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Wright hosed

metsguyinmichigan Jul 01 2012 11:57 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 01 2012 01:51 PM

Feeling guilty that I voted only 25 times.

Edgy MD Jul 01 2012 12:03 PM Re: Wright hosed

I voted zero.

Swan Swan H Jul 01 2012 12:04 PM Re: Wright hosed

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Feelimg guilty that I voted only 25 times. You would have needed a lot of help. June 25: Wright -2,687,818, Sandoval -2,223,269 June 30: Sandoval - 5,743,542, Wright - 4,133,380 Sandoval outpolled Wright 3.5 million to 1.5 million over the last week or so.

TransMonk Jul 01 2012 12:08 PM Re: Wright hosed

We shouldn't have to vote for these things. The system is flawed and ultimately stupid. Wright is clearly and unquestionably the better player so far this season. The fact that "this game counts" is almost sickening.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 01 2012 12:21 PM Re: Wright hosed

Fuck bud deluge in the face. Selig , whatever. Stupid autocorrecring phone. Grrr. Dumb and stupid. You know those tech guys in frisco rigged this shit. I hope sandoval gets hit by a car.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 01 2012 01:27 PM Re: Wright hosed

What an abuse. Wright is no less than the second best player in the league this season and Sandoval doesn't even have enough PA's to qualify for the batting title.

bmfc1 Jul 01 2012 01:39 PM Re: Wright hosed

My dislike for SF fans after my trip there in '10 decreased until today. I hope that Wright takes it out on them in the upcoming series. Did SF have more home games during the voting period than the Mets? Johan didn't even make the ballot for the fan spot.

Nymr83 Jul 01 2012 01:52 PM Re: Wright hosed

Buster Posey I heard set some kind of votes-record, Melky Cabrera got in and Brandon "I played only half the time" Belt was 2nd to Votto at 1B... Either the san fran voters went NUTS or there was some cheatin going on.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 01 2012 01:55 PM Re: Wright hosed

On the bright side, Jeter is starting for the AL. National League batters ought to start aiming for anything two feet to the left and right of Jeter and walk to first base. I predict Wright will be named the NL DH so he's a starter, or Sandoval will play the required three innings then be replaced by Wright. Or, he'll come up with a phantom injury. The rest of the NL lineup is not particularly fear-inducing.

G-Fafif Jul 01 2012 02:00 PM Re: Wright hosed

Wonder how many e-mail accounts Kranepool used to vote for Sandoval 25 times each.

MFS62 Jul 01 2012 02:03 PM Re: Wright hosed

Panda made up a 400,000 Wright lead in one day, then blew right past him. Looks to me like some of the Palo Alto/ Silicone Valley technicians did some heavily computerized voting. I recall one year when the Reds fans stuffed the ballot box for what was going to be 7 or 8 Reds to start the ASG. The then-Commish(?) realized that shenanigans had gone on, and replaced the Reds player (George Crowe?) with Stan Musial. I hope Selig has a similar WTF moment, grows a pair, and has Wright start. Later

metsguyinmichigan Jul 01 2012 02:20 PM Re: Wright hosed

Bud would never do that -- publicly. Now, he might say to Panda "I see your hamstring looks tight...."

Lefty Specialist Jul 01 2012 02:23 PM Re: Wright hosed

It's stupid that MLB essentially encourages the fans to stuff the ballot box. Vote once from an IP address per day. It's not like they don't have the technology.

Zvon Jul 01 2012 02:41 PM Re: Wright hosed

This is a bunch of bullshit. I didn't vote the full 25 times because I thought there was no real competition this season, as far as third base goes. Figured this year for sure he was a shoe-in. What a crock!

Edgy MD Jul 01 2012 02:49 PM Re: Wright hosed

Bah. Vote once per ticket purchased. I don't got the time to commit that much fraud. And if I did, what's the point? The biggest losers would always have more time and energy and dubious moral justification to pour themselves into the proliferating culture of ballot abuse. The problem, and it's pretty much always been thus, is the ballot stuffing leads to mo' $$ for MLB. Every paper ballot has advertising, every electronic ballot has click-through ads. So they want as many folks as possible to see the ads as often as possible to make the sponsor happy. I've gotta wash my hands of that.

DocTee Jul 01 2012 02:59 PM Re: Wright hosed Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 01 2012 06:38 PM

Brandon "I played only half the time" Belt was 2nd to Votto at 1B... Either the san fran voters went NUTS or there was some cheatin going on. Freddy Sanchez hasn't played in 13 months and got 2.3 million votes (good for fourth at that position). Shortstop Brandon Crawford is hitting .232 and came just 300,000 votes of upending Rafael Furcal for the start

Ashie62 Jul 01 2012 03:00 PM Re: Wright hosed

Total bullshit. They will not change internet voting as there are too many advertising tie ins. Also...Mets 10th in NL attendance.

SteveJRogers Jul 01 2012 03:05 PM Re: Wright hosed

Zvon wrote: This is a bunch of bullshit. I didn't vote the full 25 times because I thought there was no real competition this season, as far as third base goes. Figured this year for sure he was a shoe-in. What a crock! The Mets have been hosed by internet, and international voting in the past. I forget off hand which year it was, but Edgardo Alfonzo seemed to have a comfortable lead heading into the final days, and ultimately lost to Jeff Kent. I'd like to say Anti-New York biases have something to do with it as well, but that doesn't explain Cano and Jeter in the AL.

Frayed Knot Jul 01 2012 03:08 PM Re: Wright hosed

It used to be when ASG promos were read on the air or in print that some clubs (mostly smaller market ones it seems) would slyly imply that, while filling out your ballots, any [nudge nudge wink wink] votes for the marginally deserving ones wearing the home colors would be OK from their viewpoint. But in the last handful of years ALL teams have gone from maybe tip-toe-ing over that line to using one of Evel Knevel's old motorcycle stunts to jump over it to the point where blatantly instructing fans to stuff the box for their own players as often as possible whether deserving or not is simply standard practice. Tough for MLB to allow that sort of stuff to go unabated and then complain when the inevitable result happens. This particular result suxx for Wright (assuming he cares and the fact that he's going anyway means he probably does) but I don't expect any undeserving or marginally deserving winners to apologize and withdraw and I certainly don't expect the folks who came up with the system to point out its inherent flaws.

metirish Jul 01 2012 03:13 PM Re: Wright hosed

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Fuck bud deluge in the face. Selig , whatever. Stupid autocorrecring phone. Grrr. Dumb and stupid. You know those tech guys in frisco rigged this shit. I hope sandoval gets hit by a car. lol...classic

SteveJRogers Jul 01 2012 03:25 PM Re: Wright hosed

Frayed Knot wrote: It used to be when ASG promos were read on the air or in print that some clubs (mostly smaller market ones it seems) would slyly imply that, while filling out your ballots, any [nudge nudge wink wink] votes for the marginally deserving ones wearing the home colors would be OK from their viewpoint. But in the last handful of years ALL teams have gone from maybe tip-toe-ing over that line to using one of Evel Knevel's old motorcycle stunts to jump over it to the point where blatantly instructing fans to stuff the box for their own players as often as possible whether deserving or not is simply standard practice. Tough for MLB to allow that sort of stuff to go unabated and then complain when the inevitable result happens. This particular result suxx for Wright (assuming he cares and the fact that he's going anyway means he probably does) but I don't expect any undeserving or marginally deserving winners to apologize and withdraw and I certainly don't expect the folks who came up with the system to point out its inherent flaws. The things that bother me is the knee jerk reactions to the negative reactions: "Why didn't you vote" Which seems silly in the first place. I understand the logic come the first Tuesday in November, but one paper vote or 25 online votes versus the multitude of votes for less deserving home town players, or votes to ensure a certain team is not represented is not the same as voting for elected officials or referendums and the like. Instead it is the idea of "okay, you are bashing the moral ambiguity of the process, so why don't you roll in the same mud?" and "Who cares, he'll make the team anyway" Yes, thanks to every year seemingly an entire All-Star Squad of players are either on the DL outright, or "healthy scratches" the idea that if you aren't named to an all star squad you are doing something wrong is very prevalent, but that isn't an excuse for a shoddy system, especially with MLB's two-faced "this time it counts" marketing campaign. Hell, the idea that there are so many roster substitutions these days tell you how dubious the whole ASG thing is and how crazy MLB's "this time it counts" bit is silly. Plus the whole idea, as a fan, of not wanting to backdoor into things, or hoping that a player backs out so you can get in. Especially considering the idea of every team needs a rep. You don't want to be completely shut out because the Pirates need a rep or whatever.

Ceetar Jul 01 2012 05:10 PM Re: Wright hosed

on second thought, apathy probably isn't the answer. Next year I'm pushing a 'vote for XXX" where XXX is the stupidest player (chase Utley this year perhaps) on the ballot, while campaigning for a purely statistical selection process.

Frayed Knot Jul 01 2012 05:26 PM Re: Wright hosed

MFS62 wrote: I recall one year when the Reds fans stuffed the ballot box for what was going to be 7 or 8 Reds to start the ASG. The then-Commish(?) realized that shenanigans had gone on, and replaced the Reds player (George Crowe?) with Stan Musial. 3 or 4 Cincy-voted starters were replaced with other NL stars that year (might have been 1957). That result also signaled the end to fan voting for a long stretch.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 01 2012 05:30 PM Re: Wright hosed

I'm no moralist. I'm just saying... I would prefer that the NL was represented at third by somebody with a BMI under 40 who wasn't being investigated for sexual assault.

Ashie62 Jul 01 2012 06:30 PM Re: Wright hosed

I blame American Idol and the folks at vote for the worst for this.

Edgy MD Jul 01 2012 06:55 PM Re: Wright hosed

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I'm no moralist. I'm just saying... I would prefer that the NL was represented at third by somebody with a BMI under 40 who wasn't being investigated for sexual assault. But you know, it'd be nice if Johan made it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 01 2012 07:10 PM Re: Wright hosed

Well, he's been cleared. So, y'know, it's entirely different.

Fman99 Jul 01 2012 07:55 PM Re: Wright hosed

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I'm no moralist. I'm just saying... I would prefer that the NL was represented at third by somebody with a BMI under 40 who wasn't being investigated for sexual assault. Oh, you said this on Facebook, you dual posting fucking hack! Seriously, without offense to the Kung Fu Panda or any other animated martial arts mammals and/or reptiles, I hope the people who voted for Sandoval all die in a grease fire. Online voting is ridiculous. Bud Selig is a frog faced fish fucking retard.

bmfc1 Jul 01 2012 08:27 PM Re: Wright hosed

I don't know what the Giants did, but I know that the Nationals gave prizes to those that voted numerous times. The Mets rewards were minimal (a discount at the store, a discount on a handful of games). If the game "counts", then bribery shouldn't be encouraged.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 01 2012 09:09 PM Re: Wright hosed

Fman99 wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I'm no moralist. I'm just saying... I would prefer that the NL was represented at third by somebody with a BMI under 40 who wasn't being investigated for sexual assault. Oh, you said this on Facebook, you dual posting fucking hack! In tribute to Vin Scully, I simulcast during Dodgers series.

SteveJRogers Jul 01 2012 10:03 PM Re: Wright hosed

BTW, is it me or are Met fans just generally apathetic towards ASG balloting in general, unless in the case of someone like Mike Piazza whom carried over his perennial ASG starter status, or Darryl Strawberry who was so uber popular in the mainstream? Case in point, Keith Hernandez, arguably the most important position player this franchise has ever known, and easily in the top three without too much debate, only made one start as an All Star. Just for the heck of it and illustrative purposes, name all the NL 1B starters during Mex's Metly days: 1983 ___________ (yeah this probably shouldn't count as Hernandez was around for what, half a month) 1984 ___________ 1985 ___________ 1986 Keith Hernandez 1987 ____________ 1988 ____________ 1989 _____________

batmagadanleadoff Jul 01 2012 11:08 PM Re: Wright hosed

Maybe it all evens out over time. FWIW, two year "veteran" Darryl Strawberry was selected to start in the 1985 ASG even though on the day the 1985 ASG starters were announced, Straw had accumulated a mere 100 or so AB's, was batting under .210 with 12 RBI's and had missed most of the season to injury.

Met Hunter Jul 02 2012 04:15 AM Re: Wright hosed

This is something from the Giants site. • Sandoval moved past David Wright of the New York Mets despite missing 35 games from May 3-June 8 with a fractured left hamate bone and the subsequent surgery. Moreover, Wright entered Sunday outhitting Sandoval, .355 to .307. "He's had a great year. I'm surprised that I made it," said Sandoval, who obviously benefited from the influx of votes from fans who voted a straight Giants ticket in support of Cabrera. By contrast, Wright won the players' vote, as did St. Louis' Yadier Molina at catcher. Players did elect Cabrera to start and chose Cain second, behind Mets knuckleballer R.A. Dickey. Also, Sandoval's election inadvertently might have prevented the inclusion on the team of a more deserving Giant, such as Madison Bumgarner (10-4), Ryan Vogelsong (7-3 before Sunday's start), Santiago Casilla (21 saves) or Sergio Romo (0.83 ERA, lowest among NL relievers). But the annual roster shuffling due to injuries or other factors making players unavailable could prompt the addition of a fifth Giant.

Frayed Knot Jul 02 2012 06:59 AM Re: Wright hosed

SteveJRogers wrote: BTW, is it me or are Met fans just generally apathetic towards ASG balloting in general NYC as a whole has normally been more apathetic in ASG voting. The smaller markets tend to out-vote the larger ones on a per capita basis - remember that it was Cincinnati, not one of the big cities, that originally got the vote taken away from fans because of box stuffing.

MFS62 Jul 02 2012 09:27 AM Re: Wright hosed

Remember also that the SF fans booed Willie Mays when his team moved out there. This result says as much about their baseball knowledge as it does about their computer skills. Later

Edgy MD Jul 02 2012 09:32 AM Re: Wright hosed

I'm sure their computer skills and baseball knowledge are comparable to or better than most cities (it's northern Cal, for Pete's sake). They're not the issue. The issue is a system designed to fail at what it's allegedly supposed to do.

MFS62 Jul 02 2012 09:40 AM Re: Wright hosed

Frayed Knot wrote: SteveJRogers wrote: BTW, is it me or are Met fans just generally apathetic towards ASG balloting in general NYC as a whole has normally been more apathetic in ASG voting. I remember when they handed out paper ballots at Shea and at the end of the game, you would see more ballots on the ground and in the aisles than I'd guess were in the ballot boxes. Later

Ashie62 Jul 02 2012 09:48 AM Re: Wright hosed

MFS62 wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: SteveJRogers wrote: BTW, is it me or are Met fans just generally apathetic towards ASG balloting in general NYC as a whole has normally been more apathetic in ASG voting. I remember when they handed out paper ballots at Shea and at the end of the game, you would see more ballots on the ground and in the aisles than I'd guess were in the ballot boxes. Later I always had trouble finding the ballot boxes.. Cueto got screwed far worse than Johan.

Mets – Willets Point Jul 02 2012 09:51 AM Re: Wright hosed

I just don't see what the BFD is. Wright is an All-Star and all that matters is that we'll be able to look at his Baseball Reference page and see he was an All-Star in 2012. As for the boring exhibition game that most players fall all over themselves to avoid playing, I'm sure Wright will get an at-bat, perhaps even a hit (and it will be forgotten within 24 hours). Then he'll be subbed for another 3rd-baseman.

Ceetar Jul 02 2012 10:05 AM Re: Wright hosed

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I just don't see what the BFD is. Wright is an All-Star and all that matters is that we'll be able to look at his Baseball Reference page and see he was an All-Star in 2012. As for the boring exhibition game that most players fall all over themselves to avoid playing, I'm sure Wright will get an at-bat, perhaps even a hit (and it will be forgotten within 24 hours). Then he'll be subbed for another 3rd-baseman. because 'boring exhibition' is your opinion. Because it matters to some that our players are truly appreciated. Do most players fall over themselves to avoid playing? These are baseball players. Almost all of them (non-Yankee division) go anyway. Do you really think they're desperate not to stand on the field for a couple of innings? 2-3 innings out of however many thousands they play a year? Because on some level Wright may be wondering "Maybe fans don't really appreciate me"? Maybe it's not a BFD, but it's at least a D. Maybe the players don't take it seriously, but I bet most of them appreciate the love and support and recognition. Forgotten? maybe, maybe not. Wright has a hit in every All-Star Game I believe. He hit a home run in the 2006 game.

Edgy MD Jul 02 2012 10:15 AM Re: Wright hosed

I would submit that, to the extent that the "boring exhibition" label is fair, the counterproductive voting system is a big part of what makes it so.