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Redemption?
Redeemed | 1 votes |
Progressing | 2 votes |
Indifferent | 2 votes |
Still a Tool | 9 votes |
A Bigger Tool Than Ever | 1 votes |
Edgy MD Jun 22 2012 09:30 AM |
Read a couple of redemption storylines this morning. Really? A great basketball player played great basketball. Has the narrative arc actually changed?
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Ceetar Jun 22 2012 09:40 AM Re: Redemption? |
"One of the best basketball players"
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Edgy MD Jun 22 2012 09:48 AM Re: Redemption? |
Yeah, check it out. A-Rod is totally not a tool anymore!
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Mets – Willets Point Jun 22 2012 09:53 AM Re: Redemption? |
I want to select "indifferent" because I'm indifferent but it's phrased that LeBron James is indifferent. He probably cares a lot.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 22 2012 09:54 AM Re: Redemption? |
I could care less.
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Edgy MD Jun 22 2012 09:56 AM Re: Redemption? |
Yeah, I guess I could have done better there. It's meant to suggest that. "He has an indifferent moral profile, as far as sports celebrities go, neither a good one nor a bad one."
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TransMonk Jun 22 2012 10:13 AM Re: Redemption? |
There's still a pro basketball league?
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Edgy MD Jun 22 2012 10:18 AM Re: Redemption? |
Yeah, I had a friend writing to me telling me I absolutely had to watch last night. Bleh.
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metirish Jun 22 2012 10:28 AM Re: Redemption? |
Didn't watch more than a few minutes of this tripe......I did flick through and heard the ABC/ESPN sideline reporter say to James "with all you have been through the last two years how does this feel".....wtf has he been through?, makes a boatload of money for fucks sake.....
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Frayed Knot Jun 22 2012 10:29 AM Re: Redemption? |
I'd say that I'm certainly indifferent to the saga of LeBron James. Now I just wish more folks who owned microphones were similarly indifferent.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 22 2012 10:40 AM Re: Redemption? |
I think it's great that basketball season is finally over.
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Edgy MD Jun 22 2012 10:45 AM Re: Redemption? |
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Yeah, Deadspin went after Pat Riley similarly:
My interest in the NBA begins and ends with my desire to party with Kevin Love.
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SteveJRogers Jun 22 2012 10:50 AM Re: Redemption? |
While not the attention whore on the level of ARod or LeBron, once John Elway walked off with his first Super Bowl championship it was then deemed "alright" to start putting his name with the all-time legends in NFL history. Before it was "But he's lost three Super Bowls badly" and whatever other excuses people wanted to make for why they did not include Elway among the best QBs in history.
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Benjamin Grimm Jun 22 2012 10:54 AM Re: Redemption? |
If you're a jerk, winning a title doesn't make you any less of a jerk.
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Ceetar Jun 22 2012 11:44 AM Re: Redemption? |
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He meant "With all that we've put you through"
I'm indifferent to James. I have an intense hatred for the ESPN created saga. But as far as basketball goes, LeBron is one of the best players in the league, and when I'm watching a sport (which I didn't) I don't have a real rooting interest in, I like to see the most talented players playing because it's the absolute highest level. I did seemingly just agree I'd go to a Liberty game though, if my wife agrees. oops. Anyone know a good place to lookup tv ratings? Is that even public info? After getting into a fight with Colin Cowherd yesterday I'd kinda like to add up all the baseball games played and point out that probably more people watched baseball than the NBA finals.
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Ashie62 Jun 22 2012 01:09 PM Re: Redemption? |
Most of us have something he doesn't, an education.
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Ceetar Jun 22 2012 01:21 PM Re: Redemption? |
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I'd rather have the multi-million dollar bank account.
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Nymr83 Jun 22 2012 01:26 PM Re: Redemption? |
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Those stories were written the day after "the decision" and filed away for whenever they won.
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Frayed Knot Jun 22 2012 01:28 PM Re: Redemption? |
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Cowherd is going to trash baseball no matter what you say or what facts you come up with so that's probably a waste of time.
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Ceetar Jun 22 2012 01:32 PM Re: Redemption? |
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oh, I'm aware of that. I wanted it for my own personal curiosity. I wasn't going to respond to Coward.
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metirish Jun 22 2012 01:33 PM Re: Redemption? |
Ratings
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metirish Jun 22 2012 01:35 PM Re: Redemption? |
World Series ratings
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Ceetar Jun 22 2012 01:44 PM Re: Redemption? |
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Yeah, specifically last night's. Was just curious if there were more total viewers that viewed baseball than basketball.
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metsmarathon Jun 22 2012 01:56 PM Re: Redemption? |
there were only 6 games in baseball last night.
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Ceetar Jun 22 2012 02:01 PM Re: Redemption? |
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yeah, was a Thursday so not a great night for it. Actually, wonder how the Marlins did in relation.
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metirish Jun 22 2012 03:41 PM Re: Redemption? |
Josh Levin ponders the dumbness of the sports media in relation to James, much like we are here.
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Ashie62 Jun 22 2012 07:51 PM Re: Redemption? |
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how about both lol
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MFS62 Jun 22 2012 09:16 PM Re: Redemption? |
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That reminds me of what was said about the players on the NCAA Championship winning Marquette basketball team. "They can do everything with a basketball except autograph it". Later
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Frayed Knot Jun 22 2012 09:35 PM Re: Redemption? |
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One sentence in the first paragraph of that piece says it perfectly: "The nightly poking and prodding of LeBron James was everything that’s wrong with 21st-century sports opinioneering: The insistence that every moment of every big game is legacy-defining, that missed shots reveal a lack of heart and character, that losing a game makes you a loser." A week and a half ago James was the chokiest choker who ever choked and today no one could resist talking about how quickly he can be on a par with Michael Jordan (assuming he's not already).
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Ceetar Jun 22 2012 10:13 PM Re: Redemption? |
I'm starting to think that this sort of stuff is better off ignored than publicly eye-rolled at. at least from within the sport. (This being mainly a baseball forum, I'm not really worried about the intricacies of basketball coverage)
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Ashie62 Jun 23 2012 03:08 PM Re: Redemption? |
Call me silly..I havent had sports radio on since 1998. There is some sort of choice.
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themetfairy Jun 23 2012 04:32 PM Re: Redemption? |
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This. I only listen to WFAN when there's a game on.
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Benjamin Grimm Jun 24 2012 06:20 AM Re: Redemption? |
Me too. I quit WFAN in 2005, when my commute got longer. WFAN in small doses was tolerable, but for longer periods, it would have been maddening.
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Ceetar Jun 24 2012 07:22 AM Re: Redemption? |
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That's not the point. Lots of people want sports talk. I'd rather listen to sports discussion than music, both during my commute and occasionally at work as background noise or when I'm futzing around the house. Should I stop wanting that because the people doing it in NY are so bad at it?
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metsmarathon Jun 24 2012 12:25 PM Re: Redemption? |
sadly, i fear the people doing it in new york are, on average, far better at it than the rest of the country.
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Ceetar Jun 24 2012 12:36 PM Re: Redemption? |
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Low bar indeed. I've been wondering if we still need 20/20 sports updates. or traffic updates. Does the internet/twitter/gps/smartphone world make those things basically a waste of airtime?
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Benjamin Grimm Jun 24 2012 02:36 PM Re: Redemption? |
Traffic updates are still very useful. I don't have a smart phone, but I do have a car radio. And even if I did have a smart phone, I wouldn't be reading traffic tweets while I was driving.
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Ceetar Jun 24 2012 03:00 PM Re: Redemption? |
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curious though..how often does a traffic update on the radio cause you to alter the route? It's not just the smart phone thing (although if you're navigating it'll help you without even looking at it) because all that info is accessible _before_ you get on the road. Google will even guess at which is the best route given current traffic conditions. But maybe it is useful. I'm really not sure. the same with the sports updates. I feel like talk radio needs some innovation or change. just thinking of which direction it could go. Maybe instead of recapping news that's hours and hours old, an update on 'top stories' as suggestions or teasers about what the discussion topics of the show are? Use it as a way to direct the flow and topics of the show?
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SteveJRogers Jun 24 2012 04:01 PM Re: Redemption? |
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I'm working on that... On the flip side though, there isn't that much similarity between the garden variety sports show caller or even hosts themselves and your average forum troll or Tweep (I believe that's what they are calling people who tweet now) who can now tweet death threats to famous persons' accounts. I mean your example of Cowherd is the perfect example of trolling to get a reaction from callers and electronic users (email/Twitter). Oh he might believe exactly what he's saying, but not in the Chris Russo "just having fun by tweaking Yankee fans" sort of way, but he is saying what he's saying to get a reaction from his listeners. The problem though lies in the format structure where there isn't back-and-forth debate with ESPN's shows. Granted there is the Francesa "hand wave" but I find that locally there is more room for a nice 3-5 minute back-and-forth conversation while on ESPN's national shows it's just "I'll read your tweet or email, or I'll place your voice mail message, or you have only 30 seconds to make a point." and there is no back-and-forth. Granted yes the back and forth most likely would just be agreeing to disagree, but at least it's an effort to have a debate rather than "Here is feedback that we've been getting."
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