert (DL) /Copeland (sf) / _________ So, assuming Copeland makes the team, they have one slot left to fill... preferably a PF/C backup who isn't yet 40 years of age.

Vic Sage Aug 03 2012 11:47 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

they signed JR Smith's little brother, Chris, to a "you can come to camp" deal (nothing guaranteed). He's a point guard with no discernible skills; terrible in the summerleague games i saw. I guess this was a favor to JR? i hope that's all it was. We still need another big body. And Carmelo just set some Olympic scoring records by raining 3s on an inexperienced Nigerian team that got destroyed by 80+ points. He'll need to do that in NY if the Knicks are to have a shot this year.

metirish Aug 03 2012 11:58 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Chris Smith and Mike Glavine .....

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 03 2012 12:41 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Vic Sage wrote: He'll need to do that in NY if the Knicks are to have a shot this year. Oh, come on. That's ridiculous. He'll just need to do that, like, every second or third game.

Vic Sage Aug 09 2012 08:34 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

knicks rumored to be interested in Chris "the birdman" Andersen to fill out their roster. Apparently, the heavily tattooed Texan is willing to take the vet minimum (which is all the Knicks can pay) afte getting amnestied by the Nuggets. As a legit big man with strong interior defense, he's what the doctor ordered. And as a recovering drug abuser with alleged child porn issues, his lack of personal integrity makes him a perfect fit with Dolan. there's also been some talk of Andre Blatche, Kenyon Martin, Lou Amondson and Josh Howard, but its unlikely any of them will sign for minimum (Blatche is possible, though, because he's been amnestied, like Andersen, so he's already making $$ and won't need an over-minimum deal -- doesn't mean he doesn't want one, however). But personally I'd prefer to see them sign Artsiom Parakhouski, the Belarusian center who played well for them in the summer league. He showed alot more than James white, chris copeland and chris smith, all of whom got contracts after crappy SL play (actually white was signed before the SL, but he was still crappy). Artie is big, strong, tough, good rebounder and surprsingly decent shooter. with, you know, no drug abuse or child porn issues. He'll be a good practice player and teammate who'll pile up DNPs without complaint and will be able to contribute if needed. And my grandmother came from Belarus (it was Russia back then), so he's got that going for him, too... which is nice.

Vic Sage Aug 16 2012 01:19 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Jorts Harrellson was just cut by Houston. But, like Jerome Jordan before him, we cannot sign him back this year. I hate that rule. starters: Felton / JR Smith / Anthony / Stoudemire / Chandler rotation: Kidd / Brewer / Novak / Thomas / Camby Bench: Prigioni (pg) / White (sg) IR: Shumpert (DL) /Copeland (sf) / C.Smith (pg)

metirish Sep 13 2012 06:57 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Apparently the Knicks offered Ewing the D- League coaching gig He Said No

Vic Sage Sep 13 2012 11:42 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 01 2012 11:31 AM

some new signings for camp (see below), and they're giving Tracy McGrady a tryout. starters: Felton / JR Smith / Anthony / Stoudemire / Chandler rotation: Kidd / Brewer / Novak / Thomas / Camby Bench: Prigioni (pg) / White (sg) IR: Shumpert (DL) /_________ / ___________ non-guaranteed deals: Copeland (sf) C.Smith (pg) plus recent non-guaranteed signings (i.e., training camp fodder): Oscar Bellfield - UNLV pg Henry Sims - Georgetown; 7-ft Center John Shurna - Northwestern; shooting forward Mychel Thompson - (f) with good bloodlines

Vic Sage Sep 21 2012 07:54 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Knicks currently have 19 guys signed (13 guaranteed) and have 1 more spot available. Shawne (extra "e") Williams has been sniffing around, but they better be using that slot on a legit backup 4/5, considering Stats is always hurt and Thomas and Camby are a combined 80 years of age. Rumor has it they're still looking at Kenyon Martin and Lou Amondson, but both want more than minimum deals, and the Knicks have only a min deal to offer. Too bad their main rival, Miami, just signed precisely the kind of player we need, ex-Knick Josh Harrellson, who we lost in the Camby trade. At this point in their career trajectories, I'd much rather have kept Harrellson over Camby. I don't think Marcus has much left and i saw a lot of upside in Jorts' game. With Miami needing help at the center position, he may get some playing time, alongside the best player on the planet (which should help his development). I think this move will haunt us.

Vic Sage Oct 01 2012 11:30 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

so it looks like our last roster spot is going to Rasheed Wallace, talked out of retirement by Mike Woodson, to compete with Kurt thomas and Marcus Camby for backup big man minutes and for time on the massage table. Our new team sponsor is AARP.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 01 2012 07:58 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

That guy they talked out of retirement? He'll be only the fourth-oldest Knick (behind Kidd, Thomas, and Camby).

Vic Sage Oct 03 2012 01:23 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

According to the Wall St Journal: "Assuming Wallace signs, their top 13 players would be, on average, 32 years and 240 days old—the oldest team in NBA history, according to Stats LLC. No team has ever gotten so much older from one season to the next."

Vic Sage Oct 23 2012 09:38 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Here's what it looks like now: starters: Felton / Brewer / Anthony / Thomas / Chandler rotation: Kidd / Smith (achilles) / Novak / Copeland / Camby (calf) Bench: Prigioni / White IR: Shumpert (DL) / Stoudemire (DL) / Sims or Wallace* Injuries: Smith's achilles and Camby's calf are day-to-day; Stoudemire's out for 2-3 weeks (knee); Shumpert will be out a few more months (ACL) * Rasheed Wallace has yet to demonstrate he's in basketball shape. Until that happens, if ever, Henry Sims looks like the possible lottery winner for the last slot on the roster, unless they pick up someone else. None of the other training camp invitees have shown anything, and Sims has the advantage of being 7ft tall. while the team continues to play like shit in pre-season, there have been some notable positives: - Copeland can play. He ain't pretty, but he can score and play defense, and he's got a big strong body. I can see him getting some serious time while stoudemire is out, especially since Camby is always hurt (and is again), Smith is hurt, and Novak is more limited than Copeland in his skill set. - I love Prigioni. He's what a PG should be, and he can still shoot. He's very effective with Kidd together in the backcourt. - KT still likes to hit guys. He reminds me of Anthony Mason, with less of a handle. - Felton has been better than last season, if not quite as good as his prior run in NY. But he'll be fine. other thoughts: - Brewer was always a marginal player. With Shumpert out, he's over-matched as a starter. I would've liked to see Kidd start at the SG slot instead. But now, with Amare out, too, we need another scorer in the rotation, so I could see putting either JR Smith at the SG. Otherwise, you move Novak or Copeland to start at SF, moving Melo to the PF slot where he is surprisingly effective. - Novak's interior game hasn't really improved yet. - Camby's hurt. duh. shocker. - White is not just White; he's utterly translucent. - Sims. An uneducated fan is his best customer. - Rasheed, go home.

Vic Sage Oct 24 2012 09:08 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Chandler hurt his knee in the opening minute of tonight's game against the Nets. It better not be anything serious or their season is pretty much over before it starts. He is utterly irreplaceable in this lineup.

Vic Sage Oct 28 2012 09:19 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 28 2012 09:21 PM

they made their final cuts today to get down to 15: starters: Felton / Brewer / Anthony / Thomas / Wallace rotation: Prigioni / Kidd / Novak / Copeland Bench: White / Smith (achilles) / Chandler (knee) IR: Shumpert (DL) / Stoudemire (DL) / Camby (calf) But after players start coming back from injuries, it'll probably look more like this: starters: Felton / Shumpert / Anthony / Stoudemire / Chandler rotation: Kidd / Smith / Novak / Thomas / Camby Bench: Prigioni / Wallace IR: Brewer / White / Copeland

Gwreck Oct 28 2012 09:20 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Cutting Shurna was a mistake.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 29 2012 03:34 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Only room for one Novak? (Even if Novak-2 has a hilariously-Grandma-type shooting stroke.)

MFS62 Oct 29 2012 07:40 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

What's a Prigioni? What's his position, size, where did he play hoops before this year? Later

Nymr83 Oct 29 2012 06:20 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

But after players start coming back from injuries, it'll probably look more like this: starters: Felton / Shumpert / Anthony / Stoudemire / Chandler rotation: Kidd / Smith / Novak / Thomas / Camby Bench: Prigioni / Wallace IR: Brewer / White / Copeland That doest look too bad (other than the chemistry issue that wont go away), but how often will we see Chandler Anthony Stoudemire and Felton star together this year? The old and injured Knicks are going to be their own worst enemy.

metirish Oct 31 2012 10:39 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Not the Knicks but Eddy Curry actually played 16 minutes for the Mavs last night as they beat the Lakers.....

Vic Sage Oct 31 2012 11:43 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

that's 16 more than he ever played for the Knicks.

Vic Sage Oct 31 2012 11:48 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

MFS62 wrote: What's a Prigioni? What's his position, size, where did he play hoops before this year? Pablo Prigioni is a 35-year old Point Guard from Argentina. He's been an all-star in international and Olympic competition, and is a highly skilled passer with a decent outside shot. He's long in the tooth but gives Knicks excellent depth at position, for limited spurts here and there. He looked excellent in the pre-season, particularly together with Kidd in the backcourt as part of a highly effective second unit.

Vic Sage Oct 31 2012 12:15 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Gwreck wrote: Cutting Shurna was a mistake. Are you a Northwestern fan, or do you know something? He showed nothing with the Knicks, who had a complete roster coming into camp, so he would have had to outplay somebody with a contract. He didn't.

Frayed Knot Oct 31 2012 01:20 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

The opening night game in Brooklyn has been postponed.

Kong76 Nov 02 2012 07:05 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Knicks with a nice first half to open the season.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 02 2012 10:05 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Sheed makes for a fantastic victory cigar. With the handle and the defense, Prigioni IS fun, and looks like a cartoon barber; he and Kidd and Brewer and Felton make for a veddy interesting collection of backcourt-y types.

Vic Sage Nov 05 2012 08:41 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

`Bockers continue to go small in their flagellation of Philly, in a similar style to their manhandling of Miami earlier. They're running a 2-PG offense, with Melo at the PF slot, leading to great ball movement and a lot of taking it to the basket and kicking it out for open 3s. And man are they hitting 3s! Now, statistically, that's unlikely to continue, at least at their current pace (except for Novak who is a total freak), and until Amare and Camby are available, their lack of size may come back to bite them (they have way more 3pt attempts than free throws, which is not a good thing), but in the meantime they're playing aggressive D, causing turnovers and playing hard, and that's something they CAN maintain. And who would have thought that Rasheed Wallace would become a fan favorite, getting token minutes at the end of games? starters: Felton / Kidd / Brewer / Anthony / Chandler rotation: Prigioni / Smith / Novak / Thomas Bench: Copeland / Wallace / White IR: Shumpert (DL) / Stoudemire (DL) / Camby (calf)

metirish Nov 05 2012 11:20 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Vic Sage wrote: `. And who would have thought that Rasheed Wallace would become a fan favorite, getting token minutes at the end of games? This helps “I’ll just take whatever role Coach Woodson gives me,” Wallace said. “I’m too old to be taking attitudes, thinking I should be averaging 25 points or so-and-so minutes. It ain’t about that. It’s about the overall win. … I accept my Brian Scalabrine role. I’m cool with that.”

Kong76 Nov 05 2012 06:59 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Getting giggly at the end of three ....

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 05 2012 08:37 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

7 players in double figures (including Sheed Scalabrine), 24 assists, 7 steals, 13 TOs forced, and a whole lot of fastbreak points. Oh, they looked good.

Nymr83 Nov 09 2012 08:15 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Knicks looked great tonight in the 2nd half, especially on defense. The only problem was the sudden inability to hit free throws, but that didn't come back to bite them this time.

Kong76 Nov 13 2012 07:51 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

. [bigpurple:1z5so8hr]5-0[/bigpurple:1z5so8hr]

Nymr83 Nov 13 2012 08:13 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

5-0, all double-digits!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 13 2012 09:36 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

On, you old, OLD fucking Knicks!

Vic Sage Nov 15 2012 02:39 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

They beat Orlando by 10, even though they played pretty badly overall. That's a VERY good sign. But tonite they play the Spurs in San Antonio, and that should be a real test to see where we really are. With Brewer having a swollen knee (and 2 big frontcourts in SA and DAL), Knicks might move Melo back to the 3 and start one of our old, OLD bigs (Camby/Thomas/Wallace) at the PF slot. starters: Felton / Kidd / Brewer / Anthony / Chandler rotation: Prigioni / Smith / Novak / Camby / Wallace Bench: Copeland / Thomas / White IR: Shumpert (DL) / Stoudemire (DL)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 15 2012 03:13 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Biggest test will be for the D, methinks-- if what little I've seen of them is at all indicative of their level of play, the Spurs move the ball and find space to shoot with absurd efficiency.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 15 2012 08:55 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Continued disciplined play from JR Smith, and spark from Felton? Jason Kidd leading a 15-point-swing in the 4th-quarter on the road AT SAN ANTONIO? Carmelo Anthony playing maybe his finest all-around game as a Knick without scoring in double-figures? Okay, it's early yet, but barring a bus crash or teamwide plague, I'm a believer.

Vic Sage Nov 16 2012 12:37 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Ditto. A late comeback against the pros from San Antonio? Dude! Felton is showing his 2nd go-round with the Knicks is much like his first -- ie, pretty damn good. But I really think JR has been the difference-maker so far. I never expected him to be so consistent in his all-around game. Nor did i really believe they could play lock-down 4thQ defense against every team so far this season. I'll be even happier when Shumpert comes back and puts Brewer on the bench where he belongs.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 16 2012 03:25 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

That's the thing-- they're not even AT FULL STRENGTH YET.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 17 2012 02:37 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Ah, well. Odds are, they're bound to STEAL a few games via terrible-zebra-calls, too, right?

Nymr83 Nov 20 2012 06:01 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

The dreadful Hornets tonight are missing rookie sensation Davis. A good team would wrap this shit up by halftime and rest the strarters the entire 4th quarter. A good team would do that. Don't trip up here, Knicks!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 20 2012 08:26 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Nymr83 wrote: The dreadful Hornets tonight are missing rookie sensation Davis. A good team would wrap this shit up by halftime and rest the strarters the entire 4th quarter. A good team would do that. Don't trip up here, Knicks! This is a good team.

Vic Sage Nov 21 2012 08:50 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

8-1, baby. Yeah, I'll take yet another double digit win, where we again score over 100 and keep them under 90. It's remarkable really that this team (with largely the same personnel that D'Antoni had) can put the squeeze on teams in the 2nd half (they've only allowed more than 40 2nd half points once, in their loss). Nothing fancy, no gimmicks, nothing new scheme-wise... just get up on your guy and rotate when necessary. Amazing. and damning, frankly, of D'Antoni, because this defensive turnaround started last season when Woodson took over. D is really about desire and intensity as much as talent or schemes, and Woodson instills it where D'Antoni didn't.

Nymr83 Nov 21 2012 03:20 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

I'm all about the defense too but there are other things going on here too: 1. The Felton/Kidd duo is great 2. They've shot a pretty high % from downtown (this may be tied to better PG play) 3. They've turned the ball over a lot less (again the PGs) 4. They aren't generally hurt yet or fatigued, last year following the lockout they played a lot of games compressed into a short time. 5. As the Knicks record grows so does the elephant in the room... How will Stoudemire fit in?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 21 2012 03:48 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

The one worrisome thing for me is the free throws.

Nymr83 Nov 22 2012 07:40 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

I changed he channel down 12 last night... whoops. Knicks almost came back!

Kong76 Nov 23 2012 08:04 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Uh, getting schmokedd through three.

Kong76 Nov 26 2012 05:42 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

It bugs me that they're the Brooklyn Nets, don't know why. They should be the New York Nets. What's your favorite baseball team? The Queens' Metropolitans?

Kong76 Nov 26 2012 07:53 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

OT ... really enjoying this game.

Nymr83 Nov 27 2012 06:01 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Blahhhhh

batmagadanleadoff Nov 27 2012 11:00 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Kong76 wrote: It bugs me that they're the Brooklyn Nets, don't know why. They should be the New York Nets. What's your favorite baseball team? The Queens' Metropolitans? The Brooklyn Dodgers?

Kong76 Nov 27 2012 12:31 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Yeah, I watched Welcome Back Kotter too! It's not a city, it's a borough. And welcome back to you as well, batmags.

Vic Sage Nov 27 2012 12:42 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

It's a borough NOW, but it's got a proud sports history as an independent city. I have more of a problem with "Nets" than i do with "Brooklyn". They should have bought out that low-level soccer team's name "the Brooklyn Knights", which would've given the franchise a fresh start. Its also a much cooler name. By the way, that soccer team actually plays in QUEENS!

Kong76 Nov 27 2012 01:20 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

I know the history, and have nothing against Brooklyn. I was manufactured in Brooklyn and lived the first six months of my life there. Brooklyn is NYC ... don't get me started on Staten Island hahaha ...

Nymr83 Nov 27 2012 03:03 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Don't get Staten Island started on you! Who cares what the Nets call themselves? They'll always be an afterthought in the world of New York sports.

Kong76 Nov 27 2012 03:19 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Beefs with SI are personal, not with you bro haha

Ashie62 Nov 27 2012 07:24 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

And they started as the New Jersey Americans.

Edgy MD Nov 28 2012 08:17 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

I love that an organization wants to identify as Brooklyn. They're not fools, either. They understand that folks will identify with that.

MFS62 Nov 28 2012 09:03 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Ashie62 wrote: And they started as the New Jersey Americans. And in their first game, "Big" Dan Anderson (the 6'10" center) scored 37 points. That figure has not been equalled or surpassed by any center in franchise history since then. The game was at an armory in New Jersey (Hackensack?). I've been a fan ever since. Later

Kong76 Nov 28 2012 06:48 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Fine, going forward let's refer to the Mets as the Queens Mets, and the MFY's as the Bronx MFY's. When reminiscing about old NL ball, don't forget the Manhattan Giants.

Edgy MD Nov 28 2012 09:06 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Well, come on. The Mets didn't so designate themselves. The Dodgers did. Other teams designated themselves by state, or even region. It's all good from where I sit.

Kong76 Nov 30 2012 07:53 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Best November since 1972 ... ouch!

Ashie62 Dec 02 2012 06:24 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

MFS62 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: And they started as the New Jersey Americans. And in their first game, "Big" Dan Anderson (the 6'10" center) scored 37 points. That figure has not been equalled or surpassed by any center in franchise history since then. The game was at an armory in New Jersey (Hackensack?). I've been a fan ever since. Later Teaneck, and me also.

Kong76 Dec 06 2012 08:40 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Is it me, but do TNT games like never start and never finish and the in-between stuff never starts and takes longer to finish? Knicks kickin' butt in Miami without #7!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 06 2012 09:05 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Lose by 20 at home to a Meloless Knicks team? GOOD JOB! GOOD EFFORT!

Kong76 Dec 11 2012 05:43 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Moscow Nets taking it to the Manhattan Knicks in the 1st Qtr.

Kong76 Dec 11 2012 07:41 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

What a game! Moscow is not going to be happy.

MFS62 Dec 11 2012 09:34 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 11 2012 09:54 PM

In his career with the Nets, Kidd shot between .321 to .360 from behind the arc. His career average is .350. This year, he's over .500. As Murph used to say, water will seek its own level. Later

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2012 09:44 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Kong76 wrote: What a game! Moscow is not going to be happy.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 11 2012 10:10 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

MFS62 wrote: In his career with the Nets, Kidd shot between .321 to .360 from behind the arc. His career average is .350. This year, he's over .500. As Murph used to say, water will seek its own level. Granted, but that level-- .390 over the last five seasons (excluding this one) SINCE being traded to Dallas-- may be a bit higher than you remember.

Vic Sage Dec 12 2012 11:31 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

the "level" is not a fixed thing. Its a skill that can be improved upon, up to a point. As Kidd has slowed in recent years, he has developed his 3-pointer as a weapon to keep defenses from collapsing on his team's inside game. No, he's not likely to maintain a 50% rate, but a 40% rate is fine and useful, especially given everything else he does for this team.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 12 2012 06:48 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

My point exactly; the free-throw percentage showed similar improvement about five years into his career, once he started working on it.

Kong76 Dec 25 2012 01:05 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

What the hell are the Knicks wearing today? My eyes are burning.

Ashie62 Dec 25 2012 03:11 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

The Lakers are playing Syracuse...

Nymr83 Dec 25 2012 04:58 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

They were wearing a Christmas Day money-grab from the NBA, at whose website I am sure those one-time eyesores are now available for at least $99.99.

Kong76 Dec 25 2012 05:20 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Yeah, saw the stupid bouncing ball commercial several times now. $89.95. And people make fun of my ugly orange Mets batting practice jersey.

Ashie62 Dec 25 2012 06:43 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

I think MLB's Mercury concept unis were more thought than this hoops batch.

Kong76 Jan 01 2013 08:11 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Clyde kills me sometimes ... the precocious neophyte was a delight. I'm paraphrasing, I ain't cool. Suck-ass loss again. Dig a big hole and can't quite climb out.

Kong76 Jan 03 2013 07:44 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Refreshing ass-kicking tonight on both sides of the floor.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 03 2013 07:50 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Kong76 wrote: Refreshing ass-kicking tonight on both sides of the floor. With some nasty, nasty ballhawking, and one short, sweet, vicious Prigioni-to-JR-Smith alley-oop.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 04 2013 09:02 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

See whut I mean? It had his teammates in awe. "I was like, ‘J.R., really?' You're just gonna catch it and dunk it backwards with one hand? Is it that easy?'' Stoudemire said. "I wish I was 27 again."

Mets – Willets Point Jan 07 2013 06:22 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Go Celtics!

Vic Sage Jan 08 2013 12:10 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Yes, go... and get thee behind me, Celtics.

seawolf17 Jan 08 2013 12:30 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Good to see we have multiple Celtics fans around here.

Vic Sage Jan 08 2013 01:22 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

you mean besides Willets and Satan?

Mets – Willets Point Jan 08 2013 02:23 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

seawolf17 wrote: Good to see we have multiple Celtics fans around here. Well, I'm about as token fan as they come not having much interest in the NBA but I live in Boston, so, hey, Go Celts! I wouldn't have even known there was a game last night except that I stopped by a pub for a bite to eat and saw it on tv and then decided to come here and be a provocateur (French word for "asshole who instigates things on the internet"). And since Vic has now put me in league with Satan, I see my work here is done.

seawolf17 Jan 08 2013 02:44 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

I grew up during the Bird/McHale/Parish/DJ/Ainge years, and started really getting into them during the Reggie Lewis/Kevin Gamble years. I LOVED those early 90's Celtics teams. I still think Stojko Vrankovic got a raw deal.

Vic Sage Jan 09 2013 09:24 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Wolfie, you're a disgrace to my alma mater. And WP, if you're in league with the devil, don't blame me. And does Melo's wife really taste like Honey Nut Cheerios?

TheOldMole Jan 14 2013 12:41 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Carmelo a little mid-season 15-day fast???

Kong76 Feb 02 2013 07:54 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

That was fun, can I have another please?!?

Kong76 Feb 02 2013 08:03 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

The Knicks' bench outscored the Kings total by a point.

Nymr83 Feb 02 2013 09:09 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

What a crazy fun game, I can't remember a Knicks game like that ever.

Vic Sage Feb 04 2013 08:24 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

I've never seen the knicks beat anybody by 50. halfway through the 3rd Q, they emptied the bench and it was garbage time. That's why the bench scored so much... they played 2x as much as they normally do. And when White, Brewer, Copeland and Thomas are all on the court for extensive minutes, you know its a blowout, one way or the other. i love blowouts. They allow me to relax and just appreciate the play, without worrying about the outcome.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 04 2013 09:16 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

I have to admit-- I missed the tension a little. I think I'm a contorting-in-a-rictus-of-poor-shot-selection-and-matador-defense-related-pain junkie.

metirish Feb 04 2013 09:43 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Just getting caught up with the Royce White thing......wow http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/889 ... oyce-white

Vic Sage Feb 04 2013 10:07 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

i actually agree with some of his notions (e.g., current age of robber-baron capitalism is making our society crazy). Still, you can't impose on a sports franchise the obligation to have to submit to each private doctor of each player, forfeiting their control over their rosters. If a guy is physically unable to play, its in the team's interest to get him healed. Certainly players DO have private doctors, and they often work in consultation with team physicians. ANd if a team doctor clears a player over his own doctor's objection, then the team is risking a huge lawsuit if the player is reinjured. and certainly the team can't FORCE a player to play; they can suspend him for choosing not to play, but that's about money, not health. And the player can challenge that suspension, and then there is an arbitration, and both doctors' judgements should be assessed by independent arbitrators (if that's not the system, than Royce has a point.) But the team shouldn't be required to accomodate Royce anymore than they do any other player with a physical ailment. None of them get such special treatment and their situations are more objectively seen and understood. He hates to fly? Me too. sometimes i have to for work, and so i do. And so did he in college. If he doesn't want to, and wants to run, or drive, or take a train, or a dirigible, nobody is stopping him. In fact, the team is offering to drive him themselves to games close enough to drive to. Yet its still not enough. It seems to me the real issue is he doesn't want to endure the strain of playing professional basketball and so this crusade gives him a perfect excuse not to do so. His avoidance of playing may itself be a symptom of his illness, which is unfortunate. But sometimes a guy sustains an injury that ends (or prevents) a career. This may be his.

Kong76 Feb 13 2013 08:04 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Uh, think I'll skip looking at offensive stats for tonight's game. Just awfully fugly.

TheOldMole Feb 14 2013 02:53 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

I agree with P.J. Carlesimo's theory of building a winning team: “I would like us to be more consistent, and the biggest way to see that, to me, would be to have less blowout losses.”

Kong76 Feb 20 2013 06:25 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

That was one ugly half of basketball there in Indy.

Kong76 Feb 22 2013 07:40 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Feh, the suckitude contintues

Nymr83 Feb 23 2013 03:40 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

the 2nd half collapse is underway!

Kong76 Feb 24 2013 07:35 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Jason Kidd is kinda suckin' ... dead weight

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 27 2013 08:56 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

If you missed the Knicks game tonight, you missed some crazy-good basketball goodness. As in, Stephen Curry's night-- 54 points on 28 shots... and 11-13 from 3-point-range... while playing all 48 minutes-- was literally incredible.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 27 2013 10:07 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Aaaaand here's the shot chart.

Frayed Knot Feb 28 2013 05:33 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

And what was it I heard on the radio this morning - that there were Six Knicks on the roster who had played against Steph Curry's father? That's not a great sign in a league that normally skews so young.

Edgy MD Feb 28 2013 07:28 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

I remember when I was about 12. I tuned in to a Nets game (because I had nothing better to do) on WOR (because they had nothing better to show). Ray Williams was playing for them (because he had nobody better to play for). It was just another meaningless night in a meaningless season for the NBA's most meaningless team. Maybe they were at the new Brendan Byrne Arena and maybe they were at Rutgers. Maybe there were a few thousand in the stands, and TV sets tuned in all over the tri-state region. But I felt like I was the only one in the world watching. Certainly, I had never in my short life and never since shown up to school or work and heard somebody say, "You catch that NETS game last night?" But like with Curry, it was just one of those surreal nights, when a streaky shooter is so hot you can almost see flames coming out of this fingers. In the second half, his shots started getting more and more reckless, but they kept dropping, Williams pretty much surprising himself. If one shot missed, the refs seemed like they almost felt an obligation to call a foul because he could hardly miss legitimately. Like with Curry, he ended up putting up about 54 points on a crazy low shooting economy (and this was probably with a 23-foot three-point line). The Nets, as an attraction, were hardly worth stringing together the wires it took to broadcast them. To be young and having stumbled upon this (probably Steve Albert-documented) performance (1) more or less by accident, (2) more or less because I was friendless, (3) because I probably didn't bother doing my homework that night, and (4) because I was the fourth child so my parents let me watch rather than nag me about my homework --- it was all the more surreal and magical. Like the solitary child who discovers the magic creature in the garden who the cooler kids can't see because they're doing something better than digging around the garden.. (Found the boxscore. It doesn't say how many shots he took. To make it more ephemerally surreal, it was the last game of the season.)

MFS62 Feb 28 2013 07:46 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

I had forgotten Foots Walker. Thanks. Later

Kong76 Mar 03 2013 01:37 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Well that kinda sucked ... think they said 18 turnovers resulting in 20 points.

Nymr83 Mar 29 2013 09:20 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

winning streak bump!

Vic Sage Apr 01 2013 08:27 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

and they're doing it without Chandler, which i wouldn't have thought possible. `Freekin Kenyon Martin has been a savior for them. I was hoping they'd sign him during the pre-season. I thought he could give these guys some toughness and rebounds. And now, finally, he is, and it's rubbing off on these dudes. I hear he's taken Copeland under his wing, which is great. Copeland is actually a pretty good scorer, if given the minutes. But he's not given the minutes because he plays very soft D. If Martin can get through to him and make him take his D and rebounding seriously (he and Martin have similar size and skill sets), he could be a useful player. 'Freekin Kenon Martin. I hope when Chandler comes back, Martin still gets at least 20+ minutes off the bench, with JKidd, JR, Novak and (maybe) Copeland. But i don't think he'll start any more because i doubt Woodson will play him together with Chandler that much, as they take up the same space on the floor. But when he wants to play "big", it'll still be an option, with Anthony moving back to the 3, Shump to the 2, and 1 of the PGs.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 01 2013 01:50 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

I've gone from "Convinced this team was one-and-done WITH Chandler" to "Holy hell, these playoffs could be very interesting" in, like, a week-and-a-half.

Vic Sage Apr 03 2013 02:43 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

they're giving us whiplash, is what.

Kong76 Apr 09 2013 07:59 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

. [bigpurple:3tdkn8ev]¡¡Division!![/bigpurple:3tdkn8ev]

Vic Sage Apr 10 2013 07:56 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

now to lock up the 2nd seed, without a single healthy center on the roster. Were they playing COPELAND (!) at the 5 last night? Holy crap. They better keep hitting 3s, because this team's lack of an inside game makes them tremendously vulnerable to shooting slumps. But they're fun, i'll give them that. I just hope Kenyon is back for the playoffs. I like Copeland, but not at the 5, and not on defense.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 10 2013 04:15 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

But, hey, how about that Thunder game?

Vic Sage Apr 11 2013 10:20 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Without a single healthy "big", the Knicks have signed James Singleton, back from China, late of the Wizards, Clips and Mavs. He's an undersized PF, and supposedly a decent defender/rebounder. They released Kurt Thomas to make room, but we still don't have a single healthy center on the roster. If they were going to scrape somebody off the pavement, why not a guy that could guard 7FTers? I'm sorry to see Kurt go. He was done anyway, but he was always a positive presence and a long-time Knick.

TheOldMole Apr 11 2013 12:34 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

When is Chandler due back?

Vic Sage Apr 11 2013 01:24 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

it's not clear.

Vic Sage Apr 12 2013 08:23 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

* they played with a roster of 9, and white didn't play at all and Novak only played about 10 minutes, so they played an overtime game with 7 guys ... *... none of whom were Centers (or really even Power Forwards). The biggest guy on the floor was Melo, who found himself at the 5, next to Copeland. * they can't beat the bulls this year. * if all you're going to do is stand around chucking long jumpers, you're going to lose. * They gave up 118 pts to the worst offensive team in the league. defense much? * Pablo had 2 inbounds passes in a row intercepted for turnovers leading to easy layups. IN A ROW! * Felton went down with a knee, but got back up and stayed in the game. ramifications?

Vic Sage Apr 17 2013 04:05 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

some roster moves for the playoffs: Rasheed retired and Kurt Thomas was released, so Knicks have brought back Q-Rich and Earl the Pearl Barron to fill out the roster. Chandler and Martin are expected back from injuries in time for Boston series. Camby and Stats? unknown. Prigioni / Felton / Shumpert / Anthony / Chandler* Kidd / Smith / Novak / Copeland / Martin* White, Q-Rich, Barron *DL: Camby, Stoudemire

Nymr83 Apr 17 2013 07:04 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

This barely looks like a playoff roster to me, I don't know how the Knicks won 50 games (weak Eastern Conference helps, the Knicks were .500ish against the West) and are somehow the 2 seed. I didn't have great expectations for this team, but now that they're here anything less than a 6 or 7 game series against Miami in the Conference Finals is going to seem like a pretty big letdown.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 17 2013 09:29 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

It was like three or four seasons-- the 18-5 start, .500 ball with some swings for about 40 games, then the white-hot closing 15 games-- in one, really. Consistent work on D and a semi-healthy Chandler and Martin, and this team is almost certainly getting to Miami, with a little more than a puncher's chance of getting past.

Vic Sage Apr 18 2013 08:44 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Nymr83 wrote: This barely looks like a playoff roster to me, I don't know how the Knicks won 50 games (weak Eastern Conference helps, the Knicks were .500ish against the West) and are somehow the 2 seed. I didn't have great expectations for this team, but now that they're here anything less than a 6 or 7 game series against Miami in the Conference Finals is going to seem like a pretty big letdown. Which demonstrates a few things: (1) Melo is the most disrespected superstar in the game, (2) JR Smith is the 6th man of the year, and (3) Mike Woodson should get the coach of the year award. It also reflects a few other things, including: * the knicks went from being one of the most turnover-prone teams to one of the least. This was in no small measure due to Woodson playing 2 to 3 PGs on the floor at a time. This was a team that controlled the ball well; * this team can kill opponents from the 3-pt line; * With Kidd, smith, novak and Amare (for a while) coming in off the bench, the Knicks were a deeper team than most; * the notion of playing Melo at the 4 worked great -- he's too quick for bigger men and too strong for smaller ones. Like the 2 PG lineup, Woodson creates matchup problems all over the floor; he's even put out a rotation without any center at all (albeit only out of necessity due to injuries), relying on quickness, shooting and aggressive on-the-ball D to make up for the lack of size, and it did. * though not a good rebounding team (especially with Chandler out), their guards rebound better than most, and generally get rebounds from every position on the floor.

Nymr83 May 01 2013 08:05 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Can the Knicks become the first NBA to ever blow a 3-0 series lead? They looked very capable of that tonight.

Kong76 May 01 2013 08:25 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Ewing looking pretty baked on the post-game.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 02 2013 04:29 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

This series-- which feels a little like the season in microcosm (one can only hope it ends the same way)-- is starting to make my tummy hurt.

Mets – Willets Point May 02 2013 08:07 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Nymr83 wrote: Can the Knicks become the first NBA to ever blow a 3-0 series lead? They looked very capable of that tonight. I hope so.

seawolf17 May 02 2013 08:14 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

LET'S GO CELTICS clap clap clapclapclap

Ceetar May 02 2013 10:17 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

overheard in a Manhattan office lobby: (MTA actually) "I think there's going to be a game at the Garden this Sunday"

Vic Sage May 03 2013 07:57 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Tonight, Melo will choke like Latrell Sprewell.

MFS62 May 03 2013 08:47 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

According to Yahoo sports, Phil Jackson has accepted a job to become an "advisor" for the Pistons. Later

Kong76 May 03 2013 09:06 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Vic Sage wrote: Tonight, Melo will choke like Latrell Sprewell. He certainly is living up to his playoffs reputation. Hope- fully he will meet and beat his demons tonight. I haven't been so pumped up for a Knicks' game since I don't know when.

Kong76 May 03 2013 09:07 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

MFS62 wrote: According to Yahoo sports, Phil Jackson has accepted a job to become an "advisor" for the Pistons. Later Fuck him

Edgy MD May 03 2013 09:35 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Has that guy ever taken a job that wasn't safe? Seriously, he's more successful, I guess, than anybody in history, numbers-wise, with maybe the exception of Red Auerbach. But I can't tell you for certain if he's a great coach, because he's always walked into great situations. Chuck Daly took on the Nets. The Nets!

Nymr83 May 05 2013 01:54 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

WHAT THE FUCK... ABC didnt switch the feed for he NYC market, i just watched the end of memphis/okc and missed 8 mins of the knicks!!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 05 2013 10:17 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Could be worse-- the officials missed a lot more, and the Knick pick-and-roll and ability to adjust were absent entirely.

Vic Sage May 06 2013 01:53 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

could be worse? yeah, it could be raining... [a crash of thunder is heard outside; followed by a flash of lightning]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 06 2013 01:56 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Oh, I meant, "it could be worse than missing 8 minutes of the game." As far as the predicament, and what it portends (especially if the refs don't call hacks and 3-second violations on Hibbert)? Oh, yeah, that's problems.

Kong76 May 06 2013 07:36 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Beginning of game was on ESPN2 ... read the ticker!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 07 2013 06:41 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

A little beside the point, but... Spurs-Warriors. Back and forth and mostly even until about midway through the 3rd quarter, when Stephen Curry starts putting up ridiculous shots-- three-pointers from thirty feet, twenty-six-foot three-pointers off the dribble, driving floaters past four defenders, nasty-dribble-crossovers-getting-dribbled-off-his-foot-then-picked-up-for-instant-twenty-footers-- and making up every single one of them, in teammate-mind-blowing-fashion. Then, after the Warriors go up 16 with about 4 minutes left, key defender Klay Thompson fouls out... at which point, the Spurs-- without an ailing Tim Duncan, and with Manu Ginobli shooting like a drunken Yosemite Sam--close on an 18-2 run (including back-and-forth hoops in the closing 30 seconds to give the Warriors the lead, then take it back). Then two overtimes... then Curry couldn't shoot a THING, during which the Spurs built a lead... then the Warriors storming back, taking a three point lead on baskets by Curry and little-used sub Kent Bazemore... THEN of course, with 1.3 seconds to go, the Warriors blow a defensive assignment on an inbounds pass, leaving Manu Ginobli wide open to hit a three-pointer to win the damn thing. After the first OT, the teams should have agreed to make this game winner-take-all, because I don't think it's getting better/more nutballs than Game 1.

Kong76 May 07 2013 07:28 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Nice answer tonight ... take that!!

Frayed Knot May 11 2013 05:21 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Nice of the Knicks & Pacers to actually resume this thing tonight. I didn't realize that the travel from NYC to Indianapolis was so tough that it required four days in the middle of a series but perhaps the decision to travel by mule-train delayed their arrival until last night.

Vic Sage May 12 2013 09:23 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

i think the mule might've kicked them in the head. Either the mule or roy hibbard.

Kong76 May 14 2013 07:30 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Knicks crap the bed, details at eleven.

Vic Sage May 15 2013 07:41 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

stick a fork in them. I think we can already start the 2013-2014 thread so we can talk about how they're going to turn this roster over.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 15 2013 09:19 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

Well, but hey-- J. R. Smith's hitting garbage-time shots! And they remembered that Chris Copeland is on the team!

Kong76 May 17 2013 09:12 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

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Kong76 May 18 2013 08:57 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

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MFS62 May 19 2013 09:09 AM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

If they had drawn the Bulls in the first round, this probably would have been over long ago. So eat your Honey Nut Cheerois and enjoy the fact they got this far. Later

Kong76 May 19 2013 06:55 PM Re: Knicks 2012-2013

The NETS suck! .... get over it! Watch the fat lady singing, she is utterly repulsive. LATER