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Ceetar Jun 28 2012 07:27 AM

we don't have a Dr Who thread? we've started watch the new series. took a little to get used to it, but it's grown on me. Really enjoying it now, and there are all sorts of crazy spin offs. Just watched the weeping angels episode. good stuff. Maybe I just have a liking of time travel. Okay, let me get my head around this. You're reading aloud from a transcript of a conversation you're still having?

Mets – Willets Point Jun 28 2012 07:55 AM Re: Dr Who

I avoided Doctor Who for so long but finally last August I gave in and started watching the new series from 2005 forward. I was immediately hooked and watched all six seasons in about two months. Then I went back and started watching the classic series. I didn't watch every single episode but I watched a hefty representation of the work of every incarnation of the Doctor. I'm totally a Doctor Who geek now. Looking forward to season 7 in the fall.

Ceetar Jun 28 2012 07:56 AM Re: Dr Who

yeah, I'll probably hit up some of the older stuff when I finish (in season 3 now) There are a couple of spin offs too. Torchwood, and something else that I forget at the moment.

Mets – Willets Point Jun 28 2012 08:01 AM Re: Dr Who

I watched the first episode of Torchwood and was not impressed although it's supposed to get better. The other spin-off is The Sarah Jane Adventures.

Vic Sage Jun 28 2012 08:37 AM Re: Dr Who

TORCHWOOD was excellent; SARAH JANE is a kid show. I loved David Tennant's Doctor; his relationship with Rose Tyler was heartbreaking. And while I'm not as big a fan of Matt Smith, Amy Pond (the girl who waited) is hands down my favorite companion (and not just for the obvious red-headed reason). Smith's episodes also have Rory and River Song, the best collection of continuing characters in the post-2005 period of the show.

Mets – Willets Point Jun 28 2012 09:06 AM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage wrote: Amy Pond (the girl who waited) is hands down my favorite companion (and not just for the obvious red-headed reason). And she's quite the redhead too. And with that Scottish accent, whew!

Ceetar Jun 28 2012 09:13 AM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Vic Sage wrote: Amy Pond (the girl who waited) is hands down my favorite companion (and not just for the obvious red-headed reason). And she's quite the redhead too. And with that Scottish accent, whew! something to look forward to. Not that I dislike Martha Jones or anything.

Mets – Willets Point Jun 28 2012 09:16 AM Re: Dr Who Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 28 2012 10:16 AM

One of my favorite companions is Donna Noble played by Catherine Tate who you will see in the fourth season. She doesn't fit the mold of young, sexy sidekicks but has great comic timing and pulls off gravitas when she needs to as well.

Vic Sage Jun 28 2012 10:15 AM Re: Dr Who

Donna was outside the mold of beautiful young companions who totally idolized the doctor. she was older, no nonsense, and gave him a run for his money, with no romantic tension. The doctor had more of a relationship with Donna's grandfather than he did with her. And though she offered a good and funny change of pace, i still prefer the Rose / Amy type companions.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 28 2012 10:56 AM Re: Dr Who

I never saw Doctor Who, but I like (liked?) Torchwood a lot, especially the original two seasons on the BBC. Last summer's series on Starz was okay, but not as good as the original series. I do hope it continues.

Mets – Willets Point Jul 02 2012 10:01 AM Re: Dr Who

Diana Rigg to appear in an episode next season.

Vic Sage Jul 02 2012 11:53 AM Re: Dr Who

the original spy girl -- oh happy day!

Zvon Aug 11 2012 04:38 PM Re: Dr Who

......soon baby. From WikiP: The upcoming seventh series of the British science fiction television series Doctor Who will be broadcast on BBC One from autumn 2012 to early 2013. There will be six episodes broadcast in 2012, including the 2012 Christmas Special; the remaining eight episodes will air in 2013.

MFS62 Aug 12 2012 12:53 PM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage wrote: the original spy girl -- oh happy day! "The Women of Dr. Who" was on cable last night on the BBC channel. Check your listings, it might get repeated. LAter

Mets – Willets Point Aug 13 2012 09:14 AM Re: Dr Who

Have you all seen the trailers for Series 7? [youtube:kyuomcof]TLKGePNr61k[/youtube:kyuomcof] [youtube:kyuomcof]qrEUBl2pacU[/youtube:kyuomcof]

Ceetar Aug 13 2012 09:30 AM Re: Dr Who

Not yet, I have ONE episode left. the last of season 6. Then we'll watch the trailers. And be sad that we've caught up.

RealityChuck Aug 13 2012 10:56 AM Re: Dr Who

I started watching Doctor Who in the early 80s; our local PBS station was running the Tom Baker episodes, and eventually broadcast all existing stories, so that, at the time they did "The Five Doctors" -- their 20th anniversary special -- we were as up to date as anyone in the UK (they actually showed it to us a couple of days before anyone else in the world as a fundraising effort). So I'm a major fan, both of the original and the modern series. I'm a big Tom Baker fan, but my favorite these days is David Tennant, and I think Ecclestone did a terrific job at reviving the character. I also have the original script for the Weeping Angels story ("Blink"). They made some minor changes in broadcast; the one I missed was Sally Sparrow's ringtone, which in the script was supposed to be one of those dramatic chords ("Dom Dom DOMMMMM"). In the first scene, when she revealed her name under the wallpaper, her phone was supposed to ring.

Ceetar Aug 13 2012 11:57 AM Re: Dr Who

RealityChuck wrote: I'm a big Tom Baker fan, but my favorite these days is David Tennant, and I think Ecclestone did a terrific job at reviving the character. I haven't watched any of the older stuff yet, I'm going to probably start now that I've caught up, but I agree on Tennant. Although Matt Smith is growing on me.

RealityChuck Aug 13 2012 02:09 PM Re: Dr Who

The old versions of the Doctor were really children's shows -- pure plot and simple characterizations. Some very good stories, though. The special effects were terrible, but that's part of the charm. You have people wrapping themselves up in a fire hose that was supposed to be an alien's tentacle, for instance. But that particular episode was otherwise quite good. The main change with the new Doctor is a far greater depth of characterization and a focus on the human element that was just not a part of 60s TV. You can start where you like with Classic Who, but I recommend "City of Death" (with a Douglas Adams script). When I have more time, I can list the best episodes of the original show.

Ceetar Aug 13 2012 02:28 PM Re: Dr Who

RealityChuck wrote: You can start where you like with Classic Who, but I recommend "City of Death" (with a Douglas Adams script). When I have more time, I can list the best episodes of the original show. you had me at Douglas Adams.

RealityChuck Aug 13 2012 07:20 PM Re: Dr Who

OK, here are my picks for the essential Doctor Who episodes (original series). Don't miss episodes are in red. First Doctor (William Hartnell) An Unearthly Child, episode 1. In which the Doctor is introduced. Only the first episode is required; the rest of the serial -- messing around with cavemen -- is pretty routine. The Daleks. More for historical interest, though still a decent story. The Chase. Probably the best First Doctor episode -- tightly written. It also shows the departure of two of the original companions. Check out the accent of the guy on the Empire State Building -- he's supposed to have a New York accent, but he sounds like an alien. Also, special appearance by the Beatles. The Time Meddler. First introduction of another Time Lord, the Meddling Monk. In many ways, he's a good guy, but the Doctor treats him like a villain. The Tenth Planet. Introduces the Cybermen, and also regeneration. Second Doctor (Patrick Troughton) Most of the Second Doctor's serials are incomplete, so it's hard to pick them. The Tomb of the Cybermen. Considered a classic of the era. The War Games. First class story, and the second doctor's last one, about aliens and humans taken to a planet to fight endless wars for entertainment. Third Doctor (Jon Pertwee) Spearhead from Space. His first adventure. Introduced the Nestene consciousness, who were the bad guys in the first episode of the new series. Terror of the Autons. The Nestene Consciousness again, but best for the introduction of the Master, the Doctor's "best enemy." The Sea Devils. A new alien threat. The Three Doctors. A chance for all the doctors in one episode. For me, this marks the beginning of the golden age of the original show. The Time Warrior. Introduces Sarah Jane Smith and also the Sontarans. It's also the first time the Doctor gives the name of his home planet: Gallifrey. Planet of the Spiders. Pertwee's last serial as the Doctorl. Fourth Doctor (Tom Baker) It's hard to limit his episodes; there were so many good ones. I'll be leaving out many that were better than some of the ones I've recommended for the first three Doctors. Genesis of the Daleks. Where they came from, and notable, too, for the introduction of Davros. This is the best portrayal of the character -- even better than the way he's shown in the new series. Pyramids of Mars. Ancient Egyptian mythology as science fiction. The Brain of Morbius. Chock full of great concepts, great villains, and strangeness. And, of course, a brain in a jar. The Hand of Fear. Sarah Jane's last appearance. Another great story. Eldrad must live! The Face of Evil. Introduces Leela, a savage woman of the Sevateem. On of the Doctor's best companions. The Robots of Death. I'm not a fan, but many consider it the best Baker episode. The Talons of Weng-Chiang. The best Baker episode other than City of Death. Leela in Victorian London is worth it, but it's got a great villain and good plotting. The Pirate Planet. Another Douglas Adams script. One of the top ten episodes of the series. This is part of a season-long arc, The Key to Time The Power of Kroll. More Key to Time. This is the terrible special effects episode I mentioned, but it works well. The Armageddon Factor. Final segment of The Key to Time, and it's excellent. Final episode with Mary Tamm, another great companion. City of Death. Already mentioned. BTW, though Adams co-wrote the script, he used a pseudonym. Nightmare of Eden. The Doctor uncovers a drug smuggler on a space liner. Great story, with my favorite line: "Of course we should interfere. Always do what you're best at!" Shada -- never completed, though there is a version using linking narration by Baker. I mention this because it's the third and last Douglas Adams script. The Keeper of Traken. Another first-class story. Fifth Doctor (Peter Davison) Earthshock. Terrific adventure episode, with an ending that no one expected. Time-Flight. Silly concept, but handled well. Arc of Infinity. More good adventure, about a renegade time lord who's supposedly a villain. Mawdryn Undead. Absolutely amazing. Not as funny as City of Death, but a classic (though it does help if you see some of the third doctor episodes first). The Five Doctors. Anniversary special. Nicely done. The Caves of Androzani. I think it's only so-so, but was voted the best serial a couple of years ago. Last appearance of Davison. Sixth Doctor (Colin Baker) A lot of weak episodes here; the producers were tired but weren't allowed to quit. Plus the BBC wanted to eliminate all SF from their schedule. The Mark of the Rani. Another Time Lord villain is introduces. The Mysterious Planet. The show had been put on a hiatus and there was a belief that the BBC wanted to cancel. The entire season was called Trial of a Time Lord, and it was the series that was on trial. They started out well. Mindwarp. Another great show with a shocking ending. Bonus: BRIAN BLESSED!!!! Terror of the Vervoids. Introduces Mel, a companion who many hate (I didn't mind her). Good story here. Baker was fired after this season; he was the weakest of the Doctors and the least likable. Seventh Doctor (Sylvester McCoy) McCoy went back to being a man of mystery, plus several of his stories were gloriously weird and off beat. Some of the ones I love are hated by fans, but I like weird. Paradise Towers. A classic. Clever script and setup, great society building, good characters, and subtle humor/horror. Originally written for Colin Baker. The Happiness Patrol. Not to all tastes, but I loved it. The main villain, Helen A, was supposed to be a satire of Margaret Thatcher, and the setup is reminiscent of a Monty Python routine, but I loved the juxtaposition of innocent images and horror. The Greatest Show in the Galaxy. Also weird. The ending is a bit weak, but it's similar to the other McCoys in that it uses mundane things as a basis for horror. Eighth Doctor (Paul McGann) Doctor Who. A made for TV movie that was meant to reboot the franchise, but those involved didn't really understand Doctor Who. It was nice that Sylvester McCoy was shown regenerating to keep the continuity, and there were some nice elements (and some that everyone had deliberately erased from their memory), but the story was mundane.

Ceetar Aug 13 2012 09:25 PM Re: Dr Who

Thanks. will look into obtaining most of those.

Zvon Aug 14 2012 06:54 PM Re: Dr Who

ANYONE JUST GETTING INTO WHO OR NEWLY WHO AND CATCHING UP PROBABLY SHOULD NOT READ THIS. Thats an awesome list RC. I will look for em.Thank you. Now my Doctor Who ramblings: I started watching DW way back in the 70s, though not regularly. If it was on PBS and I was there (the only thing I can think of that would put me there was Monty Python's Flying Circus, which I never missed- as you can see from the Palin post above (that's from the Hilter sketch.Link:[url]http://www.youtube.com/watchv=vlmGknvr_Pg&list=PLC29DF2044F3F6E91&index=2&feature=plpp_video), I'd watch it, and enjoyed it. I didn't go out of my way for it. Even then the effects were cheap and a bit behind the times (say, compared to Star Trek TOS, which in retrospect looks aged but was pretty cutting edge for TV, or more-so TV budgets, at the time) but the show itself, plots and writing, I always found interesting. I'm sure the first Doctor I ever viewed was Pertwee (with Sarah Jane in the early 70's), and he was good, looked the part, but like many I found Tom Baker to be much better, cooler, more relatable to a guy my age. That's when I learned of regeneration and I thought "what a novel idea-this show could go on forever if they want". I watched more during the Baker years but still did not feel it was one of those can't miss an episode type of shows. In '81, Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy aired and I really dug this. This was something else. It was like Doctor Who in many ways- production values, a mix of video and film, smarts, its Englishness. This was a limited run series and I was hooked on it. At about the same time Tom Baker made way for Peter Davidson in the role of the Doctor. I don't think I ever gave Davidson a chance. I didn't lose interest because he was in the role. I lost any interest cause Baker wasn't in the role. So that's where I left off on Doctor Who until the 2005 reboot, which I watched from day one. Pretty sure SciFi ran it to start here in the U.S.(at least until some point during the Tennant years). It became less accessible later, but I always found a way to view the eps. Just started getting the BBC-America channel last year so it should be easier now. In regards to the reboot: Really liked Eccleston and was a bit surprised that his run was so short lived. Loved Rose. Capt Jack was a blast. Loved the way they started the whole under running theme with Bad Wolf. Eccleston's doctor was a lil darker and more serious than I expected. I liked that. When Tennant took over I felt: hmm, scrawny and bubbly guy but likeable. I was ready to not like him cause I liked Eccleston so much, but he won me over easily during The Christmas Invasion. I kinda realized at this point that it was the good writing that carried this show. Rose's whole storyline was beautiful. At first sight I thought no way am I gonna like this new companion, Donna Noble, but Catherine Tate was just so good in this role that eventually I thought she was a fantastic and very entertaining companion. After debuting in The Runaway Bride(the 2006 Christmas Special)Donna was put on the shelf for a bit, and Martha Jones came on the scene. Martha became known as "the rebound companion" due to the Doctors experiences with Rose. Jones had such a crush on the Doctor, but his heart was now locked away. She became another great companion and possibly even a better character after she stopped traveling with The Doctor. Soon there were appearances by all the new companions overlapping (including Capt Jack), and I really liked that. And they brought back an old companion, Sarah Jane Smith. Sarah was the first companion I watched as she met and joined the Doctor (early 70's)and it was a stroke of genius to bring her back and create her spin-off series (which I have never watched). It also created a bridge to the series first run (1963-89) and gave me a new appreciation of those old Dr Whos. Around this point I became a certified Semi-Whovian. Tennant was great, for the most part the writing was great, and this was a great time for everything Who. From the end of 2008 and on, Doctor Who was not aired as a regular series as it had been from 2005 to 2008. During this period they aired 4 holiday/seasonal specials. Tennant rode out a great run as the Doctor at this time. The beginning of his end was signaled in 2008 when an alien Ood told the Doctor that “I think your song must end soon.” This was echoed again in 2009 by Carmen, a psychic, when she states:“You be careful, because your song is ending, sir It is returning. It is returning through the dark. And then Doctor oh, but then he will knock four times.” This made for the set up of the extremely satisfying finale to the 10th Doctors adventures in "The End Of Time". And that brings us to the 11th doctor. When I first saw Matt Smith I thought: yikes, shave that head of hair and this guy looks like the Frankenstein monster. He's not going to make a good Doctor. By the end of The Eleventh Hour not only did he win me over, but I thought this guy might be the best Doctor ever. And he didn't look like a monster to me anymore. He looked like the Doctor! Nerdy cool, almost hip, yakatty and thinks bow ties and fez's are kool. Lovin Smiths portrayal. Amy's a lil hotty and also a pretty independent spirit. Rory is, well,...Rory. Not a huge fan of Rory although his story has been most interesting. River Songs might be the most awsome overall storyline of the entire series IMO. What a brilliant move to bring her back to see how that relationship started. During the Tennant years she appeared in a two-parter where we saw how that relationship ended. They snazzed her up and brought back Alex Kingston, who plays her perfectly. I love River Song and hope she sticks around. In my opinion Steven Moffat is one of the best writers and minds in the business. Not that Russell P Davis was a slouch. He's also one of the best and did a great job running the show from the reboot til the 11th Doctor (all writers on Who are very talented). Still, glad Moffat was given the reigns. What The Moff did with series 5 & 6 just kept me glued episode after episode. The crack in time, the mystery surrounding River Song, and The Silence with "the question that must never be asked" were all great under running themes. And even if you were able to guess where he was going with each of them, in terms of reveals and twists, he made the trip there so much fun that it didn't matter. Did it occur to me who River was? Yes, but somehow when the moment came, I was still surprised. I was distracted. There was so much going on. The Moff is great at this type of deception or slight of hand. Did I guess what "The Question"would be? No other question occurred to me other than the correct one. But still, when revealed I was like HA-COOL! And when the Doctor is told what "The Question" is, he walks away, then stops and looks back at the camera with a little twinkle in his eye that said to me: You knew where we were going all along with this one but wasn't it an awesome journey just getting here. It was. Looking forward big time to this season/series coming up. I just got the episode R-Chuck mentioned,"The Five Doctors", and the 1996 TV movie, and I'm gonna check them out. I'm kinda surprised that an air date for season 7 has not been given yet. I've read some stuff since my last post in this thread and I can say I'm not really sure when the series will start up again. Narrowed it down to either the end of August of some time in September. Here is a simple and great lil web site that has a lot of info about Doctor Who: http://www.drwhoguide.com/who.htm OE: And yea, since the reboot each new Doctor has become my favorite.

Mets – Willets Point Aug 15 2012 09:42 AM Re: Dr Who

I also recently made a list of Classic Doctor Who stories that I thought would make a good overview for a new to Who viewer. Overall, I recommend avoiding most stories with the classic villains - the Daleks, the Cybermen, and the Master - as they are generally rubbish due to overuse. Hartnell: An Unearthly Child - at least watch the first episode since it sets the stage for everything else. The Aztecs - classic historical The Dalek Invasion of Earth - great location filming with Daleks in a future London The Romans - comic historical The Time Meddler - Saxon historical, or is it? The Gunfighters - comic historical musical Troughton: The Faceless Ones - missing episodes but has a modern feel Tomb of the Cybermen - crappy Cyberman story saved by great performance by Troughton The Mind Robber - inventive and surreal The Invasion - compelling performances by guest cast make this a rare interesting Cyberman story The War Games - epic story that keeps opening new layers like an onion with the ultimate reveal changing the show forever Pertwee Spearhead From Space - Action, adventure and in color The Three Doctors - nonsensical but charming 10th anniversary story Carnival of Monsters - really pushes what can be done with Doctor Who to new levels The Green Death - social and environmental issues and the touching departure of a companion The Time Warrior - a new companion, a new villain, and a new way of messing with the Earth's past T. Baker The Ark in Space - great acting with bubble wrap Genesis of the Daleks - the best Dalek stories have hardly any Daleks in them The Brain of Morbius - Frankenstein, Who-style The Seeds of Doom - multi-continental epic with killer plants Horror of Fang Rock - character study in a lighthouse with a killer alien The Ribos Operation - crackling dialogue and good guest performances City of Death - comic mystery in Paris Warrior's Gate - worth it for the opening tracking shot and all-around surreal weirdness Davison Kinda - great performances of insanity and mind control Snakedance - sequel to Kinda which effectively creates a whole society's mythology and great supporting cast Mawdryn Undead - timey wimey wibbly wobbly stuff The Awakening - historical reenactors gone horribly wrong The Caves of Androzani - great acting, great direction, great drama - more like a film than a tv show C. Baker Vengeance on Varos - the future of reality tv The Two Doctors - the Second Doctor returns (I have a soft spot for Troughton) McCoy Remembrance of the Daleks - Daleks and Doctor Who history done right The Happiness Patrol - high camp and anti-Thatcherism The Greatest Show in the Galaxy - scary clowns Battlefield - Arthurian myth and a multi-national UNIT The Curse of Fenric - Russians, Alan Turing, and vampires

Zvon Aug 15 2012 05:07 PM Re: Dr Who

Great list Willet. "The Gunfighters" was a musical episode? Wow. They did that kinda stuff back then? Watched "The Five Doctors" and it was classic Who. A little plodding at times but hey, all five early Doctors. How could it not be enjoyable? Not nearly as cheesy as you would expect.

RealityChuck Aug 16 2012 07:56 AM Re: Dr Who

Well, technically, The Five Doctors has only four of the originals; William Harnell had died, so the first Doctor was played by Richard Hurndale. And Tom Baker didn't take part (the official explanation was a scheduling conflict, but Baker later admitted he just didn't want to go back to the role). His appearance consisted of footage of Shada, the episode that never aired due to a strike interrupting the filming.

Ceetar Aug 16 2012 09:49 AM Re: Dr Who

Finally watched the last (well, the Wedding of River Song and then the Christmas episode) bit of Dr. Who I had left. That alternate world was fun. I think that last one was really my favorite season, although I really liked season 4 as well. Rory is, well,...Rory. Not a huge fan of Rory although his story has been most interesting. I'm not the biggest fan of his either but his story has been pretty fun overall. I like that they generally keep him in the background. He's like Amy's companion. And they always leave him off screen for the big reunions. Which is fine. They seemed to depart from the jealousy angle in this last season, so that was nice. Supposedly Rory and Amy only have another couple of episodes.

Mets – Willets Point Aug 16 2012 09:51 AM Re: Dr Who

Don't forget, Rory dies almost as often as Kenny from South Park.

Ceetar Aug 16 2012 10:03 AM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Don't forget, Rory dies almost as often as Kenny from South Park.

Zvon Aug 16 2012 03:24 PM Re: Dr Who

RealityChuck wrote: Well, technically, The Five Doctors has only four of the originals; William Harnell had died, so the first Doctor was played by Richard Hurndale. And Tom Baker didn't take part (the official explanation was a scheduling conflict, but Baker later admitted he just didn't want to go back to the role). His appearance consisted of footage of Shada, the episode that never aired due to a strike interrupting the filming. Hmmm. I did notice the lack of Baker and meant to bring that up. Figured there was a story there. But Hartnell, I thought that was him. Mostly because he was listed in the credits, but that must have been due to the old black & white clip that opens the episode. Sure looked like him. He was very ornery. I have never seen a full Hartnell episode, just clips, and I don't remember him being so snappy. Another thing I noticed about this ep was the soundtrack music, or lack of it. Music was used very sparingly and many times scenes seemed odd in that there was no incidental noises going on at all in the backround of scenes. This made me think more about the current Who soundtrack music. While I found Murray Golds music to be somewhat overbearing at times toward the end of Tennants run, the music he has composed for seasons 5 & 6 has been fantastic. I think its his best work and adds to the reasons I have found these last two seasons to be the best of the new Who. Ceetar wrote: Finally watched the last (well, the Wedding of River Song and then the Christmas episode) bit of Dr. Who I had left. That alternate world was fun. I think that last one was really my favorite season, although I really liked season 4 as well. Rory is, well,...Rory. Not a huge fan of Rory although his story has been most interesting. I'm not the biggest fan of his either but his story has been pretty fun overall. I like that they generally keep him in the background. He's like Amy's companion. And they always leave him off screen for the big reunions. Which is fine. They seemed to depart from the jealousy angle in this last season, so that was nice. Supposedly Rory and Amy only have another couple of episodes. Great thing about this show is they could kill em off if they want and that don't mean they won't return, as Rory well knows. To me, Rory was like Amys lapdog at the start. The character did gain some depth, standing up to the Doctor at times and did have one of the most visually stunning scenes of all last season at the opening of "A Good Man Goes To War", but he keeps reverting back to Amys pet (he was literally Amys pet in "The Girl Who Waited"). He can be wibbly-wobbly w/o the timey whimy. I hope Darvill is given more to work with in season 7. I will miss both when they move on.

Mets – Willets Point Aug 16 2012 06:21 PM Re: Dr Who

I like Rory because he's an ordinary bloke. He doesn't fit the usual tv tropes of macho hunk or a shy nerd genius, although he has elements of both. I like that he can be heroic without being a hero. He really just seems like what an everyday guy would be like in that situation and that makes him funny, because I can relate.

Vic Sage Aug 17 2012 08:06 AM Re: Dr Who

Rory waited 2000 fucking years for the girl he loved, while guarding her tomb with a Roman sword! He's the boy who waited! Give the guy his props.

RealityChuck Aug 20 2012 11:38 AM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: RealityChuck wrote: Well, technically, The Five Doctors has only four of the originals; William Harnell had died, so the first Doctor was played by Richard Hurndale. And Tom Baker didn't take part (the official explanation was a scheduling conflict, but Baker later admitted he just didn't want to go back to the role). His appearance consisted of footage of Shada, the episode that never aired due to a strike interrupting the filming. Hmmm. I did notice the lack of Baker and meant to bring that up. Figured there was a story there. But Hartnell, I thought that was him. Mostly because he was listed in the credits, but that must have been due to the old black & white clip that opens the episode. Sure looked like him. He was very ornery. I have never seen a full Hartnell episode, just clips, and I don't remember him being so snappy. I had forgotten that the used that clip. But they had to cast Hurndale, especially since Baker wasn't there. Hurndall was made up to look like Hartnell, of course. The First Doctor was very ornery and difficult; the usual description in the UK is "tetchy" (i.e., irritable and touchy). He was far from the heroic mode; one of the reasons why he usually had a male companion along was to handle the fight scenes (Hartnell was old and suffered from arteriosclerosis even as he was cast; it was the reason he left the show, and some episodes were written so he didn't even appear). He often just wanted to leave and not bother with an alien threat, but was forced to by circumstances.

Zvon Aug 20 2012 01:54 PM Re: Dr Who Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 20 2012 06:05 PM

Interesting stuff Chuck, ty. After last seasons finale I created some wallpaper which I had up for awhile. As we wait to see when the show will start up again feel free to pump yourself up with this cool River Song wallpaper. Two types: one with the doctor, one without. And spoilers! [url]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0lW0j51uLwk/UDKKi5QA5nI/AAAAAAAAAfY/LgCDOKQaa7Q/s1440/TheImpossibleRiver.jpg [url]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Jp72B58qZy8/UDKKiA_lb9I/AAAAAAAAAfg/UT1kYfdgw0g/s1152/The%2520Impossible%2520River%2520with%2520the%2520Doctor.jpg OE: It just occurred to me that there may be someone not caught up. I removed the images. Use link to see.

Mets – Willets Point Aug 20 2012 03:31 PM Re: Dr Who

RealityChuck wrote: RealityChuck wrote: Well, technically, The Five Doctors has only four of the originals; William Harnell had died, so the first Doctor was played by Richard Hurndale. And Tom Baker didn't take part (the official explanation was a scheduling conflict, but Baker later admitted he just didn't want to go back to the role). His appearance consisted of footage of Shada, the episode that never aired due to a strike interrupting the filming. Hmmm. I did notice the lack of Baker and meant to bring that up. Figured there was a story there. But Hartnell, I thought that was him. Mostly because he was listed in the credits, but that must have been due to the old black & white clip that opens the episode. Sure looked like him. He was very ornery. I have never seen a full Hartnell episode, just clips, and I don't remember him being so snappy. I had forgotten that the used that clip. But they had to cast Hurndale, especially since Baker wasn't there. Hurndall was made up to look like Hartnell, of course. The First Doctor was very ornery and difficult; the usual description in the UK is "tetchy" (i.e., irritable and touchy). He was far from the heroic mode; one of the reasons why he usually had a male companion along was to handle the fight scenes (Hartnell was old and suffered from arteriosclerosis even as he was cast; it was the reason he left the show, and some episodes were written so he didn't even appear). He often just wanted to leave and not bother with an alien threat, but was forced to by circumstances. It should also be noted that in the 60s they were filming 40+ episodes per season, literally working year round. Sometimes a character wouldn't appear in a few episodes so that the actors could take a vacation.

Vic Sage Aug 21 2012 08:14 AM Re: Dr Who

i've been watching last season again with my son on netflix, in anticipation of the new season. Just finished the last episode, and you know what? I love River Song. And her mama's damn fine too.

Mets – Willets Point Aug 21 2012 10:21 AM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage wrote: I love River Song. And her mama's damn fine too. Hottest chronologically-inverted mother/daughter pairing since Natalie Portman and Carrie Fischer.

Vic Sage Aug 21 2012 10:29 AM Re: Dr Who

good point, but I might even take River and Amy over Padma/Leia, if just based on performance and redness of tresses. Though Leia in the gold bikini... well, that was a landmark of sorts.

Zvon Aug 24 2012 07:31 PM Re: Dr Who

Doctor Who series 7 premieres September 1st, 9pm on BBC-Amer. Leading up to the broadcast the station will be airing 2 days of Who. Series 5 & 6 and all specials, including the Xmas ones. There is also something called "Pond Life" that will begin on August 27th. Featuring the Doctor, Amy and Rory, this five-part mini-adventure premieres on the BBCs Doctor Who website, link below. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006q2x0 I'm pumped.

Ceetar Aug 29 2012 04:47 PM Re: Dr Who

haven't watched Pond Life yet. I'm debating just letting my DVR record the new season and watching it all when I return. relatedly, I found a torrent that has most of the old stuff on it. 46.8 of 228gbs downloaded so far.

Zvon Aug 29 2012 06:24 PM Re: Dr Who

Ceetar wrote: haven't watched Pond Life yet. I'm debating just letting my DVR record the new season and watching it all when I return. relatedly, I found a torrent that has most of the old stuff on it. 46.8 of 228gbs downloaded so far. I've seen a few of those complete Who torrents. I've been tempted but its such a huge file. Id actually have to make room for it. Lemme know how that goes. Re: Props to Rory. I like Rory. Its just that he seems to be used primarily as a plot device. Id like to see more depth and personality with that character. I know hes a peripheral character but I'd like to know more about him. I mean, what do we know of his past aside from the fact that he's a nurse and he has been following Amy around like a puppy since childhood?

Mets – Willets Point Aug 29 2012 06:35 PM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: Re: Props to Rory. I like Rory. Its just that he seems to be used primarily as a plot device. Id like to see more depth and personality with that character. I know hes a peripheral character but I'd like to know more about him. I mean, what do we know of his past aside from the fact that he's a nurse and he has been following Amy around like a puppy since childhood? SPOILERS: Apparently Rory's father will appear in an episode this coming season.

Zvon Aug 29 2012 06:48 PM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Re: Props to Rory. I like Rory. Its just that he seems to be used primarily as a plot device. Id like to see more depth and personality with that character. I know hes a peripheral character but I'd like to know more about him. I mean, what do we know of his past aside from the fact that he's a nurse and he has been following Amy around like a puppy since childhood? SPOILERS: Apparently Rory's father will appear in an episode this coming season. I peeked. There ya go!

Ceetar Aug 29 2012 07:16 PM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: haven't watched Pond Life yet. I'm debating just letting my DVR record the new season and watching it all when I return. relatedly, I found a torrent that has most of the old stuff on it. 46.8 of 228gbs downloaded so far. I've seen a few of those complete Who torrents. I've been tempted but its such a huge file. Id actually have to make room for it. Lemme know how that goes. Re: Props to Rory. I like Rory. Its just that he seems to be used primarily as a plot device. Id like to see more depth and personality with that character. I know hes a peripheral character but I'd like to know more about him. I mean, what do we know of his past aside from the fact that he's a nurse and he has been following Amy around like a puppy since childhood? at 55.2 gb now. so like 9 gigs in a couple of hours. I uhh, don't actually have room for it. I'll need to clear about 30 off C:. despite having a terrabyte hard drive.

Zvon Aug 30 2012 01:41 PM Re: Dr Who

Anyone interested in watching the Pond Life mini webisodes who hasn't yet. They are VERY short. One to two minutes tops. Very kool lil slices of Who. I expected them to be longer, like 15 minutes each. Shame they weren't but they are still nice cute fillers.

Mets – Willets Point Aug 30 2012 02:06 PM Re: Dr Who

An Ood! I can't recall seeing any Ood in the Moffat era.

MFS62 Aug 30 2012 02:10 PM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: Anyone interested in watching the Pond Life mini webisodes who hasn't yet. They are VERY short. One to two minutes tops. If I want to see pond scum, I'll tune in a Yankee game. And two minutes is longer than I can watch them. Later

Mets – Willets Point Aug 30 2012 05:22 PM Re: Dr Who

Does Steven Moffat have a master plan for Doctor Who?

Mets – Willets Point Sep 01 2012 09:29 PM Re: Dr Who

I don't have cable so I'm awaiting the new episode to be available on iTunes and stumbling across spoilers from everyone on the internet who has already seen it.

Ceetar Sep 02 2012 05:14 AM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I don't have cable so I'm awaiting the new episode to be available on iTunes and stumbling across spoilers from everyone on the internet who has already seen it. I don't get why people don't have the common sense to be courteous about stuff like this. Everyone knows that so many people watch these things delayed, or hell, the US viewing was several hours later anyway.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 02 2012 04:11 PM Re: Dr Who

I don't mind so much as I actually kind of like seeing spoilers and I can't expect that people are going to wait until after I've seen the show to discuss it. I was just envious of all the people who got to see it before me. But iTunes downloaded the show now, so after the kids go to bed tonight...

Ceetar Sep 02 2012 06:49 PM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I don't mind so much as I actually kind of like seeing spoilers and I can't expect that people are going to wait until after I've seen the show to discuss it. I was just envious of all the people who got to see it before me. But iTunes downloaded the show now, so after the kids go to bed tonight... true but I'm not sure random tweets or postings on Facebook of "Snape killed Dumbledore", to repeat a popular spoiler meme, count as 'discussing it'. Episode started a little slow to me, but certainly got interesting in a hurry.

RealityChuck Sep 02 2012 06:59 PM Re: Dr Who

It is annoying, especially since it's perfectly simple to talk about the plot without spoiling twists. All you have to say is, "I never saw that twist coming." People who saw the show know what you're talking about, and those that haven't don't have it ruined. Though I do have an ambivalent feeling about spoilers. I don't think they necessarily ruin the viewing. And sometimes they're sillly: I heard complaints years ago about someone giving up the twist to Burke and Willis. But that was based upon a well-known historical event (in Australia) and complaining about spoilers would be like complaining about a US movie on the life of Lincoln that someone gave away the fact that he was assassinated at the end.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 02 2012 07:50 PM Re: Dr Who

Ceetar wrote: Mets – Willets Point wrote: I don't mind so much as I actually kind of like seeing spoilers and I can't expect that people are going to wait until after I've seen the show to discuss it. I was just envious of all the people who got to see it before me. But iTunes downloaded the show now, so after the kids go to bed tonight... true but I'm not sure random tweets or postings on Facebook of "Snape killed Dumbledore", to repeat a popular spoiler meme, count as 'discussing it'. Episode started a little slow to me, but certainly got interesting in a hurry. I still got a laugh out of this t-shirt, as obnoxious as it was.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 02 2012 10:22 PM Re: Dr Who

Well that was definitely a surprise when that actor who wasn't supposed to be in the show yet appeared.

Zvon Sep 03 2012 02:27 PM Re: Dr Who

The premiere was excellent.Two points I want to bring up. SPOILERS! 1) I've been trying to wear blinders when it comes to anything Who that has not happened yet but it's very difficult. I think when there are changes in a Doctor Who series (like comapanions) the fan base gets so involved and crazy that Moffat might feel the need to prepare fans for such drastic changes. The exit of Amy and Rory and the introduction of a new companion has been presented to us in a rather matter of fact way. I'm okay with this. Only because I know the Moff will still find a way to surprise and amaze me. Seeing Amy and Rory on the outs at the start gave me a sense of "keeping it real", and I like that they went that way. Kinda wished they didn't resolve that in the opening and kept it going for a few episodes, but I don't know how many more the Willaims have. I figure this season but you never know with this show. Ill miss them very much. So, this next companion. Even with my blinders I have not been able to avoid pictures and info regarding the new one. So I knew she was the girl trapped on the planet, Oswin Oswald. Did I like her? She was AWESOME! Her bubbley intensity was captivating. She lit up the screen. And it was so sad, at the end, when she realizes what has happened to her. And she gives her life for the Doctor. She is human. Remember her. It was great. I hope what happens is time is re-written and she never makes that space flight. It didn't go unoticed by me that River Song was introduced in a similar way. One of the things I found most interesting and tragic about River is that the first time we ever meet her, she gives her life so that the Doctor can live and they can have their shared future. So behind all Rivers adventures with the Doctor, we know how it will end. This was special. And now we meet Oswin and she also sacrifices herself for the Doctor. Don't be watering down the legend of River Song by using that too many times Moff. Oh yes, I do believe Moffat has had a loose outline in his head where this is all going. There is a plan. 2) The end. Or the ending of the episode. Once again, we have seen this before, and not too long ago. DOCTOR WHO? I have to say that it was enjoyable to see the Daleks saying it, and then a blast to have Matt Smith saying it as he reboarded the TARDIS. I loved it. I always do when they pull that bit. But I did notice it was very similar to the way they ended last seasons finale,when Dorium's head repeats over and over, DOCTOR WHO?! Moffat has developed a winning formula with Doctor Who and the last thing I want to see is him getting all formulatic with his formula. All nit-picking aside I thought the premiere was awesome and good to see the Doctor hit the ground running in season/series 7.

Vic Sage Sep 04 2012 09:56 AM Re: Dr Who

i was a little disappointed by the premiere, but i'm totally open to the possibility that i had inflated expectations. I liked the Oswin girl, but i could hardly understand anything she said. If she's the new companion i may stop watching. I didn't like that Amy & Rory were on the verge of *** SPOILERS *** divorce *** END SPOILERS *** through most of the episode. Their love story is the glue of the last 2 seasons. I didn't like the whole bracelet subplot which sometimes seemed important but then was basically forgotten and dispensed with; I didn't like that the *** SPOILERS *** Dalek prison had no particularly interesting Dalek characters (e.g., supervillain types that would justify being locked up by their fellow Daleks), just the same ole "ex-ter-min-ate" type Daleks*** END SPOILERS ***, But I hated the *** SPOILERS *** human/Dalek hybrids *** END SPOILERS ***; where we get into PKDick territory and it feels derivative and we lose the iconic Dalek appearance.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 07 2012 12:35 PM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage wrote: But I hated the *** SPOILERS *** human/Dalek hybrids *** END SPOILERS ***; where we get into PKDick territory and it feels derivative and we lose the iconic Dalek appearance. I thought they hearkened back to robomen from the 1964 serial "The Dalek Invasion of Earth" with a nanotechnology update.

RealityChuck Sep 07 2012 02:15 PM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: 2) The end. Or the ending of the episode. Once again, we have seen this before, and not too long ago. DOCTOR WHO? I have to say that it was enjoyable to see the Daleks saying it, and then a blast to have Matt Smith saying it as he reboarded the TARDIS. I loved it. I always do when they pull that bit. But I did notice it was very similar to the way they ended last seasons finale,when Dorium's head repeats over and over, DOCTOR WHO?! I think that's a theme for the season. The question as to who the doctor really is. It opens some great possibilities.

Ceetar Sep 07 2012 02:19 PM Re: Dr Who

RealityChuck wrote: Zvon wrote: 2) The end. Or the ending of the episode. Once again, we have seen this before, and not too long ago. DOCTOR WHO? I have to say that it was enjoyable to see the Daleks saying it, and then a blast to have Matt Smith saying it as he reboarded the TARDIS. I loved it. I always do when they pull that bit. But I did notice it was very similar to the way they ended last seasons finale,when Dorium's head repeats over and over, DOCTOR WHO?! I think that's a theme for the season. The question as to who the doctor really is. It opens some great possibilities. And we're pretty sure River Song knows his name, but doesn't know it yet (From our time frame?) so presumably it comes up? Actually, I'm a little confused on that. The Doctor and River seem to be moving in time the same direction right now.

Zvon Sep 07 2012 06:30 PM Re: Dr Who

RealityChuck wrote: Zvon wrote: 2) The end. Or the ending of the episode. Once again, we have seen this before, and not too long ago. DOCTOR WHO? I have to say that it was enjoyable to see the Daleks saying it, and then a blast to have Matt Smith saying it as he reboarded the TARDIS. I loved it. I always do when they pull that bit. But I did notice it was very similar to the way they ended last seasons finale,when Dorium's head repeats over and over, DOCTOR WHO?! I think that's a theme for the season. The question as to who the doctor really is. It opens some great possibilities. I think that would be kool but even if his name is revealed I can't believe it will be his actual name. This has been a mystery since day one and to reveal this would strip him of a big chunk of his mystery. Yes, they will lead us to believe they are revealing the Doctors name but.... whats the Doctors first rule? Ceetar wrote: And we're pretty sure River Song knows his name, but doesn't know it yet (From our time frame?) so presumably it comes up? Yea, during the wedding he supposedly whispered her his name, and then we learned he whispered her a different secret. I just rewatched Silence In The Library/Forest Of The Dead and there is no doubt that at that point she knew the doctors name. And during the climax Tennant says "there's only one reason I'd ever tell anyone my name." That dovetailed nicely with the scene from Rivers wedding because you could assume that marrying someone, even for a Time Lord, would require such information. So did Matt Smith whisper two secrets to River during the wedding? Or is this revealed to River later? And if getting married was not the reason, then what would be the only reason the Doctor would reveal his name? Can't say this show doesn't make you think. Ceetar wrote: Actually, I'm a little confused on that. The Doctor and River seem to be moving in time the same direction right now. When I really sit and think about it its hard to get my head around their time together. I hope there's a lot more story left as far as River goes, but didn't we see the last time they ever kissed, which was the first time for the new Doctor? Ouch, just hurt my brain. I think the only time they are both moving in time in the same direction is when they are together. Now, does he go to her timeline with the Tardis and pick her up? Or does she call? Cause the Doctor always comes when she calls.

Ceetar Sep 07 2012 09:49 PM Re: Dr Who

well we've presumably seen both endpoints right? When River regens into River, and when she's in the library. I do want to go back and watch that one when I have some time. Very interesting dynamic being introduced to such an important character in that manner. It's not just the Doctor's timestream, it's ours. In the Lost Astronaut episode, last season's premier, they're comparing notes right? like they've been to the same places and both remember it..but I guess that was the older doctor right? oof. surely makes you think, but you can't think too hard either. I think we just need to assume while they ultimately are traveling in different directions, there are probably some loop-de-loop wibbly-wobbly bits in the middle.

Zvon Sep 08 2012 04:07 PM Re: Dr Who

Ceetar wrote: well we've presumably seen both endpoints right? When River regens into River, and when she's in the library. I do want to go back and watch that one when I have some time. Very interesting dynamic being introduced to such an important character in that manner. It's not just the Doctor's timestream, it's ours. This interesting dynamic is what makes River/Melody such a great character to me. We are given these huge pieces of the puzzle that is her life. We even see Melody being born at Demons Run. We see her regenerate as a child, possibly into Mels, Amy and Rorys childhood friend. We don't see the end result of that transformation but the clip linked at bottom says she becomes Mels at that point. And yes, we see Mels come back as River (one of my favorite Song scenes:[Touching her body-] " Ohhh, it's all goin' on down there isn't it."[And then she feels her head-]" ..the hair. THE HAIR!"). So yes, we do see her beginning and end. Time can be re-written, but River herself says with her dying words: "Not those times. Not one line. Don't you dare" So, we'll see. I wish we saw more of Mels. That actress was great in the role. Left me wanting for more. Ceetar wrote: In the Lost Astronaut episode, last season's premier, they're comparing notes right? like they've been to the same places and both remember it..but I guess that was the older doctor right? Ha, yes, Jim The Fish is still building his dam (in The Impossible Astronaut). This is a much older Doctor. I'll have to go back and check but I believe while drinking wine at the picnic on the beach that Doctor said he was 1100 years old. The Doctor's age as we know him is 904. Amy and Rory did not pick up on this. River knew exactly what was going on and what was going to happen but she had to act like she didn't. Ceetar wrote: oof. surely makes you think, but you can't think too hard either. I think we just need to assume while they ultimately are traveling in different directions, there are probably some loop-de-loop wibbly-wobbly bits in the middle. This is very true. When I think too hard about River's story I hit big brick walls that tell me to stop thinking so hard. Count all the pieces in the box before you make this puzzle. I don't think they are all there yet. Here's a clip from a Doctor Who Confidential that shows Rivers appearances using her timeline, narrated by Alex Kingston: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xIec1mS ... re=related

Ceetar Sep 08 2012 11:24 PM Re: Dr Who

I was watching Silence in the Library today while bottling beer. Didn't make it to the end of the second ep, but it's almost like a completely different episode when you know River's past.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 10 2012 09:11 PM Re: Dr Who

So what did you all think of Dinosaurs on a Spaceship ? I thought this was a fun episode with all its over-the-top madness. Kind of parody/pastiche of everything a kid might want in a sci-fi movie. The two episodes this season so far have cinematic feel to them and are more self-contained than the previous seasons' story arcs.

Ceetar Sep 11 2012 06:43 AM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: So what did you all think of <spoilers in the title> Dinosaurs on a Spaceship ? I thought this was a fun episode with all its over-the-top madness. Kind of parody/pastiche of everything a kid might want in a sci-fi movie. The two episodes this season so far have cinematic feel to them and are more self-contained than the previous seasons' story arcs. Yeah, it was a nice outside the story arc story. I enjoyed it. a simple "Where'd we end up and what cool thing is happening here?" story. Of course the dino plays fetch. of course they ride it. of course. The beach that powered the thing looked much like the beach that he says goodbye to Rose on. I presume that's probably just because it's the same set though. It was neat to see Amy not perturbed by being in the presence of a queen and ultimately prove herself an equal in her eyes.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 11 2012 07:38 AM Re: Dr Who

It was funny how Amy once on her own with two new companions started behaving like the Doctor.

Ceetar Sep 11 2012 07:56 AM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: It was funny how Amy once on her own with two new companions started behaving like the Doctor. If I've learned anything from watching the Doctor it's start pushing buttons!

Vic Sage Sep 11 2012 08:29 AM Re: Dr Who

i really liked this episode much better than the first. It had that thrilling "anything can happen, and WILL!" feeling. And i think this is the first time this Doctor has *** SPOILERS *** knowingly and intentionally killed a bad guy *** END SPOILERS, and i was OK with it.

Ceetar Sep 11 2012 08:34 AM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage wrote: i really liked this episode much better than the first. It had that thrilling "anything can happen, and WILL!" feeling. And i think this is the first time this Doctor has *** SPOILERS *** knowingly and intentionally killed a bad guy *** END SPOILERS, and i was OK with it. *** SPOILERS *** yeah. that was..odd. And they didn't make much light of it either. All in though, Matt Smith's doctor has been a little less anti-violence than Tennant's

Mets – Willets Point Sep 11 2012 09:54 AM Re: Dr Who

Ceetar wrote: Vic Sage wrote: i really liked this episode much better than the first. It had that thrilling "anything can happen, and WILL!" feeling. And i think this is the first time this Doctor has *** SPOILERS *** knowingly and intentionally killed a bad guy *** END SPOILERS, and i was OK with it. *** SPOILERS *** yeah. that was..odd. And they didn't make much light of it either. All in though, Matt Smith's doctor has been a little less anti-violence than Tennant's The Doctor has killed people before after giving them a chance first and I think that Solomon had his chances to repent for the genocide of the Silurians but the unprovoked attack on Rory's dad and the abduction (and implied sex slavery) of Nefi among other things were clear indications that he wasn't going to reform.

Vic Sage Sep 11 2012 10:06 AM Re: Dr Who

i know he's killed before, but not often and not lightly. Tennant would have brooded about it; Smith laughed it off like he just got off a carnival ride.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 11 2012 10:51 AM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage wrote: i know he's killed before, but not often and not lightly. Tennant would have brooded about it; Smith laughed it off like he just got off a carnival ride. I thought it was similar to when Tennant rather blithely killed the Sycorax leader in "The Christmas Invasion" although he got all broody when the Prime Minister blew up the Sycorax ship later in the same episode.

Zvon Sep 11 2012 05:35 PM Re: Dr Who

Dinosaurs....on a SPACESHIP! Say no more Matt. How could I not enjoy this episode. It had everything. Action, adventure, history, and was funny too. I thought the wacky robots were entertaining. I got a kick out of Amys take charge attitude but not as big a kick as I got from Rorys father. He was great. This does add another dimension to Rory and I enjoyed their rapport. I liked how he came up with the idea of he and Rory driving the spaceship. I always like when a companion thinks of something that is obvious to them/us but not to the Doctor. I thought it funny how he had all kinds of crap in his pockets that came in handy. I especially liked how the Doctor picked them all up in one fell swoop and didn't realize that he had included Rorys dad (I was wondering how they would write him in). Fantastic, as the 9th Doctor used to say. The end when he sits by the door of the Tardis and looks down upon earth was a nice touch. I can't say I wasn't surprised that the Doctor didn't save Solomon. But as far as bad guys go he was as bad as they get. He talked about doing away with the Silurians in such a matter of fact way it made me cringe (was a great way to get them out from inside the earth for good though. So much for that renegotiating in 1000 years). The way he spoke of Queen Nefertiti when he was taking her, like she was an item to be collected. I was hoping when she turned the tables on him that she would have stuck that crutch right through his windpipe. I will say this though. Solomon was outrageously despicable and would have made a fine long term nemesis for the Doctor. David Bradley played the role perfectly. Rian Steele as Queen Nefertiti and Rupert Graves as the Doctors hunter friend John Riddell were excellent (Is Riddell a character that has appeared before?). I saw that Riddell was from the year 1902 which somewhat explained his mindset. This was a great episode.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 16 2012 10:31 PM Re: Dr Who

"A Town Called Mercy" seemed rather predictable. Not that it made it bad but all the twists in the story were signposted well ahead of time. Also, Amy and Rory seemed to be out of the picture for most of the episode, just being brought out for the meaty moral dilemma, and then set aside again. I like it though - great visuals, great acting, and great dialogue such as "His name is Susan. And he wants you to respect his life choices!" I also love it when the BBC has British actors put on comically bad American accents.

Zvon Sep 17 2012 05:54 PM Re: Dr Who

Good ep. This was a morality tale. Yea, predictable. I guess we will be entertained for a bit by the singular adventures of the Doctor with Amy and Rory, and I'm alright with that. The gunslinger was a kool and interesting character as was the other doctor. Both gave excellent performances. I was a little surprised to see the guy from Farscape playing the Marshall. He was very good in this limited role. I am really enjoying the little nuances of Matt Smiths performances. Like when the townfolk all had their guns trained on him while the gunslinger approached. He turned around real quick with his hands up and looked to say "Oh, come on guys" with a pleading look on his face. And the whole toothpick stetson thing he had goin on. Good ep, well written and acted. Good filler until they get on some new track. Was hoping to see River Song return by now, even in a peripheral way. I am looking forward to her return. *SPOILER>*I have only seen her in clips from the half season finale with the Daleks in NYC. I do hope she makes an appearance before then.

seawolf17 Sep 17 2012 06:28 PM Re: Dr Who

Just got the 2005 series out of the library. Two episodes in.

Vic Sage Sep 18 2012 10:11 AM Re: Dr Who

i'm pretty much on board anytime there's a western town, horses, gunfights, a sheriff, a cyborg and a spaceship.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 18 2012 10:33 AM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage wrote: i'm pretty much on board anytime there's a western town, horses, gunfights, a sheriff, a cyborg and a spaceship. ...and a gorgeous redhead.

Vic Sage Sep 18 2012 11:43 AM Re: Dr Who

well, yeah, that goes without saying. But that's true for all Amy Pond episodes, right?

RealityChuck Sep 19 2012 12:15 PM Re: Dr Who

Good episode, not great. The accents were less jarring than the Black minister. I saw this in Daleks in New York a few years ago. UK writers don't understand how strong racism was in the past. There is no way a group of white settlers would have accepted a Black minister in the time frame shown. My wife pointed out that, in this series, there is an assumption that the Doctor is running around and having adventures off-stage and without Amy and Rory. That's quite different from the past, where the Doctor and his companions were always together (though the Doctor did have adventures that were referred to but never shown, with references to the Terrible Zodin and the origin of the Face of Evil). I also liked the ambiguous villain. Too often, Doctor Who villains are just plain evil for evil's sake. In this case, he was not. That's always more interesting.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 19 2012 12:49 PM Re: Dr Who

RealityChuck wrote: My wife pointed out that, in this series, there is an assumption that the Doctor is running around and having adventures off-stage and without Amy and Rory. That's quite different from the past, where the Doctor and his companions were always together. Yes, I didn't realize it until a couple of days ago but there are months/years between the three adventures we've seen this series and the "real time" for Amy & Rory is around 2020 meaning they are nearly ten years older than depicted in the previous two seasons.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 23 2012 08:22 PM Re: Dr Who

I feel the same way about "The Chicken Dance."

Mets – Willets Point Oct 01 2012 02:24 PM Re: Dr Who

Yowzah!

Vic Sage Oct 01 2012 02:51 PM Re: Dr Who

why was the "season" comprised of 5 episodes? and i found this episode's time travel convolutions such that it wasn't nearly as emotionally impactful as it should otherwise have been. I still liked it; and i was so sorry to see Amy and Rory's fate, but i should have been blubbering (considering how invested i've become in those 2 characters), and i wasn't.

Ceetar Oct 01 2012 03:09 PM Re: Dr Who

RealityChuck wrote: My wife pointed out that, in this series, there is an assumption that the Doctor is running around and having adventures off-stage and without Amy and Rory. That's quite different from the past, where the Doctor and his companions were always together (though the Doctor did have adventures that were referred to but never shown, with references to the Terrible Zodin and the origin of the Face of Evil). There was that episode where Donna goes for a spa and he gets on the tram thingy to the waterfall or whatever and the creature that starts mimicking everything gets in somehow. Vic Sage wrote: why was the "season" comprised of 4 episodes? and i found this episode's time travel convolutions such that it wasn't nearly as emotionally impactful as it should otherwise have been. I still liked it; and i was so sorry to see Amy and Rory's fate, but i should have been blubbering (considering how invested i've become in those 2 characters), and i wasn't. This is my first time watching it 'live' (just watched the last three) but I thought that was generally how they aired them over the pond; small little mini-series? I'm not sure if it's just my state of mind right now, having not watched any television for nearly three weeks before this, or maybe it's because it'd been leaked/hinted that this was their last episode, but I wasn't as upset as I thought I'd be.

Zvon Oct 01 2012 09:32 PM Re: Dr Who

Even though I knew it was coming I was touched by the Williams send off. It was the "how" and I think the performance by Gillan. I thought she was rather good when she came aboard in season 5 but I really do think she has become a very good actress. That look on her face when she quickly turns to say goodbye to the raggedy man and the angel takes her. Perfect. I wasn't sad for the Williams because they did get to live full lives. I felt sad for the Doctor and the fact that they would never see each other again. There were some interesting things in this ep that I found rather silly for a Who. Usually they think these things out. The Statue Of Liberty gone 'Angel', as kool as that was to see, was reaching. Is there ever a time in NYC that someone somewhere isn't viewing the Statue Of Liberty? If it only happened once I would have let it slide. And River can go back and tell Amy to have that book published? Whats to stop the Doctor from using Rivers wrist time vortex thing and going back to visit Amy? I think what they said was the Tardis can't go back. I dunno, I'll have to rewatch this one. Oh, River Songs return. Great. The business with the breaking of the wrist was most interesting. Do they have a love/hate thing goin on? I love that character. Mr. Moffat, more Melody please.

Vic Sage Oct 02 2012 09:52 AM Re: Dr Who

I wasn't sad for the Williams because they did get to live full lives. correct me if i'm wrong, but it seemed to me that they got to live out full lives as prisoners of the "angel hotel", where they saw Rory die. If they were free to roam about Nyc in the 30s, how would that benefit the angels and their "time energy battery"? None of this timey-wimey stuff ever makes sense.

Ceetar Oct 02 2012 09:58 AM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage wrote: I wasn't sad for the Williams because they did get to live full lives. correct me if i'm wrong, but it seemed to me that they got to live out full lives as prisoners of the "angel hotel", where they saw Rory die. If they were free to roam about Nyc in the 30s, how would that benefit the angels and their "time energy battery"? None of this timey-wimey stuff ever makes sense. no, they destroyed the hotel. This was just a random stray angel that somehow beat the paradox or something. Still a little sad. They spent some time showing them getting used to real life, with friends and jobs in England and what not. They're still losing all that, as well as Rory's father. Although I imagine you can live pretty handsomely with knowledge of future events and a well-advanced knowledge of 21st century medicine, even if you have to live through WW2.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 02 2012 11:13 AM Re: Dr Who

I saw this on Tumblr. I'm pretty sure it's fan-made so it's not "canon" but I kind of like it. Huge SPOILERS by the way.

Vic Sage Oct 02 2012 11:33 AM Re: Dr Who

wow, that's beautiful. i wish that had been part of the episode; it would have made me feel so much better.

Zvon Oct 02 2012 01:38 PM Re: Dr Who

wow, that's beautiful. i wish that had been part of the episode; it would have made me feel so much better. It really is. It ties together many behind the scenes things. We know she met Nixon. And she organized the Van Gogh exhibit that she and the Doctor attended? And to see that they were able to raise Melody themselves gave me goosebumps. The good kind :) She wrote the book that River finds in The Pandorica Opens. And the article itself is written by Sara Jane? Excellent! One line I found amusing regarding Amelia exposing of corrupt officers:"Using tactics ranging from blackmail to espionage to just plain yelling at people....". Yep, that's our Amy.

RealityChuck Oct 04 2012 08:14 AM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage wrote: why was the "season" comprised of 5 episodes? To sell more DVDs: two half-season ones, and a full season DVD later (with extras no one ever bothers to watch). It worked for them last season. I'd probably buy and i found this episode's time travel convolutions such that it wasn't nearly as emotionally impactful as it should otherwise have been. I still liked it; and i was so sorry to see Amy and Rory's fate, but i should have been blubbering (considering how invested i've become in those 2 characters), and i wasn't. I thought it was one of the better goodbyes. Rating the best: 1. Donna Noble. The saddest and most tragic of them all; no only does she forget the doctor, but all her emotional growth during her run is lost and she's a far worse person. 2. Peri. Just an utter shock (I ignore the "happy ending" coda, which trashes it all). 3. Adric. Yes, he was an annoying character -- Wesley with a badge for mathematical excellence -- but he went out with a bang. 4. Amy/Rory. 5. Astrid Peth. Sad, yet uplifting. 6. Rose Tyler. A happy ending for once. 7. Ian and Barbara. Not an emotional goodbye, but the final line was fun. 8. Tegan. Both times. The first was a surprise, the second shows someone who was tired of the carnage that surrounded the Doctor. 9. Jo Grant. A typical early companion departure, where they left to marry a bloke they only just met. Stands out for the final shot of the Doctor driving in Bessie, one of the first hints that he was a lonely man. Worst 1. Leela. One of the doctor's best companions, her departure looked like it was scripted five minutes before it was shot. It really consists of this: Doctor: Are you coming with me Leela?" Leela takes the hand of a time lord she only just met. Doctor: Oh. Goodbye everyone. 2. Romana I. Mary Tamm quit the show and Douglas Adams wrote a silly sequence to cover for it; everyone hates it.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 04 2012 08:18 AM Re: Dr Who

What about Susan? It was kind of weird for the Doctor to be abandoning his granddaughter on a post-apocalyptic Earth but it was well-acted.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 12 2012 03:09 PM Re: Dr Who

In case you were wondering what happened to Rory's Dad.

Vic Sage Oct 15 2012 08:17 AM Re: Dr Who

that's great. both that and the article about Amy above make me feel so much better about the ending. too bad the show itself didn't make me feel that. p.s. - went to Comic Con this weekend with little Vic. He got a sonic screwdriver (10th Dr. version) and a weeping angels t-shirt. i got a dalek flashlight which is the Dalek's eye stalk and says "exterminate", and a few other phrases. good times.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 07 2012 10:15 AM Re: Dr Who

Story confirmed for Spring 2013. Bad news is that it features one Doctor Who's lamest recurring villains, the Cybermen. Good news is it is written by Neil Gaiman, who wrote "The Doctor's Wife."

Zvon Nov 07 2012 06:24 PM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: In case you were wondering what happened to Rory's Dad. Funny, I hadn't thought of Rorys dad in light of what happened to them. Awesome and touching.

Vic Sage Nov 08 2012 08:40 AM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Story confirmed for Spring 2013. Bad news is that it features one Doctor Who's lamest recurring villains, the Cybermen. Good news is it is written by Neil Gaiman, who wrote "The Doctor's Wife." Gaiman is probably my favorite writer of anything currently living on this planet. If anyone could make a Cybermen episode work, it will be him.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 19 2012 01:54 PM Re: Dr Who

Christmas Special prequel: [youtube:9htqtfgt]G17_B4uACgg[/youtube:9htqtfgt] Trailer for the Christmas Special: [youtube:9htqtfgt]L3KVpvEUTns[/youtube:9htqtfgt] You know, I will miss Karen Gillan and all but I'm already looking forward to getting to know Jenna Louise Coleman's dimples.

vtmet Dec 03 2012 09:53 PM Re: Dr Who

I'm a big Tom Baker fan, but my favorite these days is David Tennant, and I think Ecclestone did a terrific job at reviving the character. I haven't watched any of the older stuff yet, I'm going to probably start now that I've caught up, but I agree on Tennant. Although Matt Smith is growing on me. I also grew up watching Doctor Who on PBS in the 70's-80's...Out of the original Series, I really liked Tom Baker and Peter Davison (the 4th and 5th Doctors) the best... Peter Davison's daughter also appears in the "new" version of the series as "Jenny" who is the Doctor's daughter in Episode 6 of the 4 season titled "The Doctor's Daughter" with David Tennant... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doctor%27s_Daughter

vtmet Dec 03 2012 10:12 PM Re: Dr Who

Forgive me for bumping this thread up from page 2...I haven't been able to get onto the CPF for awhile because my anti-virus would go nuts whenever I clicked on the forum...this week, it's not giving me virus alerts here...

seawolf17 Dec 04 2012 07:58 AM Re: Dr Who

My wife is really blasting through this on Netflix; she's not even waiting for me. I've seen maybe five or six episodes across what I believe are the 9th and 10th doctors. Totally weirded out the other night as Barty Crouch was the bad guy and Barty Crouch Jr. was the Doctor. (I guess there just aren't that many actors in Britain?)

vtmet Dec 04 2012 10:03 AM Re: Dr Who

seawolf17 wrote: .... Totally weirded out the other night as Barty Crouch was the bad guy and Barty Crouch Jr. was the Doctor. (I guess there just aren't that many actors in Britain?) Later on in the series, the TARDIS sends out 4 envelopes to: River Song, Amy Pond, Rory "Pond" (as the Doctor refers to him, as if he adopted Amy's last name) and an old man named "Canton Everett Delaware the Third" to bear witness a cataclysmic event in modern times...the Doctor's companions (River, Amy, Rory) then time travel back to 1969 and meet a much younger "Canton Everett Delaware the Third" who is an FBI agent assigned to the Oval Office... The younger Canton Delaware is portrayed by Mark Sheppard and the older Canton Delaware is portrayed by Sheppard's father, William Morgan Sheppard...Both Sheppard's are veteran actors in both British and American shows/movies... One of the cool things about William Morgan Sheppard, is that on imdb, he wrote his own bio & he also responds on the imdb Message Boards as wmorgs (until around 2006) and then as wmorgs-1 (since 2007 and as recent as May 2012)...I find it pretty cool that an 80 year old actor takes the time to respond in a message board as himself... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0792003/

Mets – Willets Point Dec 17 2012 03:03 PM Re: Dr Who

[youtube:3hbdp0u7]Rirju6is4Sw[/youtube:3hbdp0u7]

RealityChuck Dec 17 2012 07:36 PM Re: Dr Who

Anyone else sense a spinoff series?

Zvon Dec 17 2012 09:48 PM Re: Dr Who

RealityChuck wrote: Anyone else sense a spinoff series? Lesbian Lizard Lady of London? I'm pumped for the Christmas special. If things go as I hope this will be the first year I see it as it airs. In the past I had to go find it and would watch it sometime after Christmas.

RealityChuck Dec 18 2012 07:25 AM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: RealityChuck wrote: Anyone else sense a spinoff series? Lesbian Lizard Lady of London? Technically, a Silurian. But I certainly could see the possibility of a Sherlock-Holmes-style set of mysteries. The anachronism would be nice to play for laughs.

Mets – Willets Point Dec 21 2012 02:01 PM Re: Dr Who

Sontaran Carols [youtube:a5dwy0sa]NLOXBtEmm-0[/youtube:a5dwy0sa]

Zvon Dec 26 2012 09:06 PM Re: Dr Who

Enjoyed the Christmas special very much. Favorite moment might have been when the Doctor looks in the mirror and sees hes got the bowtie on, and reacts to what he thinks is Clara saying "its cooler" (she was just commenting on the temperature). Smith is particularly good at sulking. Cool to see him get his mojo back. He really hams it up while reciting the lines pertaining to the coolness of bowties. He seems to be mimicking the museum curator from the Van Gogh exhibition, who also wore one and learned from the Doctor that bowties really ARE kool. There were a number of great moments and lines and scenes in this one. The way Amys last name is tied in to what was going on currently, during the one word test the lizard lady gives Clara, was a nice touch. Pond meant one thing to her, and another thing to the Doctor. And it got his attention. I guess if you're gonna do the "Doctor?...Doctor Who?" thing, you may as well SUPER over-do it, cause I did get a laugh every time. How many times did they do it in this one episode? I'll have to re-watch. So, lesson: If you're gonna do something that might get on my nerves, really over do it and I'll find it funny. And don't think for a minute that this is just simple comic relief. They are leading up to something with all that, as we have touched on before. Clara was a nice surprise all around. From her secret dual life to her tragic death (again), which I must say I found VERY surprising. It looks like her character might have elements of Rory (the dying) and River (the mystery). I hope its a nice ride to the point where they meet again. The story itself was excellent with some nice twists. The tale as well as the effects to bring it alive were suited for adults and kids alike. I like how they walk that line. It is a rare breed these days. Family entertainment for the very young as well as the very old, and all in between. Oh, and the new Tardis. Didn't see that coming. It was a pleasant surprise. Clara saying "it's smaller on the outside" was a funny spin on the 'ol cliche "it's bigger on the inside". I suspect that the "GI", or Great Intelligence, will be an under-running theme in the up coming season(s). I wasn't aware of it but read today in a review that the Doctor has dealt with this foe before, and this episode could well be the Great Intelligence's origin story. From the review I just read earlier tonight in Radio Times: Most viewers won’t grasp the significance of the Great Intelligence. Even for the Doctor the name only “rings a bell” as, perhaps oddly, he fails to recall his second incarnation’s encounters with it. But Moffat has not forgotten. Now that he’s brought the Intelligence back – surely for a greater purpose – who knows where it might lead [url]http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-12-25/doctor-who--the-snowmen-review All in all a very entertaining holiday episode, a nice bridge between the shows last and upcoming season.

Ceetar Dec 26 2012 09:14 PM Re: Dr Who

I enjoyed this one. I also got a snicker at the "Winter is coming!" lines. I knew all about Souflee girl, but I kind of expected the Doctor to be insisting she was going to live because he remembered how she dies. But I guess this isn't quite the "we know how it ends" bit. Perhaps it's a dual thing. two lives, two deaths 2. I want to go back and watch the first episode with her again. I saw a blurb about the new intro and song, so the new Tardis inside didn't surprise me.

seawolf17 Dec 28 2012 08:50 PM Re: Dr Who

Just watched the "John Smith" episodes, which were like WHOA. Up next is "Blink", but we're saving that for tomorrow night.

Ceetar Dec 29 2012 09:53 AM Re: Dr Who

seawolf17 wrote: Just watched the "John Smith" episodes, which were like WHOA. Up next is "Blink", but we're saving that for tomorrow night. The woah moments only seem to increase going forward.

RealityChuck Dec 29 2012 10:51 AM Re: Dr Who

seawolf17 wrote: Just watched the "John Smith" episodes, which were like WHOA. Up next is "Blink", but we're saving that for tomorrow night. "Blink" is at least a triple WHOA on that scale. I actually had a copy of the original script. I wish they had kept Sally Sparrow's ringtone -- it was one of those dramatic "Dom Dom Daaaah" chords; I'd love to find it for my phone. The Christmas special was more interesting for the characters and peripherals than the plot. But Vastra and her crew were terrific and the end really threw me: knowing that Clara was going to be the companion, I never expected them to kill her. One inconsistency: the doctor said he didn't realize that Clara was Oswin until he saw the tombstone. But he also said he knew her voice, and clearly noted the connection when she mentioned she liked to make souffles. It doesn't add up -- the souffles and the voice would have pointed to the connection.

Ceetar Dec 29 2012 11:27 AM Re: Dr Who

RealityChuck wrote: One inconsistency: the doctor said he didn't realize that Clara was Oswin until he saw the tombstone. But he also said he knew her voice, and clearly noted the connection when she mentioned she liked to make souffles. It doesn't add up -- the souffles and the voice would have pointed to the connection. It seemed like it triggered something in him but he didn't actually make the connection. Perhaps it was part of his 'journey back' to saving the world.

seawolf17 Dec 29 2012 07:51 PM Re: Dr Who

Just watched "Blink" and I will NEVER SLEEP AGAIN

Ceetar Dec 29 2012 08:23 PM Re: Dr Who

seawolf17 wrote: Just watched "Blink" and I will NEVER SLEEP AGAIN quick question, what do you have on top of your christmas tree?

seawolf17 Dec 29 2012 09:53 PM Re: Dr Who

Ceetar wrote: seawolf17 wrote: Just watched "Blink" and I will NEVER SLEEP AGAIN quick question, what do you have on top of your christmas tree? A bow. (Thankfully.)

RealityChuck Dec 30 2012 01:26 PM Re: Dr Who

Here's something truly frightening: [youtube:gj5r2bfw]JJT39M8Y2F8[/youtube:gj5r2bfw]

seawolf17 Dec 31 2012 08:06 AM Re: Dr Who

I love that original video, and that's a fantastic mashup.

Zvon Mar 04 2013 08:01 PM Re: Dr Who

Has anyone been watching these old doctor tribute specials on BBC-AMER? They're gonna do one for each doctor. I've seen the first two. After seeing the one regarding the first doctor I have to say it is incredible that the show became what it is. I know there must have been better episodes & scripts (I understand many episodes were lost because the BBC recorded over the tapes) during his run. This one about the Aztecs was okay. Kinda boring yet interesting. It really looked like a recorded stage play, which I suppose it actually was in a way. The guy playing the evil priest of sacrifice was so cliche in his looks/performance he was kinda funny. I respect the first doctor cause he was the first doctor. But William Hartnell might be my least favorite doctor and again, I'm amazed that the show survived his portrayal. He was a stodgy old man whose catchphrase (if they had done that then) would have been "hmmmmm?...hmmmmmm?". The second doctor (Patrick Troughton) was more like what I expect a doctor to be. Kinda vaudvillian, his translation of the doctor was more entertaining. He made me laugh at times (Did Hartnell ever make anyone laugh?). He was a character who had a spark. I liked this doctor. Not sure where I'd place him on a list of doctors from best to worst, but I know he'd be above some I am familiar with. The episode they aired for him was a more interesting one from a whostorical standpoint because it featured the Cybermen. This one didn't have the look of a stage play like the Harnell one. The look/quality/effects were a cut below a 60's Star Trek episode, although this 4 episode set was first broadcast in 1967, when Start Trek was in full bloom. It being in B&W may have added to that impression. What I take away from vewing these 2 old eps is that the BBC was very cheap in its early days and in spite of that Doctor Who survived. Or maybe because of that. Looking foward to the Pertwee (Doc#3) special, and the return of the series next month.

vtmet Mar 04 2013 08:55 PM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: Has anyone been watching these old doctor tribute specials on BBC-AMER? They're gonna do one for each doctor. I've seen the first two. After seeing the one regarding the first doctor I have to say it is incredible that the show became what it is. I respect the first doctor cause he was the first doctor. But William Hartnell might be my least favorite doctor and again, I'm amazed that the show survived his portrayal. He was a stodgy old man whose catchphrase (if they had done that then) would have been "hmmmmm?...hmmmmmm?". The second doctor (Patrick Troughton) was more like what I expect a doctor to be. Kinda vaudvillian, his translation of the doctor was more entertaining. He made me laugh at times (Did Hartnell ever make anyone laugh?). He was a character who had a spark. I liked this doctor. Not sure where I'd place him on a list of doctors from best to worst, but I know he'd be above some I am familiar with. The episode they aired for him was a more interesting one from a whostorical standpoint because it featured the Cybermen. This one didn't have the look of a stage play like the Harnell one. The look/quality/effects were a cut below a 60's Star Trek episode, although this 4 episode set was first broadcast in 1967, when Start Trek was in full bloom. It being in B&W may have added to that impression. What I take away from vewing these 2 old eps is that the BBC was very cheap in its early days and in spite of that Doctor Who survived. Or maybe because of that. Looking foward to the Pertwee (Doc#3) special, and the return of the series next month. I've got the 2nd Doctor's one DVR'd but haven't had the time to watch it yet... I did see the 3 minute clip that doctorwho.tv has out right now, where the 2nd Doctor is sentenced to be exiled on Earth and he is forced to regenerate into the 3rd Doctor (they don't actually show the 3rd Doctor in it though)...It was extremely cheesy... I did "watch" the 1st Doctor one, at least with my eyes closed after about 10 minutes...it made for a good nap, but that Doctor seemed more like Ebenizer Scrooge than Doctor Who to me... Out of the original version of Doctor Who, I'm looking forward to the 3rd, 4th and 5th Doctors (IMO, the 6th and 7th Doctors seemed pretty bad choices...but now that I'm older, they might change my view a little bit)...

Vic Sage Mar 04 2013 09:23 PM Re: Dr Who

every time i see one of the early episodes, i use one of those MiB memory wipes and then i don't have to remember any doctors before Christopher Eccleston. As far as i'm concerned, it's a series that began in 2005.

Mets – Willets Point Mar 04 2013 11:35 PM Re: Dr Who

Vic, I would've figured you as someone watching Doctor Who on PBS back in the 1980s. I watched a fair sampling of each of the Doctors and they all had something to offer. They all had some stinkers too. I liked Patrick Troughton a lot and its a shame that most of his episodes are missing, and that the writing wasn't very strong at that time. Tom Baker is the classic Doctor, of course, and features in the longest run of consistently good stories. Peter Davison was a good actor paired with bad scripts/production choices but his best stories really stand out. The last two series with Sylvester McCoy saw the show starting to take an approach more similar to the revived series, but was too late to save it from cancellation.

RealityChuck Mar 05 2013 06:05 AM Re: Dr Who

The cheap effects of early Doctor Who were a part of its charm. "The Aztecs" is hardly the best Hartnell episode, and few of the purely historical episodes are worth watching (which is why they dropped them). It may have been chosen because it was four episodes instead of six or more. Without time constraints, I'd go with "The Daleks" or "The Chase." For four episodes, there's "The Time Meddler." Hartnell played the Doctor straight, and often would disappear for long stretches as Ian and Barabara took center stage (partly due to Hartnell's health issues). I'm assuming the Troughton episode was "Tomb of the Cybermen." That was a big deal, since it was only recently that all four episodes were found. It's highly regarded; I've seen some critics call it the best of all the original series. I think that's overrating it, but it's a solid show. The best Troughton are "The War Games" (too long) and "The Mind Robber" (too close to fantasy). The first two doctors were not the best, though part of that is the change in how we look at them. But Hartnell isn't the worst doctor -- that's Colin Baker.

Mets – Willets Point Mar 05 2013 09:16 AM Re: Dr Who

Bad writing and production decisions that plagued Davison's years came to a head when Colin Baker took over. That paired with the BBC management actively hating the show and wanting to get rid of it made the Colin Baker years some of the worst in this history of the show. I wouldn't blame the actor though as he did his best under the circumstances and it's more a sad, lost opportunity.

Vic Sage Mar 05 2013 10:04 AM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Vic, I would've figured you as someone watching Doctor Who on PBS back in the 1980s. i did, once in a while, but i thought it was crap. And every time i see one now, I am more staunch in my original assessment. Of course there is stuff i love from that era that many would view as crap now (some would even include ST:TOS in that description), so i am not judging.

RealityChuck Mar 05 2013 10:57 AM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Bad writing and production decisions that plagued Davison's years came to a head when Colin Baker took over. That paired with the BBC management actively hating the show and wanting to get rid of it made the Colin Baker years some of the worst in this history of the show. I wouldn't blame the actor though as he did his best under the circumstances and it's more a sad, lost opportunity. There were some excellent Davison episodes -- "Arc of Infinity," "Mawdryn Undead," "Earthshock," and "The Five Doctors," ("The Caves of Androzani" was named a few years ago as the best Doctor Who episode of all time, though I disagree with that) -- as well as some awful ones ("Kinda" may be the show's very worst). The final season was undistingushed, though. But it's not the stories that hurt Baker. He had a few good ones -- "Trial of a Time Lord" was excellent except for the final part -- but the problem was more his characterization. They tried to make him an egotistical jerk, sort of like the prickly First Doctor, but it never worked. It never really felt like a characterization, but rather a gimmick. This said, I didn't think he was terrible in the role, but just not as good as anyone else.

Zvon Mar 05 2013 03:50 PM Re: Dr Who

The cheap effects of early Doctor Who were a part of its charm. "The Aztecs" is hardly the best Hartnell episode, and few of the purely historical episodes are worth watching (which is why they dropped them). It may have been chosen because it was four episodes instead of six or more. Without time constraints, I'd go with "The Daleks" or "The Chase." For four episodes, there's "The Time Meddler." Hartnell played the Doctor straight, and often would disappear for long stretches as Ian and Barabara took center stage (partly due to Hartnell's health issues). I'm assuming the Troughton episode was "Tomb of the Cybermen." That was a big deal, since it was only recently that all four episodes were found. It's highly regarded; I've seen some critics call it the best of all the original series. I think that's overrating it, but it's a solid show. The best Troughton are "The War Games" (too long) and "The Mind Robber" (too close to fantasy). The first two doctors were not the best, though part of that is the change in how we look at them. But Hartnell isn't the worst doctor -- that's Colin Baker. I suppose you are right about the effects/charm. That's the way I look at ST:TOS. I expected it to be closer on a par with that, and I think if it was in color, or colour, it would have been. The scenes showing the cybermen hive was very impressive. They used the same footage a few times, playing it backwards to re-freeze them and re-using the footage to unfreeze them again. So they got their $'s worth out of that. I won't say that Hartnell was the worst doctor. My initial feelings from viewing "The Aztecs" aside, I'd have to see a few more episodes with him as the doctor to make that call. He gets major points just for being the first. And I will say, after the Tom Baker years I did view a few Davidson episodes and they weren't bad. Just thought he was a tad bland for my liking. When I saw Colin Baker as the doctor they lost me totally, and you may be correct about him being the very worst. vtmet wrote: I did "watch" the 1st Doctor one, at least with my eyes closed after about 10 minutes...it made for a good nap, but that Doctor seemed more like Ebenizer Scrooge than Doctor Who to me... Out of the original version of Doctor Who, I'm looking forward to the 3rd, 4th and 5th Doctors (IMO, the 6th and 7th Doctors seemed pretty bad choices...but now that I'm older, they might change my view a little bit)... I also fell asleep watching the Aztec one. I didn't expect the gab fest that opens each special. They yak for half the show! Might have been an hour in the first one. So I had to re-watch the middle of that actual episode. I found out I didn't miss much as I fought to stay awake during the second viewing.

Vic Sage Mar 06 2013 01:45 PM Re: Dr Who

I didn't expect the gab fest that opens each special. They yak for half the show! actually, that's the only reason i watched. i didn't get very far into the actual episode.

vtmet Mar 11 2013 07:05 PM Re: Dr Who

didn't realize that the Cybermen dated back to the 1st and 2nd Doctor...and that the term "cyber" was used 20+ years before that...

Zvon Mar 11 2013 07:40 PM Re: Dr Who

I wonder how many Walking Dead fans know that "The Governor" once played "The Doctor". In the 2008 X-mas special "The Next Doctor" David Morrissey played a man who, through some unfortunate circumstances, believed he was the Time Lord/Doctor. David Tennant, at that time the official doctor, even considered the possibility that this was one of his future incarnations. Good episode.

Ceetar Mar 11 2013 07:50 PM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: I wonder how many Walking Dead fans know that "The Governor" once played "The Doctor". In the 2008 X-mas special "The Next Doctor" David Morrissey played a man who, through some unfortunate circumstances, believed he was the Time Lord/Doctor. David Tennant, at that time the official doctor, even considered the possibility that this was one of his future incarnations. Good episode. oh, didn't even recognize him. nice. Freema Agyeman, Martha Jones, is Carrie Bradshaw's boss/crazy friend on The Carrie diaries.

Mets – Willets Point Mar 12 2013 08:00 AM Re: Dr Who

"The Next Doctor" was a really bad episode. Most Cybermen stories are pretty bad, but that one took the cake. The Cybermen first appeared in the 1966 story "The Tenth Planet" which is also when the First Doctor regenerated into the Second Doctor.

seawolf17 Mar 12 2013 08:37 AM Re: Dr Who

We hadn't watched for a while and finally picked back up the last Tennant season the other night. Trying to steamroll through them, but I'm kind of upset that Tennant doesn't stick around, because he's awesome.

Mets – Willets Point Mar 12 2013 02:36 PM Re: Dr Who

Speaking of "The Tenth Planet," it is among the episodes "lost" by the BBC so there is an effort underway to make an animated version to go along with the surviving audio track.

Zvon Mar 12 2013 07:01 PM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: "The Next Doctor" was a really bad episode. Most Cybermen stories are pretty bad, but that one took the cake. The Cybermen first appeared in the 1966 story "The Tenth Planet" which is also when the First Doctor regenerated into the Second Doctor. Really? I thought it was pretty good. I liked the funny stuff when the doctors first got together and the deliciously evil bad lady. I also liked the "Tardis" that turned out to be a hot air balloon that did play a big part in the climax. The effects were kool. The thing about the cybermen is they still look like robots from a 1950s movie. But at the same time, like with the Daleks, I respect the fact that they honor the original "look". Mets – Willets Point wrote: Speaking of "The Tenth Planet," it is among the episodes "lost" by the BBC so there is an effort underway to make an animated version to go along with the surviving audio track. That sounds (and looks) very kool!

Mets – Willets Point Apr 01 2013 07:29 AM Re: Dr Who

Series 7 of Doctor Who resumes. I continue to be impressed how the show under Moffat keeps pushing the boundaries what Doctor Who can be about with creative ideas and clever scripts. And I say this even though much of the plot is an (improved) remake of the David Tennant story "The Idiot Box." Some other thoughts *SPOILERS*: * I suppose the rest of the season will be about discovering the mystery of Clara. * I also suppose The Great Intelligence will be a recurring villain for this series' story arc. * Clara does a good job of not spilling a single drop of tea as she spins around on the TARDIS and the airplane. * The children's book is written by Amy. * Favorite line: "I invented the quadrycycle."

Vic Sage Apr 01 2013 08:16 AM Re: Dr Who

THE DOCTOR'S IN THE HOUSE, YO! i mean i'm very happy to see that the Dr. Who tv series is now back with new episodes

Zvon Apr 01 2013 02:48 PM Re: Dr Who

Very enjoyable episode to start the new mini season. Some aspects were surprising for a Who. I don't say that in a bad way. Moffat wants to the show to appeal to all and he's doing a good job of that. Quite a few laughs in this one. I loved the special bow tie box, quadricycle quote, anti-grav moterbike, and the Docs new duds. Didn't notice that the book was written by Amy. Good catch Willets.

Vic Sage Apr 02 2013 09:15 AM Re: Dr Who

my 12 year old pointed the book out to me. i was so proud.

Zvon Apr 06 2013 05:46 PM Re: Dr Who

Watching last weeks again and a few thoughts. 1) Who was the lady who gave Clara the info phone #? River? Its never who I guess so who? 2) Loved the way Smith delivered the line "Its a time machine. Ya [u:25dh6dv1]never[/u:25dh6dv1] have to wait for breakfast." It was like he was an old comic. 3) Right after that (before he gets the anti-grav cycle) he lands the Tardis in the city and pops out, taking donations for breakfast. Is the Doctor that common place in England these days (in the shows universe)? Is he not concerned about people seeing the Tardis coming and going?

Zvon Apr 06 2013 10:00 PM Re: Dr Who

Kool comic book like ep. A bit of Clara back story, nice stuff. Did everything the doctor mentioned/yelled while giving up his memories happen yet? Some I am aware of. The Doctor mentioned his grand daughter.

Mets – Willets Point Apr 06 2013 10:36 PM Re: Dr Who

Karen who? I'm aligning myself with Team Jenna-Louise. Lovely visuals for Akhaten, although I wonder how there is any atmosphere around a bunch of asteroids or where there source of light and heat will be in the future. I think this is the 1-zillionth time in the Moffat era that a problem was solved by someone merely thinking, feeling, or remembering something. It was a fun episode though.

Vic Sage Apr 09 2013 12:48 PM Re: Dr Who

i found the plotting convoluted. And the doctor's whole "take my memories" sacrifice at the end... why didn't it work? Was the monster unable to? Why? But i loved the bit with Clara and the leaf at the end... about how infinitely powerful is a memory of things that never were and could have been... "could have been"s are infinite, you see. That was totally beautiful and a pure Dr. Who moment. And "Karen who", you say? YOU KNOW PERFECTLY WELL KAREN WHO! Jenna-Louise has got a long way to go to beat out the hottest redhead in time and space since Rita Hayworth. I like her, but lets not get ahead of ourselves, hm?

Ceetar Apr 09 2013 01:24 PM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage wrote: But i loved the bit with Clara and the leaf at the end... about how infinitely powerful is a memory of things that never were and could have been... "could have been"s are infinite, you see. That was totally beautiful and a pure Dr. Who moment. Wondering if that might sum up Clara's companionship in a nutshell, although hoping not.

Mets – Willets Point Apr 09 2013 01:28 PM Re: Dr Who

Sorry, I've just been distracted by the dimples. In preparation for "Cold War" and the return of the Ice Warriors, I watched the original Patrick Troughton serial "The Ice Warriors" from the 1960s. Troughton and the guest actors did a great job and the story had some interesting twists but OMG the Ice Warriors are the cheesiest, crappiest, stupid sounding Classic Who villains I've ever seen (and that's saying a lot).

Zvon Apr 09 2013 09:31 PM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage wrote: i found the plotting convoluted. And the doctor's whole "take my memories" sacrifice at the end... why didn't it work? Was the monster unable to? Why? My take on that is that the Doctor gave the thing all he had and it wasn't enough. At first it looked like he was gonna beat it and it was getting small, or suckin in or whatever was goin on there. But then it regained strength and started to go back to normal. Clara had to tip the scales. The whole "doctors memories bit" was filler I guess, but he did name names. It was interesting. I'm still going to look into if all those things he mentioned were from past eps.

Zvon Apr 09 2013 09:33 PM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Sorry, I've just been distracted by the dimples. In preparation for "Cold War" and the return of the Ice Warriors, I watched the original Patrick Troughton serial "The Ice Warriors" from the 1960s. Troughton and the guest actors did a great job and the story had some interesting twists but OMG the Ice Warriors are the cheesiest, crappiest, stupid sounding Classic Who villains I've ever seen (and that's saying a lot). I saw some of the tribute special with his doctor. I really wanted to see the whole thing. I figured that it would be on again but it hasn't. I liked him.

Vic Sage Apr 10 2013 07:45 AM Re: Dr Who

did anybody catch that recent Dr. Who special on the doctor's companions? It was fine, as these things go, but for some reason they completely omitted any mention of Donna (though there was a brief group shot that included Doctor/Donna). Now, I'm not a big Donna fan (i prefer my companions hot and funny rather than just funny), but it still seemed like a gross oversight. And they never mention any of the original companions on these type of shows, except for Sarah Jane, but only because she crossed over to the reboot series.

Ceetar Apr 10 2013 09:14 AM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage wrote: did anybody catch that recent Dr. Who special on the doctor's companions? It was fine, as these things go, but for some reason they completely omitted any mention of Donna (though there was a brief group shot that included Doctor/Donna). Now, I'm not a big Donna fan (i prefer my companions hot and funny rather than just funny), but it still seemed like a gross oversight. And they never mention any of the original companions on these type of shows, except for Sarah Jane, but only because she crossed over to the reboot series. DVR caught it, but I tend to shy away from these recap/special type shows. It does seem weird that they're all excited about 'longest running show' 50 years! and all that, but so reluctantly notice the old stuff.

Zvon Apr 10 2013 01:25 PM Re: Dr Who

Ceetar wrote: Vic Sage wrote: did anybody catch that recent Dr. Who special on the doctor's companions? It was fine, as these things go, but for some reason they completely omitted any mention of Donna (though there was a brief group shot that included Doctor/Donna). Now, I'm not a big Donna fan (i prefer my companions hot and funny rather than just funny), but it still seemed like a gross oversight. And they never mention any of the original companions on these type of shows, except for Sarah Jane, but only because she crossed over to the reboot series. DVR caught it, but I tend to shy away from these recap/special type shows. It does seem weird that they're all excited about 'longest running show' 50 years! and all that, but so reluctantly notice the old stuff. They also geared up for River and then glossed right over her. She has not been a standard companion though. Donna started out very unpopular and eventually became one of the most popular companions of the reboot, through sheer force of her performances. She was a pisser. She should have been given more time in a special about companions.

Zvon Apr 13 2013 05:41 PM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: Vic Sage wrote: i found the plotting convoluted. And the doctor's whole "take my memories" sacrifice at the end... why didn't it work? Was the monster unable to? Why? My take on that is that the Doctor gave the thing all he had and it wasn't enough. At first it looked like he was gonna beat it and it was getting small, or suckin in or whatever was goin on there. But then it regained strength and started to go back to normal. Clara had to tip the scales. The whole "doctors memories bit" was filler I guess, but he did name names. It was interesting. I'm still going to look into if all those things he mentioned were from past eps. I don't know what I was thinking. He didn't "name names". Just mentioned destroying the Time Lords and being around for the beginning and ending of time. Ending of time might be a future thing or the 10th Doctors finale ep called The End Of Time.

Zvon Apr 13 2013 07:45 PM Re: Dr Who

This weeks episode: COLD WAR I had this loud and was listening really hard and I have no idea what was said for the first 5 minutes. Maybe I had it too loud cause everyone was yelling. I didn't even see how the Tardis got on the sub cause I blinked (actually my phone rang-I was distracted for like 4 seconds). Wasn't thrilled w/this ep. Bad, silly writing. The Russian commander feels he has the authoritah to stop the Doctor from questioning the Ice Dude. But he doesn't take charge and have one of his men or the Professor Dude go in there, he lets Clara do it. Come on. It did get a lil scary at times, creepy. I thought using the alien cheaapo effect hands and having the alien pick em off ala "Alien" was a cop out, but seeing the creature at the end might have been more visually effective as well as cost effective and that was a kool Ice Warrior ship that picked up Skaldak. Great seeing David Warner working his art. Maybe I'll appreciate this more after a second viewing but I considered this a throwaway episode. Weak.

Mets – Willets Point Apr 14 2013 07:13 AM Re: Dr Who

I'm going to take a contrary view - I found it really tense, with some good comic bits. Professor Grisenko was a hoot. And I think it's great that the Doctor & Clara kept trying to negotiate a peaceful solution no matter how bad it got. You are right that the Soviets were a little too accepting too quickly, but on the other hand 30 minutes of "Why should I trust you? Lock them up!" gets pretty old too.

Zvon Apr 14 2013 03:22 PM Re: Dr Who

I watched it again. It still seemed weak to me. Sure, don't spend time on them swallowing the Doctors whole bit, but spend like 5 minutes on how they are speaking and understanding Russian. And if the Tardis was wisked off to the South Pole does its translation matrix cover the entire globe. Meh, silly question for a silly script. Just the fact that the creature had his finger on the button multiple times and did not push it under threat from the Doctor was silly. Now I do view Who like a comic book series so I don't expect it to be totally realistic in its scenes and explanations, but come on...you have to be able to buy it. If the doctors threat was serious once the Ice Warrior turned back and put his finger right on the button he could not take the chance that the thing would turn around and chat again. I would have blown the whole sub to kingdom come as soon as it turned to the button again. Shirley would have by the third time. Course, I would have ended Smiths run and lost Clara right there, and that's why I'm not a writer ;). There were genuine feelings of tenseness/scariness within the shoddy script. And Professor Grisenko was a hoot. On second viewing I think there's more to him than just this episode. Maybe I'm over thinking but I thought his scenes were strange (the music shirley got strange) in that he seemed to have an immediate intimacy with Clara. The business with the Duran Duran- Hungry Like The Wolf (the Ultravox stuff was great) song didn't fit in with anything. And at the very end, waiting for Skaldek to choose mercy, she sings a line from Hungry Like A Wolf just before the creature makes its choice.What was that all about? I have no idea how or what, but I would not be surprised if this was a set up for adding more depth to Claras backstory. I kinda hope so. Would like to see more of Warner as the professor.

Ceetar Apr 15 2013 06:37 AM Re: Dr Who

Zvon Apr 21 2013 02:51 PM Re: Dr Who

This weeks episode: HIDE. I thought this episode was excellent. Good writing, very good acting, solid effects. Good teasers as to whatever is going on with Clara. Scarey with a twist of time. A few laughs and a number of happy endings. Loved the Romeo bit to close (and like how they just ended it there), as well as seeing the Tardis get involved in the action.

Ceetar Apr 21 2013 08:11 PM Re: Dr Who

took me a minute to figure out the romeo bit at the end. I wasn't really thinking about a monster in both places and I was trying to puzzle out the "I'm not happy" by Clara. Enjoyed the Tardis vs Clara stuff, although it did feel a little out of the blue. Or perhaps there were other hints in other episodes that we weren't thinking of? i do seem to remember her having an issue with the door once before.

Mets – Willets Point Apr 23 2013 04:34 AM Re: Dr Who

It's not a ghost story, it's a love story.

Zvon Apr 28 2013 01:40 PM Re: Dr Who

This weeks episode:Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS Freakin awesome ep with a treasure trove of tid bits about the TARDIS. Won't say anymore for now.

vtmet Apr 28 2013 05:31 PM Re: Dr Who

Last night's episode was pretty good...and I'm really starting to get sucked into "Orphan Black" which immediately follows Dr Who...

Zvon Apr 28 2013 09:21 PM Re: Dr Who

vtmet wrote: Last night's episode was pretty good...and I'm really starting to get sucked into "Orphan Black" which immediately follows Dr Who... I've been watching that too and I just had it on, ya know-after Who, but I am getting into it. The girl in the lead role is very good. And its different.

Ceetar Apr 29 2013 07:20 AM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: vtmet wrote: Last night's episode was pretty good...and I'm really starting to get sucked into "Orphan Black" which immediately follows Dr Who... I've been watching that too and I just had it on, ya know-after Who, but I am getting into it. The girl in the lead role is very good. And its different. I thought it looked interesting and DVR'd the premier, didn't watch it before the next episode so now am back on the fence about adding yet another show. But you're both saying it's good? Crap. I enjoyed all the crazy stuff inside the TARDIS. I miss those endlessly time-looping hallways. My pet-theory on Clara is all about duality, and there's plenty of that here. Plenty insinuating the Great Intelligence as well.

vtmet Apr 29 2013 02:01 PM Re: Dr Who

Last night's episode was pretty good...and I'm really starting to get sucked into "Orphan Black" which immediately follows Dr Who... I've been watching that too and I just had it on, ya know-after Who, but I am getting into it. The girl in the lead role is very good. And its different. That actress has so far portrayed 6 different "clone" characters on the show...might even be more by the time that it's all said and done... Astounding ‘Orphan Black’ star plays 6 people at once By LINDA STASI Last Updated: 12:22 AM, April 24, 2013 Maybe we should start calling her “Orphan Multicolor.” I’m talking about Tatiana Maslany, the break-out star of BBC America’s break-out series, “Orphan Black.” Who? Tatiana Maslany, that’s who — and she might be the best actress you never heard of, but the one who is burning up TV by playing (so far) six different characters who don’t sound alike or dress alike. They also do not share the same hairstyles, lifestyles, personalities or foreign accents. The women inside Maslany, in fact, have nothing in common — except identical DNA. No — we’re not talking Sybil, we’re talking clones. UN-SYBIL: Tatiana Maslany is all these characters — each with a different accent. And even though there are six different characters, Maslany has hinted she might be playing up to 10 altogether — this season alone. Sure we’ve seen this multiple character bit a bazillion times on TV, probably starting with the original “Superman” series. (And strangely enough, Clark Kent has been mostly getting away with the glasses trick for 900 years.) In more modern times, the one actor/multiple character roles usually involve the cheesy identical twins thing, or making them into completely different characters with the use of gigantic prosthetics. Here, though, Maslany does it all with great acting and a few wigs. The faces and bodies of all the characters are the same, but the four different accents (so far) — as well as the ways in which each comports herself, emotes and lives life — makes all the prosthetics unnecessary. Maslany’s acting is better than any fake nose and fat suit. First off, there’s Brit punk rock mess Sarah, who was orphaned as a baby and is now a single mother who lost custody of her own child before assuming the identity of: Beth, a damaged American cop who threw herself in front of an oncoming train in episode one. Troubled Beth had nothing in common with the identical: Alison, a conservative, uptight control freak, suburban soccer mom with two adopted kids, a reliance on prescription drugs and a boring husband, who is totally the opposite of identical: Dred-headed Cosima, a PhD student who happens to be studying experimental evolutionary biology (could come in very handy considering). If Cosima weren’t a clone, chances are incredibly good that she would never have run into identical: Russian assassin/fundamentalist Helena, of the crazy blond curly mane, who thinks she’s the real deal and everyone else is a clone. Therefore, it’s up to her to kill off the rest, which is how she came to murder: Poor Katja, the sickly German who was a nervous wreck before running into the freight train that is Helena. What’s the real difference between them all? So far, only Sarah can procreate. Therefore, I’m betting Sarah’s the real deal. Thing is when Maslany inhabits these women, they all seem so different you might just think they are wearing fake noses. If God and the Emmys are fair, at least six Maslanys will be picking up statuettes this September.

Zvon Apr 29 2013 04:18 PM Re: Dr Who

Last night's episode was pretty good...and I'm really starting to get sucked into "Orphan Black" which immediately follows Dr Who... I've been watching that too and I just had it on, ya know-after Who, but I am getting into it. The girl in the lead role is very good. And its different. I thought it looked interesting and DVR'd the premier, didn't watch it before the next episode so now am back on the fence about adding yet another show. But you're both saying it's good? Crap. I enjoyed all the crazy stuff inside the TARDIS. I miss those endlessly time-looping hallways. My pet-theory on Clara is all about duality, and there's plenty of that here. Plenty insinuating the Great Intelligence as well. Its worth checking out. Ive seen all the eps tho didn't pay close attention at first. Did seeing replays during the week. Very interesting storyline that starts a bit complicated and has become even more so. Not hard to follow tho. And that girl is holding that show together. At first you know all these girls are the same actress but it does not take long to feel that these are all very different people. You get more into the individual characters and they become separate entities. You no longer think of them as the same actress. To do that from the start and keep that up is an indication how good her performances have been. The story's far out, but not that far. The most recent developments (I wanna mention what- but I won't) are surprising and usually the type of thing a show would save for a season finale, but they throw it out there already. Makes me wonder what they are saving for the break. Back to Who. I know we got well into the TARDIS before (I'm thinking Amy and Rory in The Doctors Wife) but I have not seen every episode (esp b4 the reboot). Have we ever been given a deeper view than this one? I'm gonna rewatch before I comment more but one thing I did notice: The key on the TARDIS control board the the Doctor used to put it in "easy mode" said "SMITHS". Does this mean anything to anyone(a real key co.? the Doc uses the name Smith quite a bit- a red herring on the name business?)? As far as Clara goes I'm trying to keep an open slate and let them fill it in, but the mind does wonder and I do have some thoughts. Too far out to post tho. Who Too: Saw the Tom Baker-Doctor special and totally enjoyed it. Very 70's. The lack of action compared to todays fare is to be noted (I didnt mind) and at three hours long beware of boredom at times. Still, for its place in Whostory, a very enjoyable experience. Baker was great.

vtmet Apr 29 2013 06:42 PM Re: Dr Who

Back to Who. I know we got well into the TARDIS before (I'm thinking Amy and Rory in The Doctors Wife) but I have not seen every episode (esp b4 the reboot). Have we ever been given a deeper view than this one? I'm gonna rewatch before I comment more but one thing I did notice: The key on the TARDIS control board the the Doctor used to put it in "easy mode" said "SMITHS". Does this mean anything to anyone(a real key co.? the Doc uses the name Smith quite a bit- a red herring on the name business?)? Dr Who has done that before with the term "Bad Wolf"... The term "Bad Wolf" appears in every episode of the first series except for "Rose" and the two-part stories which only have one explicit reference between the two episodes.[10] It is also seen in further series of Doctor Who and in the Torchwood episode "Captain Jack Harkness" as graffiti inside the dance hall. In one of "The Weakest Link" sequences, one of the correct answers is revealed to be Torchwood, the first appearance of the name in Doctor Who;[1] it would become the story arc for the second series. The Doctor, Jack, and Lynda search for Rose. They find her as she loses in the final round of The Weakest Link, and is promptly disintegrated. "Bad Wolf" is the twelfth episode of the first series of the British science fiction television series Doctor Who, which was first broadcast on June 11, 2005. The TARDIS crew find themselves trapped in the Gamestation, also known as Satellite 5, where they must battle to survive the cruel games. However, when Rose is taken away, the Doctor realizes his deadliest enemies have returned en masse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Wolf As far as Clara goes I'm trying to keep an open slate and let them fill it in, but the mind does wonder and I do have some thoughts. Too far out to post tho. it will be interesting to find out what Clara's story is...The Doctor mentioned something to her about watching her die a few times (and I think that he mentioned that those faceless monsters terrorizing them were actually her)... : Saw the Tom Baker-Doctor special and totally enjoyed it. Very 70's. The lack of action compared to todays fare is to be noted (I didnt mind) and at three hours long beware of boredom at times. Still, for its place in Whostory, a very enjoyable experience. Baker was great. I enjoyed the Tom Baker special as well...best Doctor, IMO...I would have preferred that the Series that they showed was during the Nyssa/Adric/K9 Companionships...that would have led into the next Doctor better...

Zvon Apr 29 2013 11:24 PM Re: Dr Who

Back to Who. I know we got well into the TARDIS before (I'm thinking Amy and Rory in The Doctors Wife) but I have not seen every episode (esp b4 the reboot). Have we ever been given a deeper view than this one? I'm gonna rewatch before I comment more but one thing I did notice: The key on the TARDIS control board the the Doctor used to put it in "easy mode" said "SMITHS". Does this mean anything to anyone(a real key co.? the Doc uses the name Smith quite a bit- a red herring on the name business?)? Dr Who has done that before with the term "Bad Wolf"... The term "Bad Wolf" appears in every episode of the first series except for "Rose" and the two-part stories which only have one explicit reference between the two episodes.[10] It is also seen in further series of Doctor Who and in the Torchwood episode "Captain Jack Harkness" as graffiti inside the dance hall. In one of "The Weakest Link" sequences, one of the correct answers is revealed to be Torchwood, the first appearance of the name in Doctor Who;[1] it would become the story arc for the second series. The Doctor, Jack, and Lynda search for Rose. They find her as she loses in the final round of The Weakest Link, and is promptly disintegrated. "Bad Wolf" is the twelfth episode of the first series of the British science fiction television series Doctor Who, which was first broadcast on June 11, 2005. The TARDIS crew find themselves trapped in the Gamestation, also known as Satellite 5, where they must battle to survive the cruel games. However, when Rose is taken away, the Doctor realizes his deadliest enemies have returned en masse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Wolf I followed the reboot right from the start and loved that they had an under running theme like Bad Wolf. And the whole buildup to where we learn what that's about was great Who, great TV. Under running themes have been a staple of the new Who and I'm always looking to see them. Sometimes they are not season long things. So your saying that the key is just part of the under running theme about the revelation of his name? That would be kinda funny if his name is really Smith. I went to the Docs site for a pic to post here and I saw a link to the title posters of the next two episodes. I usually wouldn't do this (I wanted to see how they looked) cuz I hate knowing anything ahead of time, but I was not pissed. I was thrilled with what I saw. Go and look if you want a bit of a spoiler. As far as Clara goes I'm trying to keep an open slate and let them fill it in, but the mind does wonder and I do have some thoughts. Too far out to post tho. it will be interesting to find out what Clara's story is...The Doctor mentioned something to her about watching her die a few times (and I think that he mentioned that those faceless monsters terrorizing them were actually her)... One was. The others were the Doctor and the two bros. All were future versions of themselves after being burned up. At least that's what I got from it but it still begs the question : why did one of them (or her) kill the first brother? I do want to watch this again. : Saw the Tom Baker-Doctor special and totally enjoyed it. Very 70's. The lack of action compared to todays fare is to be noted (I didnt mind) and at three hours long beware of boredom at times. Still, for its place in Whostory, a very enjoyable experience. Baker was great. I enjoyed the Tom Baker special as well...best Doctor, IMO...I would have preferred that the Series that they showed was during the Nyssa/Adric/K9 Companionships...that would have led into the next Doctor better... I would have enjoyed that. They must be thinking everyone wanted to see Sara Jane. It was nice seeing her in one of her primes.

Ceetar Apr 30 2013 07:16 AM Re: Dr Who

Did the crack that opened for the Doctor near the end remind everyone of Amy's crack? (haha) I almost expected to see a glimpse of her bedroom through it.

vtmet Apr 30 2013 11:50 AM Re: Dr Who

Ceetar wrote: Did the crack that opened for the Doctor near the end remind everyone of Amy's crack? (haha) I almost expected to see a glimpse of her bedroom through it. I was thinking the same thing...Prisoner Zero has escaped...Prisoner Zero has escaped...

Zvon Apr 30 2013 01:50 PM Re: Dr Who

Ceetar wrote: Did the crack that opened for the Doctor near the end remind everyone of Amy's crack? (haha) I almost expected to see a glimpse of her bedroom through it. Also thought the same thing. It was sideways, but still, very much like the crack in Amys wall. I guess cracks in time all looks the same. I'd love to see that crack form in some future episode and Amy and Rory walk out of it. That would blow my mind.

RealityChuck Apr 30 2013 04:46 PM Re: Dr Who

A few of the 4th Doctor's lesser-known adventures: [youtube:3h8qncgc]iJeu3LCo-6A[/youtube:3h8qncgc]

Mets – Willets Point May 01 2013 01:03 PM Re: Dr Who

I finally watched the latest episode last night. Not sure what to make of it. It seemed the pacing was off and that they could've done a lot more with a cool concept. There were some great visuals though, and I think there are some things that would be worth a second viewing. Oh, and what a way to be a total dick to one's brother.

Zvon May 02 2013 02:46 PM Re: Dr Who

RealityChuck wrote: A few of the 4th Doctor's lesser-known adventures: [youtube]iJeu3LCo-6A[/youtube] This is a blast (from the past). Did you see the in the Doctors Revisited special where he says :"I didn't play the Doctor. There was no acting involved. I WAS the doctor." He was and is whenever I see him in that role.

Mets – Willets Point May 04 2013 09:56 PM Re: Dr Who

The Crimson Horror - creepy, gripping, different. Rigg is wonderfully loony. I was expecting Mr. Sweet to be the Great Intelligence. I was not at all expecting Mr. Sweet to be who he was. "Do you know what these are? The wrong hands!"

vtmet May 05 2013 04:49 AM Re: Dr Who

I was a little disappointed by last night's episode of WHo..Once again, I think the Orphan Black episode afterwards was much more interesting... However, it was kind of funny when after the one character started kicking butt a little in the leather outfit (in an Emma Peel from the Avengers way); that I later caught on that the old, creepy judgmental, lady was actually Emma Peel from the Avengers (God did she get ugly as an old lady)... It was also funny when the children in modern times noticed that Clara was in all those pictures that she "couldn't be" in...including Victorian England, of which she corrects them by Clara-fying that it was Victorian Yorkshire (which is where Diana "Emma Peel" Rigg is from)...

Zvon May 05 2013 11:48 AM Re: Dr Who

This weeks ep: The Crimson Horror I enjoyed this episode. I really like the Lady Lizard and her friends. Strax is very consistent in his strategies. I was a big fan of the Avengers and I don't think I have seen anything of Diana Rigg since then, or On Her Majesties Secret Service, whichever came last. So I was quite a bit surprised to go from 1960s Rigg to 2013 Rigg without a peek at her in between. Even her voice was not recognizable. Her performance was excellent, as was Rachael Stirlings, her daughter in the episode (as well as in real life). The bit at the end surprised me, with the kids figuring out that Clara travels through time. I think that should have been given a little more time to develop. Seeing next weeks preview I suppose they didn't really have the time. I think its great that the Doctor will be taking on a few kids. When was the last time the Doctor traveled with a minor? Next weeks ep was not the one I was lead to believe by the title cards (the one I saw) from the website. Thats kool. I can wait for that ep.

Zvon May 05 2013 11:52 AM Re: Dr Who

Oh, and Orphan Black: this weeks episode has my head still spinning, lol. It was like a roller coaster. That one poor husband got abused! And even though Vic is a dick, I feel so bad for him. The only thing I think I really believe about that guy is that he does love Sara. We may have to branch off for this show.

vtmet May 05 2013 12:33 PM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: ... The only thing I think I really believe about that guy is that he does love Sara. . she's a possession to him, nothing more...how many people stick with a drug addict or abuser like Vic thinking that they'll change because they falsely think beneath all the bad stuff, the person really "loves them"... Paul barely knows Sarah, and I think that he actually cares more about her than Vic does...and I don't think that Paul actually liked his girlfriend Beth... That is funny how much abuse "soccer mom" put her husband through & I don't think he has a clue about the real reason why...he actually thinks that it's about the porn and the ex-girlfriend with Lupus...

Zvon May 05 2013 02:31 PM Re: Dr Who

vtmet wrote: Zvon wrote: ... The only thing I think I really believe about that guy is that he does love Sara. . she's a possession to him, nothing more...how many people stick with a drug addict or abuser like Vic thinking that they'll change because they falsely think beneath all the bad stuff, the person really "loves them"... Paul barely knows Sarah, and I think that he actually cares more about her than Vic does...and I don't think that Paul actually liked his girlfriend Beth... That is funny how much abuse "soccer mom" put her husband through & I don't think he has a clue about the real reason why...he actually thinks that it's about the porn and the ex-girlfriend with Lupus... I think Saras been playing Vic like the idiot that he is. He's a wannaBe tuff guy. I started to feel that his feelings for her were sincere when he made sure (when no one wanted to do it) there was a memorial service. I think he does really love her and I think Sara played the g/f, but the feelings were not mutual. The scene when he's trying to say one last thing to her and she just closes the garage door on him,... I felt bad for him. I do think Paul now has a thing for Sara (I might too after the table sex) but that guy is, I think, possibly more trouble than Vic could ever dream of being. Yes, Paul and Beth did not seem tight. Its amazing that Alison and her hubby could just climb into bed together after that day they just had. It was nice though, that what Sara said to him hit a chord, and it helped Alisons relationship there. If I was the hubby I would have been sleeping on the couch, if I could even stay in the house.

RealityChuck May 06 2013 07:13 AM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: The bit at the end surprised me, with the kids figuring out that Clara travels through time. I think that should have been given a little more time to develop. Seeing next weeks preview I suppose they didn't really have the time. I think its great that the Doctor will be taking on a few kids. When was the last time the Doctor traveled with a minor? The last would be Ace, who was supposed to be 16. She was the final companion for the Classic Who adventures. Prior to that, it was Adric, with the Fourth and Fifth Doctors. I don't know if his age was mentioned, but he was the youngest to regularly play a companion, and acted like a teenager. He often leads polls as the most disliked companion, though he worked very well with Tom Baker, but just didn't have the same rapport with Peter Davison. His last full appearance in Earthshock, though, is one of the most dramatic moments of the original show. The Doctor has never had any companions who were not at least in their teens, though (not counting Amy Pond, who he met as a child, but who didn't travel with him until she grew up). There have been stories that centered on children and one or two may have gone inside the TARDIS, but none stayed more than an episode.

Vic Sage May 06 2013 08:26 AM Re: Dr Who

I loved this episode.. It felt like a classic, with the Silurian lizard woman Vastra and Strax the Sontaran, and their leather-clad butt-kicking lady's maid, Jenny, all helping the Dr. and clara kill a crazed parasite/woman bent on the destruction of humanity. My favorite so far this 2nd season.

vtmet May 06 2013 07:24 PM Re: Dr Who

The bit at the end surprised me, with the kids figuring out that Clara travels through time. I think that should have been given a little more time to develop. Seeing next weeks preview I suppose they didn't really have the time. I think its great that the Doctor will be taking on a few kids. When was the last time the Doctor traveled with a minor? The last would be Ace, who was supposed to be 16. She was the final companion for the Classic Who adventures. Prior to that, it was Adric, with the Fourth and Fifth Doctors. I don't know if his age was mentioned, but he was the youngest to regularly play a companion, and acted like a teenager. He often leads polls as the most disliked companion, though he worked very well with Tom Baker, but just didn't have the same rapport with Peter Davison. His last full appearance in Earthshock, though, is one of the most dramatic moments of the original show. The Doctor has never had any companions who were not at least in their teens, though (not counting Amy Pond, who he met as a child, but who didn't travel with him until she grew up). There have been stories that centered on children and one or two may have gone inside the TARDIS, but none stayed more than an episode. funny thing about Adric being the "youngest" prior to Ace...The actor that portrayed Adric was only 5 days younger than the actress that portrayed his co-companion Nyssa (Sarah Sutton was born December 12, 1961, whereas Mathew Waterhouse was born December 17th, 1961)...However, I believe that Adric appeared on the show prior to Nyssa (so he had aged by the time Nyssa showed up)...Plus I think that his character was supposed to be younger than the actor (actor was 18, almost 19, when he first appeared); whereas I think that Nyssa was supposed to be somewhere in the 18-25 age group... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyssa_(Doctor_Who) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adric http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companion_(Doctor_Who)

vtmet May 06 2013 07:32 PM Re: Dr Who

I never realized that a lot of Doctor Who fans hated Adric...I found Tegan (who also was a co-companion of Adric) far more annoying...and I think Donna Noble was the most annoying companion of the modern Doctor Who series (although her grand father was one of the best co-stars of the modern WHo, so I guess that made Donna slightly less annoying)...

vtmet May 06 2013 07:39 PM Re: Dr Who

and in the continued case of tv/movies using older people to play Sixth-Form or High School age kids; the actress that portrayed 16 year old "Ace" was actually 25 years old when she first landed the role... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Aldred

RealityChuck May 07 2013 07:07 AM Re: Dr Who

vtmet wrote: I never realized that a lot of Doctor Who fans hated Adric...I found Tegan (who also was a co-companion of Adric) far more annoying...and I think Donna Noble was the most annoying companion of the modern Doctor Who series (although her grand father was one of the best co-stars of the modern WHo, so I guess that made Donna slightly less annoying)... Adric was the Wesley Crusher of Doctor Who. Most fans at the time found him whiney and arrogant. Tegan, OTOH, was appreciated for being a bit of smart mouth.

Vic Sage May 07 2013 07:40 AM Re: Dr Who

vtmet wrote: ...and I think Donna Noble was the most annoying companion of the modern Doctor Who series (although her grand father was one of the best co-stars of the modern WHo, so I guess that made Donna slightly less annoying)... ditto.

RealityChuck May 07 2013 08:34 AM Re: Dr Who

I liked Donna and Tegan; it's nice to have a companion who talks back to the Doctor. Amy and Clara seem willing to do it, too. In classic Who, there was Romana I (she was often subtly mocking him), but that element was scaled back, a major reason why Mary Tamm left the show and Leela ("You only ask so you can answer yourself.") What was especially good about Donna was the poignancy of the ending: she became a better person with the Doctor and all that was lost.

Mets – Willets Point May 07 2013 09:03 AM Re: Dr Who

I thought Donna was the best foil to David Tennant. Catherine Tate does comedy very well but also could also carry more serious drama. Adric definitely suffered from the Wesley Crusher syndrome, that is nerdy teenage boys HATE depictions of nerdy teenage boys. He also suffered from the uneven scriptwriting of the early to mid 1980s. In some stories he was a math genius and a benefit to the TARDIS crew. In other stories he was just a useless and petulant brat, and sexist to boot. Granted a character can have all these qualities but there was very little attempt to balance them from story to story and thus I think that the stories with "bad Adric" stick in the memory of many fans.

vtmet May 07 2013 10:47 AM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: ... that is nerdy teenage boys HATE depictions of nerdy teenage boys. ... I can understand that point...In some ways, Luke from Star Wars fits this mold of perception... on a counterpoint, how many nerds watch "How I met your mother"; "2 and a half Men" and "Big Bang Theory"? Sheldon is probably the biggest nerd on tv, but he's also one of the funniest characters as well... maybe some of it comes from trying to cast a nerd as a heart-throb for the ladies...guys are repulsed by Justin Beiber, whereas for some reason, women love the pukey kid...

Ceetar May 07 2013 12:03 PM Re: Dr Who

vtmet wrote: Mets – Willets Point wrote: ... that is nerdy teenage boys HATE depictions of nerdy teenage boys. ... I can understand that point...In some ways, Luke from Star Wars fits this mold of perception... on a counterpoint, how many nerds watch "How I met your mother"; "2 and a half Men" and "Big Bang Theory"? Sheldon is probably the biggest nerd on tv, but he's also one of the funniest characters as well... maybe some of it comes from trying to cast a nerd as a heart-throb for the ladies...guys are repulsed by Justin Beiber, whereas for some reason, women love the pukey kid... the perception of nerds has changed a lot over the last decade or so though.

Zvon May 10 2013 03:43 PM Re: Dr Who

Any of you familiar with this graphic novel? I read some good things about it and got a digital copy. It involves the 6th Doctor. So far very interesting.

Zvon May 12 2013 01:57 PM Re: Dr Who

This weeks episode: Nightmare In Silver Fantastic episode. Love the jazzed up Cybermen. That one attack when he took the girl/kid-Angie, with the speeding up effect, was superkool. The performance by Smith, as well as the scenes between the Doctor and Mr Clever Cyber Planner were extra excellent. I hope we see alot more of the little Emperor. Great character. This is a prime example of a classic Who ep. I was a lil surprised there was no backstory/buildup to when/how/why the Doctor picked up the kids. But I like it. Moffs gotta know some people will be like 'WTF?' but I like it. I do see a prequel for next weeks ep at the BBC site and I wonder if there was one for this. I'll have to scout around.

Mets – Willets Point May 13 2013 10:27 AM Re: Dr Who Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 13 2013 10:30 AM

Have mixed feelings about the episode, mostly good though. I find the split-persona Jeckyl/Hyde plot kind of a tired idea, but Smith performs it so well that I can't complain. Loved Warwick Davis' performance as Porridge and the big reveal was a pleasant surprise. I liked seeing Clara put in charge and how competently she lead the punishment unit. It's reminiscent of how well Amy took on responsibility in Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. I think companions getting "something to do" and seeing them work things out without the Doctor's direct help is something we should see more often. Lots of shout-outs to Doctor Who history throughout the show which is increasing as the series goes along and I'm hoping a good buildup to the 50th anniversary. I thought that the kids would have a bigger part in this episode but they seem to exist merely as an excuse to visit the amusement planet and then to be in peril. I was left wondering why when they arrived after the park was out of business why the Doctor didn't use his time machine to take them back to when it was open. Or why when the Doctor discovered something was out of sorts he didn't use the TARDIS to take them somewhere safe first. I guess to me the kids just had no real part in the story, and even Angie's discovery about Porridge could've been rewritten for Clara. I'm not a big fan of the Cybermen as recurring monsters and thought their role in this story could've been filled by any generic monster. The "bullet time" effect for that one Cyberman WAS very cool, but then why do they revert to plodding, stomping robots when attacking the castle? All right, nits picked, but again I enjoyed the episode and I think like a lot of stories this season there is stuff hidden in there that will reward repeated viewings. OE: Neil Gaiman giving a shoutout to John Landis with "See you next Wednesday." I love it when there's a reference I actually get.

Mets – Willets Point May 13 2013 10:29 AM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: I was a lil surprised there was no backstory/buildup to when/how/why the Doctor picked up the kids. But I like it. Moffs gotta know some people will be like 'WTF?' but I like it. I do see a prequel for next weeks ep at the BBC site and I wonder if there was one for this. I'll have to scout around. The last few minutes of "The Crimson Horror" pretty much set up that the kids were blackmailing Clara into taking them on a trip in the TARDIS. I found it pretty much all I needed to fill in the blanks. Personally, I loved the image of their four heads popping around the doorway at the beginning of the show.

Vic Sage May 13 2013 11:51 AM Re: Dr Who

OE: Neil Gaiman giving a shoutout to John Landis with "See you next Wednesday." I love it when there's a reference I actually get. there was also the "if someone asks you if you want to be Queen of the universe, you say `yes'!" GHOSTBUSTERS reference. on the whole, a very disappointing episode. I'd been waiting all season for the Neil Gaiman episode and this was it? kids on an amusement planet with Cybermen? It was all done well enough, but it lacked the emotional payoff Gaiman is so capable of. His last episode, where the TARDIS's mind is in the body of a woman and we finally see the real relationship of the Doctor to the TARDIS, is profoundly beautiful. This one? Not in the least. No deeper themes, no development of the characters, no emotional resonance. feh.

RealityChuck May 13 2013 12:41 PM Re: Dr Who

I liked the episode, especially with the nods to the original series ("That's a cybermat!" I said as soon as I saw them). Gaiman succeeded in his goal of making the Cybermen scary again, and the episode was perfectly plotted.

Zvon May 13 2013 12:54 PM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Lots of shout-outs to Doctor Who history throughout the show which is increasing as the series goes along and I'm hoping a good buildup to the 50th anniversary. OE: Neil Gaiman giving a shoutout to John Landis with "See you next Wednesday." I love it when there's a reference I actually get. I wondered during The Crimson Horror, with the accent Smith used in the flashback and telling Clara "There's trouble at the mill", if they were giving Monte Python a shoutout. Mets – Willets Point wrote: Zvon wrote: I was a lil surprised there was no backstory/buildup to when/how/why the Doctor picked up the kids. But I like it. Moffs gotta know some people will be like 'WTF?' but I like it. I do see a prequel for next weeks ep at the BBC site and I wonder if there was one for this. I'll have to scout around. The last few minutes of "The Crimson Horror" pretty much set up that the kids were blackmailing Clara into taking them on a trip in the TARDIS. I found it pretty much all I needed to fill in the blanks. Personally, I loved the image of their four heads popping around the doorway at the beginning of the show. That was neat. I suppose you're right, but I was still curious as to how the Doctor got them aboard and their initial reactions to seeing him and the Tardis (for what they really were) and the whole dealeeo. I don't mind though, and I like when the show jumps around a little like that. For all we know we may see the scene where he picks them up in a future ep (not likely, lol).

Ceetar May 14 2013 07:28 AM Re: Dr Who

I enjoyed this one. Mostly for the Doctor/Cyber Planet chess match stuff. I would've liked to see more of the amusement park. A Cyber Man on a roller coaster would've been terrific. My pet theory for this season/Clara has always been duality of some sort, and it continues here.

Mets – Willets Point May 14 2013 07:40 AM Re: Dr Who

OE: Neil Gaiman giving a shoutout to John Landis with "See you next Wednesday." I love it when there's a reference I actually get. there was also the "if someone asks you if you want to be Queen of the universe, you say `yes'!" GHOSTBUSTERS reference. That's true. The second Ghostbusters reference this season. Ghosts and monsters as metaphors have been another running theme.

Zvon May 14 2013 02:14 PM Re: Dr Who

Ceetar wrote: I enjoyed this one. Mostly for the Doctor/Cyber Planet chess match stuff. I would've liked to see more of the amusement park. A Cyber Man on a roller coaster would've been terrific. My pet theory for this season/Clara has always been duality of some sort, and it continues here. I'm gonna jump out on a limb and tell you my theory. This is my theory, that is the theory that I have, and which is mine, and what it is. Oh, my theory that I have follows the lines I am about to relate. (Coughs) Ahem. Ahem. Ahem. Ahem. Ahem. Ahem. Clara IS the Tardis before the Tardis became the Tardis. That is the theory that I have, and which is mine, and what it is too

Mets – Willets Point May 14 2013 02:18 PM Re: Dr Who

Thank you Miss Elk.

Vic Sage May 15 2013 07:58 AM Re: Dr Who

RealityChuck wrote: I liked the episode, especially with the nods to the original series ("That's a cybermat!" I said as soon as I saw them). Gaiman succeeded in his goal of making the Cybermen scary again, and the episode was perfectly plotted. I agree, a Gaiman script is going to be perfectly plotted. That's a given. But what ELSE is it? References to original series? yeah, i don't care. I was not a fan of the original series. The sight of a "cybermat" doesn't throw me into paroxysms of joy. And an episode shouldn't rely on that kind of emotional connection to have an impact. Gaiman's goal was to make the Cybermen scary again? I missed that memo. I don't know what his goal was, other than telling a compelling story, but if that was his goal, he failed utterly. Making Cybermen fast (like "fast zombies"), and immediately adaptive, like Borg, and absurdly numerous, simply made them ridiculous (a ridiculousness reinforced by being on an amusement park planet, fighting a dwarf and a bunch of key stone soldiers). And Matt Smith giving a performance out of Steve Martin's ALL OF ME only added to the silliness. What makes cybermen scary is not the cybermen themselves; it is the process of conversion where human beings are strapped down and dissected alive. The terror of vivisection combined with the loss of humanity, with our souls trapped in metal forever... now THAT is some scary shit. And this had none of that. But more than anything, it lacked Gaiman's signature frisson, if you'll pardon my French. It was the kind of script any solid staff writer could've typed up so Moffat could use it as a filler episode until he figured out where he wanted to take the Dr/Clara relationship next. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that, it's just a disappointment coming from Gaiman. I was expecting something special.

Mets – Willets Point May 15 2013 08:15 AM Re: Dr Who

Allegedly when River Song appears in the next episode it will be after The Library in her timeline which means she's either getting a new body or will appear as a data ghost or something. So I watched "Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead" last night looking for some clues. I don't think I found any, but I was reminded of just how damned good that story was, perhaps one of my favorites of all time.

Ceetar May 15 2013 08:23 AM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Allegedly when River Song appears in the next episode it will be after The Library in her timeline which means she's either getting a new body or will appear as a data ghost or something. So I watched "Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead" last night looking for some clues. I don't think I found any, but I was reminded of just how damned good that story was, perhaps one of my favorites of all time. And it's completely different the second time. love episodes like that.

Vic Sage May 15 2013 08:44 AM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Allegedly when River Song appears in the next episode it will be after The Library in her timeline which means she's either getting a new body or will appear as a data ghost or something. So I watched "Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead" last night looking for some clues. I don't think I found any, but I was reminded of just how damned good that story was, perhaps one of my favorites of all time. Agreed. River Song was the perfect convergence of character and actress. I'm excited that they've found another way to use her.

Mets – Willets Point May 16 2013 07:54 PM Re: Dr Who

The Name of The Doctor is revealed as Alex Plain Leider.

Mets – Willets Point May 19 2013 07:20 AM Re: Dr Who

Well, that made my jaw drop.

Vic Sage May 19 2013 11:38 AM Re: Dr Who

awesome, that impossible girl.

Zvon May 19 2013 12:18 PM Re: Dr Who

[bigpurple:3iuyw1rv]EPIC[/bigpurple:3iuyw1rv]

Zvon May 19 2013 02:07 PM Re: Dr Who

The Series Seven Finale: (slight spoilers-watch ep first) If that open didn't make your head explode then you can consider your head explode proof. If certain scenes involving Clara and River (Jenny even) didn't find you emotionally compromised, you may as well be a Vulcan. If the reveal at the end didn't surprise the living shit out of you, you are a shitless entity. If you didn't think this was Classic Who then I'm going to have to ask you to step outside. Just an incredible episode! And we have to wait til November before we see how it picks up? GAHHHHHHHHHH! I won't say any more for now except to say farewell to River Song. I will always hear you, I will always see you... Goodbye sweety. *tear*

Vic Sage May 19 2013 05:54 PM Re: Dr Who

i almost swallowed my tongue

Mets – Willets Point May 20 2013 07:49 AM Re: Dr Who

Definitely, everything you all said. Loved, River & Clara's first meeting. ... the spliced in edits from classic series (esp. Clara & Hartnell). ... Strax on vacation ... Matt Smith's brilliant performance at the moment he realizes the Doctor has to go to Trenzalore (such an expression of pain). ... Clara choosing to save the universe. ... Doctor & River's farewell. ... The revelation of The Elephant Doctor. It better be worth waiting until November to follow this up.

vtmet May 20 2013 05:02 PM Re: Dr Who

finally watched the finale this afternoon...very good episode, but at the same time leaves me with more questions than answers...

Zvon May 20 2013 05:42 PM Re: Dr Who

finally watched the finale this afternoon...very good episode, but at the same time leaves me with more questions than answers... Personally, unless it's a series (forever) finale, I think that is a good thing. Here's something I whipped up last night. Not sure if I'm done w/it yet, but I'll share it anyway. Just a wallpaper dealleeoo that features River. I think everyone checked in here but I'll only link it and still say... Spoilers (damn Im gonna miss River-but she can come back, can't she?) https://picasaweb.google.com/1023875998 ... 2949734914 It better be worth waiting until November to follow this up. How could it not be? We can post Whoreish stuff while we wait. Like this: It's amazing to me that they were able to keep the BIG who news secret until broadcast. Looking now I see the info was out there, but it never crossed my gaze. Amazin'

Zvon May 21 2013 06:10 PM Re: Dr Who

~a River mini ep from the S-6 DVD

Mets – Willets Point May 22 2013 09:30 AM Re: Dr Who

Hipster River Song

Zvon May 22 2013 12:24 PM Re: Dr Who

Ceetar May 23 2013 08:27 PM Re: Dr Who

Strax on a vacation was an Irish joke that sorta went over my head I assume. It's certainly not a final farewell for River the "how am I still here" bit. Perhaps because she was linked with Clara when Clara went into the timestream gives her the option to always be around, any time. It also gives Dr Who license to use Clara whenever they want forever. I love how great that episode was, how much of a cliffhanger it was while still being a complete and finalized storyline itself. It's a cliffhanger in the sense of you still want to keep watching the show because the show is awesome, not because they decided to crash a plane and leave everything unresolved for months to keep you interested.

Mets – Willets Point May 24 2013 08:13 AM Re: Dr Who

Glasgow is actually in Scotland and the joke is that the Scots are pugnacious just like the Sontarans. Good point about the cliffhanger. The episode resolved some mysteries but then introduces The Doctor's "biggest secret" in the form of John Hurt leaving you to wonder who is he really, what did he do, and what are they going to about him in the 50th anniversary special.

Ceetar May 24 2013 08:21 AM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Glasgow is actually in Scotland and the joke is that the Scots are pugnacious just like the Sontarans. right right, Glasgow not Dublin. The 12.5% of me that's Scottish is glaring at me now. That that was the joke was what I assumed, it juse loses some of the cultural oomph it probably has for it's target audience.

vtmet May 24 2013 10:14 AM Re: Dr Who

Ceetar wrote: Strax on a vacation was an Irish joke that sorta went over my head I assume. the guy that he was fighting sounded Scottish to me...but then again, I'm Irish so I know that Irishmen don't drink in a bar, don't fight and also can't stand potatoes... It's certainly not a final farewell for River the "how am I still here" bit. Perhaps because she was linked with Clara when Clara went into the timestream gives her the option to always be around, any time. It also gives Dr Who license to use Clara whenever they want forever. I like when they leave a character open to return...River, Captain Jack Harkness, Martha Jones, Clara are all set to be able to return anytime, IMO... I love how great that episode was, how much of a cliffhanger it was while still being a complete and finalized storyline itself. It's a cliffhanger in the sense of you still want to keep watching the show because the show is awesome, not because they decided to crash a plane and leave everything unresolved for months to keep you interested. IMO, the 1st (asylum of the daleks) and the last (name of the doctor) episodes of season 7 were the best episodes of the season other than the episode where the Ponds left us (angels take manhattan)...Love the Clara actress, but the show's writing this season has been at times pretty lame...hopefully season 8 becomes a little more like season 7's finale in terms of quality of writing/drama...Also, I don't really understand why for a time traveling space alien, so many episodes feature Earth and the same tired foes (daleks, cybermen, etc)...

Zvon May 24 2013 05:21 PM Re: Dr Who

i found the plotting convoluted. And the doctor's whole "take my memories" sacrifice at the end... why didn't it work? Was the monster unable to? Why? My take on that is that the Doctor gave the thing all he had and it wasn't enough. At first it looked like he was gonna beat it and it was getting small, or suckin in or whatever was goin on there. But then it regained strength and started to go back to normal. Clara had to tip the scales. The whole "doctors memories bit" was filler I guess, but he did name names. It was interesting. I'm still going to look into if all those things he mentioned were from past eps. I don't know what I was thinking. He didn't "name names". Just mentioned destroying the Time Lords and being around for the beginning and ending of time. Ending of time might be a future thing or the 10th Doctors finale ep called The End Of Time. This is exactly what he said: For some reason I feel something said here will be significant...

Mets – Willets Point May 25 2013 08:46 PM Re: Dr Who

River Song's timeline done as a subway map.

Zvon May 25 2013 09:15 PM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: River Song's timeline done as a subway map. Thats very good. MuchoThankyou-o. Follow all links to find a big totally readable version.

Zvon May 25 2013 11:03 PM Re: Dr Who

Yo,re:Orphan Black. How can this show keep up this fevered pitch? Things that could have been really drawn out are being fired at us like T-shirts from a.....whatever those shirt-guns are.

vtmet May 26 2013 01:56 PM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: Yo,re:Orphan Black. How can this show keep up this fevered pitch? Things that could have been really drawn out are being fired at us like T-shirts from a.....whatever those shirt-guns are. I haven't watched last night's episode yet, but Orphan Black has been pretty intense...Hopefully it doesn't have a "Heroes" 2nd season, after this solid 1st season...

Zvon May 27 2013 03:23 PM Re: Dr Who

A little short bit from the 11th Doctors site: Strax Field Report: The Doctor's Greatest Secret [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p019hr50 ..and still not ginger.

Zvon May 27 2013 10:41 PM Re: Dr Who

A gif. screengrab from Claras travels through the Doctors timeline in The Name Of The Doctor Clara>___________________^The Tenth Doctor

RealityChuck Jun 01 2013 07:24 PM Re: Dr Who

Matt Smith is leaving the show at the end of the year. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22741493 Let the casting suggestions for the new Doctor begin (though I doubt anyone in the US would be right -- it'll go to a UK actor, and likely one who isn't known over here).

Zvon Jun 01 2013 08:39 PM Re: Dr Who

RealityChuck wrote: Matt Smith is leaving the show at the end of the year. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22741493 Let the casting suggestions for the new Doctor begin (though I doubt anyone in the US would be right -- it'll go to a UK actor, and likely one who isn't known over here). Wowzers. This is a shame. He's been such a good Doctor. Steven Moffat, lead writer and executive producer, says : "Every day, on every episode, in every set of rushes, Matt Smith surprised me: the way he'd turn a line, or spin on his heels, or make something funny, or out of nowhere make me cry, I just never knew what was coming next. The Doctor can be clown and hero, often at the same time, and Matt rose to both challenges magnificently. And even better than that, given the pressures of this extraordinary show, he is one of the nicest and hardest-working people I have ever had the privilege of knowing. Whatever we threw at him - sometimes literally - his behaviour was always worthy of the Doctor. But great actors always know when it's time for the curtain call, so this Christmas prepare for your hearts to break, as we say goodbye to number Eleven. Thank you Matt - bow ties were never cooler. Of course, this isn't the end of the story, because now the search begins. Somewhere out there right now - all unknowing, just going about their business - is someone who's about to become the Doctor. A life is going to change, and Doctor Who will be born all over again! After 50 years, that's still so exciting!" When it comes to this show I always think in the back of my mind that what they put out might not be what they are really planning, but this sounds like its really the case. I don't like to know at all what's going to happen in the future of a TV show, but I do believe it's wise to give Who fans a heads up when they decide to change Doctors.

Mets – Willets Point Jun 01 2013 08:43 PM Re: Dr Who

Time for the doctor to regenerate as a woman.

Zvon Jun 01 2013 08:45 PM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Time for the doctor to regenerate as a woman. I can deal with that. Or Ginger. Or an older man who can find his way to River Song and have a slice of married life.

seawolf17 Jun 02 2013 09:36 AM Re: Dr Who

I guess we have a target date to catch up, then. Only halfway through 11's first season now. I am madly in love with Amy Pond, by the way.

Zvon Jun 02 2013 12:28 PM Re: Dr Who

seawolf17 wrote: I guess we have a target date to catch up, then. Only halfway through 11's first season now. I am madly in love with Amy Pond, by the way. Who wasn't?

seawolf17 Jun 02 2013 04:26 PM Re: Dr Who

You say "wasn't" as though she is somehow in the past. I refuse to accept this.

Ceetar Jun 02 2013 07:02 PM Re: Dr Who

She's gonna play a bad gal in a movie sometime soon. I've already forgotten whre/when/what/etc but I think it was a comic movie. edit: This google thing is neat. Lead female villain in Guardians of the Galaxy.

Zvon Jun 02 2013 09:06 PM Re: Dr Who

Ceetar wrote: She's gonna play a bad gal in a movie sometime soon. I've already forgotten whre/when/what/etc but I think it was a comic movie. edit: This google thing is neat. Lead female villain in Guardians of the Galaxy. Some have picked her to be the next Doctor. Not me tho. Shes Amy to me, always. Who would I pick for the next Doctor? Hmmmmm.

Mets – Willets Point Jun 02 2013 09:21 PM Re: Dr Who

seawolf17 wrote: I guess we have a target date to catch up, then. Only halfway through 11's first season now. I am madly in love with Amy Pond, by the way. You have time to go back to William Hartnell and really catch up.

Vic Sage Jun 03 2013 09:38 AM Re: Dr Who

I am madly in love with Amy Pond, by the way. yeah, get in line dude. The next doctor should be black; it might give his love of humanity a bit of a jolt as he has to deal with particularly human attitudes. A little ambivalence is good for drama. Maybe go the whole 9 yards... a black gay female dwarf, with one leg and a mental illness.

Zvon Jun 03 2013 02:43 PM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage wrote: I am madly in love with Amy Pond, by the way. yeah, get in line dude. The next doctor should be black; it might give his love of humanity a bit of a jolt as he has to deal with particularly human attitudes. A little ambivalence is good for drama. Maybe go the whole 9 yards... a black gay female dwarf, with one leg and a mental illness. I think you're spot on. The show is at its highest peak ever and I would be VERY surprised if they went with an white male actor. Black, female, a child, an older man, ginger...they are going to go for it, I figure. Last time they changed Doctors I was very high on James Callis's performance on Battlestar and thought he would make a great doctor. But it's this mold that they are gonna break.

Mets – Willets Point Jun 05 2013 10:21 AM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage Jun 10 2013 09:52 AM Re: Dr Who

Rory Williams is now starring in ONCE on Broadway. I saw him last night on the Tony broadcast, doing one of the songs with the whole ONCE cast; he sings pretty well. Now if they could just get Amy to play the girl, we'd have a nerd overload.

vtmet Jun 10 2013 02:34 PM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage wrote: I am madly in love with Amy Pond, by the way. yeah, get in line dude. The next doctor should be black; it might give his love of humanity a bit of a jolt as he has to deal with particularly human attitudes. A little ambivalence is good for drama. Maybe go the whole 9 yards... a black gay female dwarf, with one leg and a mental illness. Actually the next Doctor should be the guy that played Captain Jack Harkness; just to totally screw with people's heads like Clara is supposed to... If I remember correctly, Harkness can't die, just like Clara can't die...so if Doctor WHo regenerated into Torchwood...but Torchwood is now Doctor WHo...oh my brain hurts already...

Ceetar Jun 10 2013 02:50 PM Re: Dr Who

We've seen the last of Harkness although I'm sure they can always change that, time travel and all. Their last meeting was supposedly the last time the Doctor saw him. Wasn't it in that extreme traffic jam in New New York?

Zvon Jun 10 2013 05:00 PM Re: Dr Who

Ceetar wrote: We've seen the last of Harkness although I'm sure they can always change that, time travel and all. Their last meeting was supposedly the last time the Doctor saw him. Wasn't it in that extreme traffic jam in New New York? Was this in Who or Torchwood? I've seen Torchwood sporadically over the years and have heard some Doctor/CaptJack adventures referenced.

vtmet Jun 10 2013 07:40 PM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: Ceetar wrote: We've seen the last of Harkness although I'm sure they can always change that, time travel and all. Their last meeting was supposedly the last time the Doctor saw him. Wasn't it in that extreme traffic jam in New New York? Was this in Who or Torchwood? I've seen Torchwood sporadically over the years and have heard some Doctor/CaptJack adventures referenced. Doctor WHo has never been on Torchwood, but characters from Torchwood have been on Doctor Who...

Ceetar Jun 10 2013 08:25 PM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: We've seen the last of Harkness although I'm sure they can always change that, time travel and all. Their last meeting was supposedly the last time the Doctor saw him. Wasn't it in that extreme traffic jam in New New York? Was this in Who or Torchwood? I've seen Torchwood sporadically over the years and have heard some Doctor/CaptJack adventures referenced. never seen Torchwood yet. This is waaaaaaaaay in the future obviously of Harkness' timeline, and they've been careful about not making the connection explicit. But I guess he could still somehow meet Jack, as this 'third and final' meeting with the Face of Boe seems to only apply to just the Face bits. wibbly wobbly.. The Face of Boe eventually recovered, saying that although he had grown tired of the universe, the Doctor had shown him a new way of looking at things. The Doctor asked about the message, but the Face told him that it could wait for their third and final meeting, and teleported away. (TV: New Earth) The Doctor was ultimately reunited with the Face of Boe one last time during his travels with Martha Jones, in the year 5,000,000,053. Boe revealed his last secret with his dying breath after sacrificing himself to save the city of New New York: "You [the Doctor] are not alone". The Doctor dismissed this, as he still firmly believed himself the last Time Lord. This was the only time the Face of Boe communicated vocally with his only words out loud being "you are not alone." (TV: Gridlock)

Zvon Jun 10 2013 09:19 PM Re: Dr Who

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: We've seen the last of Harkness although I'm sure they can always change that, time travel and all. Their last meeting was supposedly the last time the Doctor saw him. Wasn't it in that extreme traffic jam in New New York? Was this in Who or Torchwood? I've seen Torchwood sporadically over the years and have heard some Doctor/CaptJack adventures referenced. never seen Torchwood yet. This is waaaaaaaaay in the future obviously of Harkness' timeline, and they've been careful about not making the connection explicit. But I guess he could still somehow meet Jack, as this 'third and final' meeting with the Face of Boe seems to only apply to just the Face bits. wibbly wobbly.. The Face of Boe eventually recovered, saying that although he had grown tired of the universe, the Doctor had shown him a new way of looking at things. The Doctor asked about the message, but the Face told him that it could wait for their third and final meeting, and teleported away. (TV: New Earth) The Doctor was ultimately reunited with the Face of Boe one last time during his travels with Martha Jones, in the year 5,000,000,053. Boe revealed his last secret with his dying breath after sacrificing himself to save the city of New New York: "You [the Doctor] are not alone". The Doctor dismissed this, as he still firmly believed himself the last Time Lord. This was the only time the Face of Boe communicated vocally with his only words out loud being "you are not alone." (TV: Gridlock) If the last one is the ep with the cat nursewomen I remember that. I remember what you're talking about now, with the traffic jam, when theyd jump down cars. Never tried to really keep track in their timeline associations. I dont count that whole Face Of Boe thing when I think about Capt Jack. I know we are led to believe he is Boe in the future and alladat. And he probly is. But its that actors characterization that makes Capt Jack who he is to me. I never went out of my way to catch Torchwood, like I would for Who. vtmet wrote: Doctor WHo has never been on Torchwood, but characters from Torchwood have been on Doctor Who... Thats what I was wondering. Ive seen enough eps to have heard them mentioning the doctor, and even one time IIRC you could hear the TARDIS noise in a room Capt Jack went into and when the gang went in to look he was gone.. Something like that. So as far as we know (with the actual Capt Jack whos running around with more than a face) the doc and the capt have had adventures we don't know about, and its never been revealed if or how they parted ways for good?

Zvon Jun 27 2013 09:10 PM Re: Dr Who

Nov 23rd! Come on. And now BBC Amer don't show any Doctor Who at all, it seems. Gonna pop in a DvD from series 6. In the meantime, we can name all the characters that the Doctor saved. I know most of these but there are a few I have no clue. I'll name three: Hulk, Speed Racer, and Jean Luc Picard.

Ceetar Jun 27 2013 09:31 PM Re: Dr Who

Raphael? But no Michaelango or Leonardo or Donatello? Did he leave them to die?

Zvon Jun 29 2013 03:10 PM Re: Dr Who

I'll name three: Hulk, Speed Racer, and Jean Luc Picard. 1. Hulk 2. Picard 3. Speed Racer 4. Raphael 5. Barbara Gordon? (in wheelchair) 6. Robocop (behind Speed) Where is Raphael Ceetar? Who do you suppose the man on the TV is? Tonight BBCamer will air The Doctors Revisited: The Sixth Doctor.

Ceetar Jun 29 2013 10:25 PM Re: Dr Who

'tis Harry Potter! and Hellboy. and gizmo (is that Indiana Jones behind him? (on the left transformers bus) Rap's in the bottom right.

Zvon Jun 30 2013 12:01 AM Re: Dr Who

Ceetar wrote: 'tis Harry Potter! and Hellboy. and gizmo (is that Indiana Jones behind him? (on the left transformers bus) Rap's in the bottom right. Oh, I'm not familiar with the Turtles names. That wasn't my bag baby. Thnx. I am curious about those I don't recognize. I think thats Indi, yes. Next to him I can only guess the new Sherlock Holmes (BBCone) guy, just cuzza how hes dressed. Looks a lil like the actor. Way across on the right side theres Spock, Gandalf, and is that two Lukes from different times? _______________ I watched the 6th Doctor special and it was very good. Best of these old revisit eps Ive seen so far. Very good writing, more in line with what we see today. Great monster alien character. Impressed by that makeup and the guys performance. Special effects were par for the times (1985) BBC wise. Don't recall ever seeing a 6th Doc ep and I always figured this guy would be my least favorite. He wouldnt be top 5 but he didnt suck. The companion was Peri. First time seeing her. Kinda hot. Pretty bad actress. Thought it a little silly that they tortured people with advanced lasers but they executed them by hanging.

seawolf17 Jun 30 2013 05:43 AM Re: Dr Who

The "Transformers bus" would be Optimus Prime. One of the Thundercats behind Indy. Second Luke is young Obi-Wan. Iron Giant and Voltron in the background on the right, and Marty McFly (?) behind the Ninja Turtle. Mr. Incredible and Aquaman behind Hellboy. This is neat.

Ceetar Jun 30 2013 07:05 AM Re: Dr Who

Neo next to Obi Wan, Link sitting down on his other side.

Zvon Jun 30 2013 11:34 AM Re: Dr Who Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 30 2013 03:12 PM

I'll pick off the easy ones cause I'm an old man. Above Hulk: Spiderman, Green Lantern, Peter Pan. Maybe I'll whip up a version of the image with the characters ID numbered. Wouldn't be surprised if there's one out there already. 1. Hulk 2. Captain Picard 3. Speed Racer 4. Raphael 5. Barbara Gordon 6. Robocop 7. Harry Potter 8. Hellboy 9. Gizmo 10. Indiana Jones 11. Spock 12. Gandalf 13. Luke Skywalker 14. Obi-Wan Kenobe 15. Optimus Prime 16. A Thundercat 17. Iron Giant 18. Voltron 19. Marty McFly 20. Mr. Incredible 21. Aquaman 22. Neo 23. Link 24. Peter Pan 25. Green Lantern 26. Spiderman

Zvon Jun 30 2013 12:30 PM Re: Dr Who

Looking for more info regarding this drawing. It was done by comic artist Dean Trippe. It’s called ”You’ll Be Safe Here”. Heres a link to a much bigger version: [url]http://www.igeektrooper.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/youllbesafe1.jpg This is also by Trippe, and confirms that the one guy is Sherlock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[url]http://deantrippe.com/

Zvon Jun 30 2013 03:47 PM Re: Dr Who

I figure someone must have done this (ID'd them) already online, but I cant find it. And its more fun this way anyways. Ill add Captain Wright America, Robin hoodie, & Wolverine. Zvon wrote: 1. Hulk 2. Captain Picard 3. Speed Racer 4. Raphael 5. Barbara Gordon 6. Robocop 7. Harry Potter 8. Hellboy 9. Gizmo 10. Indiana Jones 11. Spock 12. Gandalf 13. Luke Skywalker 14. Obi-Wan Kenobe 15. Optimus Prime 16. A Thundercat 17. Iron Giant 18. Voltron 19. Marty McFly 20. Mr. Incredible 21. Aquaman 22. Neo 23. Link 24. Peter Pan 25. Green Lantern 26. Spiderman 27. Captain America 28. Robin 29. Wolverine.

seawolf17 Jun 30 2013 04:58 PM Re: Dr Who

Hawkman next to Hulk's right shoulder Superman/girl/boy (duh) Human Torch above Voltron Cyclops (l) and Storm (r) next to the Doctor's right shoulder Peter Venkman is the Ghostbuster? (Next to Marty)

Zvon Jun 30 2013 06:29 PM Re: Dr Who

seawolf17 wrote: Hawkman next to Hulk's right shoulder Superman/girl/boy (duh) Human Torch above Voltron Cyclops (l) and Storm (r) next to the Doctor's right shoulder Peter Venkman is the Ghostbuster? (Next to Marty) I saw what I figured to be Superboy but then, the pants. What is that? Jeans and sneakers? Is that what he wears these days? There are a few alt Supermans, alt Batmans and alt Spidermans. I only know a few of those. Ill even question if the hero I tagged as Spiderman is the reg one. Uni looks out of order and I doubt that is a mistake. Batman 2(from Batman Beyond)-top left of Green Lantern Carnage?-Upper right hand corner. I'll post another number key after we get 30 more. If I have tagged any of em wrong, please let me know.

Vic Sage Jul 01 2013 10:00 AM Re: Dr Who

I figure someone must have done this (ID'd them) already online, but I cant find it. And its more fun this way anyways. Ill add Captain Wright America, Robin hoodie, & Wolverine. 1. Hulk 2. Captain Picard 3. Speed Racer 4. Raphael 5. Barbara Gordon 6. Robocop 7. Harry Potter 8. Hellboy 9. Gizmo 10. Indiana Jones 11. Spock 12. Gandalf 13. Luke Skywalker 14. Obi-Wan Kenobe 15. Optimus Prime 16. A Thundercat 17. Iron Giant 18. Voltron 19. Marty McFly 20. Mr. Incredible 21. Aquaman 22. Neo 23. Link 24. Peter Pan 25. Green Lantern 26. Spiderman 27. Captain America 28. Robin 29. Wolverine. These are guesses, not definite IDs: * Spiderman 2099 and Batman Beyond, in upper left hand corner; * Martian Manhunter (below and between them); * Iron Man, right of Martian Manhunter (left of Batman's left ear); * Legion of Superheroes (above Batman's left ear); * Nightwing (right of Hulk); * Catwoman (above Nightwing -- he should only be so lucky); * Superman / girl / boy (right of Catwoman); * Wesley Crusher (next to Picard) * Fantastic Four (Thing,right of Potter - Sue & Reed above Thing - Torch above Voltron); * Sandman (i think) just right of Thing; * Azrael/Batman (i think) just above and right of Reed Richards; * Spider-Woman on arm of Iron Giant; * Spawn on far right, right of Gandalf; * Wonder-Woman, Dr. Stange and Flash, right of Captain America; * Cyclops and Storm, right of Wolverine on bottom

Vic Sage Jul 01 2013 10:14 AM Re: Dr Who Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 02 2013 08:44 AM

also: * Rocketeer (below knee of Batman Beyond); * Starman (right of Rocketeer); * Batgirl (right of Nightwing); * Blue Beetle (right an above Gandalf); * John Constantine (far right, in front of Spawn); * Black Widow (left of Dr. Strange); * Kid Flash / Impulse (between Wonder Woman and Flash)

RealityChuck Jul 01 2013 11:01 AM Re: Dr Who

Upper left corner: Venom

Vic Sage Jul 01 2013 03:06 PM Re: Dr Who

RealityChuck wrote: Upper left corner: Venom No, figure in upper left corner is Spider-man 2099, Miguel Ohara. http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/i ... r2=piv-web

Zvon Jul 01 2013 05:37 PM Re: Dr Who

Good job Vic (I think) ;) Ill assume they are all correct if no one yells foul. Ill number them up again after a few more.

Zvon Jul 02 2013 03:22 PM Re: Dr Who

1. Hulk 2. Captain Picard 3. Speed Racer 4. Raphael 5. Barbara Gordon 6. Robocop 7. Harry Potter 8. Hellboy 9. Gizmo 10. Indiana Jones 11. Spock 12. Gandalf 13. Luke Skywalker 14. Obi-Wan Kenobe 15. Optimus Prime 16. A Thundercat 17. Iron Giant 18. Voltron 19. Marty McFly 20. Mr. Incredible 21. Aquaman 22. Neo 23. Link 24. Peter Pan 25. Green Lantern 26. Spiderman 27. Captain America 28. Robin 29. Wolverine. 30. Hawkman next to Hulk's right shoulder (possibly Thor?) 31. Superman/girl/boy 32. Human Torch above Voltron 33. Cyclops (l) and Storm (r) 34. Peter Venkman is the Ghostbuster? 35* Spiderman 2099 and Batman Beyond 36* Martian Manhunter 37* Iron Man, right of Martian Manhunter 38* Legion of Superheroes 39* Nightwing 40* Catwoman 41* Superman / girl / boy (Tagged #31) 42* Wesley Crusher 43* Fantastic Four 44* Sandman (i think) just right of Thing; (Spidermans Sandman?-Not sure who you mean-not #d yet) 45* Azrael/Batman (i think) (are these two or one name?) 46* Spider-Woman 47* Spawn 48* Wonder-Woman, Dr. Stange and Flash, 49* Cyclops, Storm (tagged 33-will be changed next update) 50* Rocketeer 51* Starman 52* Batgirl 53* Blue Beetle 54* John Constantine 55* Black Widow 56* Kid Flash 57 She-Man (Above Sherlock-shit, I never # Sherlock) 58 Green Power Ranger (do they have names?) 59 The Crow (I think) or Micheal Jackson? MJ is a joke, Crow isnt. 60 Sherlock 61. That has to be a US president, I figure. Who would the Doc be saving? JFK? And why is he on the Tardis viewer? Maybe he is reporting to a president, about keeping the heros safe? Thats an odd one. I might even message the artist about that one. __________________________________________________ I really screwed this up trying to do it the lazy cut and paste way. It would have worked if I bothered to read the list before I started numbering them. Some characters are using up more than one number, some numbers not used at all. Its not a huge big deal but I might properly re-number it at some point. Comments by me shown in bold. I added: She-Man/ Green Power Ranger/ The Crow/ Sherlock

Vic Sage Jul 02 2013 10:10 PM Re: Dr Who

44* Sandman (i think) just right of Thing; (Spidermans Sandman?-Not sure who you mean-not #d yet) 45* Azrael/Batman (i think) (are these two or one name?) *Sandman is Morpheus, Lord of Dreams, created by Neil Gaiman for DC's Vertigo imprint. *Azrael became Batman after Bane broke Batman's back, so it's the Azrael version of Batman (i think)

Zvon Jul 02 2013 10:55 PM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage wrote: 44* Sandman (i think) just right of Thing; (Spidermans Sandman?-Not sure who you mean-not #d yet) 45* Azrael/Batman (i think) (are these two or one name?) *Sandman is Morpheus, Lord of Dreams, created by Neil Gaiman for DC's Vertigo imprint. *Azrael became Batman after Bane broke Batman's back, so it's the Azrael version of Batman (i think) *so the vampire lookin dude? * k thnx. I vaguely know of the broken back incident.

Zvon Jul 03 2013 01:18 PM Re: Dr Who

I went looking into who the guy was on the Tardis view screen and ended up with a key guide to all the characters, drawn up by the artist Dean. I tried not to look before I saved it but I did view a few unknowns. I know I'll be tempted to look at it when we need a confirmation. So, since I have the key I'll disqualify myself and you guys can keep figuring out whos who and Ill confirm. I'll also re-do the tag work to be more accurate. These are two I saw and one edit: * EDIT:The one tagged as Hawkman is Thor. *The guy with the white hair behind Raphael is Col. Jack O'Niell from Stargate SG-1 * The person on the Tardis viewer is President Bartlet, from West Wing. I don't know if those last two were in comics, so the characters might cover more than the comic universe.

Mets – Willets Point Jul 03 2013 01:23 PM Re: Dr Who

Every time this thread comes up I get excited that it might be the announcement of the actor playing the next Doctor.

seawolf17 Jul 03 2013 01:28 PM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: I don't know if those last two were in comics, so the characters might cover more than the comic universe. I don't read it as the comic universe but a broader sci-fi universe.

Zvon Jul 03 2013 02:01 PM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Every time this thread comes up I get excited that it might be the announcement of the actor playing the next Doctor. Would you really want to know before hand? Since the 2005 reboot I have been fortunate enough to not have any previous knowledge in regards to regenerations. Well, I knew it was going to happen but didn't know the who part. And I prefer it that way. I may have even seen the name Matt Smith before the last one, but didn't know who he was. This is going to be a real tough gig for Moffatt, keeping a lid on the who part. If anyone here gets wind of it please find a way to make it spoiler proof if you share it here. Thnx in advance. I don't know if those last two were in comics, so the characters might cover more than the comic universe. I don't read it as the comic universe but a broader sci-fi universe. That makes this even kooler :)

Mets – Willets Point Jul 03 2013 02:54 PM Re: Dr Who

I doubt they'll actually get so far as filming and debuting the Christmas special without announcing the actor who will be playing the Doctor. Now how that person will portray the Doctor and under what circumstances, that will be the surprise!

Zvon Jul 03 2013 03:04 PM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I doubt they'll actually get so far as filming and debuting the Christmas special without announcing the actor who will be playing the Doctor. Now how that person will portray the Doctor and under what circumstances, that will be the surprise! Yea, yea you're right. I think that's how they did it with Matt. And it is how the actor portrays him as opposed to the who that I want to be unknown and fresh. The Eccelston to Tennant regen happened so soon I don't think I was into the whole online Who scene then. Okay, I remove my spoiler alert for spoilers. I have to say I really wish Smith would have stayed on a few more years. Maybe equaled or surpassed Tennants tenure. He has been sooo good.

Zvon Jul 20 2013 03:44 PM Re: Dr Who

I guess we are not doing this anymore. Thanks for playing. GJ all. I figured the kid with Batman was gonna be Mr. Trippe. And he included his current self.

Zvon Jul 21 2013 03:26 PM Re: Dr Who

Karen Gillan reveals a new do for the up and coming Marvel film Guardians of the Galaxy.

Vic Sage Jul 22 2013 08:07 AM Re: Dr Who

is she playing Moondragon? cool!

Zvon Jul 27 2013 11:00 PM Re: Dr Who

Watching the 7th Doctor special. The pre-show says this performance was a departure from Sylvester McCoys usual depiction of the doctor. Said he was more of a clown up to this point. I wouldn't know. This is the only episode of his I've ever seen. I like him. More than I thought I would. And Ace is a pretty kool companion. Very good story dealing with the Daleks. Production values better than ever for the series but still a bit behind American TV for 1988. Totally enjoyable. I'm going to want to see more McCoy episodes. I kinda figured he must have been bad cause the show was canceled during his run, but he was very good. I saw McCoy in the Doctor Who movie featuring the 8th Doctor before the regeneration. The beginning of that flick was really excellent but then it went down the tubes.

RealityChuck Jul 28 2013 09:25 AM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: Watching the 7th Doctor special. The pre-show says this performance was a departure from Sylvester McCoys usual depiction of the doctor. Said he was more of a clown up to this point. Very odd comment. Tom Baker and Patrick Troughton did clown a bit, but Hartnell, Pertwee, Davison, and Colin Baker were usually earnest.

Mets – Willets Point Jul 28 2013 08:58 PM Re: Dr Who

Doctor Who 50th anniversary special to be broadcast around the world simultaneously. BTW, you've got to love the commentor who complains that this means the USA will see the show earlier in the day than Great Britain.

Vic Sage Jul 29 2013 11:15 AM Re: Dr Who

So that's on Saturday 11/23 at 2pm EST.

Zvon Jul 29 2013 06:13 PM Re: Dr Who

wow. I like it but thats gonna be weird at 2pm. Kool link I ran into reading about this. From the LATimes:

Ceetar Aug 01 2013 10:10 AM Re: Dr Who

Sunday. [url]http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/08/01/official-bbc-to-reveal-new-doctor-who-in-live-broadcast-this-sunday/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Mets – Willets Point Aug 04 2013 12:50 PM Re: Dr Who

Scottish actor Peter Capaldi. At 55, the oldest actor to portray the Doctor since William Hartnell. Previously appeared as Caecilius in the Doctor Who story The Fires of Pompeii and John Frobisher in Torchwood: Children of Earth. Also has an interesting credit in the film World War Z.

dgwphotography Aug 04 2013 01:39 PM Re: Dr Who

No summary of Dr. Who is complete without at least a mention of River Song... I felt kind of meh at the announcement. It just seems like the same old, same old... Someone younger would have been interesting - my youngest, a huge Doctor fan, was hoping for Matt Lewis

Zvon Aug 04 2013 04:41 PM Re: Dr Who

I was a bit surprised the choice was so conservative. I kind of expected anything other than an older white Englishman. But this guy will make a good doctor if he plays it right. He's a good actor. I recall him more from Torchwood and The Hour than Doctor Who, though I've seen the Pompeii episode. IIRC he was the father in that family he saved. Karen Gillan also had a bit part in that one. Capaldi was very good in Torchwood. I can't see how this guy would not be good in the role. I imagine this Doctor will be a more serious incarnation. I can't see this guy being a clowny or funny type. But we shall see. I wonder if Smith will regen into Hurt first, and then Capaldi later, during the X-Mas show. Hurt already is slated as one of the doctors and they really should use him in some way. If not how long will they wait (if they ever)to do something with the Hurt Doctor? I don't think you can just leave that situation open.

Zvon Aug 04 2013 07:37 PM Re: Dr Who

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Vic Sage Aug 04 2013 09:35 PM Re: Dr Who

well, as long as they weren't going to do anything interesting, he seems a perfectly fine choice. i'm glad they went older, since ALL the current age of doctors have been young-ish, and Matt Smith the youngest of all. It was time for the pendulum to swing back so we can rediscover the joys of a more patrician and paternal doctor. and he was the angel Islington, from NEVERWHERE. so there's that.

Mets – Willets Point Aug 04 2013 11:40 PM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage wrote: well, as long as they weren't going to do anything interesting, he seems a perfectly fine choice. i'm glad they went older, since ALL the current age of doctors have been young-ish, and Matt Smith the youngest of all. It was time for the pendulum to swing back so we can rediscover the joys of a more patrician and paternal doctor. This is pretty much where I stand. It seems appropriate as the program enters it's 51st year to cast someone who was a young child when it premiered and grew up a fan of the show.

Zvon Aug 05 2013 12:04 PM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: Mets – Willets Point wrote: Time for the doctor to regenerate as a woman. I can deal with that. Or Ginger. Or an older man who can find his way to River Song and have a slice of married life. Can this happen now? Is there any way it can or is the book on River really closed? I would really really love it if somehow River could run a bit with this new doctor. I'd ask her but I'm pretty sure she would only put a finger to her lips and utter "spoilers".

themetfairy Aug 05 2013 07:17 PM Re: Dr Who

BBC America Considering the "Nuclear Option" - A US Version of Dr. Who

dgwphotography Aug 05 2013 07:33 PM Re: Dr Who

BBC America Considering the "Nuclear Option" - A US Version of Dr. Who About Sharpened Sticks: Tech satire with a point. Sharpened Sticks is a satirical news magazine focused on the nexus of technology and culture. Featuring content from a range of industry veterans, we provide caffeine fueled enlightenment for the clouded masses. Yes, that means it’s supposed to be funny.

themetfairy Aug 05 2013 08:10 PM Re: Dr Who

Gotcha.

Mets – Willets Point Aug 05 2013 08:38 PM Re: Dr Who

Of course, the US has threatened to make our own Doctor Who before, that's what makes it plausible.

Zvon Aug 05 2013 08:43 PM Re: Dr Who

BBC America Considering the "Nuclear Option" - A US Version of Dr. Who About Sharpened Sticks: Tech satire with a point. Sharpened Sticks is a satirical news magazine focused on the nexus of technology and culture. Featuring content from a range of industry veterans, we provide caffeine fueled enlightenment for the clouded masses. Yes, that means it’s supposed to be funny. Hey, just the same this could possibly happen. These days they are doing it with shows like Law & Order and Being Human. Primevil I think also. Both have done Sherlocks. They could consider it but I'll say right now I would never be on board for that. Aside from L&O, because its a little different over there, I don't understand why they do that kind of thing. And if they ever want to get more viewers watching BBC America all they have to do is show old Doctor Whos 24/7. Other than Who and a few select series BBC Amer sucks.

Zvon Nov 01 2013 01:30 PM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point Nov 01 2013 01:44 PM Re: Dr Who

Don't forget the Doctor Who-man Centipede.

Zvon Nov 02 2013 02:09 PM Re: Dr Who

I've seen some things regarding the 50th. I expected some kind of big surprise but considering how much info the BBC themselves are putting out, some which would have been pleasant surprises , I have to wonder. If there are any surprises (and there will be, come on!), they are gonna be huge if they plan to top the surprise that they have already told us about. Sorry I'm talking in riddles but I until all Whovians check in I'll assume the spoiler position and keep mum.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 03 2013 10:32 AM Re: Dr Who

Can you point us in the direction of these clues the BBC is releasing?

Zvon Nov 03 2013 12:50 PM Re: Dr Who

Really silly to say spoilers when I see publicity shots all over the web. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/galleries/p01js9py

Mets – Willets Point Nov 04 2013 07:17 AM Re: Dr Who

I guess I just don't get anything out of those stills other than the characters I know are going to be in the special are there in their costumes.

Zvon Nov 04 2013 08:15 PM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I guess I just don't get anything out of those stills other than the characters I know are going to be in the special are there in their costumes. Then for you it's no spoiler. :) Believe me when I say there are people who are trying not to know cause I found out the hard way. I figure if anyone has gotten this far w/o knowing about what was a surprise to me, I'll give em every chance to make it to the finishing line. One of the characters in the publicity photos was totally expected. One was not. I'm sure you can figure out which. It's gonna be kool. 19 days. :)

Mets – Willets Point Nov 08 2013 10:28 AM Re: Dr Who

A clip from "The Day of the Doctor."

Zvon Nov 08 2013 01:56 PM Re: Dr Who

Hmm. Interesting. 15 days.

Zvon Nov 14 2013 01:21 PM Re: Dr Who

[bigpurple:2ih2pwfr]wow![/bigpurple:2ih2pwfr] A 50th anni prequel mini-sode! Another very pleasant surprise. [youtube:2ih2pwfr]-U3jrS-uhuo[/youtube:2ih2pwfr] 9 days.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 14 2013 02:17 PM Re: Dr Who

Yeah, it needs to November 23rd already.

Ceetar Nov 14 2013 02:28 PM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Yeah, it needs to November 23rd already. specifically, 11/23 at 5 since it's Fibonacci Day

Mets – Willets Point Nov 14 2013 02:29 PM Re: Dr Who

BBC interviewwith Steven Moffat re: Night of the Doctor.

Zvon Nov 14 2013 04:21 PM Re: Dr Who

Seeing all these oldies showing up,....they gotta have included Eccleston in there somewhere, right? I hope so.

seawolf17 Nov 15 2013 07:31 AM Re: Dr Who

Word is that Eccleston is NOT involved. Read that a little while back. He said he wasn't interested, IIRC.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 15 2013 07:44 AM Re: Dr Who

seawolf17 wrote: Word is that Eccleston is NOT involved. Read that a little while back. He said he wasn't interested, IIRC. Yeah, but there's been a lot of fibbing and misdirection going on from the Doctor Who production team and actors, so who knows at this point.

seawolf17 Nov 15 2013 09:08 AM Re: Dr Who

Fair point. Nobody said McGann was going to be involved either, and BAM there you go.

Zvon Nov 15 2013 10:56 AM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: seawolf17 wrote: Word is that Eccleston is NOT involved. Read that a little while back. He said he wasn't interested, IIRC. Yeah, but there's been a lot of fibbing and misdirection going on from the Doctor Who production team and actors, so who knows at this point. Exactly. I expect a surprise and I can think of none better.

Zvon Nov 18 2013 07:28 PM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: Mets – Willets Point wrote: seawolf17 wrote: Word is that Eccleston is NOT involved. Read that a little while back. He said he wasn't interested, IIRC. Yeah, but there's been a lot of fibbing and misdirection going on from the Doctor Who production team and actors, so who knows at this point. Exactly. I expect a surprise and I can think of none better. I'll even go as far as to say that by the end of the 50th special I bet this new guy is not yet The Doctor. I want The Warrior to turn into Ecc's Doctor and then do another season with him. Then this new guy can take over next season. Another one off for Eccleston! Don't mind me, just watched the Doctors Revisited 9th Doctor special. I forgot how much I liked him. Watching this new special now and that bit about Tom Baker working on a construction site while he got the role for Who, and how he kept the job while keeping the secret was kool. They used to tease him at work because he would say he was an actor (he was not doing well as an actor). And he went back the day after it was front page news and bought them all drinks. Kool story. I never knew that.

seawolf17 Nov 22 2013 11:23 AM Re: Dr Who

I love using my powers for dorkiness. http://instagram.com/p/hBqQROidvB/

Ceetar Nov 22 2013 11:34 AM Re: Dr Who

seawolf17 wrote: I love using my powers for dorkiness. http://instagram.com/p/hBqQROidvB/ Bad Wolf.

Ceetar Nov 22 2013 10:27 PM Re: Dr Who

check out today's Google home page.

Zvon Nov 22 2013 11:23 PM Re: Dr Who

That's way kool. Can't save or link it tho (just the image). I wanted to post it here. Googholes! They had this special on tonight (BBC-A) about the first doctor William Hartnell. I figured it would be a doc type of thing with re-enacted scenes but it was a proper movie, and a very good one, I thought. I doubt things went down exactly as portrayed but the dialog was very real and great acting by all. I dare say a non-Who fan might just consider this a very good movie as well. The guy who played Hartnell also played the big bad nasty nemisis in the Dinosaurs On A Spaceship ep. He was excellent. Seriously, by the end I felt it was Hartnell playing himself, and when they inserted actual Hartnell footage from the show, you could not tell the difference. Lotsa stuff on all week Whowise. I recommend this one. It was called An Adventure In Time And Space. oooo, the new Who is on tomorrow afternoon. WOOT!

Ceetar Nov 23 2013 09:46 AM Re: Dr Who

Google Maps @googlemaps You all know WHO is back, but will he #SaveTheDay? goo.gl/maps/HAac0 #DayOfTheDoctor #StreetView pic.twitter.com/UsOQgPUWn0

Zvon Nov 23 2013 11:21 AM Re: Dr Who

Ceetar wrote: Google Maps @googlemaps You all know WHO is back, but will he #SaveTheDay? goo.gl/maps/HAac0 #DayOfTheDoctor #StreetView pic.twitter.com/UsOQgPUWn0 I can't figure out what this is a link to, if its a link. But I'm an idiot. I didn't even realize til just now that if you click on that Doctor animation on Google Web and then choose a Doctor, you then play a game with that Doctor. Pretty fkn kool. pumped.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 23 2013 12:15 PM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: That's way kool. Can't save or link it tho (just the image). I wanted to post it here. Googholes! Today's your lucky day, because this is the first time I ever read this thread. (Not a Who viewer)

Mets – Willets Point Nov 23 2013 12:44 PM Re: Dr Who

OMG! OMG!OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG!OMG! OMG! It's almost time!

Mets – Willets Point Nov 23 2013 02:23 PM Re: Dr Who

Good episode. Nice tributes to the history of the show. Great plot twists. A handful of surprises. I think the only people who will be disappointed are the diehard Rose/Ten shippers.

Zvon Nov 23 2013 05:47 PM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Good episode. Nice tributes to the history of the show. Great plot twists. A handful of surprises. I think the only people who will be disappointed are the diehard Rose/Ten shippers. Yea, didn't expect a Rose not to be a Rose. That was kool. The Post was nice enough to ruin the (oh, in case i shouldnt say it) ...one of the surprises. Fkn postholes. That pissed me off. But it was not essential to the story, just one of those cherry toppings. This ep really fills in the story of the fall and also turns it on end. I did not expect that at all, the turning on end. Excellent. And one of the things I a predicted came to be true, tho I was just throwin crap at the wall. We almost saw who The War Doctor turned into. Had to be Ecc, right? WHY DIDNT THEY FINISH SHOWING THAT! Whoholes. ;) It was great and as usual, entertaining on a few levels. Satisfying, educating in terms of lore, I guess the biggest possible twist in the history of time which has opened up more questions. Great lines, great performances. Who at it's best. Loved it. Watching it again as I type.

SteveJRogers Nov 23 2013 07:51 PM Re: Dr Who

Zvon wrote: Had to be Ecc, right? WHY DIDNT THEY FINISH SHOWING THAT! Whoholes. ;) Put it in baseball terms, Ecc to Doctor Who is what Yogi Berra was to YSII from his firing in '84 through Joe DiMaggio's passing!

Mets – Willets Point Nov 24 2013 01:59 AM Re: Dr Who

Check out The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01m3kfy

Mets – Willets Point Nov 24 2013 11:41 AM Re: Dr Who

This was the best 2-second appearance of an actor's angry eyes in television history.

Zvon Nov 24 2013 01:49 PM Re: Dr Who

Since the reboot, IIRC the Tardis changed when the Doctor changed. Then there was the X-mas ep where Clara walked in and it was changed. I didn't make much of it at that time cause I figured Smith was gonna be with us for a while. But his, I guess we'll call it up-coming regeneration, makes me wonder. During the 50th, when they did the lil tribute to the original Tardis interior (which was kool & funny) and then switched to the current one...was that when it first turned into that design? Or was he turning it back? When and why did the 11th interior change? From what the curator said I think in the future we are going to see a few of the former doctors, either through Clara ( through the doctors time-line from "Name ot D") or some other means. If they do that I hope they get actors to play em like in that special about Hartnell and don't go CGI. Some things I've picked up since the 50th: I didn't catch this first time. Of course someone did. What she's writing. Supposedly this is the fourths scarf> Look, we see his eyes change, and then they cut away. Now that they cut it there it looks like he turned into Colin Quinn.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 24 2013 02:56 PM Re: Dr Who

Colin Quinn, the previously unknown Brooklyn Doctor.

Zvon Nov 24 2013 04:38 PM Re: Dr Who

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Colin Quinn, the previously unknown Brooklyn Doctor. Actually that would be pretty kool.

Ceetar Nov 25 2013 09:53 PM Re: Dr Who

finally got a moment to watch it. really enjoyed that. Every time I watch these things it reminds me that I would like to go back and watch some of the old stuff, I just never get around to it. Plenty of touching stuff though, and loved the Time Lord Art. Is Tennant in the christmas special too? Didn't they imply they were sending him to Trenzalore? I assume that was just a sneaky way to rewrite the Doctor's "end". Also, 13 TARDIS. No River Song or Amy Pond though. boo.

Zvon Nov 25 2013 11:04 PM Re: Dr Who

Ceetar wrote: finally got a moment to watch it. really enjoyed that. Every time I watch these things it reminds me that I would like to go back and watch some of the old stuff, I just never get around to it. Plenty of touching stuff though, and loved the Time Lord Art. Is Tennant in the christmas special too? Didn't they imply they were sending him to Trenzalore? I assume that was just a sneaky way to rewrite the Doctor's "end". Also, 13 TARDIS. No River Song or Amy Pond though. boo. The Time Lord Art was very kool. I doubt Tennant will be. I'm not sure but I think that sounded like River on the tiny preview, saying Trenzalore. Could be an old voice clip tho (she has said it), or someone else. I only heard it the once. I'll listen again. I don't care how long they string out Smiths departure. I'm glad we get a little more of his Doctor. Gonna miss this one.

RealityChuck Nov 26 2013 10:22 AM Re: Dr Who

Got to see it last night. Certainly an excellent episode, but not exactly "game changing," since a lot was erased. But I did love the references and the appearance of Tom Baker. BTW, Peter Davison put together a hilarious short subject about his effort (with Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy) to appear on the 50th Anniversary show: The Five(ish) Doctors. Lots of fun cameos, too.

Zvon Nov 26 2013 02:00 PM Re: Dr Who

That was excellent. The more I see of Sylvester McCoy in the revisited specials and stuff like this the more I want to see more of his Who eps. And I think I heard somewhere that he's in "The Hobbitt". ;)

Zvon Dec 26 2013 04:00 PM Re: Dr Who

No real spoilers but still see the Christmas ep b4 reading: I can't even express how disappointed I was in the Christmas Show. All Smith episodes have been fulfilling in one way or another. Except this one. There was no emotional connection to what was going on. The events were too watered down over time. A few chuckles in the beginning (which made me think that there would be lots of tears at the end- there weren't) and the one scene where Amy (she looked mahhhhhhhhhhhhrvelous) says goodbye were the only things that touched me emotionally. Matt was great. Clara was too. All the performances were. The whole concept of him staying on at Christmas to protect the town was kool. Some elements of the story were very kool. But wrap it up with all the other elements into a Christmas gift and I feel like a boy who just opened his gift and found out it was clothing. I had np with the few seconds the new Doc was on the screen. I read many people did. Whats up with that? Are they surprised? lol. We all knew he was older. As far as his performance goes, who knows. He was on for less than a minute (seemed). I did notice that it didn't look like a full regeneration scene. Instead of the usual flames shooting out of his sleeves and neck there was just a FLASH and he changed. There is something to that, dunno what tho. That and the fact he can't fly the Tardis anymore. I am very surprised about the Christmas special because I thought there was no way they could not deliver a fantastic ending to Smiths run. And yet they were able to pull that off (imo), no small trick. Maybe upon reviewing I will feel different, but for now I feel very unfulfilled, and if Smith never appears as the Doctor again, pretty bummed out with what they did with the last chapter of his story.

seawolf17 Dec 26 2013 06:19 PM Re: Dr Who

The whole thing felt like a "Smith's Greatest Hits" episode. The goofy naked scene, pushing Clara away but coming back over and over, being all morose about his pending doom. I'm sure they wanted to wrap up as many loose ends as they could, but it felt rushed to me. I am really intrigued by Thirteen, though. You get the sense that he's going to be much more churlish than either of the last two, which should be interesting.

Ceetar Dec 26 2013 08:48 PM Re: Dr Who

seawolf17 wrote: The whole thing felt like a "Smith's Greatest Hits" episode. The goofy naked scene, pushing Clara away but coming back over and over, being all morose about his pending doom. I'm sure they wanted to wrap up as many loose ends as they could, but it felt rushed to me. yeah, the Clara keep coming back thing was fitting since that's always what she does. even if she dies, which I kept waiting for once they showed the Dalek bits in the head stuff. I suspect(ed)? when the Doctor was talking about fighting the Dalek nature as they were getting into the teleporter, it was to Clara not to the Mother, who seemed to have a little bit of River in her perhaps? with the Doctor kissing her out of nowhere and her being able to fly the TARDIS? The new doctor not being able to work the controls is a running joke isn't it? Smith parked it sideways at Amy's the first time after all. but yeah, there was a bit of that big christmas present but it's clothes thing. The Silence Will Fall was a huge letdown. "Oh, they're just confession priests". Lame. Building them up as this super big baddy (which of course they still can be) only it really to be mostly a part of the big plot to get the Doctor to Trenzalore.

Vic Sage Dec 27 2013 08:34 AM Re: Dr Who

i don't know; i liked it. It answered some questions (the crack, the timelords, the silence); it allowed a doctor to die of old age (when has that ever happened?); it allowed for a touching goodbye after one last ass-kicking for the Daleks. Disappointment is in the eye of the beholder.

Zvon Dec 27 2013 02:19 PM Re: Dr Who

Vic Sage wrote: i don't know; i liked it. It answered some questions (the crack, the timelords, the silence); it allowed a doctor to die of old age (when has that ever happened?); it allowed for a touching goodbye after one last ass-kicking for the Daleks. Disappointment is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps that's why the regeneration flash was a small one. I really really did like how he lived to a ripe old age, but that almost made the ending a happy one, ya know what I mean? And if they were going for a happy ending they fell short there too, imo. It was like right up the middle between happy and sad and there was no impact. They would have done well to have made this a two parter. They tried to squeeze too much peripheral stuff in. The narration bit did nothing but distance me further, emotionally, from Smiths departure. Ceetar wrote: I suspect(ed)? when the Doctor was talking about fighting the Dalek nature as they were getting into the teleporter, it was to Clara not to the Mother, who seemed to have a little bit of River in her perhaps? with the Doctor kissing her out of nowhere and her being able to fly the TARDIS? It seemed to me that the Mother and the Doctor had done the nasty in the pasty. Maybe when you get down with the Doc a side effect is that the Tardis then loves you, and you can fly her.

Mets – Willets Point Jan 27 2014 01:30 PM Re: Dr Who

The 12th Doctor's outfit revealed. Strikes me as a more restrained version of Jon Pertwee's outfit.

Mets – Willets Point Jan 27 2014 02:29 PM Re: Dr Who

Better comparison, hand gestures and all.

Vic Sage Jan 27 2014 02:32 PM Re: Dr Who

he could play DR. STRANGE... that looks like a Ditko pose.

Zvon Jan 27 2014 02:52 PM Re: Dr Who

According to....whatdoyacallit?..legend? Nah, according to what I've learned about Doctors the new one (the actual actor) is allowed to pick his new look. Smith went on record saying he wanted to be more like Patrick Troughton with a touch of a few of the others. If Capaldi is mainly basing his Doc on Pertwee's that isn't a bad thing at all. The new get up is alright.

Zvon Feb 07 2014 01:58 PM Re: Dr Who

From 2011. Got a big kick out of this. Price's best performance ever? Debatable. This is long, almost 20 minutes. Worth it. [youtube:1pu8yi0g]Do-wDPoC6GM[/youtube:1pu8yi0g]