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The (Ugh!) Baywatch

batmagadanleadoff Jul 07 2012 10:29 PM

Mets skipper Terry Collins: We need Jason Bay's bat in the lineup Jason Bay and his .184 batting average will return to the Mets lineup as soon as possible, which may be right after the All-Star break. "When he comes back, we will insert him in the lineup," Terry Collins said. "We need his bat in the lineup. We hope when he gets back he's ready to play." Collins is expecting Bay to start playing games in Port St. Lucie on Sunday, after participating in drills for a couple of days. The plan is for Bay to then move to Triple-A Buffalo "for a few games and then come back (to the Mets)," Collins said. http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets Sarcastic comments are welcome.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 07 2012 10:35 PM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

"When he comes back, we will insert him in the lineup," Terry Collins said. "We need his bat in the lineup." "Nobody makes Nickeas and Turner look relatively-dangerous like Jason does."

Fman99 Jul 08 2012 01:51 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

"We need his bat, the way ordinary Mets fans need burns from touching the inside of their toasters, or perhaps prison rape."

Frayed Knot Jul 08 2012 06:33 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

If Bay's return keeps Nieuwenhuis off the field against LHPs [.167/.275/.217], sits Duda every once in a while vs the same [.217/.270/.311], and reduces Terry's once-a-week or so temptation to put Turner on 1B, then maybe it's not such a bad thing.

bmfc1 Jul 08 2012 06:48 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Nieuwenhuis needs to go back to AAA to play everyday and try to cut down on his Adam Dunn-like strikeout numbers. Bay's return sets this up and could possibly help the team against LHP.

Ceetar Jul 08 2012 07:07 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

bmfc1 wrote: Nieuwenhuis needs to go back to AAA to play everyday and try to cut down on his Adam Dunn-like strikeout numbers. Bay's return sets this up and could possibly help the team against LHP. Bay had a 900+ OPS against lefties last year. I think the concussion and multiple injuries are the perfect reason to slide him into something closer approximating a platoon role. of course.. I know we love what Hairston has done, but Terry has been using him too much against righties too. Bay's probably/maybe/could be better than that, although maybe you give Torres a couple of those starts. Tejada Turner Wright Hairston Davis Bay Torres Thole Dickey is probably pretty good against lefties. alternating in Murphy and Duda (and probably Nickeas) into that sometime.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 15 2012 09:19 PM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Jason Bay's Met career #'s, prorated to 160 games. AB 578 2B 27 3B 5 HR 15 RBI 73 BB 71 AVG. .246 OBP. .330 SLG. .385

Ashie62 Jul 15 2012 09:45 PM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

I fear we have seen Nieuwenhuis' ceiling. Den Dekker next year.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 16 2012 03:49 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Ashie62 wrote: I fear we have seen Nieuwenhuis' ceiling. He's 24 years old.

Frayed Knot Jul 16 2012 06:40 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Ashie62 wrote: I fear we have seen Nieuwenhuis' ceiling. He's 24 years old. And just three days older than Dekker. But maybe that means we've seen Dekker's ceiling too. Nimmo next year.

Ceetar Jul 16 2012 07:06 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Jason Bay's Met career #'s, prorated to 160 games. AB 578 2B 27 3B 5 HR 15 RBI 73 BB 71 AVG. .246 OBP. .330 SLG. .385 gimme his lefty mashing numbers.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 16 2012 07:32 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Ceetar wrote: Jason Bay's Met career #'s, prorated to 160 games. AB 578 2B 27 3B 5 HR 15 RBI 73 BB 71 AVG. .246 OBP. .330 SLG. .385 gimme his lefty mashing numbers. Jason Bay's Met career #'s against LHP, prorated to 578 AB's: AB 578 2B 24 3B 3 HR 24 RBI 98 BB 114 AVG. .272 OBP. .392 (close estimate) SLG. .441

batmagadanleadoff Jul 16 2012 07:37 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Scott Hairston's 2012 #'s against LHP, prorated to 578 AB's: AB 578 2B 39 3B 0 HR 50 RBI 116 BB 33 AVG. .295 OBP. .333 SLG. .619

Edgy MD Jul 16 2012 08:15 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Ashie's the J. Jonah Jameson of the forum. "Clean out your office, you're FIRED! Wait, a minute... where do you think you're going?! Did I say fired? I didn't mean fired fired! The things people will do to get out of working around here."

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 16 2012 08:47 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

That's not fair. J. Jonah Jameson had a thinly-veiled, ill-conceived agenda that he rarely gave a rest, and... um... Ashie's from Jersey.

Ashie62 Jul 16 2012 03:44 PM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Exit 38!

Vic Sage Jul 17 2012 10:59 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

vs LHers: ss - Ruben Tejada (.901) 2b - Ronny Cedeno (.852) 3b - David Wright (1.017) Rf - Scott Hairston (.952) Lf - Jason Bay (.776) Cf - Andres Torres (.804) 1b - Daniel Murphy (.628) - he's better defensively at 1b than Turner, and equivalent offensively against LHers. C - Josh Thole (.601) - Nickeas is just too dreadful a hitter to play even in a platoon. Bench: Justin Turner (.606) Lucas Duda (.588) Mike Nickeas (.541) Ike Davis (.526) Kirk Nieuwenhuis (.492)

TheOldMole Jul 17 2012 12:08 PM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

You have to hope they get to the lefty early.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 12:09 PM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Bay still hasn't been officially activated, far as I can see.

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 12:15 PM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Edgy DC wrote: Bay still hasn't been officially activated, far as I can see. no notice in the game day notes either, where they usually say 'expected to be activated for tonight's game' just this: JASON BAY: Went 0-2 with two walks last night for Buffalo (AAA) of the International League vs. Toledo...Bay played the entire game in leftfield...Bay is 3-10 (.300) with two runs scored and four walks in three rehabilitation games with the Bisons...Bay was 0-6 with two walks in two rehabilitation games with St. Lucie (A) of the Florida State League...Bay has been on the Disabled List after suffering a concussion on June 15.

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 12:28 PM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

And he's spotted with a bat! Twitter goes wild!

Benjamin Grimm Jul 27 2012 03:00 PM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Somebody posted something to the UMDB today that matches something that I've noticed myself. Doesn't Jason Bay look thin (at least in his face) since his return? He looks almost frail. Or maybe like he's aged a decade or two. I don't know. Anyone else notice this?

Ashie62 Jul 27 2012 04:53 PM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

I thought the same about Ike a couple of months ago.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 27 2012 05:21 PM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

He looks like he got a weird haircut.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 27 2012 05:24 PM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Steroid withdrawal.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 27 2012 05:44 PM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: He looks like he got a weird haircut. Yes. Combed back on top, with a little flourish in the back. IOW, the Roland Orzabal.

Edgy MD Jul 30 2012 06:31 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Part of the frailty of Bay may simply be that he was ordered to avoid heavy workouts during his convalescence, and he has some catching up to do. Although there may not be enough time left in his career for him to catch up.

Ceetar Jul 30 2012 07:03 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Edgy DC wrote: Part of the frailty of Bay may simply be that he was ordered to avoid heavy workouts during his convalescence, and he has some catching up to do. Although there may not be enough time left in his career for him to catch up. Well, that probably has something to do about it. But we're way beyond the excuses part. The Mets are doing their due diligence. They're going to get play him regularly and give him a reasonable shot to actually hit he ball across a meaningful* sample. But he might not make it back to New York.

Edgy MD Jul 30 2012 07:07 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

I didn't suggest any excuses. It was noted that he looked thinner, and I theorized why he might.

Ceetar Jul 30 2012 07:14 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Edgy DC wrote: I didn't suggest any excuses. It was noted that he looked thinner, and I theorized why he might. What I meant was, we're way past needing to figure out reasons for it. They no longer matter.

Edgy MD Jul 30 2012 07:26 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

On Friday, it seemed to be an interesting enough topic.

Ceetar Jul 30 2012 07:33 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Edgy DC wrote: On Friday, it seemed to be an interesting enough topic. I must've missed that one, or I would've chimed in then. My thoughts on Bay are that it doesn't matter what/who/why/how, he has to produce now or he's gone. I thought he was brought back too fast last time, and probably this time too, but it ultimately doesn't matter. He's had sooo many chances. of course, if the Mets don't go on a real winning streak, the season will be effectively over and not just almost definitely over, so there might be little reason to cut him just for the sake of cutting him. It's not like any of the other outfielders besides Torres a bit, are deserving much playing time. It's only another month that he's eating a roster spot.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 30 2012 08:18 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Heck, the two outfielders they just demoted had better stats than Bay.

metirish Jul 30 2012 08:25 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Ceetar wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Part of the frailty of Bay may simply be that he was ordered to avoid heavy workouts during his convalescence, and he has some catching up to do. Although there may not be enough time left in his career for him to catch up. Well, that probably has something to do about it. But we're way beyond the excuses part. The Mets are doing their due diligence. They're going to get play him regularly and give him a reasonable shot to actually hit he ball across a meaningful* sample. But he might not make it back to New York. You think the Mets will cut him?

Benjamin Grimm Jul 30 2012 08:27 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

I think they will cut him, but not before spring training 2013.

MFS62 Jul 30 2012 10:24 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think they will cut him, but not before spring training 2013. Has he amassed enough at bats for his 2013 contract to vest? If not, wouldn't it make more sense to cut him now? Or is there a golden parachute clause? Later

TransMonk Jul 30 2012 10:28 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

Oh, there is no option for 2013. He is fully signed for next year. The option is for 2014, but he is nowhere near on pace with his ABs for it to kick in...nor will the Mets allow him to get there next year if he is still on the roster. 2014 option guaranteed with 600 PAs in 2013 or 500 PAs in both 2012, 2013

Ceetar Jul 30 2012 10:31 AM Re: The (Ugh!) Baywatch

MFS62 wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think they will cut him, but not before spring training 2013. Has he amassed enough at bats for his 2013 contract to vest? If not, wouldn't it make more sense to cut him now? Or is there a golden parachute clause? Later vest is basically off the table. Would need 600 AB next year and even if he bounces back to Boston-Bay and stays healthy it probably won't get that. I doubt he gets cut, since you're really only saving a month of a roster spot until rosters expand. I imagine though, if he goes hitless, or like 2/30 on the rest of this road trip, they might decide just to cut him. Probably needs to be correlated with like Duda hitting 8 HR for Buffalo or something. Or, if the Mets go 10 for the next 12 and miraculously climb back in the race despite his struggles. Then you almost have to cut him because he hurts chances of winning the rest of the games needed to actually climb bck into the race. (Mets face the Braves on August 10th. They're 9 losses behind. If they made up significant ground that could be a d-Day point) Obviously their are other teams to climb over, but one of them is the Giants. Two others are the Reds and Nats(probably not the Nats) right after the Braves. If they're desperately making a push and need every last drop of offense..maybe they just dump him (or phantom-DL?)