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El Segundo Escupidor Jul 19 2012 10:05 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jul 24 2012 11:01 AM

A fitting finale to the greatest superhero franchise and vastly superior to both its predecessors. If this film proves anything, it's that a great superhero film should be more than good guy fights bad guy. Sorry Marvelites, but this is the new gold standard of comic book movies. It was everything the Dark Knight was, but on a grander scale. The story is driven by the plot-equivalent of Dr Evil's unnecessarily slow-moving dipping mechanism, but after all this is a comic book film and any suggestion to the contrary is unfounded. Truth be said, I wasn't blown away by any individual aspect of this film, and I accept that the Avengers may have been the more entertaining movie, but that would be a bit like saying WWE is more entertaining than Mefistofele. Some may say that I shouldn't be looking for "substance" in such films. To those I retort: "Sod-off and write your own review". What impressed me was that it wasn't a sequel in name only, and everything felt closely tied with the preceding films, completing the circle, so to speak. On a final note, it is somewhat unfortunate the franchise will be rebooted after this, as some other members of Batman's rogues gallery may have benefited from the more seriously-toned approch. I was especially looking forward to Batman locking horns with the villain known as RUSH, the loopy right-wing shock jock who bores innocent civilians to death with incredulous stories of liberal conspiracies. Poll forthcoming.

TransMonk Jul 19 2012 10:22 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

I'm actually looking forward to this one...but I'll wait a few weeks to let the hype die before seeing it. I loved The Dark Knight and the few reviews I've seen of this one say that it's better than TDK.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 19 2012 10:30 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

Gonna rewatch Batman Begins tonight, and Dark Knight tomorrow and probably see Rises over the weekend. Begins didn't do much for me the first time around, but I really liked the second movie a lot, so I'm looking forward to giving it another shot.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 19 2012 10:39 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

Holmes bits aside, Begins wears a rewatching quite well. Neeson was a great casting choice for the mentor-gone-inverted. Having a free morning tomorrow after dropping YoungerPooper at day care, and taking note of the numerous morning showings of TDKR in my area, I may just beat the crowds.

El Segundo Escupidor Jul 19 2012 10:51 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

Not spoiling anything, but Begins is more relevant to its plot than The Dark Knight. Also recommend you watch in IMAX if possible.

Edgy MD Jul 19 2012 03:00 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

The Second Spitter wrote: On a final note, it is somewhat unfortunate the franchise will be rebooted after this, as some other members of Batman's rogues gallery may have benefited from the more seriously-toned approch. I was especially looking forward to Batman locking horns with the villain known as RUSH, the loopy right-wing shock jock who bores innocent civilians to death with incredulous stories of liberal conspiracies. How about some KGBEAST action?

Benjamin Grimm Jul 20 2012 11:57 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

I split the discussion of the shootings this morning in Colorado into a new thread in the Non Baseball Forum.

Mets – Willets Point Jul 20 2012 12:09 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

I've only seen one Batman movie - it was the one with George Clooney and Ahh-nold - and really it put me off Batman movies for life. I can't even keep up with all the different versions of Batman out there now.

Nymr83 Jul 20 2012 12:50 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I've only seen one Batman movie - it was the one with George Clooney and Ahh-nold - and really it put me off Batman movies for life. I can't even keep up with all the different versions of Batman out there now. dont let that horrible movie turn you off to batman! batman begins and the dark knight were both excellent films, and ik cant wait to see this one too!

Edgy MD Jul 20 2012 01:27 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

Batman Begins kinda really turned me off. I was a fan of what Frank Miller was originally doing with his Batman books, in Dark Knight Returns and Year One. But beyond that, he seemed to turn into his own corrupted disciple and move beyond realistically depicting and confronting the violence to seriously fetishizing it. It seemed the Nolan films were going in that direction and I bailed. Just seems too culturally unhealthy to keep consuming that.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 20 2012 04:49 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

You bailed just before the one that turns any violence-(and civil-liberties-trampling-) fetishizing from the first flick on its head, thanks to the Joker... who for most of the movie sounds like the guy with the most perspective. (Not to mention that brain-searing Heath Ledger performance, some nice work in the margins from Aaron Eckhart and Oldman, and some fantastic set pieces.)

Edgy MD Jul 20 2012 08:24 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

I'm not sure what you mean by "on it's head." I don't want to jump to conclusions about what I haven't seen, but I have to say news that the theater shooter styled himself on the Joker was, well, the least surprising thing in the world.

Frayed Knot Jul 20 2012 08:37 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

I'm done with Batman movies.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 20 2012 10:41 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

I like the 1960s version with Adam West. Oooooh, that Batmobile! I've watched the new ones on DVD and didn't like them all that much. Too violent for my tastes. But my son likes them.

El Segundo Escupidor Jul 21 2012 02:32 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

I never understand why they insist on rebooting. Change actors, fine, I get all that, but do you really have to keep going back to origin stories? Particularly with Batman/Spiderman that even the general public knows well. . There was no "insistence" for a reboot in this case. Nolan/Goyer/Bale don't want to make anymore Batman films, the studio was not confident that it could replicate their results with other directors/producers. The studio wants to create a Batman universe conducive to other DC characters existing in it. Rebooting is more about maintaining freedom of interpretation and not being bound by another directors/producers ideas. Superman Returns is a glowing authority on how trying to produce a sequel to a long-established franchise with different actors/producers quickly turns into a dog's breakfast. The previous Batman franchise is also a testament to this. Also The Incredible Hulk did not contain an origin story when it was rebooted. There are thousands upon thousands of cool comics/stories with these guys Most comic book stories (from mainstream Marvel/DC) have the following plot development: mystery --> red herring --> another red herring --> yet another red herring --> deus ex machina resolution. In other words, very poor drama that translates even worse on the silver screen. And it's kinda ironic that you would advocate interpreting more comic stories to film on the premise of avoiding reboots/origin stories, considering comic books are subject to more reboots and retrospective origin stories than any other form of media. Most of the "thousands of stories" you speak of rely on back-stories and details that only comic book aficionados are privy to or are forgotten by the average movie goer the moment the credits role on the previous film. This is the problem the Star Trek movie franchise endured in the TNG era. The task of simultaneously pleasing casual viewers and hardcore Trekkies became impossible to reconcile. Just go the the Dr Who/James Bond route the story isn't anchored to one actor. Bond received a reboot in 2006. The previous Bond franchise had the same small group of people at the helm for most of its existence. It was literally inherited. The same producers maintained creative control over the Bond character, irrespective of directors and actors. When their influence waned and ideas dried up, it received a reboot. Dr Who is not a film franchise. It was also partially rebooted in 2005

themetfairy Jul 21 2012 05:42 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I like the 1960s version with Adam West. Oooooh, that Batmobile! I'm with ya friend :)

Ceetar Jul 21 2012 07:42 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

The Second Spitter wrote: The task of simultaneously pleasing casual viewers and hardcore Trekkies became impossible to reconcile. difficult? yes. impossible? no. It would certainly take some work, but you could pick a random spiderman story arc and introduce the backstory involved as well, on some basis. You might need to streamline, sure, but you don't need to do the spider bit me! wow! look! i can lift heavy things and hold onto walls! bit every time. And with a little bit of forethought you can introduce some of the backstory in previous movies. (Say you're signing up for 3-4 movies in advance or whatever) The same with Batman. I'm not suggesting they respect the current universe, but the entire Batman universe. You don't have to pretend it's the same storyline, but we don't need to go back to Batman Begins origin stories either. You could start the next movie mid-batmobile chase of the Riddler with Robin on the other end of the phone directing him and no one would really be lost in what's going on. The next Superman movie doesn't need an hour on Krypton, and growing up in Smallville (unless it's a Smallville type movie) You can start with him already knowing Lois Lane and working at the Planet. I want to see less re-development of characters and more ambitious storylines is all. Just go the the Dr Who/James Bond route the story isn't anchored to one actor. Bond received a reboot in 2006. The previous Bond franchise had the same small group of people at the helm for most of its existence. It was literally inherited. The same producers maintained creative control over the Bond character, irrespective of directors and actors. When their influence waned and ideas dried up, it received a reboot. Dr Who is not a film franchise. It was also partially rebooted in 2005 Right, but that's my point with Bond. Sure, Batman doesn't have a small people at the helm, but I'm trying to say to respect some sort of 'creative commons' world where everyone knows who Batman, Superman, etc. Do we really need another individuals interpretation of what those characters are? Wasn't some of the critique of Spider-Man in the other thread (I haven't seen it yet) that Peter Parker wasn't a nerdy enough social-misfit? Dr. Who obviously is different but it's fresh in my mind. Plus one season isn't that much longer in run time than a 3-4 movie arc. But they manage to pick a new Doctor and/or a companion and just go with it. People complain, sure, but they still do doctor and companion stuff and they get over it and keep watching. I'm curious how the new Bourne movie is going to be.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 21 2012 10:00 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review* Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jul 22 2012 10:04 PM

Ceetar wrote: The Second Spitter wrote: The task of simultaneously pleasing casual viewers and hardcore Trekkies became impossible to reconcile. difficult? yes. impossible? no. It would certainly take some work, but you could pick a random spiderman story arc and introduce the backstory involved as well, on some basis. You might need to streamline, sure, but you don't need to do the spider bit me! wow! look! i can lift heavy things and hold onto walls! bit every time. And with a little bit of forethought you can introduce some of the backstory in previous movies. (Say you're signing up for 3-4 movies in advance or whatever) The same with Batman. I'm not suggesting they respect the current universe, but the entire Batman universe. You don't have to pretend it's the same storyline, but we don't need to go back to Batman Begins origin stories either. You could start the next movie mid-batmobile chase of the Riddler with Robin on the other end of the phone directing him and no one would really be lost in what's going on. I'm with you in general on origin retellings-- the new Spider-Man flick feels warmed-over mostly because of its begin-again philosophy-- but Batman's origin is the exception, I'd argue. Like, say, the Biblical Jesus years between birth and 33, there's a lot of room for exploration because of all the space between Crime Alley and "Year One;" Batman writers have mined this area for interesting one-shots and extended story arcs.

El Segundo Escupidor Jul 22 2012 01:35 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ceetar wrote: The task of simultaneously pleasing casual viewers and hardcore Trekkies became impossible to reconcile. difficult? yes. impossible? no. It would certainly take some work, but you could pick a random spiderman story arc and introduce the backstory involved as well, on some basis. You might need to streamline, sure, but you don't need to do the spider bit me! wow! look! i can lift heavy things and hold onto walls! bit every time. And with a little bit of forethought you can introduce some of the backstory in previous movies. (Say you're signing up for 3-4 movies in advance or whatever) My comments were specifically in relation to the Star Trek franchise circa early 2000's. Ceetar wrote: Right, but that's my point with Bond. Sure, Batman doesn't have a small people at the helm, but I'm trying to say to respect some sort of 'creative commons' world where everyone knows who Batman, Superman, etc. Do we really need another individuals interpretation of what those characters are? Wasn't some of the critique of Spider-Man in the other thread (I haven't seen it yet) that Peter Parker wasn't a nerdy enough social-misfit? It's less a question of what we want but rather a question of a new director's willingness to express his individual tastes. Oh, my sis went to an early screening of the new Bourne movie and said it was shithouse.

Ceetar Jul 22 2012 09:29 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

The Second Spitter wrote: Oh, my sis went to an early screening of the new Bourne movie and said it was shithouse. boo. but then, the books aren't as good as the originals either (not that the two stories are related in anything but name and origin)

Nymr83 Jul 22 2012 02:45 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

I'm ok with the idea of a Bond reboot after 25 movies, there's nothing wrong with telling a new origin story 50 years later, Rebooting batman and spiderman after 3 movies seems excessive and lame though. They could have told a "Lizard" story without a reboot and they can keep telling more Batman stories without showing us how his parents died again and re-introducing Alfred, Gordon, etc.

Vic Sage Jul 24 2012 08:27 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review* Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 24 2012 08:35 AM

A beautiful, epic, melancholy movie. Overlong perhaps, but I didn't mind. While the story stands on its own, it is primarily derived and motivated by the 2 films that precede it, so a fuller understanding and appreciation of it requires viewing of the first 2. * The film rewrites Bane into an interesting character, which is a minor miracle in and of itself. * Hathaway totally nails catwoman's "whore with a heart of gold" cliched core and makes her endearing, smart, tough, and believably amoral. * Christian Bale is the total package as bruce wayne AND Batman -- driven, maybe just this side of nuts, but a man of principle ("fetishizing violence"? please.); he's a man who puts on a suit of armor, not a suit of armor with a man inside. * Michael Caine, Gary Oldman and Morgan Freeman give their usual stolid support. * It sets the scene for Robin really nicely, for any subsequent films -- a reboot could still start right there. * I didn't care for Marion Cotillard, or the plot twist she is asked to play; it felt forced and imposed on the narrative. But the big reveal did cause an audible gasp and sense of satisfaction in the story getting back to to its comic book roots, so i didn't really mind. Best of all, the central metaphor of the film, that the dark knight "rises", is a repeated motif depicted with poetic grace. *** SPOILERS *** Rising from his self-imposed retirement and disgrace, rising in the new "bat" copter, rising, after being battered and literally and metaphorically broken by Bane, from a literal hole in the Earth, inspiring the people of Gotham to rise and oppose Bane, rising in the "Bat" to fly the bomb out over the bay *** SPOILERS END *** its all done with a sad beauty that feels unexpected but inevitable, as only the best kind of storytelling can. i give it ****, putting it on par with the first 2, and making this trilogy the absolute definitive movie adaptation of this character, nobody else need apply.

Edgy MD Jul 24 2012 08:32 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

Vic Sage wrote: ("fetishizing violence"? please.); he's a man who puts on a suit of armor, not a suit of armor with a man inside. I'm not sure what you mean there, but I certainly wasn't speaking of Batman the character, but rather Batman, the franchise, in the wake of Frank Miller.

Vic Sage Jul 24 2012 08:39 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

i thought you were describing the Nolan films, too, and i am rejecting that characterization. If you weren't, then you weren't.

Edgy MD Jul 24 2012 08:52 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

Well, yes, I am, but the films --- or at least first film, the only one I've seen --- not specifically the character. (I've certainly absorbed plenty from the trailers for the subsequent films.) The Schumacher films, well, they fetishize everything.

Vic Sage Jul 24 2012 10:55 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

well, when you put nipples on the rubber bat suits, you know there are other issues being worked out.

El Segundo Escupidor Jul 24 2012 10:57 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) *no spoilers review*

Poll's up, ladies. Spoilers ahoy!

Benjamin Grimm Jul 24 2012 11:45 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012)

I gave it four out of five. In the first two movies, I was able to tell (from a few shots) that Chicago was playing the part of Gotham City, but in this movie it was very obviously New York. I was surprised that they allowed such recognizable New York landmarks like the Chrysler Building, the Empire State Building, the Brooklyn Bridge, etc. to be seen on screen. (It was kind of like the 1970's Superman movie, where Metropolis had the Statue of Liberty and the New York skyline.) Weird that they did this. (They also added some bridges across the Hudson River from downtown [crossout:3tfmz9jz]Manhattan[/crossout:3tfmz9jz] Gotham.) And why was Bane doing a weak Sean Connery imitation throughout the film?

Vic Sage Jul 24 2012 11:56 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 25 2012 09:05 AM

Bane was played by Tom Hardy, an English actor, so he comes by the accent honestly. But I think his accent is no more nor less shocking than Liam Neeson's as Rhas Al Ghul. It's a classic Hollywood trope to have the most vicious villains speaking in a cultured, urbane, often [crossout:35zl8e63]English[/crossout:35zl8e63] European accent.

Edgy MD Jul 24 2012 12:41 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012)

Neeson's an Irish dude with an Irish accent.

Vic Sage Jul 24 2012 01:01 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012)

But Rhas Al Ghul isn't Irish. And the Russian sub commander played by Sean Connery wasn't Scottish. It's all good, if the actor is good. There was no particular reason Bane had to be any particular nationality.

Ceetar Jul 29 2012 05:51 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012)

really enjoyed it. And reboot or not, they certainly seemed to hint that there could be more if they wanted to. or a spin off of sorts. One or two minor things they'd have to clear up, but it could be fun still. Enjoyed Hathaway as Cat Woman, think the character was well played. Joseph Gordon-Levitt had a nice part too as Blake, I like him as an actor. Probably should've realized the 'twist' at the end, but whatever. some nice aerials of Manhattan, which I always enjoy. Saw previews for Bourne, Man of Steel and Skyfire, all of which I want to see. oh, and the Hobbit of course. ****spoilers of sort below***** * I didn't care for Marion Cotillard, or the plot twist she is asked to play; it felt forced and imposed on the narrative. But the big reveal did cause an audible gasp and sense of satisfaction in the story getting back to to its comic book roots, so i didn't really mind. She may or may not just a projection of Blake's mind anyway. Oh wait, mixing movies there. That's actually the plot twist I saw coming a mile away. Especially after they did away with Daggard as the human villain. But the entire story was very well done and powerful and all that. Long but definitely didn't drag at all. Although I felt like Catwoman disappeared for too long between betraying Batman and while the city was going rogue. And I kept wondering where Alfred was the whole time, though I didn't actually expect him to be part of the resistance or anything.

SteveJRogers Jul 29 2012 07:07 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Weird that they did this. (They also added some bridges across the Hudson River from downtown [crossout]Manhattan[/crossout] Gotham.) That was actually Pittsburgh.

El Segundo Escupidor Jul 30 2012 12:10 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012)

Ceetar wrote: Joseph Gordon-Levitt had a nice part too as Blake, I like him as an actor. Probably should've realized the 'twist' at the end, but whatever. We all have Christian Bale to thank for Blake not being the character he should have been and we all wanted him to be. -- (not sure if this is common knowledge or not, and I really don't care at this point) Ceetar wrote: Saw previews for Bourne, Man of Steel and Skyfire, all of which I want to see. oh, and the Hobbit of course. The general reaction to the screening of the first cut is that it has "bomba" written all over it. Who knows, it may be salvageable. Ceetar wrote: But the entire story was very well done and powerful and all that. Long but definitely didn't drag at all. Although I felt like Catwoman disappeared for too long between betraying Batman and while the city was going rogue. And I kept wondering where Alfred was the whole time, though I didn't actually expect him to be part of the resistance or anything. It was heavily implied Alfred left the city before hand. As for Catwoman's disapperance, hiding from the new order which she clearly did not want to be part of? Or coping with guilt? Up until that point she was never directly responsible for any person's death.

Ceetar Jul 30 2012 05:27 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012)

The Second Spitter wrote: Ceetar wrote: Saw previews for Bourne, Man of Steel and Skyfire, all of which I want to see. oh, and the Hobbit of course. The general reaction to the screening of the first cut is that it has "bomba" written all over it. Who knows, it may be salvageable. I always feel like the floor for crazy action movies is pretty high. Even if it's not good, you've got crazy car chases and that sorta thing to enjoy. IMDB implies it's not even a Bourne movie though, which sorta ruins the whole story imo. Not that the story every really mattered in this franchise, but they're definitely misleading us via the trailers.

Vic Sage Jul 30 2012 09:41 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012)

IMDB implies it's not even a Bourne movie though, which sorta ruins the whole story imo. Not that the story every really mattered in this franchise, but they're definitely misleading us via the trailers. i'm not sure what you mean that "its implied it's not even a Bourne move". The trailer makes no secret of the fact that it's not about Jason Bourne, and is not the least misleading that it is. The trailer depicts Jeremy Renner's character as an assassin, created by the same program that created Bourne, going on the run, and its an action/spy thriller with a romantic angle, just as the Bourne movies are, with many of the same supporting characters and actors, written by Tony Gilroy, the guy who co-wrote all the other Bourne movies, and this time directed by him, too (he directed MICHAEL CLAYTON, which i think is a good thing). Might it be a bomb anyway? Sure. But i''m willing to give it a try, based on Renner and Gilroy.

Ceetar Jul 30 2012 10:14 AM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012)

I'd assumed until I looked it up that they simply replaced the actor. I don't do a lot of reading up on movies I know I want to see, I'd rather just wait and see the movie itself. It's why I hadn't watched the Man of Steel trailer yet. "Bourne is in Manhattan! I repeat, Jason Bourne has been spotted in Manhattan!" certainly didn't help that presumption. But the most recent book pits Bourne against another former Treadstone member, so my perception of the Bourne universe is very muddled and the preview hit on certain keypoints. And I know the movies have really nothing to do with the books, but it's hard to separate the two in my head sometimes. I don't even think the last book was called Legacy, I think that was the fourth one which despite not being nearly as good as the Ludlum books, was enjoyable and touched on some delicate parts of David Webb's (pre-Bourne) memory.

Nymr83 Dec 14 2012 05:06 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012)

Finally saw this and it was worth the wait. Just a hair short of the last film (Bain wasn't as good as Joker and that was the difference.) I'm really sad to see this darker Batman go, and cringe at the thought of a return to the Batman movies that preceeded the last 3.

TransMonk Dec 14 2012 10:04 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012)

I finally saw this tonight, too. And took the liberty of re-watching the first two films this past week as well. This film was decent. Not nearly on par with TDK, IMO, but as good as the first. Ledger's Joker and Eckhart's Dent/Two Face were tough performances to top.

RealityChuck Jul 03 2013 07:38 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012)

Tedious, slow, boring, routinely plotted, pointlessly sadistic, predictable, and a major disappointment after the first two. Bane was the second least interesting villain in the history of film (only Darth Maul had less personality). 'm actually watching it right now and don't care at all that I'm missing things. God, another fistfight between Bane and Batman. The first was dull; this is even duller. Glad I got this at Redbox for a buck and quarter. That's all it's worth. God! They just did the big "twist." How stupid can they get with this?

Elster88 Jul 16 2013 09:09 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012)

The Second Spitter wrote: Ceetar wrote: Joseph Gordon-Levitt had a nice part too as Blake, I like him as an actor. Probably should've realized the 'twist' at the end, but whatever. We all have Christian Bale to thank for Blake not being the character he should have been and we all wanted him to be. -- (not sure if this is common knowledge or not, and I really don't care What do you mean?

Vic Sage Jul 17 2013 03:12 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012)

yeah, he just sort of dropped that little chestnut on us and rolled away.

dgwphotography Jul 31 2013 02:48 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012)

I believe Spitter was referring to Gordon-Levitt playing Robin. IIRC, Bale said he would never have anything to do with a Batman movie that involved Robin.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2013 02:53 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012)

How long until Bale is happy to take Hallmark Channel fare?

Nymr83 Jul 31 2013 06:44 PM Re: The Dark Ray Knight Rises (2012)

dgwphotography wrote: I believe Spitter was referring to Gordon-Levitt playing Robin. IIRC, Bale said he would never have anything to do with a Batman movie that involved Robin. I think the movie had enough too it already without adding in a Robin storyline. You don't want to get to where Spiderman 3 was with too many characters to deal with.